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Poly Relationships: For or Against. Why?

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I myself, would personally never be able to do it. I need to know a person is all about me. But, if it works for other people then they should do whatever makes them happy. I can't knock other people because they are making themselves happy, that's just not who I am.
 
It would be utterly ridiculous for me to disagree with that statement 😛 I just feel like after awhile, the lack of sexual intimacy could/would blur the line between friendship and romance.

But of course, everyone is different!! That could very easily be just me 🙂

I'm not sure that I have such a clear-cut line between friendship and romance. And for me, I'm not sure such a distinction is necessary or desirable. Lindy is my lover and my best friend. And I've had friends who I've had physically intimate relationships with. And I have other friends who I'm just as attracted to, with whom I would gladly become physically intimate if the opportunity arose.
 
I do think it's a shame that our society has sort of a Highlander-esque, "there can be only one" attitude towards romantic relationships.

I know you're not being funny but this cracked me UP :manicd:
 
Also, as far as the show Big Love, I don't know how Bill Paxton's character does it. I'd probably have kil--divorced Chloe Sevigny's character a LONG time ago. The other two women are cool.

This. And Margene would never ever not be tied to my bed. I might untie her for showers :devil2:
 
This entire thread, while very interesting and informative, is making my head hurt LOL I'll revisit tomorrow 😛
 
I do think it's a shame that our society has sort of a Highlander-esque, "there can be only one" attitude towards romantic relationships. If someone in a monogamous relationship finds himself attracted to someone else, then there is this underlying assumption that he must choose one or the other, and furthermore, that choosing the new person means he no longer loves the person he was with. And even if he doesn't choose the new person, the fact that was even attracted to someone else may lead him to question his existing relationship.

I'm sorry, but this comment did not sit well with me.

I and many other people in this thread do NOT think it's a shame to have one person in a monogamous relationship. If the man thinks he needs someone else to fulfill his "needs", it's best he go and do that. But I take my monogamy very seriously and will NOT share my man with anyone. If poly works for you, fine. I don't like feeling looked down upon because I don't share your enlightened POV towards sex and relationships.

As far as the poly world is concerned, as long as everyone is consenting adults, go for it.
 
I'm sorry, but this comment did not sit well with me.

I and many other people in this thread do NOT think it's a shame to have one person in a monogamous relationship. If the man thinks he needs someone else to fulfill his "needs", it's best he go and do that. But I take my monogamy very seriously and will NOT share my man with anyone. If poly works for you, fine. I don't like feeling looked down upon because I don't share your enlightened POV towards sex and relationships.

As far as the poly world is concerned, as long as everyone is consenting adults, go for it.

Kis, Icycle wasn't saying it's a shame to be monogamous. I happen to know he respect it just as I do. He's talking about people who aren't actually wired that way, but feel they have to act monogamous in order to be 'correct'. And living a lie is a shame, I think you'd agree. :bubble:
 
Kis, Icycle wasn't saying it's a shame to be monogamous. I happen to know he respect it just as I do. He's talking about people who aren't actually wired that way, but feel they have to act monogamous in order to be 'correct'. And living a lie is a shame, I think you'd agree. :bubble:

Then if that's the intent, maybe it should've been worded that way.

That's not the way I read it......even after reading it over several times. Everyone wants the "what I do with my sex life is my business" treatment, then monogamists should receive the same shouldn't we?
 
Then if that's the intent, maybe it should've been worded that way.

That's not the way I read it......even after reading it over several times. Everyone wants the "what I do with my sex life is my business" treatment, then monogamists should receive the same shouldn't we?

You're determined to be cranky today, I can tell :Kiss2:

Of course monogamists should receive the same treatment regarding doing as they please sexually. And if they choose to discuss it in a public forum for debate.... :devil2:
 
Then if that's the intent, maybe it should've been worded that way.

That's not the way I read it......even after reading it over several times. Everyone wants the "what I do with my sex life is my business" treatment, then monogamists should receive the same shouldn't we?

