My master left me however..i found my new one..and oh boy it was amazing

[-Kunoke-]

Look at it this way. If I went around calling myself a junkie, and met a woman who is a junkie, and said to her "Let's be junkies together," would I have any right to complain if she ACTED like a junkie, and expected me to act like a junkie too?

Would I be worthy of anyone's sympathy if I said, "Well, I CALL myself a junkie, but I don't really DO heroin -- I just like the IDEA of being a junkie -- It's kind of cool and romantic in a pathetic sort of sense, and I think women who do heroin are really hot. But I can't BELIEVE she wanted me to shoot up. She EXPECTED me to shoot up..." You'd think I was a complete idiot. And you'd be right.

Moral of the story: Don't play around in other people's lives. YES, any guy who calls himself a Master (in the BDSM sense) and is serious about it is going to treat slaves in a certain way. And any slave who really IS a slave will EXPECT to be treated like a slave (i.e., like PROPERTY).

If that sounds sick and fucked up, that's another topic of discussion altogether, but hey baby, it be what it be.

I don't think you're quite grasping the situation here. The guy didn't beat her because he thought he was her master and could do whatever. The slave and master thing for them was roleplay, not serious. And frankly, you're being quite rude about it, which is not necessary.

 

[MistressValerie1]

If the intent of this thread was to provoke emotional responses, it has clearly been successful. A couple of other members were sufficiently skeptical that they issued "troll warnings" early in the thread.

I have no idea if the account of "slave abuse" depicted here was a true experience, and I don't know how knowledgeable the thread starter is about BDSM terminology or the connotations of a true "Master/slave" relationship, so I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

For whatever it's worth, the semi-authoritative Wikipedia gives this explanation of the term "Master":

In BDSM, Master is one of the honorifics some people use to describe the dominant partner or "owner" in a Master/slave relationship. Because it is an honorific of the dominant form, it is usual for it to be written with a capital letter.

It might also be used by the submissive partner as an honorific term in a D/s relationship. This can cause confusion when trying to understand BDSM terminology as both "Master" and "slave" might be used - as terms of endearment - even though neither consider themselves to be owned nor owner.

Some people enjoy the connotations of servitude or submission in calling their partner "Master", or being called "Master". To others, the ritual of such a formal mode of address may be appealing. It may also be useful in building roles in which one partner or the other may indulge in sadistic or masochistic desires, although people living as Master and slave are not necessarily sadomasochistic.

Usage of "Master" in most BDSM environs does not imply any specific expertise, abilities or formal training. To successfully maintain a Master/slave relationship takes abilities and skills beyond or apart from normal relationship skills.

The term "Master" can be gender-independent but is mostly used only in reference to males. There is otherwise no male-specific equivalent. The female equivalent is mistress or possibly dominatrix.

Although the Master is understood to have authority over the slave in some sense, this never extends to one's legal rights and thus there must always be an implicit element of consent involved.

 

[-Kunoke-]

as both "Master" and "slave" might be used - as terms of endearment - even though neither consider themselves to be owned nor owner.

I rest my case. 🙄

 

[wendyandpeter]

I rest my case. 🙄

I wouldn't get so smug so fast.

1. The BDSM entry in the Wikipedia was written from a political perspective, that is to put BDSM in the best light possible for the general public. It was written by a member or members of Black Rose, probably Jack McGeorge himself. What the Wikipedia says and what actually is are often two very different things.

2. We aren't debating the use of the word 'Master,' we're talking about the use of the word 'slave.' Even the Wikipedia says :

"Connotatively it [the term 'slave'] refers to very involved domination and submission (commonly abbreviated as D/s) relationships; a person who has surrendered their personal property and freedoms to another, who has become the property or chattel of their owner(s)."

It is true that there is a push in the BDSM scene to surrender the meaning and weight of the term 'slave,' and the soft-pedaled entry in the Wikipedia reflects this. This is because so many newbie girls with zero self-esteem call themselves a slave right away, having no real-time experience in BDSM whatsoever, just to feel like someone special. It's sad, really. But because submissive females are at a premium in the BDSM scene, many males are willing to allow whatever gets the girls hooked, and of course the females are all for it. This is, of course entirely self-defeating. Once we start using the term so loosely, the term 'slave' loses all the weight it once carried, because BEING a slave doesn't really mean anything anymore. And when male Masters expect slaves to act like slaves, the trouble begins.

It's just better that women who are not hardcore masochists adopt the term 'submissive' or 'bottom' to describe themselves.

For example, I refer to myself as a Top. I'm not of the Master mentality, and while I might be very dominant, I do not like my playmates to be totally submissive all the time. So I'm a Top; that's what I am. I've never had the least bit of confusion with anyone over that, because I act like a Top.

