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Lord I was born a Gamblin' Man

Sould Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 33.3%

  • No

    Votes: 12 66.7%
  • Total voters
    18
Let's see. He lies for years about ever gambling on baseball, and then admits to it when it could boost his new book's sales. And he still hasn't come completely clean. The guy who used to run his bets said he did so from the clubhouse all the time despite his denials.
 
Yes

I think there is no doubt in my mind that he should be in.

I never liked the guy. Being a diehard Mets fan since 1973, I still hold a grudge against him for his role in the brawl with Bud Harrelson. I always thought he was an arrogant jerk on top of that. He ignored his family which led to two divorces. I can go on.

Getting back to his accomplishments during his career, what is there not to let him in? He has the all time hits total of over 4,000, a record which I don't think will ever be broken again. He gave so much to the game with his heart and hustle. He truly cared about the game. Played for like 25 season which included 4 World Series rings. He was such a big part of the big Red machine. There are guys in there which have less than perfect track records. I think leaving him out would be a big mistake considering he was one of the best offensive players of his time.

Put him in.
 
I agree that Pete Rose was a fantastic athlete. And he did it in an age before steroids. However, if baseball can keep "Shoeless" Joe Jackson out of the Hall of Fame as they have for almost a century now for his role in a gambling scandal then Pete Rose can be kept on hold too. Either that or let them both in and admit that gambling on baseball while participating in it is no big deal anymore.
 
let him be judged to the hall based on his merits as a player. send him in, coach.
 
I can't stand the guy as a person. I think he's a class A jerk. However, the hall of fame was set up to honor accomplishments as an athlete, not as a person. (If so, half the guys in there wouldn't be there.) I'd let him in. But, I'd also have something set up to expose the character (of him AND others) as something that is not supported. I'm not sure exactly HOW I'd do the latter. But, it would be a way to educate all the kids who pass through every year. They could use it as a public service thing...maybe even have some of the guys who are still around speak on occassion about the fact that having your life in order is more important than playing well. 'Taint gonna happen. But, it's what I'D do.

Ann
 
Yes, Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson should both be in the Hall of Fame.

Jackson was banned for life; now that he is long dead, let him in the hall on the basis of his playing career.

Rose is an A#1 jerk. But he, unlike Jackson, actually went to jail. Let him in now, while he's still alive to enjoy it.
 
Nix

They forfeited the priviledge of being inducted when they broke the friggin' rules about gambling. Period. And Rose has been playing chicken$#@& games for 14 years now, and it doesn't look like he's done, either. As far as posthumously letting them in... sure, there ya go. Go ahead and check out, Pete. We'll stuff ya and mount ya in the Hall then, baby.
 
I am in complete agreement with Dan...(apocolypse!!!!) LOL..

Sorry, but the man not only broke the rules, he lied about it even after he was caught and continued to lie about it for years. It would be a poor example indeed to show our young people that you can lie and cheat and still get what you want anyway.

Add to that the reports that several players who have already been inducted are ready to break all ties with the hall of fame if Pete gets in, that's more than enough of a reason to keep him out.

He deserves nothing as far as I am concerned.


Ray
 
Voting ...

One of the criteria for entrance to the Hall of Fame is "integrity". It's up to the eligible voters to determine how to interpret that phrase. Personally, I'd take him on my team if we were playing softball, but I don't think he deserves to be among the most honored of all time in this sport. Stats ARE important, but they are NOT the sole entry requirement..

Q
 
You really have to wonder how many OTHER players gambled as well and just didn't get caught. Funny thing as I was reading in Sports Illustrated (this weeks issue) how he befriended a college kid and, later on, they had a falling out, which led to the probes. If Rose wasn't such a A 1 class jerk, he probably would not have blown the whistle on him.

I still think he should be in but I have to validate the points made by Q, Venray, and Danimal. Well said guys.
 
venray1 said:
Sorry, but the man not only broke the rules, he lied about it...
Click to expand...

Kinda sounds like our gov. They wouldn't let HIM in either. lol

Seriously, I can understand what those who don't think he should be allowed in are thinking. But, if we took a good look at a lot of the guys who are already there, I think we'd have to kick some out if we start looking at character as a qualifying trait.

Ann
 
Didn't Pete Rose show up in the WWE, for a couple Wrestlemania's......(once dressed as a chicken).....only to get choke-slammed by Kane??😱 😕


Now he's headline news??


Drew
 
Agreed, he is. And many asses, such as Ty Cobb, are in the Hall of Fame. 😀
 
Character vs Integrity

It's one thing to be a challenged personality, such as a few Hall of Fame members already mentioned, another altogether to manipulate the game itself. Personally, I think the betting when you're managing the team is enough in itself to disqualify him....

It's supposed to be tough to get in, and if the Hall is to actually represent an ideal, the choice seems unfortunately clear in this case.

