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wendynpeter said:
I don't speak french, but the one time in the clip where it was clear to me that she demanded that the scene stop, they stopped. Instantly (and rightly so). The fact that the scene continued in a different setting indicates to me that something further was negotiated. I might be missing something in the dialog at the end, though. Those of you who know my posts know that if I thought it was really nonconsensual, I'd definitely say so.

I cant bel;ieve you peter! This clip in the end was JUST as nonconsensual as anything that South East Asian Tickling guy puts out. In the end she clearly didn't want it any more and DEMANDED that it stopped. She was screaming STOP for sure. Whether it was "stop you fucking asshole" or "stop you son of a bitch" or "stop dont fucking touch me" she CLEARLY wanted it to end. Yes they stopped at her pits when she asked, but in the end at her feet she CLEARLY wanted it to end very badly and they didnt. Her violent screams should be clear indication of that. You have to be a total idiot to see to not see that she wasnt enjoying it at the end and demmanded that it stope but it didnt.

So I guess according to you it is ok if they do those kind of thing in France, but not ok if they do them in Asia? Before I respected what you had to say as someone stating their oppinion and everyone has a right to their oppinion. But now I see what you have to say on the subject is total garbage, and because of your CLEAR double standard, your oppinion on this subject doesnt count for shit anymore. I knew you had something against South East Asia Tickling and this proves it.
 
Jeffy,

The difference is that in the Frenchtickling clip, she says "stop" and they do. The set changes, and everyone's back at it. But it's clear that they use safewords at Frenchtickling. I have no problem with intense action. And I'm sure they were going for the edge. Had I NOT seen a safeword used successfully, I'd have blasted Frenchtickling in the same way, I assure you.

Also, it's not clear you know how a safeword works. Let's use the clip as an example. It could be that they didn't have a safeword arranged from the outset, so when she screamed "stop," they took that as her safeword. But a safeword usually isn't 'stop,' or 'quit.' It's usually a word that would never come up, so it can't be confused with words used by the bottom to intensify things. The most common safeword is 'Red.' I've played with bottoms who used 'cantaloupe.' It depends on the bottom. But if you are setting up a safeword, you're right -- 'stop' is a bad choice because bottoms do say stop when they are playing.

If you haven't set up a safeword beforehand (and an experienced bottom will NEVER proceed without a pre-set safeword) then it's really more about watching body language and listening to voice tone. If a bottom is cursing, screaming, spitting, demanding and has clearly stopped being in the scene mentally, it doesn't matter what the fuck she's saying, she wants out (and you'd better respect that, or it could be trouble).
 
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I really think at the end of the clip the girl is faking because she just shouts very loud but not laughing and says stop now stop !
Personally I don't find that very funny and exiting to watch when it becomes too hard, the girl don't laugh anymore.
The tickling must be a torture but not like that.
 
wendynpeter said:
Jeffy,

The difference is that in the Frenchtickling clip, she says "stop" and they do. The set changes, and everyone's back at it. But it's clear that they use safewords at Frenchtickling. I have no problem with intense action. And I'm sure they were going for the edge. Had I NOT seen a safeword used successfully, I'd have blasted Frenchtickling in the same way, I assure you.

Also, it's not clear you know how a safeword works. Let's use the clip as an example. It could be that they didn't have a safeword arranged from the outset, so when she screamed "stop," they took that as her safeword. But a safeword usually isn't 'stop,' or 'quit.' It's usually a word that would never come up, so it can't be confused with words used by the bottom to intensify things. The most common safeword is 'Red.' I've played with bottoms who used 'cantaloupe.' It depends on the bottom. But if you are setting up a safeword, you're right -- 'stop' is a bad choice because bottoms do say stop when they are playing.

If you haven't set up a safeword beforehand (and an experienced bottom will NEVER proceed without a pre-set safeword) then it's really more about watching body language and listening to voice tone. If a bottom is cursing, screaming, spitting, demanding and has clearly stopped being in the scene mentally, it doesn't matter what the fuck she's saying, she wants out (and you'd better respect that, or it could be trouble).


