Playful Tickling Videos?

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[TMF Jeff]

I think it's a little bit of one-upsmanship, but also, the bottom line is that hardcore stuff sells better.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I figured something like that, but, and maybe I'm wrong here, I think a couple years ago a lot of vids being made were more tame. So it's kind of interesting to look at the progression too.

That's a good point, and I think it's true, things have gotten edgier and more intense over time.

 

[Meister1957]

my two pennies worth

You posed an interesting question.

I personally love the 'playful' tickle scenarios. The market if saturated with 'tickle torture' tight bondage stuff.

Example of what I like is the ( now sadly defunct) Clips4sale store 'Tickle play Polish Girls'. for those who don't know their stuff, their clips were proper 'girl next door' types, tickling each other on street clothes. No bondage, no revealing outfits, just a bunch of girls pinning and tickling each other. Kinda stuff you may see in parks and on the bach. Sadley that store seems closed now.

I wish somebody would fil that market gap.

Living in hope

Meister:

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

Personally i've always been a playful, because I want her to be as comfotable as possible and not to worry if it going to get to intense ( unless she wants it that way ) cuz i can be a hell of a ler if i wanted to let that side show

 

[Tickles_4_U]

i'd be wiling to experiment a little with none bondage tickle play type videos if there were enough people that wanted it. But sometimes its hard to gauge what people say here about a video because it doesn't always reflect the sales in the clips store.


mike

 

[Sandrock74]

Ever since the whole tickle torture/orgasm thing started (I think by TIB?), its been downhill fast ever since as far as a non-nudity/non-sexual/non-genital or boob fondling, etc. tickle clips go. Personally, I loved the early days of realtickling.com because they didn't do any of that, they just tied chicks up and tickled them! How interesting.

Seems like too many producers (not all) have gotten away from that simple concept. I like Last Laugh, Tickle Abuse and LOL because they all still cater to the good old fashioned "tie 'em up and tickle 'em" motif! How novel!

 

[BellaRisa]

From what I can tell, the harder vids do sell well but so does the more lighthearted material *if* the tickling is still real and effective. Hell, my best seller ever has a girl rolled in pink bubblewrap, with a lot of my goofy sense of humor. It's been very well received largely because it's not dark or punishment oriented (plus people love Cheryl's laugh), based on the feedback I've gotten. I think the pendulum will swing back toward lighter fare with more humor as newer producers get comfortable with their own style and don't feel as much need to do what the other guys are doing

 

[Tomskee]

Californiabeachfeet on c4s has no bondage, non-sexual tickling that's very good. The focus is entirely feet though. Laughter is Beautiful is another good playful tickling store.

 

[Iggy]

I think it's a little bit of one-upsmanship, but also, the bottom line is that hardcore stuff sells better.

I find that interesting you say that, Jeff.

Having said that, I still think there's a market for the playful aspect. One of you best classic videos was the first one you did with Farra, and the interplay and her thoughts was one of the better parts of it. It's also why I like producers like Frenchtickling, since a lot of these girls next door have never done a tickling video, and their mental reactions to tickling are almost as fun to watch as the physical reactions.

 

[CurtWild]

And as of late, I think the tight bondage/tickle torture/forced orgasm/heavy punishment scenario vids are dominating the vid/clip section.

I attribute it to the habit producers have of trying to "one-up" the next guy or raise the bar in terms of tickle vids. But, that doesn't necessarily mean, more extreme.

i think it goes in cycles and the "one up" thing does play into it

now a lot of people are making the forced orgasm etc type clips. i also think the foot worship/tickling vids are big now

soon someone will come along with a new type of vid and people will flock to it,then the vid makers will get into that type of clip

i think there will always be vid producers that will stick to one sort of clip but you just have to search for them

 

[myfeet]

Nice Topic.

But like anything we need a mix of both. speaking as a lee the more intense tortures type give out more anxiety, so i more or less prefer the more tamer just to make you laugh and make you look silly vids.....but sometimes the ler in me gets out i i want to see someone BEG!

 

[Amnesiac]

The hardcore stuff sells very well for a number of reasons, but I figure that one of the big ones is because of something film theorists refer to as "THE SPECTACLE", otherwise known as "eye candy."

The hardcore stuff relies on brief, intense and extraordinarily visible interaction and reaction; there's no missing what goes on.

Lighthearted stuff is excellent, but as we all know from personal experience, the lighthearted stuff is composed of small, subtle, almost telepathically transferred moments; it's the FEELING, CHEMISTRY, and NON-VERBAL stuff that makes it a lighthearted moment, and that is a subjective experience, and THAT does NOT translate very well to a visual medium.

