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Knismolagniac symbol???

If the producers that use clips for sale put a little something up in their stores that should open a few more doors as well

I'm not sure they have the option to do something like that...although some DO have more info. and preveiw pics at the tops of their pages. So, it might be a possibility. There are roughly 700 stores out there with tickling material. Only a fraction of them have any contact info. other than the clips4sale support e-mail. But, even if only those who are actually active in the community did something, it would help. Are you volunteering to contact them?
 
But, would you be able/willing to post something on there asking for people to get involved in creating it? I think that's what we were getting at.
 
But, would you be able/willing to post something on there asking for people to get involved in creating it? I think that's what we were getting at.

How many people have to get involved on creating a symbol for knismolagnia?
The BDSM emblem was created by ONE dude...
Are we gonna ask every tickle fetishist in the world if theyre ok with the design or something?
 
LOL I guess I take that as a no?

I don't think that every single person needs to be involved. But, I personally wouldn't be into using someone else's symbol for myself...unless it actually happened to click for me. The purpose of getting more folks involved in this is to at least attempt to make if more representative of the overall community.

As for the BDSM symbol, I think we've seen the problem with a single individual creating something to be used by all. They want credit, profit, etc., leaving anyone who wants to use it to either pay or change it enough to become their own. I don't think this should be about that kind of stuff. It should be openly available to anyone...whether they use it as is or adjust it to fit them more personally.
 
what!? you mean i'm not gonna get paid for this!? this is an outrage!







not really, so how are we gonna decide what is the right one to use anyway?
how did the bdsm one become the one used now?
 
so how are we gonna decide what is the right one to use anyway?

My proposal was/is as follows...

Maybe give it until mid-April or something like that for folks to come up with more ideas and submit them. Then, procede as with the GFA nominations and voting. Make ALL of the submitted symbols available, let folks nominate those that they like best and take the top ten to a final vote.

Whether that's what ends up happening or not remains to be seen.
 
I don't think (hope!) that problem will happend here. The "winner" should be nice enough to let us use it as we want 🙂

I know I will make a print with the symbol for clothes on my personal spreadshirt, but if others want it as well I will not set the price so I earn on sales. I will only put the price the same as the cost to make it. 🙂


Really looking forward to see what it will be.
Im still for the Neuron Tree :numberone:
 
I don't think (hope!) that problem will happend here. The "winner" should be nice enough to let us use it as we want 🙂

I know I will make a print with the symbol for clothes on my personal spreadshirt, but if others want it as well I will not set the price so I earn on sales. I will only put the price the same as the cost to make it. 🙂


Really looking forward to see what it will be.
Im still for the Neuron Tree :numberone:

I would hope for the same. If we make that clear up front, anyone who would attempt to claim otherwise wouldn't be able to support it legally. I think a few folks will make use of it in raising funds, whether personally or for the community. That's all cool.

I'm kinda partial to the neuron tree idea as well. 🙂
 
here are sum i have cum up with

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I like that rope idea very much andf before it's even said it is NOT that obvious in my opinion neither are feathers or am I to think anyone who has plumes in a vase as a decoration or a feather in a hat and I guess indians were into tickling lol
 
but...

I like that rope idea very much andf before it's even said it is NOT that obvious in my opinion neither are feathers or am I to think anyone who has plumes in a vase as a decoration or a feather in a hat and I guess indians were into tickling lol

They are very cool but...we ran into this 20 pages ago, it doesnt represent the side of the community that just play tickles without bondage or tools

it is very creative though, i like it (not as much as the tree) but i wanted to play Devils Advocate on this one
 
Okay, I wasn't going to post this here as I really don't want to come across as negative or risk upsetting anyone but TklDuo-Ann saw it over on the tickle brits forums and asked me to consider putting it up as some of the questions raised were in her mind as well. So for what it's worth:

I've been giving this a lot of thought over the last couple of weeks and think I've figured out why, for me personally, this idea doesn't work. In fact it's a quote from Ann's site that let me verbalise it finally:

So, what does tickling mean to us? Who do we see ourselves to be as a community? Do we even feel that there is a community rather than just a bunch of individuals grabbing goodies off the net? Do we feel a part of that community or alienated from it? Do we even care? The answer to this will be somewhat different for every person who responds. That is as it should be. After all, we're all unique. But, that doesn't mean that we can't agree on an image that represents what we have in common...a love of tickling.

Here's my view, expressed as best I can. The tickling community is a very large one, and far more diverse in some ways than, say, the BDSM community. Sure, the BDSM community goes off into a vast number of subjects but it all comes back to one central concept that can be fairly easily expressed. Tickling, on the other hand, has that 'love of tickling' as Ann so elequently phrased it but for me that's a very... vague concept. The concept itself means so many different things to so many people that I can't conceive of coming up with a set of core values that a symbol can represent that will be acceptable to the whole community. The only way I can see it working at all is if the symbol is so abstract that there's no way of discerning the meaning without being told what it is outright. That to me just doesn't feel right. If I can't look at something, after being told it's the symbol for tickling, and work out WHY that's the case.

