Kim Possible: High School Graduate

[korovan]

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!






SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!








So, in the recently aired series finale (2.0) of Kim Possible, Kim, Ron, and all their classmates finally graduated from high school (except for Bonnie, who has to take summer-school). Caps, gowns, near destruction of the Earth, the whole nine yards...<p>
EDIT: this clips has absolutely no tickling in it. Sorry for those who thought it did.

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Will the mods and other interested parties now concede that these characters are of legal age and "fair game" for artwork and stores and such?

EDIT: BTW, this is absolutely not a thread about disagreeing with the "No Minors" rule. I agree with that rule. I think that rule is fine and dandy. I just want confirmation that the rule no longer applies to the new graduates in this show.

So, please, Please, PLEASE no threadjacking. No rants about how stupid you think it is to worry about the age of cartoon characters, or fictional people, or whatever. None of that. Start your own thread (and get it deleted) and leave mine alone.

 

[Hiei]

And this has to do with tickling how?

 

[korovan]

And this has to do with tickling how?

As I'm sure you know, there is a "No Minors" rule in effect on the TMF: no photos, artwork, stories, or other media depicting minors (defined as under the age of 18 years) engaged in tickling (or other sexual/fetishistic) activity in any way whatsoever. Good policy.

In the past, Kim Possible and related characters have been declared "off-limits" by the Mods, because their ages have been a bit vague. Most people turn 18 somewhere in their high school senior year (which KP Season 4 depicts) but the Mods still felt this was too ambiguous.

I am wondering if that ambiguity (and the ban which accompanies it) still exists after the depicted graduation ceremony.

Does that clear things up, Hiei?

 

[Hiei]

So you posted the clip to prove that the last episode had them graduating high school?

 

[korovan]

So you posted the clip to prove that the last episode had them graduating high school?

Yes... well, that and the fact that Ron pwning the aliens with Tai-Shing-Pei-Kwar (Mystical Monkey Power) was just awesomely badical...booyah!

 

[Cosmo_ac]

i clicked here expecting tickling related material...but i have to say that was very kick ass! I've only watched the show a bit, but i deffinitly have to say that clip was the highlight of my day. (scary but true.)

 

[cloudgazer2k]

why have people been so desperate to take the character and make tickle0art out of it? it's like how so many people were waiting until the Olsen twins and Hayden Panettiere turned 18 so the guys could drool legally. something about it is just wrong, IMHO.

 

[Red Jester]

A lot of people thought that when Haley Duff turned 18 it was fair game to put her tickle clip up, but it wasn't. Because she was still underage when it was made. Kim Possible is the story about an underage high school girl. She may have graduated in the last episode, but you don't have to be 18 to graduate (I wasn't) and since time generally doesn't apply to cartoons, its safe to assume she's as "old" now as she was in the first episode. Any drawing anyone makes of Kim Possible ever will be of a minor, period.

 

[korovan]

A lot of people thought that when Haley Duff turned 18 it was fair game to put her tickle clip up, but it wasn't. Because she was still underage when it was made. Kim Possible is the story about an underage high school girl. She may have graduated in the last episode, but you don't have to be 18 to graduate (I wasn't) and since time generally doesn't apply to cartoons, its safe to assume she's as "old" now as she was in the first episode. Any drawing anyone makes of Kim Possible ever will be of a minor, period.

Time may not "generally" apply to cartoons... but it does apply to Kim Possible (and some other shows as well). Throughout the course of the show's seasons she/they advances in grade level and pass various milestones like getting drivers' licenses, going through bar-mitzvah (Ron), applying (and being accepted) to colleges, etc,, etc,,, the characters may be animated, but the show has a temporal continuity to it and the characters are treated like real growing people... saying that "they're cartoons and cartoons never age, period" seems a bit on the didactic side, doncha think?<p>
To use a live-action TV show as a counter example: Buffy The Vampire Slayer. I have seen LOTS of BTVS tickle fic up on the TMF, mostly without comment (except of course posiitive/negative reviews based on content). These stories mostly seem take place in the later seasons (Buffy had her 18th birthday in Season 3: "Helpless") or in the indefinite near-future after the show ended. But, by your reasoning, since Buffy and her friends were 15 when the show began then all of them should be verboten forever. See what I mean?<p>
Basically, since Kim (ALMOST certainly: I admit to the ambiguity: that's the reason for this post to begin with.... MODS! HALP!) turned 18 during the show, any fic explicitly set right before/after graduation, or a picture of her in her cap and gown, or whatever, should be OK.<p>
And I relaize this seems like a weird obsession... I don't quite understand it myself ... but then this whole tickle-phile is a bit off the vanilla path, innit?

