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New Pants for my New Toy

I WANT people to see that I have a gun. I want other shoppers at WalMart and the grocery store to see another citizen going about their business, acting normally and confidently, who is armed and carrying a weapon.


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Also, as a general sweeping request, please stop referring to openly carrying as "flashing" - to flash a weapon means to intentionally and actively show it to someone and making damn sure that person sees it. Such as flashing my penis, which I do regularly.

So the above would not be considered "flashing"? Okay. How about showing it in general. Is that better wording? Semantics aside; there's no need to be parading around a store with your gun out. It's the same as having your cock out; it's pointless *especially* if shit does hit the fan. You're not a cop and you're definitely not a super-hero.

And despite how nice the gun looks doesn't always mean the user knows how to use it. -- That's like putting a shit-ton of money into a car and crashing it a bunch of times because you can't drive worth a shit.
 
Tell me that when you're with your son at the mall and an armed, violent lunatic walks in and shoots up the place, and no one is there to defend you because everyone thinks carrying a gun is "pointless."

I carry a gun because you won't. I'm ready to protect myself and my loved ones because you're not. I'm not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass and let societal standards dictate my actions because you will.

Not a defensive thing, just explaining my point of view.
 
Tell me that when you're with your son at the mall and an armed, violent lunatic walks in and shoots up the place, and no one is there to defend you because everyone thinks carrying a gun is "pointless."

I carry a gun because you won't. I'm ready to protect myself and my loved ones because you're not. I'm not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass and let societal standards dictate my actions because you will.

Not a defensive thing, just explaining my point of view.


I've been following this thread, and given your responses I know there's no point in discussing the issue further; you'll do what you feel you need to in order to feel...whatever it is you need a gun to feel. So be it, good luck with that. Having said that, I have to agree with other folks that this:

I WANT people to see that I have a gun. I want other shoppers at WalMart and the grocery store to see another citizen going about their business, acting normally and confidently, who is armed and carrying a weapon. I want those people to see that when the shit hits the fan, there's someone with a cool and calm head that's screwed on tight that is on their side. And more Importantly, I want the people who would think about walking into an establishment and committing a crime to think twice about it when they see someone who not only has a gun, but takes the time to make it look nice an custom, which means he likes his gun and therefore knows how to use it.

loudly and bluntly screams a desire to "flash", not simply "openly carry". Now apparently that's not how you feel and that wasn't your intended message, but honestly that's the vibe that statement sent and that's why you're getting the verbal Hairy Eyeball from people. Furthermore, having grown up in a very VERY dangerous inner city NY neighborhood with gunfire all around every day all day, may I say with experience that the LAST thing that makes people feel safe is some dude with no uniform and no badge, just a gun. A gun he obviously really likes and is deeply involved with and seems to want people to know he has :shock: That is absolutely the polar opposite of comforting to say the very least, and part of why there are so many accidental shootings in this country every damn year. How it happens in the movie in your head is one thing; in reality, lunatics are *fast* and have way less to lose and by the time you drop your Hollister bag and Cinnabon to even reach for your gun it's all over.
 
Bella, I understand where you are coming from. However, what you fail to understand (or what I miserably failed to convey) is that I am NOT "itching" to use it - in fact, I hope to whatever God you or anyone else chooses to believe in that I NEVER have to use it in any scenario other than a controlled, shooting range environment. I have absolutely ZERO desire to "flash" it (meaning unholster it and show it to anyone specifically for the sake of showing it), and I don't ever want to have to draw it.

Like I said,

I carry a gun because you won't. I'm ready to protect myself and my loved ones because you're not. I'm not going to sit around with my thumb up my ass and let societal standards dictate my actions, because you will.

It has nothing to with whether or not having a gun makes me feel more 'manly' or justifies anything about me. I am still who I am with or without it - except that without it, if the shit hits the fan, I'll have to rely on someone else to protect me.

When someone decides to shoot up a place, the police are only there to take pictures of the lifeless bodies and hose your blood into the sewer.

Bella, you're right - I failed miserably at conveying what I really meant in my OPs. Hopefully, for those following this thread, this might clear some of it up.

Or not. Whatever. Thanks for trying to understand - not that I need anyone's approval, of course.
 
Your modifications to the gun look very nice... However, I have some very serious reservations about some of the other things you said in your post.

You state that you intend to carry this thing almost everywhere on a daily basis, but have you really thought this through? I mean, you went and painted it RED. Do you have any idea what a small percentage of your wardrobe that is actually going to match with? You'd better get used to wearing black, red, and/or shades of gray on a daily basis. And any Eagles apparel is right out, unless you want to look like a Christmas Tree. 😀

I guess my perspective is a little different, seeing as I grew up in backwoods Minnesota and now live in one of the last vestiges of the Wild Wild West. During hunting season, you could have probably found a rifle or shotgun in one out of every three or four cars in my high school's parking lot... But we never had a shooting. And I've seen enough people carrying guns around Phoenix that it doesn't really phase me anymore. I've never owned a gun myself (I don't hunt, and I don't really need one for home or self defense purposes) and never really plan to, but it doesn't really bother me if folks want to carry one around. Provided they do so in a safe and responsible manner, of course.
 