To convey light moments and their power, you have to DESIGN the images and then show them in a carefully arranged way, but most importantly, you have to rely on non-visual aggregates that work subconsciously:

1. Audible breathing
2. Creasing of fabric or bedsprings
3. The sound of moisture when a 'lee opens/closes their mouths
4. Room tone - taking all the ambient sound out of the clip since we block it out during a session anyway
5. Macro shots of clothing/skin/tackle textures, which require lots of intricate lighting
6. Expert knowledge of editing and sound design to manage this all effectively.

So basically, you have to artificially create the intimacy that the viewer is automatically left out of, and if you do that, any authenticity of the scene is GONE...try to maintain the sub-space when you're stopping to change the lights every few minutes. It's also more hard work than the point-and-shoot method currently employed.

The best source we can currently use is writing because the amount of information HELPS, not hurts; you can also go into multiple character's heads and report their feelings without throwing off the perspective.

But so far, any examples of people trying to do this visually are the kind of femme glamour-porn of Veronica Heart, Candida Royale and Michael Ninn...lots of stylization, but there's no tension or animal magnetism that makes sex or tickling so great. In fact, those are the videos we all laugh at for how fake they look.

I think it can be done, and am in the process of drafting some of these new prototypes at my drawing board...but I still don't think it can be done without ruining the authenticity of the scene.

 

[tmac]

This surprises me that people are "complaining that there are no tickle videos with playful narratives." I didn't even know it was a high demand because as a tickle video producer that offers playful scenarios ,with girl- next- door types, it seems like the hardcore stuff like full nude/ tight bondage/tickle torture/forced orgasm/foot worship/footjobs/heavy punishment scenarios probably get a lot more business. Each of these areas cover some sort of fetish, hence why this style dominates the market-giving people what they want and producing what sells. I constantly get emails wanting more of nude and hardcore stuff in the clips I produce. The girls I use would never do that stuff.

Its not my style and one of the reasons I started Laughter is Beautiful. LIB is influenced by Jeff's fun early stuff with models like Mary, Jacki, and Farra. I'm sure he added more hardcore stuff because it sells better. The tickling world is diverse but my taste lean towards something one can relate to: a ticklish girl is with you on the couch, you're giving a girl massage, the girl is trying to study or talk on the phone, etc.

So, to plug myself here, check out our long preview samples at laughterisbeautiful.us if you're looking for playful (non-nude) girl-next-door type content. You'll probably find something you like.

T-Mac
laughterisbeautiful.us
http://www.youtube.com /user/laughterisbeautiful8

 

[jamjmslghrn]

i like the more playful tickling, especially where the girl is having her feet very lightly stroked and she is really enjoying it. definitely don't see enough of these. did see one on youtube the other day dated april 2008. a very pretty girl was at the office with her very pretty bare feet up on the desk while she was on the phone. after about 1 minute another girl came in and started tickling her feet very slowly and sensually. the girl on the phone was obviously enjoying this, continued talking on the phone and smiling at her tickler. very very nice : )

 

[quinn65]

I believe that the hardcore / multiple fetish type videos are what sells, but I think in the past year we have seen almost nothing but these types of videos. Obviously, producers will want to make what sells, but variety is good too because of the different people that have different relationships with tickling.

We would have posted more playful stuff in the last 6 months if I'd been able to get a freakin' shoot scheduled!!! 😉

We've just had a run of bad luck with busy spring/summer schedules. Hopefully things will pick up later this year. Never had so much in the pipeline and so little on film.

We keep things casual I suppose because 1) that's our "relationship with tickling" as Annie put it, and 2) we're all RL friends, so anything more would get pretty awkward.

I've had surprisingly few requests to get into edgier stuff.

-Q.

 

[daryl]

The bondage or lack of it is not the issue. Plenty of vids have featured tight bondage, but the interaction between lee and ler is light-hearted. The verbal interaactions between the two are the key there, even in a role-play scenario (like the early Christina Carter/Jackie vids on Tickle Central)

 

[jj82277]

I think it's a little bit of one-upsmanship, but also, the bottom line is that hardcore stuff sells better.

I thought as much.

the truth is that for a large cross section of people here that tickling exists in a context of BDSM. and within that context for a lot of people it is a precursor or addition to a direct sexual act. so the gentlement like VIPER (a genius in his own right) have a pretty interesting market niche to cater to. and looking back PERSONALLY to the original das of realtickilng i can only wish and dream that Kristin lea, cierra baynes, and oh my god priscilla james had existed in this era. the vids alone would be...

anyway.

i think that represents a slight majority.

all that being said i think that there is also a very raal dependable light hearted or playful tickling group out there that should be catered to. even in the stories that i write, there are certain people that have voiced to me that they enjoy the more playful scenes over the OTHER stuff, and that is perfectly okay.

i have my own theories about the evolution of that thought process, but...

anyway.