 

[Rage]

What ever your point is. This belongs more in the Discussion areas of TMF not the tickling media section.

 

[korovan]

What ever your point is. This belongs more in the Discussion areas of TMF not the tickling media section.

You could be right, but I don't think so: the ban in question ("No Minors") applies specifically to various media: photos, videos, artwork, stories... heck, puppet shows and mime troupes for all I know. Hence it's presence here in Artwork: it seemed most apropos as it concerns a drawn character...

 

[Rage]

The media forum is a forum for posting media (art, clips etc) with actual TICKLING in it. Not clips with teenagers fighting aliens. Which brings me to my next point Why is a clip in the artwork section anyways? I understand what you are saying, but regardless this is a tickling discussion. Whether this DISCUSSION (with no tickling related media in it) is about banning, art, or clips it is still a discussion which goes in the DISCUSSION forum. I don't mean to come off as a jerk but really you should consider such things before you start a thread.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Wow, you really, REALLY want to legitimize your (basically sexual) interest in a cartoon character that may or may not have turned 18 at the very end of the show, even though the character is well-known as a high school student/crime fighter. Sorry if I sound critical, but this is a bit too obsessive for me, especially considering the tons of women there are out there, cartoon or otherwise.

And I relaize this seems like a weird obsession... I don't quite understand it myself ... but then this whole tickle-phile is a bit off the vanilla path, innit?

Please don't put tickling and the underage issue in the same category. They have nothing to do with each other.

By the way, I agree with the people who feel this should be in the Discussion section, as the original post has nothing do with tickling. It could also be argued that it also has little to do with "artwork", since the clip is a mainstream cartoon. If it did involve tickling, I think it would go in the Mainstream Clips section, not the Artwork one (though I guess it's potentially debatable).

 

[korovan]

*shrugs* I don't mind at all if a Mod wants to move my thread over to Tickling Discussion, that's fine. It seems to me that it belongs here, but if a Mod disagrees I am completely 5x5 with that.<p>

As far as me being "obsessive"... OK. I won't argue it. I disagree, but oh well. <p>

As far as the "underage issue" having nothing to do with tickling: it certainly does, when there are (entirely appropriate and well-justified) rules governing the depiction of underage characters on The Tickling Media Forum.<p>

If there is a line drawn, with -18(not legal) on one side, and 18+(legal) on the other, then it seems a valid question, if the answer is ambiguous, to nail down where a given character stands... if anyone is interested. And, whether anyone else likes it or not, I am interested. So the question is valid.
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Which brings me back around to the real point of this thread. as much as I like debating with all of you, I'd really like a MOD (someone whose opinion carries official weight around here) to make a ruling that settles the affair, at least for the nonce...

 

[The Last Laugh]

As far as the "underage issue" having nothing to do with tickling: it certainly does, when there are (entirely appropriate and well-justified) rules governing the depiction of underage characters on The Tickling Media Forum.

There are rules about underage tickling because this happens to be a *tickling* fetish forum. If the forum were about something other than tickling, it could still have underage rules. There's no special link between tickling and minors, unlike what you seem to suggest with your comment: "but then this whole tickle-phile is a bit off the vanilla path, innit?" I realize you weren't actually saying that tickling and having a weakness for underage characters are in the same boat, but you did seem to be justifying the underage issue by suggesting that, if tickling is obviously accepted here despite being a "non-vanilla" interest, then other non-vanilla interests should be ok too. Which isn't true at all. They're two totally different things, and one of them isn't tolerated here.

Of course, it's possible that you were referring to your interest in a cartoon character, and not your interest in one whose legal age is debatable. But frankly, I don't care one bit if you're into a cartoon character. It's fine by me. It's the fuzzy age issue that bothers me.

 

[korovan]

Ah, I see. Yes, I was in fact referring to my inexplicable interest in a cartoon character... in RL and in fiction I want nothing to do with minors. That's why I support the "No Minors" rules so solidly. Sorry if I expressed myself badly and led anyone to misunderstand.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Ah, I see. Yes, I was in fact referring to my inexplicable interest in a cartoon character... in RL and in fiction I want nothing to do with minors. That's why I support the "No Minors" rules so solidly. Sorry if I expressed myself badly and led anyone to misunderstand.

Ah, sorry, my mistake. I thought it was a possibility, which is why I mentioned it. Still, as I said, I see no problem with the cartoon thing. It may not be my personal preference, but it doesn't bother me. It's really the age debate that is important to me.

