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Male/Male tickling

I propose a little experiment. Post a m/m clip and don't label it as such. Then watch how people respond with disgust and anger. You will probably get a polite reminder to label clips from the mods. In fact that rule was put in place to prevent flame wars erupting over folks feeling "tricked" into watching something they find objectionable. That kind of visceral and bitter reaction doesn't spring from someone who simply prefers one form over another. It comes from someone who is deeply bothered by it. It's one thing to rickroll people, but if you dickroll someone be ready for a fight.
 
I disagree with you on the fact that both sexes have shown awkwardness for the male touching male. Everytime I have come accrossed this problem it has been with males not feeling comfortable, and yes I have plenty of female lees to, but to me tickling can be just tickling. For me tickling releases endorphins which help you feel relaxed and doesn't always bring on a feeling of I want to jump your bones. For tickling is just an action of stress relief and I don't distinguish between how I get tickled.

Again, none of this can be quantified. It's based on personal experiences. My experience is just different from yours, that's all. No factual evidence could possibly be presented. To all m/m fans, this is the one area where people can be as judgmental and even bigoted as they want. Fetishes and sexual turn-ons are intensely personal and doesn't require someone to be equal opportunity.

No one should be ridiculed for their preferences, that defeats the whole mission of the forum. The bottom line is m/m tickling has a smaller fan base than m/f or f/f. We can debate all day on why. The free market has spoken. Because of the intensely personal and private nature of the fetish, doesn't it make sense that the reason for disliking m/m be just as intensely personal?
 
Tomskee, Let us agree to disagree. I do not believe that male/male tickling is not always sexual.
 
I just think that if I see two adult men tickling each other I'll probably think they're gay.

See that is the stigma I am talking about. Just because two adult grown men tickling each other does not mean that they are gay. Are the two men touching sexual organs. If they are not touching sexual organs then it is just playful tickling and the guys are not gay.
 
I just think that if I see two adult men tickling each other I'll probably think they're gay.


Well if somebody wants to be that judgemental, that's their problem. Now I happen to enjoy F/M, but I'm not about to change my taste to suit whatever somebody else tells me I should enjoy.
 
Tomskee, Let us agree to disagree. I do not believe that male/male tickling is not always sexual.

Let us find common ground here. If you believe that tickling is not always sexual, then you could be more accepting of different forms. However, many more people associate tickling and sex. I base this on the relatively small number of m/m material, the numerous tickling/sex related threads and posts and the amount of tickling/sex stories posted. If these patrons see m/m as sexual, and thus are turned off by it, you can't fault them for it.
 
This quote doesn't make sense

I propose a little experiment. Post a m/m clip and don't label it as such. Then watch how people respond with disgust and anger. You will probably get a polite reminder to label clips from the mods. In fact that rule was put in place to prevent flame wars erupting over folks feeling "tricked" into watching something they find objectionable. That kind of visceral and bitter reaction doesn't spring from someone who simply prefers one form over another. It comes from someone who is deeply bothered by it. It's one thing to rickroll people, but if you dickroll someone be ready for a fight.

I'm not into m/f tickling...So if someone puts up a m/f tickling post without labeling it, am I supposed to be offended because I was 'rolled'? Should I ask someone to step outside and let's duke it out? Honestly, ask yourself: if I were to complain about such a post, how seriously should that complaint be taken?

At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I think some people get unnecessarily freaked out if a clip starts playing that they don't like. All of a sudden, the "back" button doesn't save them from having a traumatic experience. Oh, call the lawyers! :dropatear

I've accidentally clicked on m/f clips scores of times and have hit the stop button or back button. I can assure you my masculinity is still intact, my gayness has not been harmed, and m/f tickling clips (as well as m/m tickling clips) will not cause your own life any damage.
 
I'm not into m/f tickling...So if someone puts up a m/f tickling post without labeling it, am I supposed to be offended because I was 'rolled'? Should I ask someone to step outside and let's duke it out? Honestly, ask yourself: if I were to complain about such a post, how seriously should that complaint be taken?

At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I think some people get unnecessarily freaked out if a clip starts playing that they don't like. All of a sudden, the "back" button doesn't save them from having a traumatic experience. Oh, call the lawyers! :dropatear

I've accidentally clicked on m/f clips scores of times and have hit the stop button or back button. I can assure you my masculinity is still intact, my gayness has not been harmed, and m/f tickling clips (as well as m/m tickling clips) will not cause your own life any damage.

