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the best movie ever.
words fail me, it was incredible!
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words fail me, it was incredible!
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Yeah what ever reeny.......
.......some folks like to be wipped.
.......some folks like to be wipped.
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Re: Yeah what ever reeny.......
red you obviously haven't seen it yet!
and better reeny than weenie! lolol
steve
red indian said:
red you obviously haven't seen it yet!
and better reeny than weenie! lolol
steve
saw it last night. It was a strange experience. While I was watching it, I felt like I was watching the Matrix:Revolutions again. I was so disappointed in the boredom I was facing. Coming out of the film, I could only recal the exciting scenes (I won't describe them here) that made me jump out of my seat. I need to see it again to discern if it was really as exciting as my memory is allowing me to think. I know that there were far too many slow parts. Arwen's scenes should have been cut from all three films, and Liv Tyler should be given a swift beating for her horrible protrayal of such a strong elf. Every time she graced the screen the films would come to a screeching halt as the audience waited for her to spit out her lines in a strange Pauley Shore-like stammering.
The last twenty-five minutes of the third film was the longest anti-climax in the history of filmdom. THe stoners behind me were having a fit as Bilbo and Frodo finally got on the.... well, you'll see.
PROBLEM WITH THE MOVIE: What happened to Saruman? Why didn't he get his come-uppance? Did Peter Jackson even read this book? Doesn't he realize that Saruman is supposed to go to the shire where the final skirmish takes place between the powerless wizard and the three remaining hobbits, eventually eliminating evil from middle-earth forever? Oh, maybe he left it open for a fourth movie.
Great movie, but not nearly what it should have been.
The last twenty-five minutes of the third film was the longest anti-climax in the history of filmdom. THe stoners behind me were having a fit as Bilbo and Frodo finally got on the.... well, you'll see.
PROBLEM WITH THE MOVIE: What happened to Saruman? Why didn't he get his come-uppance? Did Peter Jackson even read this book? Doesn't he realize that Saruman is supposed to go to the shire where the final skirmish takes place between the powerless wizard and the three remaining hobbits, eventually eliminating evil from middle-earth forever? Oh, maybe he left it open for a fourth movie.
Great movie, but not nearly what it should have been.
I read about this, they had filmed the scenes with Saruman but they cut it because the film was pushing three hours. Christopher Lee said himself that he was very frustrated and dissapointed when he learned Jackson had cut his major scenes out.
Don't worry, you'll see the scene a year and a half from now when the extended version of Return of the King comes out on DVD.
Don't worry, you'll see the scene a year and a half from now when the extended version of Return of the King comes out on DVD.
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drew backs to be sure...
but still the best movie ever.
about half way through it, well.. make that a half hour into it, i turned to my oldest daughter and said, "they could have easily made a 4th movie, and fleshed out all 4 more". she agreed.
my biggest complaints are; that no elves died at helms deep in the second book. and why drop tom bombadil from the saga?. also too much of eowyn. they didn't go into aragorns rule as king. the parts they used to make the third movie were over half way into the third book!
but it was already 3hr.20min, how much more could they have reasonably done?
steve
but still the best movie ever.
about half way through it, well.. make that a half hour into it, i turned to my oldest daughter and said, "they could have easily made a 4th movie, and fleshed out all 4 more". she agreed.
my biggest complaints are; that no elves died at helms deep in the second book. and why drop tom bombadil from the saga?. also too much of eowyn. they didn't go into aragorns rule as king. the parts they used to make the third movie were over half way into the third book!
but it was already 3hr.20min, how much more could they have reasonably done?
steve
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The Scouring of the Shire simply didn't fit in with the thrust of the film trilogy: It is, by far, the most poignant and best part of the entire series, mainly because it demonstrates that even after the "Ultimate Evil" that is Sauron has been defeated, evil itself still exists in the heart of men: Sarauman may have been the instigator of the Shire's invasion, but he had many accomplises from within. It was Tolkiens attempt to tell us that we should remain ever-vigilant against, well...ourselves, really.
Now try and explain that to a movie audience who have been told that the Ring is *everything* and the crux of the film, and that its destruction should be the zenith of all three films...to add in Sarauman and the Scouring at the end would have been a massive anti-climax and one hell of a good way to confuse those within the audience who have yet to read the book. Granted, the long wind-down was a complete pain in the ass...no wait, let me re-phrase that, it was a complete pain in the bladder; I swear if I ever even come *close* to wanting to take a piss again my chest might explode, ala John Hurt Alien. Films just shouldn't be that long, people...
