Obama has the Nomination!!!!

[OceansGamble]

I was never too pleased with the batch of candidates this time around anyways, but I'm happy that Clinton didn't win the nomination. I never really trusted her word. Ah, this whole country is going to hell in a handbasket it seems...maybe I'll move to another country. >> Australia, anyone?

 

[RedMan01]

I live in Mexico

but I was born in the US (Arizona), and personally I don't agree with all three of them I have a little more respect for Barack as wants the Armenian Genocide acknowledged, but his other policies aren't that great, if Nader is on the Armenians side, then I want him to win, cuz he is the only giving which can bring change.

Note this is me and my oppinion, so before everyone goes into hispanic panic, I'm not trying to influence anyone just saying my opinion (which is not neccesarily that of Mexicans, Chicanos or Armenians, Iranians, etc.)

 

[Crushertitan]

Haha.

Hah! To heck with McCain and Obama... Popeye for prez!

 

[Rox_My_Sox1]

Barrak would be an utter fool not to accept Clinton as his vice pres. I mean, it would all but hand him the presidency if he did have Hilary as vice.

 

[Journia]

vice....such vice...XD

 

[Excess]

but I was born in the US (Arizona), and personally I don't agree with all three of them I have a little more respect for Barack as wants the Armenian Genocide acknowledged, but his other policies aren't that great, if Nader is on the Armenians side, then I want him to win, cuz he is the only giving which can bring change.

Note this is me and my oppinion, so before everyone goes into hispanic panic, I'm not trying to influence anyone just saying my opinion (which is not neccesarily that of Mexicans, Chicanos or Armenians, Iranians, etc.)

Nader? Win? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[BigNorm]

I think I speak for everyone when I say...IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME! Let us all celebrate. 😀

i simply love excess' siggy picture, and i do believe that that is Obama's missile defence plan

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

ugh... to me it feels like im screwed anyway i vote. im SO ready to move to Canada! they have legal weed there xDDDD

 

[RedMan01]

Yes Nader

Nader? Win? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAH AHAHAHA

Yes as he wants to stop Turkey's expansion and corporate excess and imperialism, maybe giving Armenia a better chance and maybe finally a Kurdistan and Assyria, but maybe you think its funny the million of suffering Kurds in Eastern Turkey and Armenian, like poor Hrant Dink in 2006?

 

[SilverleafLycan1]

Obama + Hillary = Fail

I just can't see how people think it would work. You have an extremely divided democratic party, who saw two candidates with two very different opinions, and just because you put them together does not mean that suddenly they mesh perfectly. It will simply lead to the populace being more confused and wondering what the democratic party is doing.

Anyways, I am quite pleased that Obama got the nomination (which I had expected him to for awhile now). It's not so much that I like Obama, it's more because of extreme dislike of Hillary. I just really want to see more of how he plans to change america as opposed to hearing, "Yes we can!"

 

[TheChameleon]

fires that put themselves out? presidential talk without explosions?

I love this place.

 

[Timewarp]

I would vote....but then again given the choice. I don't want to be part of who will get us blown up first race.

 

[Rox_My_Sox1]

Yes as he wants to stop Turkey's expansion and corporate excess and imperialism, maybe giving Armenia a better chance and maybe finally a Kurdistan and Assyria, but maybe you think its funny the million of suffering Kurds in Eastern Turkey and Armenian, like poor Hrant Dink in 2006?

Nader may be a good man with noble ideals but without the support or the money that Obama or McCain has he doesn't stand a chance. No offense meant as I'm sure you have your reasons for voting for Nader. It's just not likely he'll win thats all.

 

[Wade1]

You have an extremely divided democratic party, who saw two candidates with two very different opinions, and just because you put them together does not mean that suddenly they mesh perfectly.

Well, part of the problem of course was that Hillary and Obama didn't have radically different opinions; their platforms, apart from some minor policy details, were very similar. So in that sense they could share the ticket comfortably, and if it meant bringing their respective groups of supporters together that could be powerful. Of course, their pools of supporters overlap big-time (again, because of those similar platforms, anyone who's interested in voting for one in November will probably be willing to vote for the other), so sharing a ticket might not net the party a significant gain.

Besides, I agree that it's hard to picture them sharing a ticket, if only because they both have ambition and star power--either one of them as a vice-presidential candidate would pull focus from the other as a presidential candidate.

 

[Cbarton]

Change? The only change we'll get from Obama-rama is the loose change in our pockets when he and the Demo's in Congress high up our taxes to kingdom come. Let them get control and you'll see what a recession really looks like. Anyone remember the 'misery index' from the Carter presidency? Vote Obama-rama and the Demo's and its 1976-1980 all over again.

