oh how SWEET it is!!!! no ring for "Fat Boy"....

[primetime]

well since my Lakers were at home watching the playoffs this year, i did get one once of hapiness. Shaquille "Fat Boy" Oneal will NOT get a ring this year. the good thing? he gets another year older and his body is already breaking down. GREAT JOB Detroit Pistons!!!!!!!!!

now i know some of you will say i have sour grapes and all and guess what? YES I DO!!!! but, all i heard all year long was how Shaq was so great and he was the ONLY reason why the Lakers won titles. it was NOT just Shaq. it was Shaq, Kobe, Phil Jackson and the rest of the crew that won those titles. Shaq couldnt carry the Heat could he?

the Heat live and die with Dwyane Wade, NOT Shaq. with Wade injured, the Heat's fate was sealed. Shaq or no Shaq, the Heat can win. without Wade, NO CHANCE IN HELL. now i love Wade's ability, but he couldnt carry the Heat when it mattered most. he was hurt? yes he was, but Jordan had the flu before and he won. i am sick and tired of everyone bashing Kobe Bryant and blaming him for the Laker's failure last year. the funniest thing is, after the game tonight, Charles Barkely, Kenny Smith and Magic Johnson had this to say. "He didnt get his teammates involved. he should have passed more. He shouldnt have been the aggressor and should have been a decoy. because he didnt get his teammates involved, the role players didnt contribute." those were the comments they made about Wade in Game 7. now, where have we heard those comments before? yep, the same crap is said about Kobe Bryant....

yes, i have sour grapes. yes the Lakers suck and they didnt make the playoffs and Kobe Bryant is the reason why there is evil on the planet and gas prices are high. it's all Kobe's fault that there is widespread disease and famine and the cause for all natural disasters. but, SHAQ LOSES!!!! SHAQ LOSES!!!! SHAQ LOSES!!!!!!

how sweet it is.........

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Gloating Primetime? How far in the playoffs did Kobe go? I will predict this now Kobe will NEVER win another ring as long as he is in the NBA and he has many years left but he will NEVER EVER WIN again. He is to selfish( having sex with other women and chasing Shaq out of town ) and wants to be the MAN. He will never be the man. He will always be the man who CHEATED on his beautiful wife Vanessa. That is all Kobe is. A CHEATER.

 

[Krokus]

Nah, he won't win another. Dwayne Wade played better this year and he's only in his second year. In fact, I don't see the lakers making the playoffs for a long, long time. And even if they did manage it, they would get KO'd in the first round most likely.

 

[Stevereeno]

Of all women to have an extra curricular activity with, Kobe gets involved with a woman that has a personality disorder. Shaq is dead weight on the court. Make Shaq actually play basketball, and Shaq wears down quite easy. I hope that the NBA and the players are able to agree on a salary cap, because there could be no basketball along with hockey next year.

 

[primetime]

ah yes, the Laker haters always show their true colors. guess what folks, i was watching sports shows on ESPN and guess what they were talking about? of course, the Heat-Pistons story. there was a guy who actually said on national television "Dwyane Wade is a selfish basketball player." now, here comes the wolves who love to blame everybody but Shaq for playoff failures. Wade selfish? gee, where have we heard those comments before?

face it, Shaq is a SHAM. he doesnt make his "sidekicks" better, his "sidekicks" make him look good. without Penny, Kobe or Wade, Shaq never makes the finals. case in point, without Kobe, the Spurs eliminate the Lakers in the playoffs several times. who, time and time again, foil the Spurs in the 4th quarter? Kobe Bryant. in game 6 of the Heat-Pistons series this year, when Shaq did not have Wade, what happens? an ass kicking. Shaq CAN NOT carry a team UNLESS he has a superstar guard on his team. LEARN THE TRUTH folks and look at things without those Shaq-colored glasses on.

as for Kobe getting rid of Shaq. stop listening to the Shaq lovers and research it yourself. Kobe had NOTHING to do with Shaq leaving. basically, the Laker management didnt want to pay "Fat Boy" 30 million dollars a year if he continues to be fat and out of shape. read Shaq's comments during that period and read Jerry Buss' comments. it was about MONEY, not Kobe Bryant. stop blaming Kobe for all what is wrong with the world. the ONLY thing you should ever be mad at is him cheating on his wife, but then again, do you feel as passionately about other men who cheat on their wives (Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan) as you do Kobe? stop hatin on the guy. yeah, he f*cked up, but why hate his basketball career? why blame him for basketball stuff he didnt do? is he a saint? NO. is he human? YES. will people ever forgive Kobe, even though he didnt do anything to them personally? the only people who should "hate" Kobe is his wife and his family as he nearly destroyed that. we yucks, who pay money to see basketball, his personal failure has nothing to do with us. because if it does, do you realize that many NBA basketball players would be hated? stop hatin on the guy.

and one more thing, to the Laker haters, you damn well know we will be back. why? because we are the Lakers and your team isnt.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

ah yes, the Laker haters always show their true colors. guess what folks, i was watching sports shows on ESPN and guess what they were talking about? of course, the Heat-Pistons story. there was a guy who actually said on national television "Dwyane Wade is a selfish basketball player." now, here comes the wolves who love to blame everybody but Shaq for playoff failures. Wade selfish? gee, where have we heard those comments before?