I apologize for the confusion. Bella is right about what I meant: it is a shame that there are people who aren't necessarily wired up as monogamists who feel like they must conform to that model, even if it isn't the best for them, simply because they know of no other model. I fullly understand and respect monogamy. My original draft said all this explicitly, but I thought it was getting a little long winded, and I thought the comment that I did post stood on its own, so I dropped the explicit clarification.
 
This. And Margene would never ever not be tied to my bed. I might untie her for showers :devil2:

Dawwwww. Nikki's a bitch, sure. But look at how she grew up! Of course she's a mess.

I do agree about the Margene part. She's just amazing. :swayparrot:
 
I do think it's a shame that our society has sort of a Highlander-esque, "there can be only one" attitude towards romantic relationships.

I think it's pretty clear that you're talking about society's general attitude here (the clue to me was your use of the word "society" 😉 ). No one on this thread has said that monogamy isn't a fine choice. It's the fact that poly isn't a choice at all as far as most people are concerned, or even know about, that's a shame. People should be able to live and love as they choose, and part of that is knowing what their options are.

Icycle and I discovered this lifestyle on our own, with no books or people to help us figure things out. Since it turns out that being poly does work for us (indeed, enhances our lives immensely), we're very lucky to be the sort of people willing to explore outside of what society dictates. Yet we still know that our parents and a lot of our friends would freak if they knew, so we live kind of closeted about it. It's not as big a deal as being gay, at least for us, but still kind of sucks. It'd be nice if society in general could be more understanding; surely this idea must resonate with a forum full of ticklephiles.
 
I can't imagine anyone having a poly relationship and not having problems. Of course, the same can be said for monogamous ones, although I would think they'd be a smaller scale since there's just one other person involved.

More power to those that can successfully do the multiple partner/husband/wife thing. Me? Can't do it.
 
I think it's pretty clear that you're talking about society's general attitude here (the clue to me was your use of the word "society" 😉 ). No one on this thread has said that monogamy isn't a fine choice. It's the fact that poly isn't a choice at all as far as most people are concerned, or even know about, that's a shame. People should be able to live and love as they choose, and part of that is knowing what their options are.

Icycle and I discovered this lifestyle on our own, with no books or people to help us figure things out. Since it turns out that being poly does work for us (indeed, enhances our lives immensely), we're very lucky to be the sort of people willing to explore outside of what society dictates. Yet we still know that our parents and a lot of our friends would freak if they knew, so we live kind of closeted about it. It's not as big a deal as being gay, at least for us, but still kind of sucks. It'd be nice if society in general could be more understanding; surely this idea must resonate with a forum full of ticklephiles.

I respect the choices you make for yourself. But I disagree in the fact that most adults don`t know about poly. It is still very common in some cultures. I am assuming you are talking more about North America. There are still small sects that practice poly today. It has been around as long as have people. The fact that the majority tend to go for a monogamous relationship over the centuries is how it has ended up by majority rules. If poly works for you, then more power to you!
 
I apologize for the confusion. Bella is right about what I meant: it is a shame that there are people who aren't necessarily wired up as monogamists who feel like they must conform to that model, even if it isn't the best for them, simply because they know of no other model. I fullly understand and respect monogamy. My original draft said all this explicitly, but I thought it was getting a little long winded, and I thought the comment that I did post stood on its own, so I dropped the explicit clarification.

Thank you. I really didn't want to pick a fight; it just didn't read right to me.

I apologize

And bella, I'm NOT cranky........:manicd:
 
I can't imagine anyone having a poly relationship and not having problems. Of course, the same can be said for monogamous ones, although I would think they'd be a smaller scale since there's just one other person involved.
If you don't have an occasional problem then you probably don't have a relationship - monogamous, poly, or whatever else. I think you're right then to say that it applies across the board.

I wouldn't say that poly problems are necessarily "bigger" than mono problems. That's because even though there are more than two people in the relationship, problems are usually people-sized, no matter how many people are involved.