New Ideas? He doesn't share them in any detail because HE HAS NONE! He spouts the same ultra-liberal race-baiting, U.S. bashing, false economic lies they've been chanting the last 20 years. "ahh..you're all poor victims...let me take care of you rather than you take resposibility for your own actions, and enslave you the gov't programs the rest of your life..."

He's a plastic Messiah figure. And no, I'm not a racist pig as those will call me because I don't support him (as those in the press already paint those who critisize him). To copy off Slick Willie, "It's his record, stupid!" He has done hardly anything as a Senator and what he has done is off the charts ultra-lib. If McCain hung around the people that Obama-rama associates with, it would be front page in big fonts every day waring us of the corrupt influences he has. Wake up, people. He's nothing new, offering the same old stuff.

No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.

 

[juggernaut]

Change? The only change we'll get from Obama-rama is the loose change in our pockets when he and the Demo's in Congress high up our taxes to kingdom come. Let them get control and you'll see what a recession really looks like. Anyone remember the 'misery index' from the Carter presidency? Vote Obama-rama and the Demo's and its 1976-1980 all over again.

New Ideas? He doesn't share them in any detail because HE HAS NONE! He spouts the same ultra-liberal race-baiting, U.S. bashing, false economic lies they've been chanting the last 20 years. "ahh..you're all poor victims...let me take care of you rather than you take resposibility for your own actions, and enslave you the gov't programs the rest of your life..."

He's a plastic Messiah figure. And no, I'm not a racist pig as those will call me because I don't support him (as those in the press already paint those who critisize him). To copy off Slick Willie, "It's his record, stupid!" He has done hardly anything as a Senator and what he has done is off the charts ultra-lib. If McCain hung around the people that Obama-rama associates with, it would be front page in big fonts every day waring us of the corrupt influences he has. Wake up, people. He's nothing new, offering the same old stuff.

No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.

Amen to that. And even more troubling is the new generation of voters who keep saying things like "McCain just looks like a mean old man" and find Obama more appealing because he's younger. We voting for the most handsome? Better teeth will rule the free world? This guy has done nothing. And to stand and talk about what a proud moment it is for african americans is bs, too. Does this all of a sudden open up a bunch of closed doors I'm unaware of? Is there going to be a "shift in power" now to AA's if he wins?

Will he or won't he make a good president: that's all that matters. I wasn't against Hillary because she's a woman... it's because she's a Clinton. I couldn't care less what color or sex they are. Being younger doesn't make him hip or relatable. And the new young batch of voters who think he's better than "that old man" are a large part of the group looking for their first real job, looking to buy their first home, etc, and they're going to find out that this guy's train of thought will affect their lives directly, regardless of where they live.

 

[Wade1]

Amen to that. And even more troubling is the new generation of voters who keep saying things like "McCain just looks like a mean old man" and find Obama more appealing because he's younger. We voting for the most handsome? Better teeth will rule the free world? This guy has done nothing. And to stand and talk about what a proud moment it is for african americans is bs, too. Does this all of a sudden open up a bunch of closed doors I'm unaware of? Is there going to be a "shift in power" now to AA's if he wins?

Well, it is a significant moment; forty years ago it was unthinkable that a black man or a white woman would have a shot at the presidency; forty years ago, it was nearly unthinkable that such a thing could happen in as soon as forty years. So one needn't support Obama to acknowledge that his accomplishment reflects a significant--and salutary--milestone in American history.

I agree that voting for presidents based on likability is a bad idea; that's how we ended up with George W. Bush, twice. But I still think that Obama and McCain are both more appealing and worthwhile candidates than anyone who's run for president possibly in my lifetime.

 

[Wade1]

If McCain hung around the people that Obama-rama associates with, it would be front page in big fonts every day waring us of the corrupt influences he has.

I doubt that. One think Obama and McCain have in common is that they're both media darlings. They both have a history of getting free passes from the press.

 

[august spies]

Amen to that. And even more troubling is the new generation of voters who keep saying things like "McCain just looks like a mean old man" and find Obama more appealing because he's younger. We voting for the most handsome? Better teeth will rule the free world? This guy has done nothing. And to stand and talk about what a proud moment it is for african americans is bs, too. Does this all of a sudden open up a bunch of closed doors I'm unaware of? Is there going to be a "shift in power" now to AA's if he wins?

Will he or won't he make a good president: that's all that matters. I wasn't against Hillary because she's a woman... it's because she's a Clinton. I couldn't care less what color or sex they are. Being younger doesn't make him hip or relatable. And the new young batch of voters who think he's better than "that old man" are a large part of the group looking for their first real job, looking to buy their first home, etc, and they're going to find out that this guy's train of thought will affect their lives directly, regardless of where they live.

its actually a good sign that younger voters are drifting away from the nightmare that is represented by McCain. That is not to say obama is perfect either.