face it, Shaq is a SHAM. he doesnt make his "sidekicks" better, his "sidekicks" make him look good. without Penny, Kobe or Wade, Shaq never makes the finals. case in point, without Kobe, the Spurs eliminate the Lakers in the playoffs several times. who, time and time again, foil the Spurs in the 4th quarter? Kobe Bryant. in game 6 of the Heat-Pistons series this year, when Shaq did not have Wade, what happens? an ass kicking. Shaq CAN NOT carry a team UNLESS he has a superstar guard on his team. LEARN THE TRUTH folks and look at things without those Shaq-colored glasses on.

as for Kobe getting rid of Shaq. stop listening to the Shaq lovers and research it yourself. Kobe had NOTHING to do with Shaq leaving. basically, the Laker management didnt want to pay "Fat Boy" 30 million dollars a year if he continues to be fat and out of shape. read Shaq's comments during that period and read Jerry Buss' comments. it was about MONEY, not Kobe Bryant. stop blaming Kobe for all what is wrong with the world. the ONLY thing you should ever be mad at is him cheating on his wife, but then again, do you feel as passionately about other men who cheat on their wives (Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan) as you do Kobe? stop hatin on the guy. yeah, he f*cked up, but why hate his basketball career? why blame him for basketball stuff he didnt do? is he a saint? NO. is he human? YES. will people ever forgive Kobe, even though he didnt do anything to them personally? the only people who should "hate" Kobe is his wife and his family as he nearly destroyed that. we yucks, who pay money to see basketball, his personal failure has nothing to do with us. because if it does, do you realize that many NBA basketball players would be hated? stop hatin on the guy.

and one more thing, to the Laker haters, you damn well know we will be back. why? because we are the Lakers and your team isnt.

That is like saying that Kobe didn't have sex with another woman that he didn't get Shaq traded. But if Kobe were so GOOD answer this question. WHY DIDN"T HE GET TO THE PLAYOFFS? The Heat Did. Why didn't the HOLLYWOOD FAKERS ( that is Los Angeles Lakers ) make it? Was it because Karl Malone looked at Vanessa Bryant wrong? Was it because Kobe wants to have sex with another Colorado woman? Or was it because Kobe just plain isn't that good without Shaq? Keep in mind that Shaq averaged I think it was 33 points a game against the Pistons in the Finals last year( that number I will look up to make sure ). What did Kobe do? Please don't recite to me one game. I will recite your Lakers entire season and playoffs. Kobe was nothing before Shaq and will be nothing now that Shaq is gone. FYI, I don't even LIKE Shaq. I think he is a jerk too. But he is a winner. BTW, you mentioned Penny where has he been since Shaq left for Hollywood? How many rings has he won as a starting point guard since Shaq bolted? Get my point?

 

[morefeatherz]

The way I see it is the Heat will only get better. It was Shaq's first year with Miami and Wade is the new star of the future. It's very hard to develop team chemistry in just one year. But Wade and Shaq did it all the way to a game 7. This loss could be the best thing to happen to Wade. Now maybe he won't get "Kobeidus" because he knows what a humbling loss feels like. Yes Wade lost but he will be back. So will Shaq.

The Lakers had a ton more "All stars" than the Heat did this year and they were lucky to avoid a sweep by the Pistons.

If Kobe couldn't win with the "All stars" (Shaq, Malone, Peyton, etc.) how was he supposed to win without them?

 

[Krokus]

It's so funny to see disgruntled LA fans whine and whine about shaq. They hate him so, yet it's so PAINFULLY obvious they woud give anything to have had him stay. Nobody here cares about the lakers. I don't like or dislike the team. It's just that it's obvious to any basketball fan, and I've been one for a long, long time, that without shaq in LA, there will be no more titles. There would have been no titles without him. That was proven this year. Hell, they couldn't even win one with malone, payton, Shaq and kobe....which is beyond me. To me, Detroit right now is the shining example of how team basketball is meant to be played. LA's "dynasty" (not really, Jordans Bulls with 6 nba titles or THE DYNASTY, the boston celtics, the most successful team in american sports history, other than the yankees) is over. I think San Antonio is about to win another title. They are a good example of how to keep a solid TEAM together and win titles. Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Bowen ect. An all around excellent squad who will moast likely keep on winning titles.

The phoenix suns are the team of the future IMO. as long as they can add some key players, Nash, Marion and IMO, the most dominant player in the nba (at least, in the future) amare stoudemire, will be winning titles in the years to come. All they need is Defense.


but hey, we will just see how good the lakers are next year.

so nice to see new teams on the rise though, the bulls, wizards, suns, sonics, rockets ect. ..refreshing.

oh yea...and...GO ROCKETS. Next year, T-Mac will reign baby. (I can only pray YAO improves) ..hopefully they can bring some more championships to clutch city.