 

[jj82277]

I believe that the hardcore / multiple fetish type videos are what sells, but I think in the past year we have seen almost nothing but these types of videos. Obviously, producers will want to make what sells, but variety is good too because of the different people that have different relationships with tickling.

and i think that there are a lot of sites that cater to everyone.

charlie with tickle torture covers the entire gamet from intense f/m genital tickling past the point of climax, female forced orgasm, to my friend maia came over and i tickled her feet on the couch.

capitalism works.

if there is a real market for said material then people will eventually pick up on it and produce it. the smart ones will diversify.

 

[The Last Laugh]

capitalism works.

if there is a real market for said material then people will eventually pick up on it and produce it. the smart ones will diversify.

What if a producer isn't interested in diversifying, not being especially attracted to stuff other than what he/she usually produces? What if selling as much as possible at all costs isn't all that important to that producer? Does not exploiting the capitalist system to the max make him/her stupid (hehehe)?

I suppose I could make a little more money by adding some more hardcore elements to my work, like nudity and the like. But I'm not big on that stuff (neither are my models, for that matter), and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it that way. I prefer to stick to the style I've had more or less since I started (it hasn't changed that much overall), even if it means making less profit. It's just not worth doing something I don't like.

Then again, I do understand the producers who diversity and do more racy stuff. It does sell better, so I can't blame them. But it's just not my thing.

 

[gargoyleofdusk]

Producers should make what they want, and not just please the audience. Not everyone is for heavy bondage, non-consentual, sexual, and the like. I, myslef, prefer playful tickling with some light bondage - I don't wish the 'lee to be in any pain or major discomfort whilst being tickled. Nudity, as well, is something I prefer not to see, nor buy clips of. I do, however, love foot wear removal.

Once again, it to each their own - producers, models, and the consumers. If need be, maybe tweak a little of the video content, but there are so many producers - everyone is bound to find their audience, and their producer.

If I have reiterated any points, I apologize. Last Laugh - I truly love your work.

 

[Casey_HU]

I totally agree with several of the posters here. Many of us who do tickling scenes (either shared or distributed to the public for profit) and stick with a certain style or preference do it quite simply because it's awesome, fun, and what WE enjoy. Like some others said, believe it or not, there are some of us out here that shoot what WE like, and not shoot something just because it might bring in some more bucks. Sometimes it's something playful in tone and feel. Nothing against those companies or individuals that do the hard stuff...that's the beauty part of this whole thing; there are different strokes for different folks.

I think I'd personally fall into the same category that Quinn65 is...I shoot with a small group of ladies that I consider friends. It would be absolutely awkward to shoot something with an intense or "hardcore" feeling to it. When you "hire" some random lifestyle person is one thing, when you work with people you're friends with is something else. In my opinion, those (hard) are best left to the people that specialize in them, using women that can handle it (and enjoy it)...otherwise it just looks sleazy to me. But hey, we all know what opinions are like... 🙂

Casey
www.heroineuniverse.com

 

[jj82277]

What if a producer isn't interested in diversifying, not being especially attracted to stuff other than what he/she usually produces? What if selling as much as possible at all costs isn't all that important to that producer? Does not exploiting the capitalist system to the max make him/her stupid (hehehe)?

no, inherently in the capitalists system according to smith there is an inherent need for everyone to express moral axims or personal tastes in the market place. the goal of every company is not to fuly maximize profit. there are other companies that serve moral or preferential purposes and carve out a niche but still compete well and survive at the market place.

that is why in true capitalism competition should be approaching infinity. there should alys be a wide diversity for the consumer to pick from and the inherent diverse opinions and preferences of the producers within the construct of capitalism helps facilitate this large range of selection. 🙂

I suppose I could make a little more money by adding some more hardcore elements to my work, like nudity and the like. But I'm not big on that stuff (neither are my models, for that matter), and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it that way. I prefer to stick to the style I've had more or less since I started (it hasn't changed that much overall), even if it means making less profit. It's just not worth doing something I don't like.

Then again, I do understand the producers who diversity and do more racy stuff. It does sell better, so I can't blame them. But it's just not my thing.

and last... i think that your vids are a great example of something that has developed a longterm competative advantage without bridging outside of a consumer level.

and personally. i think that your vids appeal to more than just the strictly play group. looking at the vid caps from the newest vid with the bench and the toe restraints...

anyway. i applaud you for sticking to what you believe in and i honestly think that adding your distinctiveness to the arena of tickling media makes the entire whole better.

 

[The Last Laugh]

and last... i think that your vids are a great example of something that has developed a longterm competative advantage without bridging outside of a consumer level.

Wow, I didn't realize my work was competitive, heheh! It sure doesn't feel like it. I occupy a fairly small niche, and there are many other producers who are a lot bigger and more successful than I am, especially among the more hardcore ones. Though there are some producers who do stuff that's similar to mine and who seem quite popular indeed, which is actually kind of heartening. To tell the truth, considering The Last Laugh is just a minor sideline for me, I don't do that badly. I do well enough that going on for a while longer is still worth it (though how much longer I really can't tell). In any case, I thank you for the compliments. It means a lot to me.