 

[artsytickler]

So, anwser this Nerrad:

you want more 4,5, and 6$ gas.
you want to remain in a pointless war, which was started on unreliable circumstances.
you want to keep funding a stupid plan called "No Child Left Behind", which isnt getting us anywhere.
and, you want to elect someone (twice MY age anyways), who has a complete different set of ideas than I(still in my case)


you've got to be kidding me if you say,
"Yes, i think he's great"

You say Obama is nothing new? McCain is just going to be the third Bush and definitely won't change a damn thing.

 

[Journia]

No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.

Or Kenyan Bacon.

 

[juggernaut]

So, anwser this Nerrad:

you want more 4,5, and 6$ gas.
you want to remain in a pointless war, which was started on unreliable circumstances.
you want to keep funding a stupid plan called "No Child Left Behind", which isnt getting us anywhere.
and, you want to elect someone (twice MY age anyways), who has a complete different set of ideas than I(still in my case)


you've got to be kidding me if you say,
"Yes, i think he's great"

You say Obama is nothing new? McCain is just going to be the third Bush and definitely won't change a damn thing.

If you read it again, I never said he was great. Nor did I say I was retarded and wanted any of those things. I didn't even say I liked McCain. But regardless of what I like, we get two choices this fall. One or the other.

[And what does his age have to do with anything? At all?]

The president doesn't run the country, the Senate does. The president is the guy in front of the camera. So if you want to complain about gas, it's not the president. That's like getting mad at the guy in the truck when your cable quits working.

Right now the US standing in the world has changed and slipped. Obama doesn't have one second of experience with foreign affairs. Neither did W and look how that worked. I'll take a guy with experience over the young guy with empty promises. He can't lower gas prices. He can't even authorize drilling our own oil in our own territories. And honestly, I don't like the prices, but Europeans pay almost twice what we do. So until it hits $8, I'll consider myself ahead of the game.

I don't hate Obama. I personally just don't think he's ready. Hillary was better prepared, but still not my choice.

 

[ohstalon06]

I don't like the prices, but Europeans pay almost twice what we do. So until it hits $8, I'll consider myself ahead of the game.

But understand, Europeans have much more robust public transportation services than here in the States. Not only that, people actually live IN the major cities where they work so that's why the $8 a gallon gas doesn't bother them so much.

Change? The only change we'll get from Obama-rama is the loose change in our pockets when he and the Demo's in Congress high up our taxes to kingdom come

Yeah well maybe if Bush hadn't put us in the current state (read-DEFICIT), Obama wouldn't have to hike up our taxes. or would you rather McCain win and still hear every 3 months for the next 4 years about record profits from the oil companies while senate republicans continue to offer tax breaks to those guys, when they are pocketing $9 Billion per quarter?

 

[Cbarton]

Ah yes...how little people remember recent history...

Age has nothing to do with it. When I was in college, a man thought to old to serve ran....his name was Ronald Reagan, the greatest president we've had in recent history. I always find it interesting how all the libs thought it was terrible that Strom Thurmond stayed in the Senate so long, but none of them complain of Ted Kennedy or "Sheets" Byrd staying as long as THEY have...

And excuse me...it's ALL the politicians with their hands in the oil money bag. The past policies of previosu administrations post-Reagan has caused all these problems. Environmental policies have made us dependent on foreign oil by blocking production of refineries and new drilling. Katrina made the refinery problem all too clear. Now, other countries can gouge us. These are INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS here, not USA only. This has been brewing for years.

If Clinton (another foreign relation rookie as Obama-rama will be) had handled things the way it should have been, 911 and it's aftermath would not have occurred. But instead, he made his policy decisions based on opinion polls rather than by sound principles. Now, another President has to clean up a failed President's mess.

Dont get me wrong. Somethings about Bush I don't like. He's too moderate for my tastes. But he was a far better option than Algore or Kerry.. I shudder to think of how much worse it would have been with them in the Oval Office...

Clinton had deficits too...the only reason that he signed Welfare reform and cut spending was because he didn't have the support politically and in the streets.

The probs in the US have been growing since Bush 41. To lay it all on Bush 43 shows a lack of historical perspective and lazy thinking

 

[Wade1]

The probs in the US have been growing since Bush 41. To lay it all on Bush 43 shows a lack of historical perspective and lazy thinking

True. Indeed, the problems go back further than Bush 41. But Bush 43 makes himself a lightning rod by consistently exercising some of the poorest judgment the Oval Office has ever seen. Like Clinton before him, he hands his critics ammunition on a silver platter.

I think George Will's pretty close to the mark when he accuses Bush 43 of creating and perpetrating "the worst foreign policy debacle in the nation’s history.” (Of course, I also appreciate Will's refusal to indulge in mindless veneration of Reagan, whose presidency was also wildly flawed.)