Still, it was worth it for Gollum, Sheolob, The Witch King and, highlight of the *entire* film, Grottbag (I think) the Orc drop-kicking an Uruk-Hai out of a window, down a mountain. Sorted.
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Now try and explain that to a movie audience who have been told that the Ring is *everything* and the crux of the film, and that its destruction should be the zenith of all three films...to add in Sarauman and the Scouring at the end would have been a massive anti-climax and one hell of a good way to confuse those within the audience who have yet to read the book. Granted, the long wind-down was a complete pain in the ass...no wait, let me re-phrase that, it was a complete pain in the bladder; I swear if I ever even come *close* to wanting to take a piss again my chest might explode, ala John Hurt Alien. Films just shouldn't be that long, people...
Still, it was worth it for Gollum, Sheolob, The Witch King and, highlight of the *entire* film, Grottbag (I think) the Orc drop-kicking an Uruk-Hai out of a window, down a mountain. Sorted.
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Jeesh, I haven't read the books in so long I forgot all that stuff! But, aside from such, it kicked arse, no question about it.
Re: drew backs to be sure...
*shrugs* Who knows? Personally I was delighted that they removed Tom Bombadil from Fellowship. Every time I read the book he pisses me off no end with his gibbering andgyrating. The tosser sounds like a reject from a Jerry Springer audience!
No Elves died at Helm's Deep? If I remember correctly they weren't even AT Helm's Deep in the first place. Bloody Peter Jackson did a miracle with the first film, but the second one disappointed me so much. Havn't seen the third one yet, but you can be sure I will!
Damn shame to hear that the Scourging of the Shire was removed. That had BETTER be in the 4 disk DVD! It's one of the most fundemental parts of the whole book. A mistake removing any sight of Valinor too.
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*shrugs* Who knows? Personally I was delighted that they removed Tom Bombadil from Fellowship. Every time I read the book he pisses me off no end with his gibbering andgyrating. The tosser sounds like a reject from a Jerry Springer audience!
No Elves died at Helm's Deep? If I remember correctly they weren't even AT Helm's Deep in the first place. Bloody Peter Jackson did a miracle with the first film, but the second one disappointed me so much. Havn't seen the third one yet, but you can be sure I will!
Damn shame to hear that the Scourging of the Shire was removed. That had BETTER be in the 4 disk DVD! It's one of the most fundemental parts of the whole book. A mistake removing any sight of Valinor too.
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Review
Here's a pretty accurate review (in my opinion) by James Berardinelli, the only reviewer we pay any attention to in my house:
http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/l/lotr3.html
For the record I LOVED the film, saw it opening night and will likely go see it again-just like the last two 🙂
Bella
Here's a pretty accurate review (in my opinion) by James Berardinelli, the only reviewer we pay any attention to in my house:
http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/l/lotr3.html
For the record I LOVED the film, saw it opening night and will likely go see it again-just like the last two 🙂
Bella
I don't think Scouring of the Shire will make it even into the 4 disk DVD set. Remember the gift giving scene of Galadriel in Fellowship? She gave Sam a coil of Elven rope. In the book she also gave hgim a small box of enchanted soil, which played a big part in Scourge's aftermath.
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I saw it before it went nationwide, when you can see the first two, then see ROTK. Three words: pillow and blanket. You'll need it, unless you LOVE watching three and a half hour long movies😀
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All in all, I liked this film. Yes, there were problems, but look at the sheer magnitude of the work you are trying to bring to te screen. If you were to put everything that happened in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings onto film, you'd wind up with a Trilogy clocking in at over 24 hours long. Jackson made a film representation of Lord of the Rings suitable for film. Friend of mine who are long-time fans have always said the work could never become a movie because of the incredible depth. Then Peter Jackson came along and did a wonderful job of making a trilogy of films based on Tolkien's work.
Now, on to the problems.