 

[natural tickler]

Primetime, I have great respect for ya as a story writer, but you are starting to get on my nerves now hating on Shaq. I like Shaq, but he isn't my favorite player. You also forgot the Shaq wasn't a 100% either, just like Wade. Yes, Shaq isn't in the finals, but at least he was in the playoffs. You say Kobe is a great player? Well, I have evidence to the contrary. With the players Kobe had from Miami this year, he didn't even make it to .500, let alone the playoffs. With the same players from Miami last year, Wade almost made it to the Eastern conference finals. What does that say about your boy?? He can't make his players better, a true sign of a great player. You're in denial, buddy, the Lakers will never again win the title, as long as Kobe is on it. The man has great ability, but a selfish player. You must have on knee pads, because you are sucking too hard. Come up for air. He is responsible for the collapse of the Lakers, and he has no one to blame but himself. He better remember and never forget: him being a sidekick won him three titles. He should never bite the hand that helped get there. Remember this too: Shaq cannot be stopped, when 100%. The Pistons showed how ineffective Kobe can be. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Primetime, I have great respect for ya as a story writer, but you are starting to get on my nerves now hating on Shaq. I like Shaq, but he isn't my favorite player. You also forgot the Shaq wasn't a 100% either, just like Wade. Yes, Shaq isn't in the finals, but at least he was in the playoffs. You say Kobe is a great player? Well, I have evidence to the contrary. With the players Kobe had from Miami this year, he didn't even make it to .500, let alone the playoffs. With the same players from Miami last year, Wade almost made it to the Eastern conference finals. What does that say about your boy?? He can't make his players better, a true sign of a great player. You're in denial, buddy, the Lakers will never again win the title, as long as Kobe is on it. The man has great ability, but a selfish player. You must have on knee pads, because you are sucking too hard. Come up for air. He is responsible for the collapse of the Lakers, and he has no one to blame but himself. He better remember and never forget: him being a sidekick won him three titles. He should never bite the hand that helped get there. Remember this too: Shaq cannot be stopped, when 100%. The Pistons showed how ineffective Kobe can be. Put that in your pipe and smoke it

Oh wow Natural. You and I agreeing on something? I guess there is a first time for everything partner. I have been saying that as well. Kobe is a disease to the Hollywood Fakers and they will NEVER win again as long as Kobe is on that team.

 

[MrMacphisto]

I'm not much into the NBA, but I have only one word for Shaq: Kazaam.

 

[primetime]

first, before i get started, i hope everyone involved in this thread realize that i have nothing personal against you. this thread is going to be interesting and there will be clash of opinions. no real animosity towards any of you, just good natured fun.

now that the disclaimer is out of the way, what do you people smoke when you write your opinions? did any of you really pay any attention to the whole "Laker" breakup? it is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that Shaq left not because of Kobe, but because of M-O-N-E-Y. plain and simple. MONEY. now, people who had paid attention to the whole scene would have listened to Shaq's comments, Kobe's comments and Jerry Buss' comments. my goodness people, did those comments blind you? here's the story.....

after the Pistons beat the Lakers in game 5 last year, Kobe Bryant was asked about Phil Jackson and Shaq. Kobe SAID "I could play with Phil and Shaq forever..." oh i know, i know, you are all saying he's lying. but the point is, HE SAID IT. what was Shaq's response to Kobe's answer? "...everyone must do what's best for him. i will ALWAYS do what's best for me..." there's a freakin clue people, a FREAKIN clue.

remember what Shaq said when he got to Miami? he said, "The Heat are on the brink of a championship IF they do the RIGHT things. the right things are: MATHEMATICALLY and bringing in good players." HELLO!!!! Earth to Kobe haters!!! what do you think "mathematically" means? MONEY.....

during training camp of Shaq's last season in LA, Shaq made a dunk, ran back down court and shouted in front of everyone at Jerry Buss, "PAY ME!". anyone seeing a pattern now? like Cabanaboy wrote, we LA fans know how Orlando fans felt when Shaq left in 1996. by the way, remember Shaq's comments when he left Orlando? "Orlando is a dried up little pond..." anybody noticing a pattern here?

notice that all of those points do not involve Kobe. hell, did any of you pay attention to Jerry Buss' words about Shaq? he even said that he wasnt going to pay Shaq 30 million dollars a year for 2 years if he continues to come into camp fat and out of shape. he even said that had Shaq had the dedication he showed AFTER he was traded to getting into shape, he would be a Laker today. of course Shaq's response was "i play for a real owner now...". the Heat owner is a real owner? Buss has 8 CHAMPIONSHIPS and the Heat owner has ZERO titles, plus ZERO Finals appearances. folks, Shaq's departure had NOTHING to do with Kobe Bryant, much to your chagrin.

now, about Mr. Bryant. let me ask you haters this. WHY do you dislike Kobe? he cheated on his wife? then HATE Michael Jordan AND Magic Johnson. what does his personal life have to do with his basketball talents? now, take away his personal life, why do you hate Kobe Bryant? what has he done to be called "selfish"? give me your REAL opinion, dont go off what the media says, GIVE ME YOUR REASONS WHY. break it down for me. Kobe usually leads the Lakers in assists. do selfish players do that? if you were to actually average his shot attempts, he was second to Shaq during their tenure together. Kobe Bryant is NOT supposed to lead the team in assists. he is NOT the point guard. he is the SHOOTING guard. did Jordan lead the Bulls in assists? no. for all these haters to say Kobe should pass more, just when exactly is he supposed to shoot? i want you haters to break it down in basketball sense on why Kobe is "selfish". dont give me the whole "he cheated on his wife" spiel because it makes you look like you have no clue on anything.

now, you silly people. you LOVE to talk about the Laker's season. well gosh darn it, let's take a closer look. did any of you REALLY pay attention to the Laker season, or did you see box scores and laugh? to make a point, let's review the Laker rosters of their 2003-2004 team and the 2004-2005 team.

03-04: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton, Fisher. with Fox, Devean George and Kareem Rush contributing key points. Phil Jackson coach.

