Nonconsentual Tickling Video

[NY ler]

not rape!

How can some of you guys compare this to rape??? She willingly agreed to get restrained and have things done to her... and say she was truly that ticklish, what is she suppose to beg for more?? No, she was yelling for the tickling to stop.

And there are thousands tmf members here, and noone is able to post the pic or a clip of her in another video?

 

[rhiannon]

If I agree to be tied for tickling and then the other person pulls out the whip, I might feel a little raped too! It can be compared to rape because things where done against the victim's will - or would have been if it was real, but it wasn't, so - no big deal.

 

[Amanda Cortez]

If it's really against her will it is something like rape. But do you really believe all that "nonconsensual" stuff? I mean it's a ppaid model and I could bet that she knew what will hapen and all the mentioning that it was unconsensual was juz for selling that clip better. And it seems that it worked after so many ppl discussed about it. In my oppinion it was juz a great publicity.

 

[Phineas]

How can some of you guys compare this to rape??? She willingly agreed to get restrained and have things done to her...

Technically, the term you're looking for isn't rape. It's assault.

Either way, when a model signs a release form it doesn't say "I agree to get restrained and have things done to me." Exactly what is going to be done is always spelled out in the contract.

I can't make a model sign a contract that says she'll be tied up and tickled and then shove a dildo up her butt. It just doesn't work that way.

 

[Oddjob0226]

And there are thousands tmf members here, and noone is able to post the pic or a clip of her in another video?

This was the only video she did.

There is a short audition clip she did under a different name with different hair. You've been directed to where it is - why don't you go find it?

We aren't "able" to post it since it's on a pay site and no one wants to go back on there and pay to grab a 10 second audition clip. If it is worth it to you, feel free to get the job done.

 

[NY ler]

Some of you guys are totally nuts! Comparing this to getting a dildo shoved up her ass??

Let's take a step back...

She willingly agreed to get restrained and have 'things' done to her - there's no debate, the only debate is what 'things' mean. So she gets her feet tickled (thru 90+ % of the clip). There is no judge in the world would look at it as a crime or a tort. I believe that some people here have such an extreme tickling fetish, they're biased to this whole debate.

Also, those who are telling me to search PV fot the clip.... id be more than happy to do so, but you need to tell me what to look for...what color hair? What kind of clothes? What time frame?

Also, has anyone contacted PV about any of this?

 

[rhiannon]

She willingly agreed to get restrained and have 'things' done to her

Nobody in the world would agree to "things". "Things" could mean to get your belly sliced open!

There is no judge in the world would look at it as a crime or a tort.

You really seriously think that tickling would not be looked upon as a torture? Think again! For a damn whole lot of people, it is pure torture, and I can almost guarantee you that it would be looked at as such!

Plus, the minute someone says "stop" and "let me go", there is no other safeword agreed on and the person is not listened to, we are talking about - at best! - illegal restraint, which can and will be punished.

 

[Phineas]

Some of you guys are totally nuts! Comparing this to getting a dildo shoved up her ass??

It's not the type of act, it's that the act fell outside the realm of what she agreed to do.

When a model signs a release form for a session, that form states everything the session will include, spelled out to the letter. It will never (if the producer has any sense) say something as vague as "I can do stuff to you", it will say "I will tie you up and tickle you and use hot wax on you."

If the producer then tries to do something not spelled out in the contract, the model is protected, because what was agreed-upon beforehand is all you have permission for.

In the dildo example, if the contract doesn't say dildos are allowed, and then I use a dildo on her, I've stepped outside of what the model agreed to. That's unprofessional at best, and assault at worst, depending on what I did. It's really not that difficult a concept to grasp, is it?

 

[Adam]

Also, those who are telling me to search PV fot the clip.... id be more than happy to do so, but you need to tell me what to look for...what color hair? What kind of clothes? What time frame?

The only thing I seem to recall is that she was a blond in the audition clip. As for time frame, your guess is as good as mine.

 

[COOLCAT88]

My opinion..SPOILERS

Now, I have actually viewed the second supposed nonconsensual video from Paradise Vision with Julie, and this is what I have to say:

1. First off, no producer on here would willingly tickle an unsuspecting girl on here for a long period of time without her knowledge, film it, and then upload it to the internet for the purpose of obtaining money. It's too risky in that the girl could go to the police, say that so and so tickled her, and the police come after you with sexual assault. And your company could be shut down depriving loyal fans of their tickle videos.