Why do you think the label rule was put in place? Because some folks then violated the golden rule and unfairly attacked the poster. A flame war would erupt and that doesn't do the forum any good. The reason I posted this was because Lucy asked me "How do I know that it (m/m tickling clips) makes them feel awkward?" So to illustrate my point, I proposed this. You are right people do get too freaked out. Which proves my point that people don't like m/m at a visceral level. I personally don't respond to clips like that. It's classless and counter-productive. It's good that you do the same. The original question was why m/m was not as liked as others. I've tried to articulate my opinion to the best of my ability and some of you just don't like it. Which is cool. We all can't agree. As long as no one begins to attack personally it's all good🙂
 
tomskee;1720290I've tried to articulate my opinion to the best of my ability and some of you just don't like it. Which is cool. We all can't agree. As long as no one begins to attack personally it's all good:)[/QUOTE said:
I hope I haven't given you the impression that I was attacking you personally, Tomskee. Not my intention at all.

Lucy
 
Lucy, by no means do I think you or anyone else is attacking me personally. We are having a good discussion and it would be a shame if it degenerated into sniping back and forth. Don't worry we are not there yet.
 
Let us find common ground here. If you believe that tickling is not always sexual, then you could be more accepting of different forms. However, many more people associate tickling and sex. I base this on the relatively small number of m/m material, the numerous tickling/sex related threads and posts and the amount of tickling/sex stories posted. If these patrons see m/m as sexual, and thus are turned off by it, you can't fault them for it.



Tomskee,

There is a common ground. I am into all types of tickling i love it when there is m/f, f/m, f/f, and also when there is m/m tickling. From what I have seen m/m touching is not a niche in the market you can go into an adult bookstore and found it in an easy located spot, but back to my point. Yes, I agree that if you have a romantic interest in the person that is tickling you it can become sexual, but what I am saying not every single male or female is going to have that romantic interest. For me tickling is used for a stress reliever and it does not matter who is doing the tickling it can be a male/female. I use this to help reduce the number of migraines I have caused by stress. The only time tickling becomes sexual for me is when I am with my wife who I have the romantic connection with because then the tickling takes on a deeper feeling with her. My wife and I have a love that we share and want to please each other.
 
Brother Bear here's the true common ground: No one should ever judge someone who likes m/m; however for those of us that don't like it, for whatever reason, should not be judged either. I think that's fair.
 
Brother Bear here's the true common ground: No one should ever judge someone who likes m/m; however for those of us that don't like it, for whatever reason, should not be judged either. I think that's fair.


If we are following the golden rule then yes, nobody should be judged. I was not trying to judge any one who does not like m/m tickling. I was just trying to figure why some forms are accepted over other forms.
 
Love this thread, really fascinating-interesting

If we are following the golden rule then yes, nobody should be judged. I was not trying to judge any one who does not like m/m tickling. I was just trying to figure why some forms are accepted over other forms.

Ticklebear 2,

Yes I agree it is always good and always great when we follow the Golden Rule and always nice and great when we can see eye to eye generally on most things, but sadly it is true there are many times-we all won't be able to see things the same way or feel the same way about things.
That is not a crime and nothing to feel terrible about, just a fact of life. Yes, it would be great if others would not be unfairly judged-but sadly it happens. So guess suffice it to say-best sometimes when we disagree and don't see eye to eye-best to chalk it up to agree to disagree, really the best way to go-if you can't find mutual common ground and compromise is a impossibility.

I commend you on being brave to start this fascinating thread and talking on a topic that can be very much a really hot topic and bit controversial at best-because everyones' views vary and so are vastly different-that takes great courage, I can see you have that in great amount. :xpulcy:😉

I am happy and glad to hear you say that you are not trying to judge anyone that is into m/m tickling or whatever kinks that others might have for themselves personally, that is great to hear ticklebear 2. That is a very mature and great way to be. It is really neat that you are so open-minded and understanding of so many others' differences, that can be indeed very rare and rough to find in this day and age nowadays. So I commend you greatly on this.

Nothing wrong with you trying to find to figure out why some forms are accepted over other forms. I think that is a natural question to ask and nothing criminal and no crime to being curious on inquiring on this and wishing to hear others' feedback on this. So keep up the great work, love this thread, very interesting and fascinating.😉
 
I like social dancing, and it's common to see 2 women dancing together. However, 2 men dancing together is taboo. They would be considered gay. I have danced with men in a dance class, and I found it non-sexual. I wouldn't want to do it on a regular basis, though. So outside the tickling world, m/m things are taboo.