04-05: Kobe, Odom, Mihm, Butler, Atkins. with Walton, Brian Grant and Bryan Cook coming off the bench. Coach Rudy Tomjanovich.

anyone notice a GLARING difference? the 04-05 Laker squad was basically a whole new team. and if any of you paid attention during the season, at one point the Lakers were #6 in the West and having a good run. then Rudy T resigns and the interim coach, Frank Hamblen runs the team and tried to run the triangle offense in MIDSEASON without a training camp. they went from a "kick and shoot" offense to the triangle and you people are laughing at the Lakers. NAME ONE TEAM who brings in a NEW roster, have their coach RESIGN in the middle of the season, key injuries and STILL make the playoffs. hello haters, it doesnt happen. yet, all of you say, "see Kobe couldnt do it." MICHAEL JORDAN COULDNT HAVE DONE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! get real people, get real!!

now about Shaq. just remember this. when the Heat do a stupid thing and pay fatboy his 30 million a year, Shaq is going to "rest" his thigh, eat grilled cheese sandwiches and Krispy Kremes and will come into camp fat and out of shape. remember my words folks, remember my words.

one more thing. all this crap about how Shaq makes a team better. some of you say, "look what happened to Penny..." well, ask yourself this question. can Shaq win a title WITHOUT a superstar guard? take away Penny, take away Kobe, take away Wade. does Shaq still win a title? NO. so dont go around saying all this crap about how great Shaq is when he obviously NEEDS another great superstar. and just because the Heat made it to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals, does not mean next year is their year. let's take a look at a few instances....

1) anybody remember the Portland Trailblazers? they had a young, athletic squad and lost game 7 of the Western Conference Finals against the Lakers. what happened to them?

2) anybody remember the Sac Kings in 2002? great exciting team that lost in game 7 AT HOME to the Lakers and brought everyone back the following season. what happened to them?

3) anybody remember the Minnesota Timberwolves in 2004? made the Western Conference Finals and brought EVERYONE BACK in 2005 and what happened to them?

so folks, did any of you follow any of my points? probably not. so, when you do reply to me, can you please bring up some points besides "Kobe is a cheater.." break it down for me. besides, i sense FEAR in all of you. you damn well know the Lakers will be back. you didnt think we would be back after "Showtime" ended. we came back. we will be back. why? because we are the Lakers and your team isnt......

toodles......

 

[kis123]

first, before i get started, i hope everyone involved in this thread realize that i have nothing personal against you. this thread is going to be interesting and there will be clash of opinions. no real animosity towards any of you, just good natured fun.

now, about Mr. Bryant. let me ask you haters this. WHY do you dislike Kobe? he cheated on his wife? then HATE Michael Jordan AND Magic Johnson. what does his personal life have to do with his basketball talents? now, take away his personal life, why do you hate Kobe Bryant? what has he done to be called "selfish"? give me your REAL opinion, dont go off what the media says, GIVE ME YOUR REASONS WHY. break it down for me. Kobe usually leads the Lakers in assists. do selfish players do that? if you were to actually average his shot attempts, he was second to Shaq during their tenure together. Kobe Bryant is NOT supposed to lead the team in assists. he is NOT the point guard. he is the SHOOTING guard. did Jordan lead the Bulls in assists? no. for all these haters to say Kobe should pass more, just when exactly is he supposed to shoot? i want you haters to break it down in basketball sense on why Kobe is "selfish". dont give me the whole "he cheated on his wife" spiel because it makes you look like you have no clue on anything.

so folks, did any of you follow any of my points? probably not. so, when you do reply to me, can you please bring up some points besides "Kobe is a cheater.." break it down for me. besides, i sense FEAR in all of you. you damn well know the Lakers will be back. you didnt think we would be back after "Showtime" ended. we came back. we will be back. why? because we are the Lakers and your team isnt......

toodles......

I must admit this gentleman has a point. Kobe's a pig when it comes to his faithfulness to his wife. He wouldn't have these problems if he didn't marry the golddigging chick in the first place. He was much too young! She got herself knocked up and told him she'd have an abortion if he didn't marry her. I know some people in LA and that's where the story came from so it could be a lie, or it could be the truth. Happily married men don't cheat!

Besides, Magic Johnson is one (or used to be one) of the biggest *****s in NBA history next to Wilt Chamberlain. I don't need to know how many women they slept with-just shoot the friggin' ball and do your job! Michael Jordan has Juanita at home, yet screws strippers? I have absolutely no respect for him at all! However, he's the one who came in and changed the game of basketball forever! LeBron James had a baby in his teens, it's not stopping him from sold-out crowds everywhere he goes!

Yes, men who cheat really bother me. But the fact of the matter is that many (if not most) do cheat for whatever reason. Take that out of the equation when looking at Kobe and many opinions will change. Besides, he's not standing in front of a microphone making all the noise and keeping all of the crap going is he?

BTW-I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm really not into the NBA at all! They're a bunch of overpaid, whining babies with nothing better to do than to bring shame to themselves, their families, and teammates. You don't see that crap in women's sports (with the exception of the Marion Jones alleged steroid scandal where she tested negative several times, yet still stands accused). Women get paid pocket change in comparison to the men, yet they can manage to stay out of trouble. So since I'm really not an NBA fan, I can voice my opinion from a different perspective. I could care less, therefore my opinion might be less biased than some.

