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Okay. So, am I a genius or a deviant?

Capnmad

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So I was struck by an idea for an art project recently for which I required reference pics of pole dancing. I discovered that that terminology -- "pole dancing" -- got a lot more relevant hits for what I was looking for than did "stripping", "exotic dancing" or related terms. Pole dancing has gained considerable legitimacy in the mainstream over the last decade or so not just as men's entertainment, but women's recreation and aerobic activity...

After a short while looking at the pictures, I was thinking -- why is this not an Olympic sport?

In all seriousness, a pole is about as arbitrary a piece of equipment as anything else in gymnastics, be it men's (rings, high bar, parallel bars, pommel horse, vault), or women's (balance beam, uneven bars, vault), and with the floor exercise the other event in each gender's rotation, women's gymnastics still comes up short of the men's spectrum of events by two.

Competitive pole dancing prohibits nudity. The top competitors take it fairly seriously, and their dedication shows in lean, muscled gymnast-like physiques.

An additional virtue in pursuing pole dance as an Olympic sport is the decreased likelihood of high-impact-induced injury. Such injuries are found frequently in floor exercise, vault (Kerri Strug, anyone?), and balance beam.

And if there is still some silly hubbub about its origins, olympic officials would do well to remember that the original olympic games were competed in the nude, and the very word "gymnastics" has its root in Greek words meaning "exercise naked".

It wouldn't be hard to break down various moves for technical and artistic merit, or to establish rules and required moves to demonstrate strength, flexibility, agility, coordination, balance and grace in transition -- all those qualities sought in a gymnastic performance.

Consider the above and these pictures (some of which are from the recent championship). Can you mount a legitmate argument against it as an olympic sport?

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The U.S. Pole Dance Federation site can be found HERE.

Additional photos from the 2009 Pole Dance Championship can be found HERE.
 
Holy shlamola, I wanna be able to do that. That stuff is friggin awesome!
 
While I admire the thought put into this, and agree with Venray that you're both, um, no. NO!

For the same reasons that competitive mixed martial arts, ballroom dancing and chess aren't at the Olympics, pole dancing, while all the above points are valid, still holds that connotation of being 'stripping' and soforth. With everything else that happens at the Olympics, I think another potential farce should be avoided.

My apologies for being the Black Hole of Fun and sucking all the life out of this idea. 🙂

Snail Shell
 
Again, you are most certainly both. But in this case, you're leaning more toward the genius side. I think all your arguments are valid and would also add that, so long as the event is done by adult women, Olympic tv ratings would skyrocket on the male side of the Nielsons.
 
For the same reasons that competitive mixed martial arts, ballroom dancing and chess aren't at the Olympics, pole dancing, while all the above points are valid, still holds that connotation of being 'stripping' and soforth. With everything else that happens at the Olympics, I think another potential farce should be avoided.

Chess is like stripping? Apart from the fact that Bishops have nipples on their heads, I'm not sure how far the analogy can be drawn... 😉
 
If those are the only options i'll go with deviant.😛
 
The two categories are mutually exclusive and you are both, as Venray said. 😀
 
Well, pole dancing for me is more like aerial dance, which is a circus event, rather than an olympics event. As soon as trapeze and tightrope is brought to olympics, I will push for our lovely pole dancers to get their shot at the gold.
 
You've hit upon one of my favorite recent hobbies! :xpulcy: Pole dancing is the latest craze in women's fitness - all the housewives are doing it. 😀 In its current form, it emphasizes body acceptance, confidence, and sensuality, as well as muscle strength and grace.

I think the connotation with stripping, though obviously largely accurate, is an unfortunate limitation. Seriously, watch this video and try to tell me that this isn't as much of a sport as gymnastics or figure skating:

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Anyway, I'd love to see an Olympics exhibition. Pole dancing is obviously not ready for prime time, but I think the exposure (heh) would be awesome for establishing its legitimacy as athletic performance.
 
While it is very athletic....and certainly an artform.....

I can not truly think that it should or could ever be an Olympic sport.