Q
 
The worse part of all of this is that the only reason he has brought all of this up again is to gain publicity to promote and sell his new biik where he supposedly tells the "truth"

Once again, it's not about the rcognition with him...it's about the money...He should not be inducted....:sowrong::sowrong:

Ray
 
Times change, attitudes change, Society evolves. No one, however, will take Ty Cobb or Rogers Hornsby or Burleigh Grimes OUT of the Hall of Fame. Maybe it's time we took a stand here and did something right. I'm thinking maybe you let him in, and have it read on his plaque that he was banned from baseball from 1989 to such and such a date for gambling, and that his dishonesty and intractability kept him out for said length of time.
Or, you can just put 'Asshole' on the plaque. I know that would suit me.
 
Sounds good to me Knox.....

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Fabolous graphic, Venray! 😀 You are the master of the images.
 
As some who know me are aware, Iam a baseball freak, and maybe my opinion is in the minority, but this is how I see it.
Rose did a terrible thing by betting on baseball and lying about it. No doubt, it shows lack of character, he committed crimes, and did things against the rules of baseball. That being said, there are people out there who have committed serious crimes such as robbery, rape, and even murder, who have served less time in jail than Pete's 15 year banishment from baseball. Please do not misunderstand what Iam saying. Iam in no way excusing his actions. He is a jerk, a liar, and a criminal. (He's also been jailed for tax evasion, as some may know) However, if we can let hardened criminals such as armed robbers, rapists, and even murderers out of jail after less than 15 years, then I would say that Pete has done his time. Maybe its a simplistic explanation, but this is how I see it. Granted, Babe Ruth didnt bet on baseball, but the guy was a serious gambler, a womanizer, and an alcoholic, and he is in Cooperstown. I say that Pete has served his time. Let him in the Hall based on his all time hit leader record, his numbers on the field purely. I believe he has been punished for his off field actions for a reasonable amount of time. He has been humiliated, banished, and shunned. I also do not think baseball should make it a condition that Pete has to give up gambling to get into the Hall. Gamblers are not always bad people. In Pete's case, I would just say, he's served his 15 year sentence, let him free, and go on. Maybe my opinion is in the minority, but this is how I see it.

Mitch
 
Don't get me wrong....

I think Pete Rose is a f&*#$g a hole. As well as all his publicized criminal and moral (NOT!!) activity, I think the guy is a complete and utter jerk. I hate him for what he did to Bud Harrelson, I hate him for what he did to Ray Fosse during the 1970 All star game, I just hate the guy with a passion that kills me b/c he is so arrogant that I would love to see him fall flat on his ass at whatever. If I saw him, I would NOT hesitate to put my fist in the mans face.

Anyway, With all due respect to Q, Venray, and all the other's who think he should not be in, I still think he should be in based mostly on his accomplishments in his career. I think if he ever gets inducted, that the gambling scandal should be well documented. this would be a qualification (if you want to call it that) to emphasize that he was less than a model citizen. I agree with Mitch that he went through quite an ordeal with his ban from 1989 to the present. As i mentioned before, I wonder how many other players gamble and just haven't got caught.

I liked the rspinse of Knox by putting ASSHOLE on his plaque. I would want to add something but, if that happened, it would not be allowed to be hung for the public to see.
 
I've never been confused with a baseball fan. I like to watch the Mets once in a blue moon, but the following I found to be informative.

I think the part in bold text is where Mr. Rose seems to be failing. Ability plays only one part. It seems to be outweighed by integrity, sportsmanship, and character.

The precedent of someone with a weak moral code being admitted does not somehow excuse Mr. Rose of accepting the results of his actions. For example, a child may make a perfect score on every test he takes, but if he does all of his studying in detention, it's just not cool. Live with your choices. Capiche?
Jo


Rules for Election to the Hall of Fame (Exact copy In repsonse to my email to the BBHF on how members are chosen.)
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Rules for Election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by Members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA)
Rules for Election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by Members of the Baseball Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans
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Rules for Election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by Members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA)
1. Authorization — By authorization of the Board of Directors of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, Inc., the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA) is authorized to hold an election every year for the purpose of electing members to the National Baseball Hall of Fame from the ranks of retired baseball players.

2. Electors — Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.

3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election

BBWAA Screening Committee — A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.
An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.
Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

6. Automatic Elections — No automatic elections based on performances such as a batting average of .400 or more for one (1) year, pitching a perfect game or similar outstanding achievement shall be permitted.

7. Time of Election — The duly authorized representatives of the BBWAA shall prepare, date and mail ballots to each elector no later than the 15th day of January in each year in which an election is held. The elector shall sign and return the completed ballot within twenty (20) days. The vote shall then be tabulated by the duly authorized representatives of the BBWAA.

8. Certification of Election Results — The results of the election shall be certified by a representative of the Baseball Writers' Association of America and an officer of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, Inc. The results shall be transmitted to the Commissioner of Baseball. The BBWAA and National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, Inc. shall jointly release the results for publication.

9. Amendments — The Board of Directors of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, Inc. reserves the right to revoke, alter or amend these rules at any time.
 
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