Anyway to put a recap of this video, SPOILERS: Julie is an interior designer and comes to inspect the house of Kamianio and Gabrielle ( Whoever's house it is I don't remember). She's going through the house, making comments about what to do. After a while, Kamianio shows her the Massage Chair ( Actually a tickle device consisting of a chair with which you can place mobile stocks in front to hold the feet, and an overhead beam to put arms through over the head. Julie is sort of unsure, but he persuades her to try it out. She sits in the chair, and Kamianio puts her ankles through the stocks, saying how it's a massager. To make a long story short, he takes off her shoes off and tickles her with a feather first. then he puts her hand in the overhead beas and tickles her sides. Then he ties the toes back and tickles her feet some more, then her sides, and then she is let out. She looks pissed off, pushing him to the ground and calling them sickos, telling them to find another interior designer as she storms out of the house.

Now I immediately call this fake. Why do you ask?

Throughtout the video, she never screams or shouts or demands to be let out right now. If someone was truly being tickled against their will, I would assume that they would be at the very least be doing that, telling them she is going to the police if they don't comply.

Also, every single time Kamianio stops tickling her, he makes up some half hearted attempt like " Please don't go. This is only a massage chair" and she goes " Well, okay. One more minute of tickling and that's it. I have a lot of work to do." Does not sound like a nonconsensual victim to me..

 

[Em Es]

Viva TICKLING PARADISE!

I give Tickling Paradise a ton of credit for always trying so hard. I used to own a couple of their titles (when you're married, you don't keep that stuff around the house) and of course enjoy many of their clips on-line. The quality varies, but often enough I like their productions. Some of their girls seem really ticklish, others appear to exaggerate. They get some knockouts and some plain Janes. And some of the scenarios don't gel, but if the weak/non-existent plot devices lead to some good tickling, who cares?

Certainly their D.V.D. Miss Ticklish U.S.A. is as ambitious a tickling video production as I've seen and has some really fetching lasses who seemed pretty ticklish. For those here old enough to remember, Tickling Paradise picks up where California Star left off, except the latter had lots of nudity.

 

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

Now, I have actually viewed the second supposed nonconsensual video from Paradise Vision with Julie, and this is what I have to say:

Anyway to put a recap of this video, SPOILERS: Julie is an interior designer and comes to inspect the house of Kamianio and Gabrielle ( Whoever's house it is I don't remember). She's going through the house, making comments about what to do. After a while, Kamianio shows her the Massage Chair ( Actually a tickle device consisting of a chair with which you can place mobile stocks in front to hold the feet, and an overhead beam to put arms through over the head. Julie is sort of unsure, but he persuades her to try it out. She sits in the chair, and Kamianio puts her ankles through the stocks, saying how it's a massager. To make a long story short, he takes off her shoes off and tickles her with a feather first. then he puts her hand in the overhead beas and tickles her sides. Then he ties the toes back and tickles her feet some more, then her sides, and then she is let out. She looks pissed off, pushing him to the ground and calling them sickos, telling them to find another interior designer as she storms out of the house.

Now I immediately call this fake. Why do you ask?

Throughtout the video, she never screams or shouts or demands to be let out right now. If someone was truly being tickled against their will, I would assume that they would be at the very least be doing that, telling them she is going to the police if they don't comply.

Also, every single time Kamianio stops tickling her, he makes up some half hearted attempt like " Please don't go. This is only a massage chair" and she goes " Well, okay. One more minute of tickling and that's it. I have a lot of work to do." Does not sound like a nonconsensual victim to me..

What video is this?

 

[COOLCAT88]

What video is this?

Nonconsensual 2..

 

[TangerineTicklee]

I wish I could just see a clip of it. Not the whole thing, but just a clip.

I feel very iffy about this to start with. I think the prostitute should press charges, if she's truly affected. If not, then I don't think anything should be done about it unless she wants something to be done about it. She's the victim and - if it's actually true that this has never happened before in TicklingParadise - it didn't happen to anyone else.

If it's really not that big of a deal to her or to the ticklers, then I think it should just be let go.

 

[SteakDinnerBoom]

I've seen it and...

I CALL SHENANIGANS!!!