LOL it isn't a fashion statement, dude. However, there is more than one reason I bought four more pairs of the grips and plan on painting them different colors.
 
It has nothing to with whether or not having a gun makes me feel more 'manly' or justifies anything about me. I am still who I am with or without it - except that without it, if the shit hits the fan, I'll have to rely on someone else to protect me.

If I'd live in the US I'd buy a handcannon like the .60 Smith & Wesson, just because it's fun to have one. 😀

(here guns are illegal but I've gotten myself a ridiculously large (10 inch) rambo knife which I use to peel potatoes etcetera 😀)
 
Viper, you obviously have failed to see anyone's point of view other than your own.
You simply cannot be reasoned with.

Every time you post, you get less convincing, and dig yourself a little deeper.
It's obvious to anyone reading your responses that you have an agenda.

You're in denial if you think your own weapon can't be used against you. You brag at your self-proclaimed proficiency; even going as far as saying you're as prepared and well trained as a police officer... or better.

It's a blatant insult to anyone who's ever donned a uniform to defend our freedom at home or abroad.

You want respect, but don't want to to earn it.

You're taking the short cut, and it might burn you.
That's what your friends are trying to tell you.

As far as those who are not your personal friends? Well...you come across as a loose cannon who's paranoid, pissed off, and likely to snap when things don't go their way.

Like at the pharmacy counter when your insurance denies your medication.

Take a look at your blog posts for further verification.
 
Viper, you obviously have failed to see anyone's point of view other than your own.
You simply cannot be reasoned with.

I see other viewpoints. I just disagree.

Every time you post, you get less convincing, and dig yourself a little deeper.
It's obvious to anyone reading your responses that you have an agenda.

I don't need to convince you, or anyone else. I was just showing the grips of my pistol, and Borg Perfection, Bella, and yourself derailed the thread (which, by the way, is against the rules), although in feeding into it, I am guilty of the same thing.

You're in denial if you think your own weapon can't be used against you. You brag at your self-proclaimed proficiency; even going as far as saying you're as prepared and well trained as a police officer... or better.

Show me where I said it can't possibly be taken away from me. I believe I've simply said that I've made it very difficult to have it taken from the holster except by me, and that I am in the process of taking training classes and courses for weaponry self defense.

It's a blatant insult to anyone who's ever donned a uniform to defend our freedom at home or abroad.

You mean like myself?

You want respect, but don't want to to earn it.

Because having the respect of an antagonistic prick with a screenname like yours is SO important to me.

You're taking the short cut, and it might burn you.
That's what your friends are trying to tell you.

It might. That's what training is for, and you're unprepared by NOT having a weapon, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

As far as those who are not your personal friends? Well...you come across as a loose cannon who's paranoid, pissed off, and likely to snap when things don't go their way.

Like at the pharmacy counter when your insurance denies your medication.

Take a look at your blog posts for further verification.

Yeah, because I was angry and blogged about it, I am totally about to snap and shoot the place up. [/sarcasm]

Why don't you take up your sword and shield and go after every single teenager who's social life doesn't go exactly their way, who also has an online blog. lol. 🙄

Like I said, I see other's points of view - I simply disagree and choose to stick by the decisions I've made. I'm prepared for whatever consequences that may bring.
 
One more time, hon: responses to statements made by *you*, the original poster, are not derailing. Perhaps this isn't the way you wanted the conversation to go but that happens when your words are rather alarming to your readers.

One note: you allude to your brief time in the service, which is definitely to be respected and honored. My husband's youngest brother has been a soldier in our Army since 1994; he's been a keeper of the peace in Haiti, two post-9/11 tours of Iraq, and he's in Afghanistan right now, won't be home until 2011 sometime if we're lucky. I've cried and lost more than a little sleep over the stories he tells, it's truly horrifying and man at our worst. When he's home, he wants absolutely nothing to do with guns or any other weapons no matter what neighborhood he's in. He has the skill and could legally carry if he wanted to, but somehow it's just not appealing. Just a different POV ♥
 
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That's interesting, Bella. Seems that your friend is so disgusted by the horrible things going on in other countries that he just wants nothing to do with those things that would be a reminder. I don't blame him one bit.
 
Tell me that when you're with your son at the mall and an armed, violent lunatic walks in and shoots up the place, and no one is there to defend you because everyone thinks carrying a gun is "pointless."

Erm.