 

[chode]

Thanks for proving my point.......
A bitch is a ......bitch
A lampshade is a .....lampshade
A slave is a .....slave
And a MASTER is a ........come on,..........anyone? A master is a master.

So if you arent a slave then dont call yourself one. Its like some loser white kid or asian kid acting and dressing like a rapper. You arent black, so dont be a poser.
In this thread, our self proclaimed "slave." Is nothing more than a wannabe or a poser. No if you will excuse me I am going to let my bitch outside so she can take a piss before i go to bed. I dont like to make her wait till morning to do it.

 

[chode]

Term of endearment? Like "nigga?" Add an "a" to the end of a word and its ok. According to Carlos Mancia......

Masta.......Slava......

 

[-Kunoke-]

I wouldn't get so smug so fast.

1. The BDSM entry in the Wikipedia was written from a political perspective, that is to put BDSM in the best light possible for the general public. It was written by a member or members of Black Rose, probably Jack McGeorge himself. What the Wikipedia says and what actually is are often two very different things.

2. We aren't debating the use of the word 'Master,' we're talking about the use of the word 'slave.' Even the Wikipedia says :

"Connotatively it [the term 'slave'] refers to very involved domination and submission (commonly abbreviated as D/s) relationships; a person who has surrendered their personal property and freedoms to another, who has become the property or chattel of their owner(s)."

It is true that there is a push in the BDSM scene to surrender the meaning and weight of the term 'slave,' and the soft-pedaled entry in the Wikipedia reflects this. This is because so many newbie girls with zero self-esteem call themselves a slave right away, having no real-time experience in BDSM whatsoever, just to feel like someone special. It's sad, really. But because submissive females are at a premium in the BDSM scene, many males are willing to allow whatever gets the girls hooked, and of course the females are all for it. This is, of course entirely self-defeating. Once we start using the term so loosely, the term 'slave' loses all the weight it once carried, because BEING a slave doesn't really mean anything anymore. And when male Masters expect slaves to act like slaves, the trouble begins.

It's just better that women who are not hardcore masochists adopt the term 'submissive' or 'bottom' to describe themselves.

For example, I refer to myself as a Top. I'm not of the Master mentality, and while I might be very dominant, I do not like my playmates to be totally submissive all the time. So I'm a Top; that's what I am. I've never had the least bit of confusion with anyone over that, because I act like a Top.

This is not about perspective, and I wish you'd stop repeating yourself, because it gets older every time. The fact of the matter is, people can use whatever they want for a term of enderement. As posted above, even words like nigga, originally used as a very derogatory insult aimed at the black community, can be used as a term of enderement. If this girl wants to call herself a slave to her boyfriend as a term of enderement during whatever they do, she can do it, and no one should critisize her for it or when she posts a story like that, telling that her boyfriend beat her, say she had it coming. That's just plain blackhearted. In fact, I fail to see why you need to come to this thread and act like that as though you know everything that's going on with this girl, and act like she deserves what she got or something.

Point aside, I'm done trying to explain to you, so if you would, drop it, so all of us can.

 

[nessonite1]

Okay...before this thread degenerates further can we please all take a deep breath , relax, and collect our thoughts before posting our opinions? Thanks...

 

[-Kunoke-]

Okay...before this thread degenerates further can we please all take a deep breath , relax, and collect our thoughts before posting our opinions? Thanks...

I agree. Even I can admit I take it a little overboard sometimes. 🙂

 

[Venom3602]

Weeeell...

I never really thought anything about her calling herself property. I just don't like her constant use of the word "master." Her boyfriend didn't pop her one when she was strapped to a leather couch. His ass got drunk at a party and slugged her. It happens so much between normal couples I really doubt their BDSM role play factored into it. Plus, her attitude towards BDSM it leads me to believe that her old "master" would never have believed she was really into it. Also, in my (admittedly weak) experience, the master/slave relationship ussually results in a close bond between the two of them. A master wouldn't cheat on their slave unless they believe the slave got off on it I assume. Their relationship problem seems more to me like a generic lover's fued. It just annoys me how she calls people her "new master" and her "exmaster." Really, nobody here is humored by that. Stop.

 

[Goodieluver]

Why the hell has this turned into a flame thread

She is into sm\bd, this is a given, she is a slave in this because it fits what she wants and had a great time with a new guy she's seeing over an apparent asshole she is no longer with.

Stop bitchin and arguing about the definition of the word "the" and such. For the many of you who read her story and got excited, be happy she was gracious enough to even detail her night

 

[Venom3602]

I agree completely. Who do you assholes think you are expressing your opinions like that? If you have a problem with anything, ignore it and be thankful she gave you masturbation material...[/sarcasm]

 

[MistressValerie1]

Nothing good is going to come from any further arguing in this thread, especially considering the uncertain nature of the original post.

Nessie asked everyone to chill, but since her warning has not been heeded, this thread is now closed.