Any athletic activity that is so suggestive (every woman is wearing like 5- 6 inch heels, first of all) in nature just does not fly with me. Aside from their clothing these women may feel that they are proving how independent and released they can be, when in reality their athleticisim is being shadowed by small outfits and many suggestive moves designed for the excitement of men.

I see where your going with the Cap, and it truly is a "Geneial" idea, but I feel like things would have to be unsexed and taken back to the drawing board before it could be done.

And personally, if they are gonna put this in the Olympics, then I want to see some damn Marching Band and Colorguard too. DCI is just as athletic as anything else.
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Well...I doubt this sort of thing would ever be shown on uh...good ol fashioned family Olympic time, I'm sure if places like HBO got creative and started their own "Olympics", it would never be short of an audience. Sort of reminds me of that one show where the people build the robots and compete against one another...and I have no idea why.
 
I once went to a nudy bar and this one chick was doing crazy stuff from poles on the ceiling! My buddies and I called her Spider-Woman. That was some crazy-ass naked shit, I tells ya!
 
Holy shlamola, I wanna be able to do that. That stuff is friggin awesome!

Isn't it?


You sir are both....I have always known that....

🙂


While I admire the thought put into this, and agree with Venray that you're both, um, no. NO!

For the same reasons that competitive mixed martial arts, ballroom dancing and chess aren't at the Olympics, pole dancing, while all the above points are valid, still holds that connotation of being 'stripping' and soforth. With everything else that happens at the Olympics, I think another potential farce should be avoided.

My apologies for being the Black Hole of Fun and sucking all the life out of this idea. 🙂

Snail Shell

Probably, the idea is just ahead of its time. The symbol for the USPDF involves a dancer, legs splayed (though at an angle), with the classic stripper-heels. The event would need to be de-sexed. Bare feet, unitard need to be standard uniform, just as in gymnastics, and emphasis needs to be more on Cirque De Soleil-type displays of acrobatic skill, strength and grace, perhaps with a maximum number of times a competitor can touch the floor without deduction. It'd take a bit of adaptation to approach the rigorous standards of an Olympic event and remove it mostly from its risqué origins, but it could be done...


Again, you are most certainly both. But in this case, you're leaning more toward the genius side. I think all your arguments are valid and would also add that, so long as the event is done by adult women, Olympic tv ratings would skyrocket on the male side of the Nielsons.

Thanks! Definitely, in its current incarnation, a direct translation to the Olympics wouldn't be appropriate, but some alteration (as suggested above) might make it so...


Chess is like stripping? Apart from the fact that Bishops have nipples on their heads, I'm not sure how far the analogy can be drawn... 😉

I'm sure if you dig deep enough, there must be some joke in there with regard to "mating", but it may be too long a walk for the laugh. 😀


If those are the only options i'll go with deviant.😛

HA!


You would be a Geniant.

Indeed! I Might Be Geniant. Hey -- wasn't that a band? 😀


The two categories are mutually exclusive and you are both, as Venray said. 😀

Huzzah! Quite happy with both labels, really. 🙂


Well, pole dancing for me is more like aerial dance, which is a circus event, rather than an olympics event. As soon as trapeze and tightrope is brought to olympics, I will push for our lovely pole dancers to get their shot at the gold.

Really, I wouldn't be opposed to those, either. They all beat "chess-boxing", which apparently is seeking entry...


Anyway, I'd love to see an Olympics exhibition. Pole dancing is obviously not ready for prime time, but I think the exposure (heh) would be awesome for establishing its legitimacy as athletic performance.

Thanks for the clip, Lindy! Like I said, it would take some modification, but I think it could be made ready as an exhibition event in a few years time, if there was the will.


Any athletic activity that is so suggestive (every woman is wearing like 5- 6 inch heels, first of all) in nature just does not fly with me. Aside from their clothing these women may feel that they are proving how independent and released they can be, when in reality their athleticisim is being shadowed by small outfits and many suggestive moves designed for the excitement of men.