I never said carrying a gun is pointless. Flashing it and grandstanding is pointless. You've got a gun. Good for you. Keep it concealed and if shit does hit the fan then you can show off your amazing shooting prowess.


I carry a gun because you won't. I'm ready to protect myself and my loved ones because you're not.

heh. Let's not get personal here, Mark. I don't need a gun to protect myself or my family. If you feel more secure having that piece with you then good on you. Not all of us need to rely on guns to feel that way.
 
Erm.

I never said carrying a gun is pointless. Flashing it and grandstanding is pointless. You've got a gun. Good for you. Keep it concealed and if shit does hit the fan then you can show off your amazing shooting prowess.

Jo, sweetie - I am not flashing it. I never have flashed it. I never will flash it. I don't know how else I can explain to you the difference between "flashing" a weapon and simply openly carrying it. I'm really not trying to be a dick here hon, but I don't know how to get this across to you.

heh. Let's not get personal here, Mark. I don't need a gun to protect myself or my family. If you feel more secure having that piece with you then good on you. Not all of us need to rely on guns to feel that way.

I didn't mean to offend with that piece. I simply wanted to illustrate to you that, by making the choice to not have one, one can't protect themselves, period. I am not saying that choice is right or wrong, please don't get that impression - my choice to purchase and carry a weapon is not right or wrong either, it's simply what I feel comfortable with - but the difference is, if, in the extremely rare circumstance in which I would need to defend my life, I'll have the ability to. That's all I meant, and I hope you didn't get upset at how I presented that. :smilelove It's also less about relying on the gun, since it would only be an option if immediate, life-threatening danger were imminent, and only under those circumstances.

Again, I don't expect you to change the way you think about it - to each their own.
 
Ever since I've been to the US, I know that having guns for sure does not make people feel safer....the exact opposite is the truth! My father-in-law would not let me go outside alone anywhere when we were downtown....no matter where we went, they were always alert and worried to get assaulted or robbed.

And when they were in Germany, they were totally amazed on how we could just walk outside at any time of the day, through the city, alone. I think that the right to bear arms actually gets you guys in danger and doesn't make you safer!
 
Ever since I've been to the US, I know that having guns for sure does not make people feel safer....the exact opposite is the truth! My father-in-law would not let me go outside alone anywhere when we were downtown....no matter where we went, they were always alert and worried to get assaulted or robbed.

And when they were in Germany, they were totally amazed on how we could just walk outside at any time of the day, through the city, alone. I think that the right to bear arms actually gets you guys in danger and doesn't make you safer!

Who is it that makes you feel unsafe in the US? The people with guns who are trying to take your property, sexual sanctity, or life? Or the people who are carrying guns to keep the former from victimizing them?

I'm going to take the advice of a good friend of mine and let this thread live itself out without me. I clearly have to keep this part of my life separate from this community. 🙁
 
I WANT people to see that I have a gun. I want other shoppers at WalMart and the grocery store to see another citizen going about their business, acting normally and confidently, who is armed and carrying a weapon. I want those people to see that when the shit hits the fan, there's someone with a cool and calm head that's screwed on tight that is on their side. And more Importantly, I want the people who would think about walking into an establishment and committing a crime to think twice about it when they see someone who not only has a gun, but takes the time to make it look nice an custom, which means he likes his gun and therefore knows how to use it.
I'm a long time lurker and would have been happy to remain that way, until I saw this post. It prompted me to register so I could respond.

I don't think I've ever seen such brazen arrogance. I myself am a gun owner and a proud supporter of the Second Ammendment. But it's vigilantes like this Viper who make it easy for anti-gun leftists to present a case against us. Most of us gun owners are discreet and keep our weapons locked up at home except when we go to the range for practice. Please don't judge us by this idiot.

Viper, you have absolutely no business carrying a weapon of any kind. You're a disgrace to gun owners everywhere. If I ever see you in WalMart carrying, I will personally take your gun away from you as easily as taking candy from a baby, and toss it down the nearest sewer.
 
I was just showing the grips of my pistol, and Borg Perfection, Bella, and yourself derailed the thread (which, by the way, is against the rules).

Because having the respect of an antagonistic prick with a screenname like yours is SO important to me.

You can't have it both ways.

The real joke is you expect people to congratulate you for spray painting a piece of plastic.

You are failing to see why anyone has issues with your attitude towards gun ownership, and refer to anything but positive comments about your "customization" as off topic.
 
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Who is it that makes you feel unsafe in the US? The people with guns who are trying to take your property, sexual sanctity, or life? Or the people who are carrying guns to keep the former from victimizing them?

The thing is, why ARE there people with guns who can threaten you? Because it is so easy to have guns in the states. Of course, if you really want to, you can also get a gun in Germany....but it is so hard that only very few people actually do. You don't have to worry being outside at night downtown, because the chances of running into someone with a gun are almost not existing.
 