Let me clarify that a little. I wouldn't guess the BDSM symbol meaning if I was just looking at it. But I COULD ascribe some meaning to it (the design itself seems to lend itself to bondage, the holes can look like points for restraints etc). When I look at what's being suggested as front runners for the tickling symbol I just don't get that feeling. Take the 'tree' design as it seems to be the most popular. If someone gave me that image and said it's the tickling symbol I can't find anything there to relate to. Even after reading the explanation it still comes off as contrived to me, something where an idea has given way to a design and then people have nodded and said that works rather than it being a genuine organic growth from the core subject.

Now, I do not for one moment want to suggest that this is a failing on the part of anyone who's designed these symbols thus far. On the contrary I'm staggered and impressed by the effort made by all concerened and its a delight to see our community putting so much energy into one project. It's just that I fear the subject itself is too diverse to be captured naturally in a symbol. How on earth do you incorporate ticklers, tickless, switches, bondage, play fights, sexual attraction, power exchange, domination, submission, fun, support, caring and trust into a symbol that works for ALL of those categories without making it so abstract it has no intrinsic connection to the subject matter?

I was reluctant to post this here as I have no wish to interupt the flow and genuinely hope that a suitable symbol is found. But I fear that such a thing will only be realised by focusing on one aspect or view of the tickling fetish which would be a great shame. In an attempt to contribute something positive to the discussion, the only solution I can think of off the top of my head would be some form of 'modular' design. Maybe it's easier to illustrate this with an example:

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The ring represents the community (and there's a broken link to show we can always add more links.... corny I know)

The three symbols are (I think) Happiness, Friendship and Courage

The bottom section is 'modular' with a selection of say a half dozen designs representing the different aspects of the community or it can be customised as the wearer wishes. So the above is the template if you like, this one would be personalised:

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In this case I've hammered out an extremely crappy looking design for the love that tickling has brought into my life.

This really isn't a serious attempt at coming up with a suitable symbol, just an idea to try and illustrate the point a little. I'm sure that if it has any merit someone with actual artistic talent can do something FAR better. Still, I'd like to think that if you said 'it's the tickling symbol' to someone in the fetish they could at the very least put a meaning on the outer ring (even if it's not the 'right' one). For smaller designs you'd shrink it down and pick one of the four symbols to go in the centre of the ring according to your preference.

Anyway, that's my two pence worth, no idea what the response will be although I'll say once more I have no wish, desire or intention to try and criticise the work of anyone here, I think I've just proved that'd be very stupid of me considering my own lack of ability in this area. Of course, if I was being a cheeky bastard, I'd point out that actually Knismolagnia does, in fact, focus on only one aspect of the tickling community, namely: Sexual arousal and erotic gratification derived from tickling or being tickled. If you don't necessarily get turned on but enjoy, say, the power rush or the fun of a good laugh instead then technically a symbol denoting Knismolagnia doesn't apply to you anyway 😀
 
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Thanks so much for not only posting it here, but also adding to it. :twohugs

The reason I thought it important to do so is that, the more ideas and feedback we get, the better end result we're likely to get. There's no way we're going to ever have 100% agreement. That's just the nature of a community this large. But, it won't be for lack of asking for input and seeing what others come up with.
 
wow....good points, and its good to know that everyone on other sites are in fact discussing this as well
 
wow....good points, and its good to know that everyone on other sites are in fact discussing this as well

Umm, on the last bit.... oh this is going to annoy people I just know it... there's a slight problem with that.

How can I put this... I think it might have been introduced to other forums a little too early and without a clear enough view on what this symbol was supposed to be. I know when you look at the thread over on Tickle Brits (pimp pimp pimp) there's a lot of confusion going on about WHY this was being done. Actually, it's a more condensed version of some of the conversations in this thread thinking about it. The biggest confusion comes from a universal symbol that can be modified to meet individual tastes.... that takes some effort to wrap the ol' melon around. Closely following that was the desire to steer clear of items such as feathers that aren't to everyones tastes but, almost by definition, that leaves you with abstract designs that don't have any particular relevance... no wait, wrong word... don't have any immediate relation to the subject mater.