I see where your going with the Cap, and it truly is a "Geneial" idea, but I feel like things would have to be unsexed and taken back to the drawing board before it could be done.

Agreed.


Well...I doubt this sort of thing would ever be shown on uh...good ol fashioned family Olympic time, I'm sure if places like HBO got creative and started their own "Olympics", it would never be short of an audience. Sort of reminds me of that one show where the people build the robots and compete against one another...and I have no idea why.

Because like one would expect is the common reaction to pole dancing, the idea of a couple of geeky engineers sweating over why one of their actuators isn't operating while their creation is receiving powersaw damage to its chassis gets you all hot and bothered? 😉


...or is that just me? :illogical 😀



I once went to a nudy bar and this one chick was doing crazy stuff from poles on the ceiling! My buddies and I called her Spider-Woman. That was some crazy-ass naked shit, I tells ya!

Ironically, I've never been to such an establishment. But please say hi to "Spider-Woman" for me. 🙂
 
Again, you are most certainly both. But in this case, you're leaning more toward the genius side. I think all your arguments are valid and would also add that, so long as the event is done by adult women, Olympic tv ratings would skyrocket on the male side of the Nielsons.

I would have to agree with Slacker's comment. The hang up with having it in the Olympics is that all the gymnasts are young girls. The connection that comes with pole dancing is not something I would want to be connected with a 14 year old. My sister is 13 and back into gymnastics frankly it would very very much bother me to know that a pole dance routine is something that they would be teaching her. I have nothing against the people who can do it and am impressed by what they are able to do however that is an event that needs to have an age restriction. It's just not something that I could be comfortable with being a competition for girls.
 
I would have to agree with Slacker's comment. The hang up with having it in the Olympics is that all the gymnasts are young girls. The connection that comes with pole dancing is not something I would want to be connected with a 14 year old. My sister is 13 and back into gymnastics frankly it would very very much bother me to know that a pole dance routine is something that they would be teaching her. I have nothing against the people who can do it and am impressed by what they are able to do however that is an event that needs to have an age restriction. It's just not something that I could be comfortable with being a competition for girls.

Makes sense. Which is why I concur it would have to be de-sexed and treated more akin to what Cirque or Chinese acrobat performers do on the pole. I don't think age restriction would work. If age restriction was in place, it begs the question, "Why are we allowing this in the first place?" Restrictions against moves considered too suggestive in nature (just as they prohibit certain such moves in cheerleading competitions and whatnot) would be more logical.
 
They have like mini pole dancing sets that young girls can buy to practice in the comfort of their own homes.

They have pole dancing classes aimed at young girls. It's a legitimate form of excercise. And at the end of the day, almost anything can potentially have a sexual connotation if we allow it.

I'm all for it. If the Olympics have a boxing event where young boys can see two males beating the shit out of each other for Gold and recognition, then I see no problem with pole dancing.

-Xionking
 
UPDATE: Different culture, different gender, no unusual stigma...

It is called "Mallakhamb", and it could well be a great new addition to Olympic-level gymnastics, be it for men or women:

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This one's better than the first:
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Now, there's international precedent for it, and the equipment is customized...

Whatdya' think? Men's and women's Mallakhamb for the olympics? (I'm not giving up on this idea yet!)
 
UPDATE: Different culture, different gender, no unusual stigma...

It is called "Mallakhamb", and it could well be a great new addition to Olympic-level gymnastics, be it for men or women:

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This one's better than the first:
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Now, there's international precedent for it, and the equipment is customized...

Whatdya' think? Men's and women's Mallakhamb for the olympics? (I'm not giving up on this idea yet!)

I loved the videos. I think Mallakhamb would be a great addition to the Olympics. I think you made some very good arguments for a form of pole dancing to be considered an Olympic sport, and I think Mallakhamb solves the ethical issues.
 
Holy smokes! Those are some crazy athletic abilities!:wow:
 
I say...

Why not?

I think it's a good idea to forcibly move the suggestive perception to the back burner by just doing it, and emphasizing the art of it all. Let's stop worrying about what little old church ladies think!
 
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