No Minors Rule for Artwork Forum - A question

[Celtic_Emperor]

Celtic_Emperor said: many words...

Let me clarify.

Images of charaters who are under the age of 18 in the material they come from will not be allowed.

Images of charaters who are under the age of 18 in the material they came from, but have been 'aged' by the artist will not be allowed.

Period.

No kinda sortas. No 'but it's tradition'.

Do not post material that is based on a minor character.

Myriads

Of course I have many words! Who the hell do you think I am, mister?! 😛 LOL 😉

I'm practically paying your salary here! I'm making you earn it! 😀 YA! YA! LOL

Anyways...😀

Just to make double-sure, when you say "in the material they came from" you do of course mean the present, official age, correct?

Obviously, if the character has since aged past the minor ages and into adulthood, its not a problem, right? There have been instances where people argue the official age of a character, and sometimes its hard to get to the bottom of it and the official information is uncertain and undependable on fansites and such.

If you remember correctly, I had e-mailed you with the info you requested in regards to an underage character in an anime picture, because neither of us knew the age, so I had to look it up and verify it for you before you could do something about it (or wanted to).

It would be a shame if we're making mistakes and decent pictures are getting deleted over it.

 

[Myriads]

If a creator has aged a character past 18 in the source work, and you can point at it, then it's ok to use said character with a refrence to the fact they are over 18.

Think of it this way.

Pictures of the Olsen twins after they turned 18 are fine. They can be posted. Pictures from before are not.

Myriads

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

If a creator has aged a character past 18 in the source work, and you can point at it, then it's ok to use said character with a refrence to the fact they are over 18.

Think of it this way.

Pictures of the Olsen twins after they turned 18 are fine. They can be posted. Pictures from before are not.

Myriads

Alrightie then. I figured so. I just wanted to make super duper extra sure since this new rule, I have to assume, is now perminent.

Thanks, bossman. I'm glad we all got this out of the way now and that we had this chat. I'll do what I can to help. 🙂

 

[BigNorm]

i don't want to apply i like underange tickling, which i really don't, but what's the point in starting a witch hunt if there hasn't been any problems in the past, i don't see why why have to do this, even spreading to other sections of the forum. hell, if it ain't btoke don't fix it, ya know?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

i don't want to apply i like underange tickling, which i really don't, but what's the point in starting a witch hunt if there hasn't been any problems in the past, i don't see why why have to do this, even spreading to other sections of the forum. hell, if it ain't btoke don't fix it, ya know?

Umm, if you were reading what Myriads said at all, there WERE problems in the past. This is merely a safety procaution. Naturally, any website who has not yet been under fire has alot of wiggle room to justify things, but when a website that has been addressed on this matter (more than once it seems) it is the moral duty of the owner/admin to rectify the situation, and their legal responsibility as well.

If this happened to TT, you'd better believe there would be a crackdown too. The only reason we have it easier over there is because theres, as of yet, no cases pending or situations which called for removal.

Myriads is in a situation where he and his staff are trying to keep a clean house. Had these incidents never happened, perhaps there would be a more lax approach, as on TT, but he no longer has that luxury, and TT and other places won't either if it ever happens to them.

Its really easy to see something as unnecessary until you experience why the opposite is true. No one feels like doing anything about something until they get in trouble. It would be better for everyone if there was more a sense of initiative so as to avoid disgrace and embarassment in the first place, not to mention potential legal troubles. Adult websites shouldn't take the relative freedom and safety they have and enjoy for granted.

Everybody thinks they're safe until it happens to them.

 

[scorpionldr]

I hate to get involved, but in the defense of art, I feel I have to say something. Who is to judge what images appear to have characters that appear to be legal or "minors"? The way that kids age today, a 16 or 17 year old can almost easily pass for being 19 or 20. I mean, who in the hell is to be able to make a judgement OF AGE on some sort of drawnup picture depicting a spread-eagle position and sexual torture with a headline of "One more unfortunate sexual venture from my teen years.....". Unless it's stated what age the character is IN TEXT whether or not it's ON or OFF the piece of art, how can we really make an honest judgement??

 

[TMF Jeff]

In some cases, it's incredibly obvious, but I think primarily what we're talking about is characters with established ages, like Harry Potter characters, or what-have-you.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Who is to judge what images appear to have characters that appear to be legal or "minors"?

The mods do. End of story. Whether they're right or wrong is technically beside the point.

The way that kids age today, a 16 or 17 year old can almost easily pass for being 19 or 20. I mean, who in the hell is to be able to make a judgement OF AGE on some sort of drawnup picture depicting a spread-eagle position and sexual torture with a headline of "One more unfortunate sexual venture from my teen years.....". Unless it's stated what age the character is IN TEXT whether or not it's ON or OFF the piece of art, how can we really make an honest judgement??

Again, that judgement is left up to the people who wish to report the material, and then the judgement of the moderators who will make that decision. It is of course everyone's hope that reported material might be cleared of underage charges, but that won't always be the case.

In cases where theres a dispute over age, someone will have to cite it in the case of fanart (as this information is available).

Its the original characters our artists create that are suspect. With fanart pictures, its clear what age they are most of the time. With original characters theres no way to prove, other than taking the artist's word for it, that their character is the age they say it is.

The majority of this rule obviously acts on good faith, and so long as a character is drawn adult-looking and the artist has a bio for this character stating their age, then its fine. If they simply draw an unnamed, unmarked character whose age is ambiguous, then its this material thats likely to get reported, but not necessarily deleted.

While this all seems like a horrible disadvantage to our artists, in retrospect, its only keeping them on their toes. Its the fanart thats more easily deletable, simple because lots of people are in a habit of drawing famous anime or game characters who are underage. There are choices they can make that are not underage choices.

All this means is, in regards to fanart, underagers are not allowed. While that takes a majority of the characters out, there are still those cool adult characters people can still choose to draw.

In a way, this new rule is a good thing, as it encourages people to break away from the attraction to nubiles and expand their selections and put their time into characters they otherwise wouldn't have bothered with.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

In some cases, it's incredibly obvious, but I think primarily what we're talking about is characters with established ages, like Harry Potter characters, or what-have-you.

Exactly. Since the bulk of work here is anime fanart, there is almost always an established official age in the official canon of any given series. While this is to the dismay of our artists (since they can no longer upload many of their favorite characters), as I just said a moment ago, there are plenty of adult anime characters you could draw that are just as entertaining as the teens are. These characters are often overlooked because people here have a fascination with younger characters, and thats part of the problem as far as the quantity of reportable material you'd have to keep watch over. They keep drawing more and more of it and you never catch a break making this rule more and more necessary as a precaution.

With the adult characters being drawn, you get to rest a bit more easy and they have just opened up a world of whole different possibilities with characters that were there the entire time but overlooked and disregarded.

If people choose to only see a downside to this, then thats their fault. There clearly is some good that comes out of all of this. Its a matter of accepting it.