Am I the only one who noted that Eowyn didn't die? The three-way relationship between Aragorn, Eowyn and Arwyn was an important part of the book, not really treated with great concern by the films. I thought that Arwyn was a strong character in Fellowship, but weakened over the last two. To be fair, Jackson had little to work with. In the book, the Aragorn/Arwyn thing is a long-distance relationship through almost the whole story. Eowyn's death should have been left intact. It made the end processional (with Eowyn standing next to Faramir in perhaps a subliminal "she'll be ok" nod) seem as if Eowyn took all the bottled-up love she had for Aragorn and decided "Ok, all's well that end's well and the better woman won." Not like her at all.
The pace was wierd, but in fairness, I knew that audiences who hadn't read the book would tire of the post-Pellenor scenes. But Jackson did justice to the real fans, wrapping eveything up in a palatable if disjointed way. I feel that it will be fleshed out in the extended DVD, and I think that we'll see the Sauraman scenes if in fact (as Lee noted) they had been filmed.
I had no problem with Shelob, although in truth her appearance was originally in The Two Towers. I can understand Jackson moving it to ROTK, as Helm's Deep should have been the central point of any film version of TT. I though Shelob was perhaps the best representation of a gina spider in all the films of seen of giant spiders. She moved like a spider, didn't seem choppy or stupid and the pan-out shots of her creeping along after Sam in thier showdown were fantastic. Ironically, the creepiest shots of her were after Sam had forced her back and you see how a spider really backs into a corner instead of just slinking away.
I thought that Return of the King wa the weakest of the three in some ways, the best in others. Pellenor Fields was unbelievable and the oliphants were magnificent.
n truth, I try to look at th Lord of the Rings as a whole, not as three films. It's one story tht was filmed all together as a massive project. In that light, Jackson has created the masterpiece aga of our time, and should be recognized finally by the Academy as Best Director...jut look at the appendices on the extended DVDs to see how involved he was in every single aspect of creating this work. If he is shunned this time around, it will be the greatest Academy Awards tragedy since they gave an Oscar to Marisa Tomei.
Now, on to the problems.
Am I the only one who noted that Eowyn didn't die? The three-way relationship between Aragorn, Eowyn and Arwyn was an important part of the book, not really treated with great concern by the films. I thought that Arwyn was a strong character in Fellowship, but weakened over the last two. To be fair, Jackson had little to work with. In the book, the Aragorn/Arwyn thing is a long-distance relationship through almost the whole story. Eowyn's death should have been left intact. It made the end processional (with Eowyn standing next to Faramir in perhaps a subliminal "she'll be ok" nod) seem as if Eowyn took all the bottled-up love she had for Aragorn and decided "Ok, all's well that end's well and the better woman won." Not like her at all.
The pace was wierd, but in fairness, I knew that audiences who hadn't read the book would tire of the post-Pellenor scenes. But Jackson did justice to the real fans, wrapping eveything up in a palatable if disjointed way. I feel that it will be fleshed out in the extended DVD, and I think that we'll see the Sauraman scenes if in fact (as Lee noted) they had been filmed.
I had no problem with Shelob, although in truth her appearance was originally in The Two Towers. I can understand Jackson moving it to ROTK, as Helm's Deep should have been the central point of any film version of TT. I though Shelob was perhaps the best representation of a gina spider in all the films of seen of giant spiders. She moved like a spider, didn't seem choppy or stupid and the pan-out shots of her creeping along after Sam in thier showdown were fantastic. Ironically, the creepiest shots of her were after Sam had forced her back and you see how a spider really backs into a corner instead of just slinking away.
I thought that Return of the King wa the weakest of the three in some ways, the best in others. Pellenor Fields was unbelievable and the oliphants were magnificent.
n truth, I try to look at th Lord of the Rings as a whole, not as three films. It's one story tht was filmed all together as a massive project. In that light, Jackson has created the masterpiece aga of our time, and should be recognized finally by the Academy as Best Director...jut look at the appendices on the extended DVDs to see how involved he was in every single aspect of creating this work. If he is shunned this time around, it will be the greatest Academy Awards tragedy since they gave an Oscar to Marisa Tomei.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Eowyn didn't die in the book, did she?
She's the one who killed the Nazgul King in the first battle, yes? According to my copy of ROTK (which I've just consulted) Eowyn ends up being with Faramir after the war.
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Gol-durn! With previews it was like 3 1/2 hours. I liked it, but it sure felt like 3 1/2 hours, too. There was so much battling in the last two, there's only so much fighting one can. But it was beautiful to look at at the acting was well done.