The thing is, why ARE there people with guns who can threaten you? Because it is so easy to have guns in the states. Of course, if you really want to, you can also get a gun in Germany....but it is so hard that only very few people actually do. You don't have to worry being outside at night downtown, because the chances of running into someone with a gun are almost not existing.


.........BOOM BABY! :ty:
 
The thing is, why ARE there people with guns who can threaten you? Because it is so easy to have guns in the states. Of course, if you really want to, you can also get a gun in Germany....but it is so hard that only very few people actually do. You don't have to worry being outside at night downtown, because the chances of running into someone with a gun are almost not existing.

Indeed.

However...

call me a redneck, but I'd still buy a really huge gun because my inner child commands me to do so.
 
The thing is, why ARE there people with guns who can threaten you? Because it is so easy to have guns in the states. Of course, if you really want to, you can also get a gun in Germany....but it is so hard that only very few people actually do. You don't have to worry being outside at night downtown, because the chances of running into someone with a gun are almost not existing.

If someone wants to harm you, they're going to harm you whether they have a gun, knife, or just their hands. :shrug:

I'm not a fan of guns, but they don't faze me either. My dad owns several because he's a gun collector.

BTW, I do like what you did with your gun, Viper. 🙂
 
I've read most of this thread and I have a few responses, provided anybody is listening to anybody else at this point.

I understand Bella's position because as somebody who has--rather naturally I might add, instead of legal--concern for little'uns; WE know who you are Viper, but not many others do...everybody else is somebody else to everybody else.

And as for rhiannon...
The US and its gun problems are largely due to the tradition of heroic common-man warrior mythology that emanates from the days of the Revolutionary War. Because the victors were a largely agrarian people, they incorporated that sense of triumph into their insular, clannish pride that rural people possess and the result was an unhealthy level of aggression incorporated into lifestyle philosophies and perspectives. The idea of using force, intimidation, and violence to resolve a problem with an optimistic outlook undeterred by sense of failure is considered a uniquely traditional American identity.

Notice American action movies: a lone, tough, scrappy, working-class hero with strong principles single-handedly taking on a larger, stronger, oppressive enemy (usually with an accent and a better education) with a gun and can-do spirit...then, against all odds, HE WINS (and usually gets the girl)...

...that's the American version of the Revolutionary War story all over again.

Now, as for Viper...

Are you sure you should be making financial decisions this soon after BRAIN surgery?

I disagree with the choice because, as ASU said, red draws a lot of attention and it sends an aggressive message...usually to other aggressive people who are looking for an excuse to fight. And as we've seen countless times on the forum, there's ALWAYS people looking for a fight...just that some of them use guns instead of emoticons.

Secondly, you have to look at where you are. Here in Montana, we don't even have to register firearms (they DO perform background checks though) and we can carry weapons on bodies provided they are visible (yes, that includes a broadsword although I haven't seen anybody test it yet). You need a permit to carry a concealed one. I've been tempted to carry one with me at times, but then I realized that if the other guy grabbed it before I did, he could shoot me with my own weapon. Also, if I were to use it, I'd be responsible for any legal ramifications that happened as a result of using it...and it can be hard to keep track of all the gun laws in your head during a firefight.

People are used to the idea of people having guns on them out here--and that the gun culture makes sure that people know how to use them properly--so people rarely provoke each other with weapons. Most of the violence we have out here is brute force or with tools like hammers and knives...rarely guns.

You live on the East Coast...people are NOT used to people carrying weapons, let alone RESPONSIBLE people. And the East Coast is largely ruled by organized crime, so most of the people likely to use a gun in violence will have associates who would seek revenge should you successfully shoot one and be exonerated for it. So in all likelihood, your actual beneficial use of it might invite more trouble by people are more accustomed to a largely passive populace that barks and nips rather than bites.

I suspect you want to carry a gun because you feel that there's a likelihood that you might need it one day. I agree. However, having it on display is a foolish decision because violent types often take stock of their surroundings--especially the defensive capabilities of other citizens--before acting out. There are also people who want to carry guns because they're itching for the opportunity to use them...you don't want to run across one of them. Also, the police are uneasy about civilians acting on their own behalf...as concerned as cops are for public safety, they are more concerned with their paternalistic role as absolute arbiters of public affairs and are more likely to come down on you to send a message to other citizens than to applaud you.

The only way carrying a gun works is if you know the law, a realistic understanding of ballistics, and if you keep it concealed. I thought of doing that...but a conceal-and-carry permit is not worth putting my fingerprints on file.
 
Not sure why but this thread reminded me of a song from my childhood and some of my favorite lyrics of all time.
40 shots rang out, 40 people fell,
Patty and the killer missed each other but they shot that town to hell!

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