 

[Krokus]

I tried watching the "wnba" and passed out from boredom. There is a reason why women's basketball is so boring; they can't play. They are too short to dunk the ball, and thier game lacks physical play. The WNBA has sported absolute horrid ratings and ticket sales, I give em 3 more years max. If all you wanna see are lame ass layups and little quick release jumphots then by all means, go wnba. For REAL basketball and all that comes with it, the NBA is all this country has ever needed.


As I said earlier, I don't hate the lakers, but im not a fan either. Kobe, just like any other guy OR girl who cheats, is pure trash. No slack for those assholes. He's talented, yes, but he is past his prime and has begun the downward spiral.

(all above was opinion, not fact)

 

[kis123]

I tried watching the "wnba" and passed out from boredom. There is a reason why women's basketball is so boring; they can't play. They are too short to dunk the ball, and thier game lacks physical play. The WNBA has sported absolute horrid ratings and ticket sales, I give em 3 more years max. If all you wanna see are lame ass layups and little quick release jumphots then by all means, go wnba. For REAL basketball and all that comes with it, the NBA is all this country has ever needed. (all above was opinion, not fact)

I'm not going to spend five cents to watch someone jump through the air with a rubber ball-how does that make him above the law or anything else? We accept a lot of crap from athletes and treat them like gods. I don't buy into it and if it isn't on tv, will not buy tickets or expensive concessions to support their horribly overpaid salaries.

Now as far as the WNBA is concerned, have you ever seen Lisa Leslie play? She does dunk at 6'5", and we don't have to hear her dirty laundry being aired out in the media. Also, these women are getting taller and you will see them do some amazing things as time goes by. I've seen some 11 year old girls give Michael Jordan a run for the money. They're getting stronger, faster, and take more risks than when the WNBA intially started. It'll change and I think there's more life in it than you think. A lot of little girls idolize these women and they do buy tickets. Besides, if the league closed tomorrow, they'll go overseas.

The NBA does not support the women 1/10th in the manner they support the men. They do not spend the same marketing dollars and they certainly don't remotely pay them the same. When Marion Jones played in the league, she left to run track where she made ten times more money. You're not going to keep good players if the money isn't there. It's the old double standard and I doubt if it will ever change. They play because they love the sport, definitely not over the money. Most of them can find a job and make better money and the superstars' paychecks don't even compare with a splintered-butt bench warmer in the NBA.

You talk about physical play? Come watch one of my daughter's high school games and you'll see shots blocked, ball dives, real post-moves, three-pointers coming from near half court, and bodies in the air. They may not dunk (which rarely impresses me), but they bring it on the court. These girls play hard. I'm still paying the bills for the two concussions and the nearly-broken nose my daughter got in a playoff game. When is the last time some of these big babies got hurt actually playing the game? When is the last time you saw someone dive for the ball and save a play? I'm sorry, these guys want the money, they don't really want to sacrifice their bodies like they should. It's more about politics and dollars-very little heart!

I was initially offended by your comments since I have a basketball playing daughter. But, you are entitled to your opinions and I will continue to support my daughter as she climbs through the high school and college ranks. She'll simply go overseas where the fan base is HUGE, the money's substantially better, and the sport gets much more respect.

 

[Krokus]

It's just a matter of opinion, taste even. I respect your views.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

I'm going to have to pull out my high-tops for this thread because you can tell some of you just watch the sport and never really played the sport. Don't know anything about it.

First of all... I NEVER liked KOBE. NEVER. When he entered the NBA I couldn't stand him. I know the kind of player he is. He is selfish and conceited! Finding a coach and great players to constantly and consistantly deal with his little god-complex and get the little bitch boy to play like there are four more players with the same color uniform shooting at the same basket is like trying to get Flava-Flav to agree to go to the dentist!

Notice I didn't say he sucked. (Well... I don't know what he does sexually) But Kobe can play basketball.... However his stank attitude is out of control and people have lost faith in him. Not just many of his fans.... (after all, I doubt he cares about that, as long as he gets paid) His own teammates are taking issue with him. And the coach he ran outta town... What coach wants to coach on a team where one player makes and calls the shots? It's hard to balance wanting to be the #1 superstar, and wanting the best for your team, for your teammates sake (not just your own sake. It's ridiculous to score 20-30 points and lose by the same.... )

Speaking of that... I want to draw attention to what one of you posters said about Shaq... who I do love (in spite of his troubles with free throws and his embarrasing rap/movie career). It was said:

face it, Shaq is a SHAM. he doesnt make his "sidekicks" better, his "sidekicks" make him look good. without Penny, Kobe or Wade, Shaq never makes the finals. case in point, without Kobe, the Spurs eliminate the Lakers in the playoffs several times. who, time and time again, foil the Spurs in the 4th quarter? Kobe Bryant. in game 6 of the Heat-Pistons series this year, when Shaq did not have Wade, what happens? an ass kicking. Shaq CAN NOT carry a team UNLESS he has a superstar guard on his team. LEARN THE TRUTH folks and look at things without those Shaq-colored glasses on.

And to that... I'm left scratching my head. In case you didn't notice, Shaq is a post player (AKA Centers and Power Fowards, AKA 4's and 5's, paint players, the men on the block, the guys on the inside.... sigh). And if you've ever played basketball... THAT is what most true post players do. You have to have GREAT guards on the team to pass the ball to the paint. Of course he had sidekicks! What? Was he supposed to throw the ball in, dribble down court, post up and dish the ball off to himself? That's a joke!