Our society is full of contradictions, though. Take professional wrestling. The ultimate of m/m. This is OK and it's on television and is very popular. I've seen professional wrestlers tickle during the competition. High school and college wrestling is very popular and accepted. Are they all gay? Of course not. Are they into tickling girls? I think so.

When a child, I was tickled by other boys and men. I didn't find it sexual. Sometimes as an adult, a man gives me a little tickle. I don't find it sexual, but it is a little annoying. As an adult, if a woman tickles me, I find it very exciting. Am I interested in m/m tickling? No.

I think our social/sexual attitudes are all messed up, otherwise there wouldn't be these contradictions.
 
Here's something to think about for the guys. We all know that m/m has this forbidden stigma for most of you, but why is f/m any different really? If it's about the lee being a man, then what's it matter what gender the ler is? And if it's about the ler, why not just let it all be f/f? Or is it because you just want to see a man dominated by a woman? Why, that almost seems sexist. 😉
 
No problem

I personally prefer a either F/M or F/F or M/F but if that is what a person prefers than we have no right to jugde, I mean be you.
 
Quote Excess And if it's about the ler, why not just let it all be f/f? Or is it because you just want to see a man dominated by a woman? Why, that almost seems sexist.

I can see and I can understand totally what you are talking about excess, that makes a lot of sense. Yes it does seem that the traditional tickle role play of m/f and f/m tickling /playful tickle domination is more socially and widely and greatly accepted by many and others vs m/m or f/f tickling/tickle domination-role play. (seen as taboo and forbidden to many)tickle community lots of times and also very much seen and frowned on lot in "vanilla" world.

Least that is what I have noticed to be greatly true and what I have noticed to be true social norm tends to stand true to many in tickle community, TMF and also others that could be "vanilla" that privately and secretly harbor the love and passion of being "closet" tickle fans-that he or she may not be emotionally aware of at the time.

Whether that being m/f and f/m tickle sessions whether that involve playful tickle bondage/domination or doesn't involve bondage used incorporation of tickle sessions whether that be private or public tickle sessions.

It tends to be the norm whether in tickle community or "vanilla" sensual world-social norm of acceptance of m/f and f/m emotional and sensual and or sexual interactions-that sometimes don't even involve the element of casual tickling or erotic tickling. Some intimate encounters in vanilla world add element of erotic tickling or casual playful tickling whereas others in vanilla world-would not even think or consider -adding tickling in any shape or form in foreplay or in bedroom or even playfully done outside bedroom. All boils down to personal preferences.

I agree with you excess, what is wrong with also accepting m/m and f/f tickling and m/m and f/f or m m f/ f/f/m playful tickle domination? what is wrong with a woman playfully tickling and playfully pinning down and playfully dominating a woman in of course-either a casual platonic way-casual tickling or sexual wise-depending on what the parties involved wish to do-depending on one's wishes and limits and boundaries set and being respected and honored of course.

Ditto, same goes for m/m or
m/m f, f/f/m tickling-doesn't have to be sensual or sexual-it can be platonic and casual and playful-just depends on the parties involved wishes.

I don't really see nothing wrong with playful casual tickle domination- f/f tickling done in a playful way-showing friendship and affection, don't see that as a crime.

Same goes for m/m tickling done in a playful way-showing friendship -nothing wrong about that. m/f and f/m tickle domination is encouraged and looked highly upon-can be casual and platonic and fun and lighthearted and not be construed as sexual or sensual, why can't the same respect and diginity be paid to these tickle scenarios?

It just tends to be seen so black and white and no areas or shades of gray and seems not much flexibility in these scenarios. As long as it is consensual and the 2 people are adults and responsible and willing and consentual-and limits and if you will the parties are adult and consent-mutual ground-respect and honor limits and boundaries, I don't see the problem.

Not flaming anyone just sharing my thoughts on this, then who really cares if the tickle sessions be either casual, platonic or even possibly maybe become sensual or sexual for others-way I see it between 2 people or parties that are involved or may not be. Long as limits and boundaries are clearly followed and are not violated and no trust is violated, what is the trouble???

I feel the world can be too harsh and cruel and hurtful and judgmental as it is; so really besides it boiling down to personal preferences, I think it really can become a judgment call, don't feel that is right for any of us to make.