 

[msangerl]

The only thought regarding this particular video that I've read here today (and it's true this ha been beaten to death) that in anyway is thought provoking is the claim that she appears in another film to which I am not familiar with nor will I come out of pocket to see (just not a big fan of their work). What I do know is consistent with some aforementioned comments regarding her consumate acting abilities assuming the project was a fake. I am a huge fan of cinema and have taken graduate level film production course work at U.C.L.A and have never witnessed a performance like that ever by any actress (and I've scrutinized the film since I purchased it). Someone earlier commented that no one, no agent, would pass up the opportunity to represent such a talent and her name would be a household word. Period! The spurious claim that those involved would be in jail actually supports this assertion because any real actress bringing home a regular paycheck would prosecute to the fullest while an ametuer/prostitute/hustler could and would be very amenable to signing a release of obligation for a cut of the profits once she has cooled down, realized she was not physically injured and explained the novel asopects and potential sales power of a film depicting something fetishests have been constantly reading about yet never have seen. A girl living John to John would be very impressionable in terms of convincing her that the sales potential and therefore here "take home" could be enormous. Combine that with the sad but true fact that her given ocuppation would not lend itself to much credibility nor motivation by authorities to pursue. That's the truth whether you agree with it or not

 

[Tickle Abuse]

The only thought regarding this particular video that I've read here today (and it's true this ha been beaten to death) that in anyway is thought provoking is the claim that she appears in another film to which I am not familiar with nor will I come out of pocket to see (just not a big fan of their work). What I do know is consistent with some aforementioned comments regarding her consumate acting abilities assuming the project was a fake. I am a huge fan of cinema and have taken graduate level film production course work at U.C.L.A and have never witnessed a performance like that ever by any actress (and I've scrutinized the film since I purchased it). Someone earlier commented that no one, no agent, would pass up the opportunity to represent such a talent and her name would be a household word. Period! The spurious claim that those involved would be in jail actually supports this assertion because any real actress bringing home a regular paycheck would prosecute to the fullest while an ametuer/prostitute/hustler could and would be very amenable to signing a release of obligation for a cut of the profits once she has cooled down, realized she was not physically injured and explained the novel asopects and potential sales power of a film depicting something fetishests have been constantly reading about yet never have seen. A girl living John to John would be very impressionable in terms of convincing her that the sales potential and therefore here "take home" could be enormous. Combine that with the sad but true fact that her given ocuppation would not lend itself to much credibility nor motivation by authorities to pursue. That's the truth whether you agree with it or not

I wouldnt think a prostitute would be very impressionable, this is someone who hustles for a living. You could never do this with an actress/model/any other female. If all you are left with is a prostitute, would you do business with one who could just as easily blackmail you for a lot more money? So there are no options, unless you just dont care about going to jail, or getting blackmailed, or hit with a potential civil suit.

I don't think people should go on so much about whether it is staged or not if they are at least convinced that is a well-executed depiction of what it is, a fantasy.

 

[msangerl]

Good point abuse but the other side of the coin is that there was very little (maybe nothing) in terms of equipment (ie lighting, set, etc) other than a hand held camera. How do we know this? Because that is the only unusual thing that she recognizes in the room and plays up to it. If she had refused to support the film post filming it would have been quite easy to throw the camera and tape in a car, take off and hide it. We know the police would be slow to respond given both the nature and probably unbelievable and garbbled call she would make, in addition to the fact that we know wherever it was shot was a remote location as the paradise folks not only commented on it but told her noone would hear her scream (despite gag and closing window). If the girl took off and left the guy, there would be no evidence to support her claim as she also was not physically injured. I'm not going to go into it but I know the reality of how this would go down and if anything she would be arrested for prostitution (again assuming no marks which I never saw anything that would have left a physical injury). The guy would have had to stay both incase he had to run interfearence for the gal with the camera and to explain why the chick was there and it is possible he could have gotten a solicitation charge. But you could also assume that was the back up plan so he would have explained it to her and most likely in that case after what she went through getting arrested probably would not have sounded as good as a bath at her place (with a couple of Valiums). What do you think?

 

[vladtickleman22]

I don't understand why people keep going back to the "they'd be in jail" and "she could go to the cops" angles. We're talking about someone who was supposedly a prostitute. There is not going to be any police involvement. She's going to go back to her pimp and inform him they did stuff to her not previously agreed to. Pimp sends people to go kill those who did something they shouldn't have to his property. Unless of course enforcers are not across the street or in the very next room making sure nothing that shouldn't happen does.

