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LOTR wins best everything?

Oddjob0226

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So "Return of the King" is the best picture (and everything else) at the Academy Awards? Although after "Titanic" & "Gladiator" I saw this coming, the trend appears to be that well acted movies with amazing state of the art special effects that are otherwise just fair but fancied-up adventure movies are now 'the best'. So why didn't Stallone's "Cliffhanger" or any of the Indiana Jones movie win best picture? "The Phantom Menace", "Terminator" or "Total Recall" or "Freddy Vs. Jason"? This was the same movie as "The Two Towers"! I guess this type of thing is just over correction for "The English Patient".

And I don't know how Annie Lennox won for the best song, that slow ponderous tune that sounded exactly like the other slow ponderous tunes from the 1st 2 "Rings" films, only boring-er. She should have won for her song from Dracula years ago. The "Triplets" song.... 2 songs from "Cold Mountain"... Mitch and Mikki (!).. those were the real winners. But it was a total LOTR sweep. Stupid smurfs.

On the other hand - Sofia Coppolla and Errol Morris, yeah!
 
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Note that it was Mystic River that got best actor in a leading role and best actor in a supporting role.

I'd put my money on that one for a must see. Great cast and director.



Ray
 
LOL, I've heard that LOTR will be renamed now: LOTO (Lord of the Oscars)! 😀
 
i know i'm in the minority, but i really didn't care for that movie - and more importantly, aside from its effects and sweeping cinematography, i don't think it should have won all those awards.

now planet of the apes from 1967 - that was a movie!😎
 
Honestly, I'm a little miffed that Nicole Kidman was snubbed for a Cold Mountain nomination.

*sigh* It's all just another form of politics anyway.

Jo🙄
 
the_Baron said:
i know i'm in the minority, but i really didn't care for that movie - and more importantly, aside from its effects and sweeping cinematography, i don't think it should have won all those awards.

now planet of the apes from 1967 - that was a movie!😎

I have yet to see, nor the desire to see any of the LOTR trilogy. My teenage son went to sleep in the theater. I tried watching the first one when it was on cable. I couldn't stand it! I don't know how it got an oscar at all, much less the number it did. In a word, YUCK!


I know many disagree, but we all have our tastes and this isn't one of mine.
 
Lost in Politics

Lost in Translation was much better than Return of the King. Alas, the Tolkien epidemic has reached mass proportions. Personally, I think Hobbits are pretty lame.
 
I agree with Marlon Brando and George C. Scott about the uselessness of "awards" for movies. To take movies from vastly differnt genres, and decide which one is 'best' is absurd. All the oscars really are is something publicists and movie studio heads can wave around when they make their next deal.

The Sean Man

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GO LOTR!!!! It should have won MORE awards!!! I guess you have to have a flair for fantasy..... To truly appreciate it's greatness.
 
Well lotr has some fantastic actors/actresses. Unlike that matrix trilogy, the entire series makes sense.
 
Long live the Rings baby!

Woo hoo!

My fav trilogy EVER!

DK
 
I admit to having a low attention span, but I still enjoyed the LOTR trilogy, which probably is over 10 hours worth of film. The first two didn't get that much praise in the Oscars, but it does seem fitting that the final part sweeps the board, so I'm pleased with that.

One thing though. I'm a little bewildered as to why Scarlett Johansson didn't get a look in this year at the nominations. You'd think when she won the Golden Globe and BAFTA, the Oscars would recognize that, not to take anything away from the equally gorgeous and talented Charlize Theron. Oh well, there's always next year.
 
in my not-so-humble-opinion

lotr-rotk was the greatest movie ever made!
if you disagree ,you're wrong. but that's ok, that's why movies like cold mt., and mystic river, ishtar, etc. are made. for the unenlightened, unimaginitive of this world.
the fact the r.o.t.k. didn't even get a single nomination for any acting catagories shows the accadamy knew it would sweep those too, and didn't want to cause a mass crying jag at the awards show.

on another note, jeez charliese theron is a long winded no talent piece of work.

steve
 
The Two Towers was easily a better movie than Return of the King; the reasons why - the battles were more impressive, the last 30 minutes weren't an exceptionally long procession of goodbye scenes, and finally, less attention was given to the annoying and touchy-feely Hobbits. Perhaps, one particular individual would disagree with me, but Mystic River was also flat out better than Return of the King.