Peter they stopped at that one point YES. But at the END of the clip they DIDNT stop. Rewatch the clip. at the end of this clip the girl is clearly saying the same word she said before when she wanted them to stop. In FACT she is saying it much louder with moch more agression, and clearly wants it to stop even MORE now but they didnt. Watch the end of this clip it is brutal! What part of this are you missing here? Are you blind?

So what is the difference if someone says "pock you" in Filipino or whatever it is, or "stop touching me right now you sick fucking bastard" in french? are you trying to tell me that asian girls are the only girls that should be respected? Because if you can't see that the END of this French tickling clip, and I mean "the end" Quit talking about the middle of the clip where they stop. Can you do that Peter? Do you know what the word end means Peter? Its means the final part. The last. Not the middle. So if you can Peter, i know it might be a little diffucult for you Peter but. if you can look at the LAST part of this clip. and then tell me that it was concensual and that she wasn NOT screaming in rage for them to stop, and that she wasnt saying the exact same word that she was saying before she wanted them to stop, and that she was enjoying it, if you can tell me that by watching the LAST part of thios clip then you must be daft!

It's clear you are possing a double standard here. It is ok for some people to make these kind of clips and not ok for others. You can't have it both ways.
 
Jeffy said:
It's clear you are possing a double standard here. It is ok for some people to make these kind of clips and not ok for others. You can't have it both ways.

Jeffy, I see your point and why you think I'm applying a double standard. Believe it or not, I try to give the benefit of the doubt in cases where I don't have perfect knowledge.

In the case of TTSEA, they claim in writing to ignore safewords. Their videos show no evidence to the contrary.

In the case of Frenchtickling, their vid clip demonstrates that they do respect safewords. After they stopped the first time, the set changed and they restarted, which gives me the clear impression that the model agreed to go forward. Given that they demonstrated that they do respect safewords, I can only assume that another safeword was agreed upon, and the model didn't use it. I could be wrong, of course.

Where *I* draw my line is that I want to see evidence that safe play is occuring. It can be intense or even slightly out of control, but as long as I know that a safeword will be respected, that's what I care about.

When I called TTSEA on the fact that they ignored a safeword, they admitted that they did, and defended it. That's where the difference lies. If you still don't see it, let me know. I'll be happy to consider it further.

One more point. This conversation goes so much better, is more calm and articulate, and is far more interesting on TMF than similar ones over at Tickle Theater. I think there's a more mature crowd over here that has more life experience to draw upon. It's hard to get kids young enough to be your own kids to see to be civil when you suggest that they might be wrong. LOL Thanks to the folks at TMF who are mature enough to have some perspective beyond what they want/need to believe.

-P
 
all this arguing back and forth is sure giving free publicity to these clips. its rather amusing to me...

isabeau
 
I hate to say it but this is a completely silly discussion. If you don't like it - just don't watch it. If it is too hard for you - don't watch it. It's the same like with tickling into peeing: any time such a thread appears, immediately tens of haters start writing their reactions. Why? Who cares about haters?

I admit I love my wife. When I tickle her sometimes she screams similar to the model in this clip ( she doesn't get paid for it though ...). When we finish, I always ask her "did you like it?" and the answer is always "yes but it was really horrible". She is still with me ... If the model really had hated it so much the video would probably not have been out. Just my opinion.
 
This is the third or fourth time she has been filmed there. She can't hate them too much and I am sure they have their arrangements. She will quite likely be back again at some point - she seems a very popular model.
 
mart said:
This is the third or fourth time she has been filmed there. She can't hate them too much and I am sure they have their arrangements. She will quite likely be back again at some point - she seems a very popular model.

That in itself would lead one to believe she is OK with what's happening. Again, it's the difference between a situation in which safewords are ignored (especially bad if that's a marketing strategy), versus a situation in which safewords are respected.
 
SmallMartin said:
I hate to say it but this is a completely silly discussion. If you don't like it - just don't watch it. If it is too hard for you - don't watch it. It's the same like with tickling into peeing: any time such a thread appears, immediately tens of haters start writing their reactions. Why? Who cares about haters?

If someone's really being abused, the community should care.

I admit I love my wife.

Jesus, I would hope so...LOL

When I tickle her sometimes she screams similar to the model in this clip ( she doesn't get paid for it though ...). When we finish, I always ask her "did you like it?" and the answer is always "yes but it was really horrible".