Please understand that I'm not suggesting that you're into underage girls, either cartoon or real. I do appreciate that you understand and approve of the rules. It's just that the age issue is such a touchy one, I don't understand why you're fighting so hard to make sure this specific cartoon character gets accepted as legal. It would be so much easier to concentrate on another character that's not so controversial here. I have to say that I agree with those who argue that just because Kim may have turned 18 at the end of the series, it doesn't change the fact that, generally speaking, when people think of Kim they think of her as a teenager. It's a big part of who the character is: how she manages to fight crime while still being a high school student. Saying that we can get around this by assuming that any Kim Possible pictures, stories, etc., refers to her as she was at the very end of the series is an easy way out, very similar to "aging", a practice that isn't allowed on the forum.

 

[Mackeary]

I'm all for this

I agree with you Korovan, your argument is sound. I also agree that this thread belongs in the discussion section, but that's beside the point. We all come here because of our interest and/or fetish with tickling of various people and/or characters. Speaking for myself, when I write a post about certain taboo, but legal urges that I have, I certainly am not looking to be judged. I wish to be accepted for who I am.
I am one who did wait for the Olsen twins to turn 18 so I could see their legal bodies and I certainly have had fantasies about Kim Possible, envisioning her as a just-turned 18 year old for legality sakes. Is this wrong? Does this make me a sick man? Maybe in some people's opinion, but I know I'm not. Further more, I know what's legal. Morality truly is a personal thing anyway.
So, if the show has provided evidence supporting Kim's mature age, I say let the art fly. Were all adults here, and these are all just supposed to be our dreams and fantasies. If the content is legal, who are any of us to judge a dream.

 

[JFA]

why have people been so desperate to take the character and make tickle0art out of it? it's like how so many people were waiting until the Olsen twins and Hayden Panettiere turned 18 so the guys could drool legally. something about it is just wrong, IMHO.

I agree 100%

 

[johntfs]

I don't understand why you're fighting so hard to make sure this specific cartoon character gets accepted as legal. It would be so much easier to concentrate on another character that's not so controversial here.

Because he likes Kim Possible and wants to do tickleart featuring her. It's that simple. I guess he could do tickle-pics of Estelle Getty and Bea Arthur, but I'm thinking that's not really what he's into.

I have to say that I agree with those who argue that just because Kim may have turned 18 at the end of the series, it doesn't change the fact that, generally speaking, when people think of Kim they think of her as a teenager. It's a big part of who the character is: how she manages to fight crime while still being a high school student

Really? You want that to be the standard? So you'd be okay with me objecting your Sophia and Madria tickle-clips, some of which depict teacher-student tickling? After all, if I fantasize that Sophia is underage, that means the clips have to be removed by your definition. It doesn't matter if Sophia actually is underage, she just has to be thought of that way.

 

[stampstock]

I don't know about you guys, but...

ANYTHING with 'Mystical Monkey Power' in it has me saying "What the ____? NEXT!"

 

[Scinsor]

Oh God, yet another thread that epitomizes why I hate this forum sometimes.

 

[P[a]pi]

Dude, just PM a mod directly.

If you did that then you would get your answer quicker and you wouldn't have to "debate" with other people.

 

[Ace Riley]

I say let him enjoy his obsession, he's got something to legitimize it, and he's not the only one interested in the cartoon chick.

You going to insult someone for getting off to something weird like 'toons now? Let's not be hypocrites.

 

[Ace Riley]

Ah, sorry, my mistake. I thought it was a possibility, which is why I mentioned it. Still, as I said, I see no problem with the cartoon thing. It may not be my personal preference, but it doesn't bother me. It's really the age debate that is important to me.

Please understand that I'm not suggesting that you're into underage girls, either cartoon or real. I do appreciate that you understand and approve of the rules. It's just that the age issue is such a touchy one, I don't understand why you're fighting so hard to make sure this specific cartoon character gets accepted as legal. It would be so much easier to concentrate on another character that's not so controversial here. I have to say that I agree with those who argue that just because Kim may have turned 18 at the end of the series, it doesn't change the fact that, generally speaking, when people think of Kim they think of her as a teenager. It's a big part of who the character is: how she manages to fight crime while still being a high school student. Saying that we can get around this by assuming that any Kim Possible pictures, stories, etc., refers to her as she was at the very end of the series is an easy way out, very similar to "aging", a practice that isn't allowed on the forum.

Aging can be done as long as it's by the author of the work. As done here, hence his cause of justification. Cut the guy some slack, he's probably been flames by jackals on this forum and is being extra protective about it.

Seeing how touchy some of the people on this forum are, I don't blame him int he least. Though he should just go to Tickletheater where the crowd is a little less panic induced about things like this imo.