If I may offer an observation from a third party viewpoint this is a very tricky subject to bring up and discuss as it is incredibly easy to come across as pretentious. No, that's not a knock against anyone here, there or anywhere it's just a fact of life when you're trying to discuss introducing a symbol to represent a concept rather than a physical object. As such any approaches need to be VERY clear on the specific goals of the project, what the objective(s) are, what the most common questions and answers are etc. If that doesn't happen it can lead to confusion and the sense of a.... for lack of a better phrase an us versus them mentality. Again, not saying that it SHOULDN'T be raised, just that it needs to be done carefully and with a great deal of forethought to get the point across clearly and, hopefully, concisely. Certainly I think that the discussion on the Tickle Brits site (goooooooooo google rankings!) resulted in a lot of bruised feelings and a general "if you don't get it then we're not going to explain it, just go away and play in the mud" sort of vibe which is unfortunate but I do think it damaged, possibly severely, the chances of a lot of people getting further involved in this project.
 
how did the bdsm one become the one used now?

The BDSM one was NOT a community project to find a symbol. Different factions already had them - like the gay leather having ways of putting keys and handkerchiefs.

The BDSM symbol started out as being specific to one organisation, and was adopted over many years naturally.
 
I like BOFH's idea of having a symbol that at once is uniform AND personal. And of course you can just use your personal symbol inside the chain for smaller designs. I'm not so sure about the use of the oriental characters though. I can't think of anything better, except perhaps handcuffs overlaying each other, some sort of symbol to indicate respect and perhaps one other I can't think of.
 
Not sure if someone's said this already - Wikipedia relies on links and search rankings just as much as any other site does. People are more likely to find UKTF, TT or TMF rather than a wiki article if they search 'tickling' or anything like that.

There is no point creating a page for it until there is a recognised symbol. And by recognised I mean widely used, and after research to say which countries it's used in etc.
 
so i just read the UKTF thread for this and noticed that it will be rather difficult to encourage large amounts of inspiration from that side of the pond.

Not because they are negative or standoffish but rather their mindset is the opposite of the mindset for this thread.
This thread was all started for opinions and feelings. No real need was expressed but really just an implied desire.
UKTF are by many of their admission very logical thinkers. Therefore without need (which is extremely easy to debate since needs require logical reasons compared to wants) it makes inspiring their community to join in extremely difficult.

I agree with BOFH when he says that someone should try to come up with a more logical approach defining reasons for its creation and the benefits of such creation would be to the individuals and the community as a whole.
Someone who has experience with debating formally would be the best person to convey the topic throughout the community. That way emotions wouldn't exist but rather it would be a logical presentation instead of just an emotion statement.

I really hope this made sense, and that someone will be encouraged to try again with much more specific criteria on the UKTF threads.
 
so i just read the UKTF thread for this and noticed that it will be rather difficult to encourage large amounts of inspiration from that side of the pond.

Not because they are negative or standoffish but rather their mindset is the opposite of the mindset for this thread.
This thread was all started for opinions and feelings. No real need was expressed but really just an implied desire.
UKTF are by many of their admission very logical thinkers. Therefore without need (which is extremely easy to debate since needs require logical reasons compared to wants) it makes inspiring their community to join in extremely difficult.

I agree with BOFH when he says that someone should try to come up with a more logical approach defining reasons for its creation and the benefits of such creation would be to the individuals and the community as a whole.
Someone who has experience with debating formally would be the best person to convey the topic throughout the community. That way emotions wouldn't exist but rather it would be a logical presentation instead of just an emotion statement.

I really hope this made sense, and that someone will be encouraged to try again with much more specific criteria on the UKTF threads.
I think if somebody WANTS to put forth the effort to do this - great - don't let me stop you at all, but my stance is a little different.

If folks at UKTF, or TT, or here for that matter, aren't interested because they don't see a need for the symbol, so be it. Personally, I don't care if we have one person involved in the decision-making process or one million - as long as everybody who WANTS to be involved has that opportunity.
 
I think if somebody WANTS to put forth the effort to do this - great - don't let me stop you at all, but my stance is a little different.

If folks at UKTF, or TT, or here for that matter, aren't interested because they don't see a need for the symbol, so be it. Personally, I don't care if we have one person involved in the decision-making process or one million - as long as everybody who WANTS to be involved has that opportunity.


Sounds good to me. I took one you guys came up with and put it in my sig. It fits. :doublethrust:
 
We Brits are a sceptical lot.

I deal with an American web hosting company and they are a breath of fresh air to the British approach to customer service, which is quite frankly shocking in many cases.

As a Brit, I like the idea of a tickling symbol (lets call it a tickling symbol hey? easier to spell, right?).

But I'm not sure that any small subset of people within a community as large and diverse as the TMF can invent a symbol. It has to evolve, surely?

If anything, the binky is more of a knismolagniac symbol.

Lets see where this goes. It will take years to evolve and catch on, but should be well worth it to say that you were involved in the seminal discussion as the beginning.
 
Sounds good to me. I took one you guys came up with and put it in my sig. It fits. :doublethrust:
Ooh I love it in your sig!! I kinda think that unless I fall completely in love with the symbol that is eventually chosen to represent the TK community as a whole, I'm going with the neuron/tree thing regardless. It's just awesome :yourock:
 
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