COMPLETELY different thing, my friend.
 
At the end she was tapping out like a wrestler! Did anybodyelse see it! By the way isnt Camille in her 20's!
 
isabeau said:
all this arguing back and forth is sure giving free publicity to these clips. its rather amusing to me...

isabeau

LOL, I agree totally 😀
 
the thing is this. i watched the preview clip. i could see she is extremely ticklish, but it seemed to me when she said stop that one time he did. so i dont see the controversy. maybe i need to see the whole thing, but that aint happening. o well...... she is quite cute also.

isabeau
 
Same here, Isabeau 😉 At one point her hands were free, so if she really wanted to, she could have boxed his ears in, lol 😀 And yes, she is a cutie :woot:
 
My biggest concern in clips like this, even if it was known before hand that it would be a tickling "torture," in the sense that it is used here, is that we might not ever see this great ticklee again as she might no longer enjoy it and might be afraid of being tickled. How many super ticklish girls do you know that hate to be tickled because someone in their past tortured them a little too much? I mean one person can't control themselves and the rest of us are deprived of a beautiful ticklee. I am not saying that this is the case in this clip, but I have seen some clips become final clips for the ticklee because it went too far, even if it was predetermined that it would very far along that road.
 
Here's another take on it - if we were to stop tickling the moment a ticklee said "no" or "stop", then why are we all here - every ticklee I have ever seen pleads "no" or "stop" and fights and struggles - and if a ticklee in a video is contracted for 30 or 60 or 90 minutes of tickling, or tickle torture, then she should get that and be paid accordingly - tickling will stop when her time is finished.

And what is tickle torture - or any kind of torture anyway - when the victim, or in our case the ticklee, is in charge. There is no logic in that. She gives up control as contracted for whatever amount of time. She agrees to and makes whatever agreement she does, under whatever conditions she is okay with, and then earns her money by submitting herself as she has agreed. Of course, during that time, she has agreed that the tickler will be in charge and not her.

Peter, and others, are quite correct in saying that the ticklee should have a choice - and if she chooses to endure whatever amount of tickle torture she agrees to without a safe word or an out, then she has made a choice. And who are we to second guess her decision, a choice and a decision she has made. It is her right to make that choice - not ours.
 
CaptainQuantum said:
In the last parts of the clip, I guess no one knows if she was saying the safeword unless they speak French.

But I wanted to see what Insex.com was about from that previous post, so I looked them up. The company has been sold, and the new company is called hardtied.com. This is what it said at the new owner's website:

Where we differ from Insex, is we do not like models to be sad or unhappy -- we adhere to our SHOOT SAFETY CHECKLIST for all our shoots. We make sure it's all good kinky orgasmic fun for everyone. No one gets hurt, and every model leaves with a smile on her face!

So it sounds like safety wasn't a priority with the previous owners? Pretty dangerous, and pretty stupid if that's the case.

As a long-time meber of Insex.com (RIP), I feel I must respond to this thread.

It is quite evident that many of you have absolutely no concept of how the BDSM world works. Insex, like my other quality BDSM sites out there, are being forcibly SHOUT DOWN by the United States government. That is the ONLY reason Insex shut down.

If you go to Insex's new site, hardtied.com, you'll see that they are continuing their endeaver, only they've changed the spin on things. The new laws in place force BDSM sites to strip their content down. They put an emphasis on orgasms and "happy" models because they don't want to be a target for persecution. Anything mentioning the BDSM lifestyle could get them in hot water. I guess this makes makes the religious right happy. They feel they're "cleansing" the internet of what they perceive as "filth" when, in reality, all they're doing is oppressing an entire culture of people of whom they do not understand.

Having been a member of Insex.com for five years, I can tell you that every girl on that site was treated perfectly well. There was always a safeword in play, and when the model used it, it was respected. They stopped the scene right then and there (they sometimes had live feeds) and moved onto the next segment. Additionally, every new model that came to Insex was put through a "Test" session. They were also called "Canagirls" sessions. This was a basic introductionary session that included an interview with the model and LIGHT BDSM to feel out the model's limits, what they enjoyed, what they didn't. The models were also asked to fill out an online questionaire that outlined what S&M experience they had, what kind of edge play enjoyed, what they were curious about, and what their limits were. The models ranged from curious college girls to seasoned BDSM models. If the model liked this "Test" session, they would return for a more in-depth Insex session. If not, you never saw them again. The model's decision to return for a harder session was completely up to her.