That is between the person and the other person, or parties that may or may not be involved in tickle sessions.
That is also a personal choice that should be respected and not judged-between a person and God ( personal relationship w God) and the person and parties involved not anyone else's call to make really. We all have our own flaws and imperfections, none of us are perfect. We all make our own decisions and make our own choices.

It would be great if we could all feel emotionally secure and emotionally safe and be nice to know we can share our thoughts and feelings and not be judged, sadly this doesn't happen many times and not often; but it would be nice for this to happen-be a positive reaction, positive experience or experiences once in a while, instead of really negative bad feedback and judgmental views. Not being trying to be harsh and not trying to be mean-just needed to get that off my chest and needed to vent a little, sorry about that, just what I am noticing to be true.

Once again not flaming anyone because we all have our views and thoughts on things; that is what makes us individuals. Sorry just needed to get that like I said off my chest. I generally try my best to stay open-minded and do my best to try to find, accept and see the best in everyone.
It would be wonderful and really nice to see more of this than what I see and happen to notice, very rare to find or see this, sadly sometimes I wonder why.

It is about us sharing the passion and love for tickling
and not about focusing on our differences but what unites and brings us together friends. That is what I feel on this.
I mean what does it matter really if we all have different personal preferences and different sexual kinks or if others would have a different sexual orientation or preferences, in the end we are all individuals that share love for tickling.

That is just my thoughts on this, what are your thoughts.
 
This is indeed a great debate, that examines our ideas of fetish, sex, attitudes about sexual/gender roles and personal choice. This whole issue hinges on two things. One, to what degree do we associate tickling and sex. Two, how comfortable are we with things counter to our tastes.

Personally, tickling is a turn-on. I have used tickling as foreplay and during intercourse. Even when tickling platonic female friends, there's a bit of sexual feelings stirred. Playful tickling even has subtle sexual undertones. When I purchase tickling media, it's a fantasy. I think, "Boy, that girl is fine. I wish I was the one tickling her." I am a heterosexual male ler. I am first and foremost attracted exclusively to the female form. One of my favorite things to do to that form is tickle it. I don't find males attractive at all, so I don't want to see them tickled. The majority of patrons of porn and fetish are straight men. We, at a visceral level just find the idea of m/m unpleasant. I really can't state it any more plainly.

I would never denigrate someone for their preference. We are all here to explore our love of tickling. If someone attacks you for you preference, then you have every right to go back at them with equal force. But if someone doesn't agree with your preference, don't think the worst of them. It's simply a choice. Chocolate or vanilla. Coke or Pepsi. This one of the most personal things about us. We don't have to be open minded about our personal kinks. If we did, that would defeat the whole idea of personal. We do have to respect each others likes and dislikes.
 
Being tickled by another male or tickling another male just isn't my cup of tea.
If someone else likes it, that is fine with me, but just don't expect me to be a part of that play.
I prefer m/f, f/f or f/m.

Jst my personal preference. :cuddle:

Don...........aka DLazarus
 
I would say that there is a definite social stigma towards anything m/m that's remotely in the realm of sexuality. The reason? I dunno. I don't agree with it either -- I really haven't seen that much in this thread I totally disagree with ('xcept maniac, but I'm a liberal so that's nothing new 😛).

It's interesting, though: I'm bisexual, but I've tickled far less dudes than many of my straight friends have. I dunno what it is about my group, but it's not that uncommon when some guy tickles another guy, mainly coz alot of them are deathly ticklish and it makes for good horseplay. Perhaps we are in the minority, then.
 
I have a bit of a problem when people say tickling is mostly sexual; when your mother tickles you as a kid was she having sexual thoughts? When your dad tickles you as a kid was he having sexual thoughts? When you tickle your friends as a kid; were sexual thoughts going through your mind?

Its true tickling can be sexual if you want it to be however, its also true that tickling can be just clean childish fun. Each individual have their owe perception of what tickling means to them; just because one person feels tickling to be sexual; doesn’t mean the next person does.

I myself had been tickled by a couple of my 20+ yo god-sons along with my wife. They said since I always tickled them when they were kids; they wanted payback when they found out I was ticklish. Does that mean I was having a 4 sexual foursome?

I have guys poke me in the ribs and I do laugh and move away. Does that make me gay? I know in some people minds it might.
If a guy want to be tickled by another guy who are we to say it’s wrong or right? Time and life is way too short to worry about what someone else is doing. As long as it is not against the law (not the bible; but, the law of man) who cares?
 
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