Sure there are other post players that play all over the court. I used to be one of them.... But it doesn't make you any less of a player if you stay and truly play just one or two positions. (Which I did too... in my college years.)

He may be fat and out of shape, let's see you lace up and go one-on-one with him and watch that fatboy kick your ass! (mine too... but hey, I'm not the one knocking on his skills.) If he sucked, he wouldn't be where he is today. He wouldn't have accomplished what he accomplished. And owners wouldn't pay millions to see him on their team. (That may very well change one day, but be honest, that's what eventually happens to all superstars.)

Being born and bred in Los Angeles, California, I will be a Lakers fan until the day I die... But I never have been and never will be a Kobe fan. (Course, I loved Shaq from his days with Penny in Orlando) It didn't matter who Kobe got caught screwing around with. It's common knowledge just about all NBA stars cheat.

And let me add one more thing... I know a better use for all that money being used to over pay professional sports stars! And I bet you all do too....

NEXT... I could write all day about the inequities of WNBA and the NBA... and just the way in general female players are treated differently than male players in any sport... Kis did a pretty good job of summing it up. (Although, I will pay to see sporting events, just like I pay to see concerts, and plays.)

But I have to be honest too... I don't agree (Krokus) that we just don't know how to play, but I will say that if our skills were compared side by side, there would be a distinct difference. There is always the exception to every rule... I know some girls who would give some guys a run for their money... (I used to LOOOVE being that girl!)

And having had my tongue almost cut in two, my legs broken, my head bashed in... to say that women's basketball lacks physical play.... That just like saying that I should be able to carry a team all by myself in order to be a great player. (All the while... posting up and passing the ball to myself) 😀

Tell you what is more exciting than the NBA is college basketball anyway.

We all are entitled to our own opinions. I'm not going to all of sudden make any of you like or hate Shaq/ Kobe/ the Lakers/ or Women's basketball.....
But... All I wanted this year was for the HEAT to go further than the LAKERS anyway... and they did! Neener.... Maybe now the LAKERS will wake up and start doing what they have to do to get their team back together? You think Phil Jackson can do it? Will do it? I don't even know. I'd let Phil Jackson coach me anytime... He's AWESOME!

With that being said....
Sunny


PS... I didn't feel like proofreading or checking my spelling today. I'm on vacation damn it! 😛

 

[kis123]

Sunrise:

So you played ball, huh? My daughter's a 5'11" post-player, she plays foward. I'm a great basketball mom, but my athletic ability can be compared to that of a penguin in the Cleveland zoo! She didn't get her skills from me at all!

I admit I'm pro-Kobe, but when someone who lives/lived in the state he plays in has problems with him, I have to bend my ears to hear. It's like all the LeBron drama (mostly his family and his choice to allow a 23 year old nobody manage his career) we hear in my home town. Those of you who live there get the whole story the rest of us aren't always made privy to.

I've never liked Shaq-he's a great player but has been a major headache ever since he started bellyaching in Orlando and competing against his own players for attention and money. He just never seems satisfied even with everything he's been blessed with.

Oh, btw that comment with Kobe and "sucked" in the same sentence-that's just plain wrong! 😀

 

[primetime]

just like i figured, someone decides to chime in with anti-Kobe views and have no clue what they are talking about. despite the fact that i didnt play in the NBA, it doesnt mean i dont know basketball. for someone to actually write that Shaq is a post player and he isnt expected to be the 1 guard, 2 guard, the 3 and 4 position is ridiculous to even post. it's like, "duh". however, you missed my point entirely. Shaq has been in NBA finals because he has had a superstar guard. let me spell it out for you. S-U-P-E-R-S-T-A-R guard. not just anybody. Penny was a SUPERSTAR. Kobe is a SUPERSTAR. Wade is a SUPERSTAR. put Shaq on the Atlanta Hawks where there are NO SUPERSTARS and see how well he does. he MIGHT make the playoffs. besides, you dont need a GREAT point guard to pass the ball inside the paint. why even make a statement like that? where is your point going? bottom line, without Penny, without Kobe and without Wade, the "great" Shaq is just another b-ball player who does well statistically, but wont win a ring. ask Charles Barkley. ask Patrick Ewing.

now true, without Shaq, those guards (Penny, Kobe and Wade) wouldnt have done well either. BUT, you forget, you DONT NEED Shaq to win a championship. if that was true, Shaq would have won a ring every year. how do the other teams win titles without Shaq? you need a good inside player and a good outside player with great role players and presto! championship opportunity awaits!! if the Lakers pick up a good "INSIDE" player, they will be in championship contention again.

now Sunrise, (hell, ALL Kobe-haters), explain something to me. what makes you think Kobe is "arrogant" and "conceited"? can you please give LOGICAL reasons on why YOU think he is this way. what has Kobe done EXACTLY to make him conceited and arrogant? he's serious on the court? so was Michael Jordan. does Kobe taunt the opponents? no. does he wag a finger like Dikembe Mutombo or do a "gorilla walk" after a dunk (a la Shaq) or stick out his tongue (a la Jordan)?? does he get in the media and tell the world how great he is? WHAT HAS KOBE DONE for people to say he's arrogant? i want the Kobe haters to say WHY he is a self absorbed, cocky guy. Sunrise, you even said you didnt like Kobe when he ENTERED the NBA. the guy didnt play a single game in the NBA and you had a problem with him? WHY? BE SPECIFIC. i am curious on why people detest Kobe so much when he actually hasnt done anything. oh, and please leave the "he cheated on his wife" out of it. a lot of other NBA players do the same thing.