Someone earlier mentioned the futility of awards shows covering such a wide range of movie genres. I would disagree because the Oscars and the Golden Globes are both shows that (in theory) are supposed to measure the quality of filmmaking in a given year. Best Picture is supposed to be given to the best film in a year, and that can be measured by observing all of the creative and technical aspects of films. For example, Return of the King easily had the best special effects of any film in this year. The detail of the costumes and sets were simply amazing, and the soundtrack was pretty good too. So, Return of the King already had a lot going for it in the technical senses.

The acting was quite good among Viggo Mortensen, Ian McKellen, Miranda Otto, and various other members of the cast, but I'd argue that the plot was more original and the acting was better in Mystic River. Mystic River may be a totally different genre than LOTR, and LOTR might be a classic series of books, however, as far as films go, I'd argue Mystic River was easily better. The themes behind LOTR were interesting, but they weren't anything particularly original. Most of the ideas presented in LOTR follow the typical and timeless themes of the epic. Good vs. Bad... Power vs. Humility... and many countless others. While these themes are important and easy for anyone to relate to, Mystic River tackled many issues that are both original and not so readily accessible. Vengeance is basically the core of that movie, but it shows just how insidious a reaction it really is.

I might be going out on a limb here, but seriously, the most important part of a movie is its message. If the message is something that everyone already knows, then it's not a very powerful message. The movies that are the most influential make you think. No one can dispute the evil of Saruman or Sauron, or the good of Gandalf or Stryder. In Mystic River, everyone is a shade of grey on the good/bad scale, and life itself is far more like the shades of grey idea than the black-and-white/good-and-evil ideology so often seen in fantasy. If you've seen Mystic River, you'll know what I mean when I say that you'll find yourself debating the justifications of each character's actions. Sometimes, good and evil aren't so explicit, and movies that continually remind us of this fact are usually the most innovative and impressive. Mystic River may not have won Best Picture, but it's easy to see why Sean Penn and Tim Robbins won what they did. I'd have to disagree with Steve that, in fact, Return of the King won Best Picture to avoid a crying jag by the most fanatical LOTR fans....

Unfortunately, the Oscars and many other awards shows have become political affairs. Instead of the best movie winning Best Picture, the most popular will win. The best example of this is when Titanic won Best Picture in 1997. The majority of the industry agreed that L.A. Confidential was a far better movie, but it didn't do as well in the box office, so Titanic won. Other times, certain actors, actresses, directors, or producers will be rewarded for their connections to Hollywood. Finally, there are cases when the Oscars are blatantly political; I have no doubt in my mind that Denzel Washington won Best Actor for his performance in Training Day and Halle Berry won Best Actress for her performance in Monster's Ball both in 2001 due to their ethnicities. Don't get me wrong: Denzel and Halle are very good at acting, but I'd seen better performances by both of them in other movies. There were better performances in other movies that year as well, but I think the Academy was trying to shed its image of being a mostly white awards show by awarding both of them. Anyone can see that the majority of winners of Oscars are white. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the choices of winners each year, but you do have to remember that Sydney Poitier was the first minority actor awarded Best Actor back in 1964. I suppose the Academy had decided enough time had passed to repeat this event, and ironically, Sydney also won something that night.
 
I loved the books so...

Well the books were fabulous, and the movies did a great job of adapting the book to the screen so um.....yay LotR! I'm glad that it won so much, but I think that some of the other movies out there were just as qualified. I liked it best though.......
 
It just makes me think 'Jurrassic Park III', 'Matrix Trilogy, or 'Smurfs and the Magic Flute' got robbed along the way.
 
BOOO!!!!!!!!!!

It seems to me that the minority is no longer people who didn't enjoy the movie. I for one haven't watched a second of any of the three movies, and you'd have to tie me to the couch and pull my eyelids over my head in order to get me to watch it.

It is unfortuante that so many movies were overlooked by the Acadmey this year. That damn movie was a nominee in categories it didn't even have the criteria for. This movie is my generation's Star Wars, and I don't think it even deserves that title. Although the special effects, score and cinematography might be pretty good, it wasn't good enough to take everything, and I'm not so upset that I missed the Oscars this year so I didn't have to hear people going on and on about it.
 
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