I can't wait till Pt. 4 next year when Sam's story in the last pages of the book is told. But I bet that will be shorter.
I can't wait till Pt. 4 next year when Sam's story in the last pages of the book is told. But I bet that will be shorter.
ROTG will be the extended DVD that I want to see! Peter Jackson said the first cut of the ROTG film was 4 hours long!
So, you can expect there to be alot of material in this last set.
And yes the "Sauraman scene" will be on the ROTG DVD, Peter said it himself. It was to have been the "opening" of ROTG but it didn't pace correctly(again according to Peter) with the rest of the way he filmed the movie.
I don't know if anyone here watched the "Two Towers" extended DVD but there was just a bunch of stuff in there, esp the first half of the DVD...much more content with the Ents. Also to be noted in the "Two Towers" is that Peter went for PG-13 whereas the extended would have gotten an R rating. Actually I am surprised ROTG got a PG-13, it was pretty intense at certain points. Watching people fall off keeps and hitting buildings on the ground is pretty intense...I can't imagine the R cut of this film.
I loved the battles of the last two films, amazing stuff! Peter uses CGI the right way, to enhance the actors work, and Gollum is just an amazing achievment for a CGI character.
I loved the film and I actually liked the ending although a friend of mine noted that the "ends" seemed to NOT have the same production value that the rest of the film had,I felt is was fine.
What I can say is that I will probably watch any film Peter Jackson chooses to make!
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My mistake on the Eowyn-death thing. I don't know exactly what I was thinking at the time, but it was about 4 am when I posted and it had been a long day. Sometimes the mind does strange things when you're half-awake. I should be kicking myself considering I read the book twice. 🙄
Still, the whole triangle thing could have been played up a bit.
Still, the whole triangle thing could have been played up a bit.
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the length factor
i felt fresh and invigorated after the movie!
i've sat squirming, and bord watching movies only an hour&a half long!
i'll have no problem with a 4 hour extended dvd.
i thought a fantastic job was done with the gollum character too.
for me the only problem with the battles was the tears i got a couple times. and please correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought it was mary who killed the witch king in the book? i have re-read the first two, and will be starting rotk tomorrow, or friday.
we'll most likely go see it again tomorrow (christmas day) or friday.
steve
i felt fresh and invigorated after the movie!
i've sat squirming, and bord watching movies only an hour&a half long!
i'll have no problem with a 4 hour extended dvd.
i thought a fantastic job was done with the gollum character too.
for me the only problem with the battles was the tears i got a couple times. and please correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought it was mary who killed the witch king in the book? i have re-read the first two, and will be starting rotk tomorrow, or friday.
we'll most likely go see it again tomorrow (christmas day) or friday.
steve
http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1072200980.html
Return of the King extended DVD could be 4 hours and 50 minutes long! 😱
Return of the King extended DVD could be 4 hours and 50 minutes long! 😱
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If you wait for the LOTR DVD package to come out. It will be filled with all the edited material thrown in. When the scences lag behind FAST FORWARD. So far everyone I've talked to who've seen the "Return of the King" enjoy themselves. Peter Jackson might have created another classic.
If you wait for the LOTR DVD package to come out. It will be filled with all the edited material thrown in. When the scences lag behind FAST FORWARD. So far everyone I've talked to who've seen the "Return of the King" enjoy themselves. Peter Jackson might have created another classic.
I went to the minute-after-midnight show on opening day. I left that theater at about 3:40. I've read the trilogy many times and I'd say that this movie more than the other two departed from the books. But I found this bothered me not one bit. You just can't have everthing from the book in the movie, and any deletion is going to piss somebody off.
One reason the movie was so long is because it had to finish up the Two Towers (how many of you folks have heard people refer to the second movie as "The Twin Towers"?). In the books, Frodo's and Sam's encounter with Shelob occurs in the Two Towers, not ROTK, as does Pippin's pilfering of the palantir. My only complaint about ROTK is that they totally neglected to cover all of the appendices.
One reason the movie was so long is because it had to finish up the Two Towers (how many of you folks have heard people refer to the second movie as "The Twin Towers"?). In the books, Frodo's and Sam's encounter with Shelob occurs in the Two Towers, not ROTK, as does Pippin's pilfering of the palantir. My only complaint about ROTK is that they totally neglected to cover all of the appendices.