 

[Oddjob0226]

I don't understand why people keep going back to the "they'd be in jail" and "she could go to the cops" angles. We're talking about someone who was supposedly a prostitute. There is not going to be any police involvement. She's going to go back to her pimp and inform him they did stuff to her not previously agreed to. Pimp sends people to go kill those who did something they shouldn't have to his property. Unless of course enforcers are not across the street or in the very next room making sure nothing that shouldn't happen does.

"Dolomite" was a fun movie, wasn't it?

She wasn't a prostitute, at least not in the sense of what the video tries to forward as a plot point. She's in one of the audition clips on the Tickling Paradise site, before this video was ever made. She knew these folks employed A.) tickling and B.) a camera in return for C.) money before she was ever bedbound. The background of the video is a fictional story. The entire setup is a work of fiction, created by writing, acting, editing and equipment (it looks like you can see a small light setup in the reflection of the frame glass in the pictures over the bed).

There's even references to "Blair Witch Project" in the video.... the main character is named "Heather", the video is shot hand-held, and the camera gets knocked over in the ending.

The only real thing about the video, I truly think, are her reactions. And even then I'm not convinced she was 'tricked' into anything so much as (possibly?) paid more to truly go beyond her limits, nonstop. Even then, she got breaks and the camera was turned off long enough that it had to be re-white balanced ( but from time to time, wasn't ).

Prostitutes do involve the police when necessary I know that it happened in my hometown in 1984 when a bondage session landed the escort in the hospital. A hooker that I know, trying to leave the business, is going to police right now to end the cyber harassment that she's been getting from the owner of a Korean bath house.

 

[Sandisk444]

I'm sure that she consented and was just acting otherwise she could sue them and press charges

she's a prostitute, she would have been arrested on that as well...

if it's real i do find it disturbing that people would do that to someone, kinda degrating regardless of who you are

 

[vladtickleman22]

"Dolomite" was a fun movie, wasn't it?

This smartass remark is useless.

She wasn't a prostitute, at least not in the sense of what the video tries to forward as a plot point. She's in one of the audition clips on the Tickling Paradise site, before this video was ever made. She knew these folks employed A.) tickling and B.) a camera in return for C.) money before she was ever bedbound. The background of the video is a fictional story. The entire setup is a work of fiction, created by writing, acting, editing and equipment (it looks like you can see a small light setup in the reflection of the frame glass in the pictures over the bed).

There's even references to "Blair Witch Project" in the video.... the main character is named "Heather", the video is shot hand-held, and the camera gets knocked over in the ending.

The only real thing about the video, I truly think, are her reactions. And even then I'm not convinced she was 'tricked' into anything so much as (possibly?) paid more to truly go beyond her limits, nonstop. Even then, she got breaks and the camera was turned off long enough that it had to be re-white balanced ( but from time to time, wasn't ).

Prostitutes do involve the police when necessary I know that it happened in my hometown in 1984 when a bondage session landed the escort in the hospital. A hooker that I know, trying to leave the business, is going to police right now to end the cyber harassment that she's been getting from the owner of a Korean bath house.

I never said that i thought the video was real nor that she was definately a prostitute. I said i didn't understand why people thought she'd go to the cops.

The first one you're talking about ended up in the hospital. More then likely with bruises and cuts which could actually be SEEN. Hence could be PROVEN as abuse. The second again has some form of proof of something which is actually illegal and can be proven as such. Anybody going to the cops saying "i was just tied to a bed and tickled then given a wad of cash for it" is going to be told to fuck off. Actually more then likely detained for admiting an act of prostitution.

 

[rhiannon]

Let's look at it this way...someone who is actually really a prostitute in the states does something illegal...would she have let herself getting filmed then? I doubt it. And as far as I remember, the knew about the camera upfront.

Plus, her acting isn't really that great...she does repeat the same sentences oooover and over an ooover again. And it seems like every time she says a certain thing, the ler gives her a break and moves to another spot.

 

[maniactickler]

The non consensual 2 video is definately not real.

 

[COOLCAT88]

The non consensual 2 video is definately not real.

And how did you come to that conclusion, Dr. Watson?