one more point. if Kobe was this "evil" dude, why oh why would Phil Jackson even CONSIDER coaching the Lakers again? even if he doesnt take the job, he CONSIDERED IT. i guess Kobe isnt that bad after all.....

you Shaq lovers are ridiculous. it's like Shaq can do no wrong in your eyes, when he has proven he is one of the most arrogant players around. has Kobe EVER said "give me the ball" in the media? NO, but Shaq has. does Kobe ever go around SAYING he is the most dominat player in the history of the NBA? NO, but Shaq does. you never heard Kobe Bryant EVER tell Laker management to "PAY ME!" during an exhibition game, BUT Shaq has. and Kobe is the arrogant one? please, you Kobe-haters/Shaq lovers are a piece of work. stop believing everything the media says and investigate it yourself. and for someone to DARE say they are a Laker fan, but hate Kobe is ridiculous. remember, if Kobe fails, the Lakers fail. is that what you want?

as for the WNBA, it can be entertaining, but it is like high school basketball. they miss a lot. but i am impressed with women playing basketball. a lot of them can probably school a few guys. but let's be fair. should we expect the women to play like men? NO, because they are just that. WOMEN. i hope the WNBA sticks around for a while. it's good to see them do what they like to do, play sports.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Patrick Ewing did not win because there was no one else there to help him. Magic had Kareem and Worthy and Cooper who could all score. Jordan did not win anything until Pippen came along. What top player did Patrick Ewing have in his PRIME that could score consistantly and take the pressure off of him? Name that SUPERSTAR PLAYER Patrick Ewing had primetime. I must remind you AGAIN that I am not a fan of Shaq at all. Get that through your head. I am not a lover of Shaq. But that team was in sucking Kobe's you know what to make sure he got back and forth to his trial. Then goes to management and TELLS them that either Shaq goes or he will. Well the Lakers trade Shaq to Miami and they went to the Eastern Conference Finals. And Kobe played great in these play-offs didn't he primetime? He was spectacular against the Spurs and the Rockets and the Suns. In fact, I will bet you a wood nickle the Kobe will win the NBA title in the next week and a half. Oh that was a Kobe dream I was having. I forgot he has been working on his golf swing and having Laker reps on their knees thanking him for having them trade Shaq and giving him a big contract. By the way, how much was that contract primetime? And did it include a no sex clause, oh I mean a no trade clause? Slip of the fingers on the sex clause. You will find out that Kobe Bryant is a loser but you by then would have forgotten me. Don't tell me I don't know sports. Because I would run a clinic in 5 different sports. Basketball being one of them.

 

[primetime]

please dont take this personally, but do you even bother to read my posts THOROUGHLY before you reply? the funniest thing is, the first part of your paragraph, you do realize you are essentially agreeing with me.... that was my point saying that Shaq needs ANOTHER SUPERSTAR. yes, Kobe does too, but Shaq is made out to be THE reason why teams can win championships. you are agreeing with me and you DONT even realize it.

before you can even say you know sports, can you at least back up your points with logical arguments? everything you wrote makes no sense but just running off at the mouth. now, can you do me and the rest of the logical world a favor and explain just exactly why Kobe is hated. again, if you say "he cheated on his wife", that's a crappy reason because then you MUST hate Michael Jordan.

your points are so weak and ridiculous, i have no idea why you bother posting it. you say Kobe went to management and told them "it's either me or Shaq." can you tell me exactly where you got this information? ah, the media makes it seem that way. i guess you forgot about the fact that Buss wasnt going to pay Shaq 30 million dollars a year to a guy who shows no respect to him. your post is filled with "Kobe cheated on his wife" references. tell me, did you hate Kobe BEFORE or AFTER he cheated?

look, if you want to even try to compete against me, you have to come with some logical points. all you come back with is Kobe sex references. nothing logical. as for this whole "Kobe wasnt in the playoffs" laugh, simple fact is this. Kobe didnt get a ring, but neither did Shaq.

no go run those clinics. i'm sure all those kids (or adults) are anxiously await your great sports wisdom.....yeah, right.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Compete with you? You are funny. You are wearing kneepads on Kobe's jock and you want to compete with me? Let me tell you something primetime, it is nothing personal, but I just entertained house guests from TMF who found my knowledge of sports to be outstanding. As well, I found their points of view and knowledge to be impecable as well. I NEVER liked Kobe because I dispise the Lakers. I NEVER liked Michael Jordan because I am a HUGE Knicks fan. As far as me agreeing with you, I do not. Kobe will NEVER win without Shaq. But give Shaq a HEALTHY Wade and Shaq WILL win with him. Wade is still a young kid and will only get better. Who exactly do the Lakers have on the Horizon? No, I do not agree with you. You keep saying Shaq is NO GOOD while you think Kobe is so great. What did Kobe do this year? PLEASE ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THIS IS ONLY THE 5TH TIME I ASKED THIS QUESTION on 2 different threads. But you are so full of yourself that you REFUSE to answer the question. Like I said, Kobe WILL NEVER win again. Shaq WILL win again. I hate saying that too, because there is no lost for Shaq either.