Now, I know there are many of you on this forum that do not understand and outright reject the BDSM lifestyle. Many of you cannot understand how a woman or man can enjoy giving/receiving pain. I cannot explain that to you. It's like trying to figure out why one enjoys tying up a person and tickle torturing them (also another aspect of BDSM, whether you like it or not). As long as everything is safe, sane and consensual, we should all respect one another's interests.

For the ladies on the forum, keep in mind that Insex was an equal opportunity employer. Their sister site, InsexM.com, was a Femdom site. In fact, there are many Femdom sites that are just as hard as the Maledom sites out there. So please, don't cry wolf and claim that women are the only subs in the BDSM genre. Unfortunately, it seems both of these lifestyle websites are being hit equally as hard when it comes to these new laws governing our sexuality. :disgust:
 
not bad

I have to say that i enjoyed the beginning that was not bad but you went way to damn far at the end i despise and hate assholes that don't know when to stop. You know what i think if you can't take what you dish out then don't .................. dish out you went to damn far. I witnessed a gang tickling that went so bad you think what you did was torture believe me what i witnessed as a child makes what you did to poor Camille look like peanuts but i have to say id love to see you get some see how you would like being tortured as you tortured her. The girl i witnessed being tickled was in her teens also she was tickled by 8 guys they did this to her all day like you they did not know when to stop pushed her way beyong her limits although im sure Camille did not end up in hospital like this girl did. I like and enjoy tickling video clips but when ................. go too far it pisses me off. It's people like that who make others end up hating tickling for ever.

thats what i think
people who liked this said was not that bad maybe she was acting hum ok lets see you strapped down and tickled beyond your limits till your crying and cursing etc.


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zacutiebrat
 
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I strongly agree with Wendynpeter that ..................went to damn far.
 
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For those of you who say they suck at french i can tell you her cries were not fakeeeee she was fed up like i would have been i mean enough is enough you want your rocks getting off go buy yourself a freaking porn video or find yourself a *****. Oh and by the way that's what she was calling him. She was telling him stop Tom you ***** putin in french means ***** **** whatever you like.
 
Well I've never been involved in a situation that needed a safeword personally. But from what I understand about how this works, the "victim" can say STOP YOU @#$% (insert any expletives you wish here) until she's blue in the face, but if she REALLY wants it to stop, she will say the safeword. Its not the same thing. That's only my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong.

We don't know what the safeword was, so we don't know if she was saying it. She does indeed appear to be suffering toward the end, but screaming bloody murder and saying the safeword are not the same thing, as far as I understand. If she said the safeword and he didn't stop, then the ler violated their agreement and her trust to put herself in a very vulnerable situation, but we don't know if she did.
 
some1somewhere said:
My biggest concern in clips like this, even if it was known before hand that it would be a tickling "torture," in the sense that it is used here, is that we might not ever see this great ticklee again as she might no longer enjoy it and might be afraid of being tickled. How many super ticklish girls do you know that hate to be tickled because someone in their past tortured them a little too much? I mean one person can't control themselves and the rest of us are deprived of a beautiful ticklee. I am not saying that this is the case in this clip, but I have seen some clips become final clips for the ticklee because it went too far, even if it was predetermined that it would very far along that road.

Now this guy has a valid point. I agree that the nature of this clip has risked Camille not agreeing to another clip, which would be a damn shame. I still love the clip, but I hope that the experience has not affected her willingness to do more clips....
 
OBleedingMe said:
It is quite evident that many of you have absolutely no concept of how the BDSM world works. Insex, like my other quality BDSM sites out there, are being forcibly SHOUT DOWN by the United States government. That is the ONLY reason Insex shut down.


If they showed clips of people being tortured, and didn't demonstrate in any way that it was fake and/or consensual, then good for the government and good riddance to "Insex.com."
 
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