I followed this thread wondering where it would lead, and how it would play out. It's telling that the TMF members who replied were, by and large, polite and treated the poster's issue as a serious one and deserving of serious, rational replies. So, I'm gonna do my best to try and dial down the snark and give it a try.
NonConTickler, you exhibit symptoms right out of the DSM-IV as a classic sociopath. So, no I am not going to agree with any part of your original post or any subsequent posts on this thread. I'll just hit a few of the high points of your original post.
“Unfortunately this doesn't take into account the fact that the guy might not*care*about her as a person, and may indeed just see her as a pair of feet he wants to touch. Thinking isn't wrong, so it's not wrong to think that way, agreed? “
Um, how 'bout no? Nice try, but your attempt at logic is faulty. For example: if a person thinks that “All red headed people should be killed.” Or, “All left-handed people are actually demons in disguise!” Or, “Dolphins control the international banking system for their own benefit.” Then that person's thinking is wrong, and kinda crazy.
Then there is this little gem, “*So what I'd like some people here to do is complete this sentence for me:*"you have no concern for whether the woman gets anything at all out of interacting with you, and that's perfectly fine. But how you should go about it is...."
Basically what you are doing here is asking for tips and tricks from a more experienced and successful sociopath than you. Frankly I hope to god nobody else on the TMF fits that description.
What seals the deal here is this, “If I see other people as means to an end, and the people themselves are of no signifigance to me other than what I can get from them, that's just a preference. It's not illegal or "wrong" to have a preference.”
You should get some therapy from a Ph.D or a psychiatrist, seriously. No, really, I'm not kidding. You don't just have “a preference” you have an uncompromising belief, it's the last sentence of your first post. You tried to hide behind the much gentler “preference” but in the end, you couldn't keep up the facade. You are anti-social in the extreme. And if “people” make you feel like an “outsider” or “different” it is because you are, and not in a good way. Your belief system regarding others is pretty seriously unhealthy, and I bet most people pick up on that, at least I certainly hope that they do.
Note for Wolf: Yes, NonConTickler is emotionally immature, and whiny. But this is also classic sociopathic behavior, this is a summary from Robert D. Hare, Ph.D, who developed a “Psychopath Checklist” for diagnosing sociopaths and psychopaths:
In psychopaths, inhibitory controls are weak, and the slightest provocation is sufficient to overcome them. As a result, psychopaths are short-tempered or hot-headed and tend to respond to frustration, failure, discipline and criticism with sudden violence, threats and verbal abuse. They take offense easily and become angry and aggressive over trivialities, and often in a context that appears inappropriate to others. But their outbursts, extreme as they may be, are generally short-lived, and they quickly resume acting as if nothing out of the ordinary has happened.
The outrage NonConTickler had in his post about his treatment in the chatroom and his demand that the mods “make sure” that no one ever treats him like that again, is pretty classic egotism, sure it comes from a place of anger at being treated as “different”, but let's be honest here, that's because he IS different. Total lack of empathy toward any other human being just ain't normal folks, there I said it. Look at his third post: “The most important thing on this board is tickling. I'm a member of the tickling community because I'm into tickling. I'm a member of the TMF family. A "black sheep" of the family is still part of the family. And to me the only thing a member of the TMF family could do to warrant being a "black sheep" is to not be into tickling anymore. Tickling itself is more important than how I treat a hooker or a stripper. They're not one of us. They don't matter. They're the outsiders, not me. Tickling is more important than some skanky little hooker, she's there to be used and thrown away, that's her function, the reason she was put on earth. She doesn't matter. We are the only ones who should matter to us. “
Slow your roll G, you and me are not family. The only thing we have in common is hemoglobin and internet access, but that's it. You say that you “*like to limit my in-person interactions with people to just getting what I want from them whenever possible.” Well your demand for unconditional acceptance from us on TMF is just another way for you to get what you want. So no, not gonna happen. Don't try and use our interest in tickling as an all-encompassing excuse to support your behavior. Believe me Skippy, there is no “us”. I can't stop you from doing whatever it is you wanna do with another person, but don't ever get the idea that I somehow have to applaud and support everything you do, because if what you do or how you do it is creepy to me, I have the right to say so. Get used to it, you are probably going to be hearing it a lot.
But back to my original point, “Sociopathy is a complex personality disorder. Sociopaths exhibit a wide variety of maladaptive behavior which makes the condition difficult to diagnose. Sociopathy is not one trait; it is a syndrome—a cluster of related symptoms .” NonConTickler, you have a lot of these symptoms whether you know it or not. NonConTickler, you see to see a well trained, professional therapist. Time and honest effort spent in your therapy will be much better for you than any time you spend on the TMF or any other area of the internet.
I may be wrong, but I doubt it.