 

[kis123]

as for the WNBA, it can be entertaining, but it is like high school basketball. they miss a lot. but i am impressed with women playing basketball. a lot of them can probably school a few guys. but let's be fair. should we expect the women to play like men? NO, because they are just that. WOMEN.

You know prime, I was with you until you made this statement. What exactly did you mean when you said this?? Just because most of us can't fly through the air with the basketball doesn't mean we are lesser athletes. To be exact, if these guys couldn't dunk, they couldn't play! Have you seen the freethrow percentages many of the guys have? Or, their actual shooting percentages? Match them against the women who actually have to know how to shoot to score and see what you come up with.

 

[tickletoy3]

First off, Kobe being a "wife cheater" has nothing to do with basketball. I'm not even going to go down that road because it is totally irrelevant.. we are comparing two athletes with what they do ON THE COURT - not what they do after hours..

With that said, let us proceed.. I have researched both contestants and have produced the following statistics which may prove interesting.. these stats are from the playoff history of both guys.. every playoff game of both guys are considered in these stats (not this year because *cough* kobe had no stats).. so let us proceed.. this is a per game average of both players..

Field goals: Shaq attempted 18.6 and made 10.5 - Kobe attempted 18.7 and made 8.0
Three pointers: Kobe has attempted 3.1 and made 1.0 (Shaq had never attempted a 3pt in the playoffs)
Free throws: Shaq attempted 11.9 and made 6.1.. not bad (roughly half) and shaq sucks from the line. Kobe attempted 6.7 and made 5.3.. substantially better but no big surprise..
Total Rebounds: Shaq 12.9 and Kobe 4.8
Assists: Shaq 3.1 and Kobe 4.4
Steals: Shaq 0.5 (half a steal?) lol and Kobe 1.3 steals
Blocks: Shaq 2.4 and Kobe 0.7
Points: Shaq 27 and Kobe 22.6

Ok.. what do these stats say? They say: (1) Shaq averages more points per game than Kobe in the playoffs (2) Shaq has a higher shooting percentage per game than Kobe in the playoffs and (3) Shaq rebounds more per game than Kobe in the playoffs

Did you get that? If you didn't.. read it again. THAT'S WHY TEAMS CONSIDER SHAQ A "FRANCHISE" MORE THAN KOBE. Stats do not lie. They are not opinion. THEY ARE FACT.

If a player averages more points, has a better shooting percentage and out rebounds another player.. wouldn't you rather have that player??? These stats are from the PLAYOFF averages of both players. PLAYOFFS people - the games that count most

Keep in mind this has nothing to do with Kobe being a "wife cheater" and nothing to do with anything that happens off the court. This has nothing to do with egos, player salaries, press quotes and coach/management disagreements. This is totally what has happened in the playoffs and on the court.

And while you are still pondering the proven stats, keep in mind that Shaq was supposedly out of shape, overweight, lived at Krispy Kreme and didn't really care about the team. And Kobe is 6 years younger.

People amaze me.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

First off, Kobe being a "wife cheater" has nothing to do with basketball. I'm not even going to go down that road because it is totally irrelevant.. we are comparing two athletes with what they do ON THE COURT - not what they do after hours..

With that said, let us proceed.. I have researched both contestants and have produced the following statistics which may prove interesting.. these stats are from the playoff history of both guys.. every playoff game of both guys are considered in these stats (not this year because *cough* kobe had no stats).. so let us proceed.. this is a per game average of both players..

Field goals: Shaq attempted 18.6 and made 10.5 - Kobe attempted 18.7 and made 8.0
Three pointers: Kobe has attempted 3.1 and made 1.0 (Shaq had never attempted a 3pt in the playoffs)
Free throws: Shaq attempted 11.9 and made 6.1.. not bad (roughly half) and shaq sucks from the line. Kobe attempted 6.7 and made 5.3.. substantially better but no big surprise..
Total Rebounds: Shaq 12.9 and Kobe 4.8
Assists: Shaq 3.1 and Kobe 4.4
Steals: Shaq 0.5 (half a steal?) lol and Kobe 1.3 steals
Blocks: Shaq 2.4 and Kobe 0.7
Points: Shaq 27 and Kobe 22.6

Ok.. what do these stats say? They say: (1) Shaq averages more points per game than Kobe in the playoffs (2) Shaq has a higher shooting percentage per game than Kobe in the playoffs and (3) Shaq rebounds more per game than Kobe in the playoffs

Did you get that? If you didn't.. read it again. THAT'S WHY TEAMS CONSIDER SHAQ A "FRANCHISE" MORE THAN KOBE. Stats do not lie. They are not opinion. THEY ARE FACT.

If a player averages more points, has a better shooting percentage and out rebounds another player.. wouldn't you rather have that player??? These stats are from the PLAYOFF averages of both players. PLAYOFFS people - the games that count most

Keep in mind this has nothing to do with Kobe being a "wife cheater" and nothing to do with anything that happens off the court. This has nothing to do with egos, player salaries, press quotes and coach/management disagreements. This is totally what has happened in the playoffs and on the court.

And while you are still pondering the proven stats, keep in mind that Shaq was supposedly out of shape, overweight, lived at Krispy Kreme and didn't really care about the team. And Kobe is 6 years younger.

People amaze me.

I want to thank you for these stats tickletoy. Thank you for presenting a great case for the defense. Or in this case offense.