Most poly issues are the same as monogamous issues - money, communication, housework, differing priorities, and so on. Some of these problems are more complex in poly relationships, while others are smaller and simpler.

For example, deciding priorities - what to save for, what to look for in a house, where to live, etc. - can be more complicated in a poly relationship, simply because there are more people involved, more perspectives to take into account. This isn't necessarily true, because often a poly relationship consists of a primary "core" - often a couple - and a number of other people who aren't actually involved in the core couple's big decisions. But if there's more than two people in the core group then this can happen.

On the other hand money is often a smaller issue in a poly relationship, because you have more than two wage-earners in a single home. This has worked out well for me: my triad has made it through several financial tough spots that probably would have swamped any two of us.

On balance, I'd say that poly relationships require more attention, but the problems aren't really more severe overall.
 
I respect the choices you make for yourself. But I disagree in the fact that most adults don`t know about poly. It is still very common in some cultures. I am assuming you are talking more about North America. There are still small sects that practice poly today.

Pretty much. I'm also talking about the variety of polyamory in which multiple people engage in a relationship as equals. Not the kind that basically amounts to male ownership over a harem of females.

It has been around as long as have people. The fact that the majority tend to go for a monogamous relationship over the centuries is how it has ended up by majority rules.

No. It's not like there was a vote. Governments and churches made this decision for everyone under their power. They have immersed people in the message that having more than one partner is both illegal and immoral. Living otherwise requires swimming upstream against powerful social pressures.

Besides, even if the majority of people do prefer monogamous relationships for themselves, that doesn't justify disallowing other people having poly ones. I'm not saying you're doing this - I'm merely pointing out that the majority of Americans feel perfectly comfortable requiring everyone to live by their personal standards of morality. The fact that over half of Californians, of all people, voted for banning gay marriage in our last election demonstrates this clearly, and I'm certain the margin against polyamorous marriages would have been enormous. Most people simply don't agree with the concept that consenting adults should be able to live and love as they like.
 
Pretty much. I'm also talking about the variety of polyamory in which multiple people engage in a relationship as equals. Not the kind that basically amounts to male ownership over a harem of females.



No. It's not like there was a vote. Governments and churches made this decision for everyone under their power. They have immersed people in the message that having more than one partner is both illegal and immoral. Living otherwise requires swimming upstream against powerful social pressures.

Besides, even if the majority of people do prefer monogamous relationships for themselves, that doesn't justify disallowing other people having poly ones. I'm not saying you're doing this - I'm merely pointing out that the majority of Americans feel perfectly comfortable requiring everyone to live by their personal standards of morality. The fact that over half of Californians, of all people, voted for banning gay marriage in our last election demonstrates this clearly, and I'm certain the margin against polyamorous marriages would have been enormous. Most people simply don't agree with the concept that consenting adults should be able to live and love as they like.

but the majority make the decision on most things. I am sure you probably own a car. Most people do; a church or government doesn`t make you ride in an automobile or own one. you are fully within your right to walk , ride a bike or a horse in most places, the majority over the centuries decided that automobiles were the best form of transport so we built rodes all over the country.

My point is the majority make the rules on just about everything. there have to be rules and regulations or it would be complete anarchy. You brought same sex relationships, while in most places they can`t marry, they are still able to be a couple, even to the point of being able to adopt kids.
 
If other people wanna do that, that's fine by me.

Hell, we might as well legalize polygamy too, since it's not really the government's business who you can marry or how many.

All I know is I don't wanna get tangled up in that shit.
 
but the majority make the decision on most things. I am sure you probably own a car. Most people do; a church or government doesn`t make you ride in an automobile or own one. you are fully within your right to walk , ride a bike or a horse in most places, the majority over the centuries decided that automobiles were the best form of transport so we built rodes all over the country.
No, Lindy is correct. Cars and relationship standards developed over very different time periods, and by very different mechanisms.

You can't talk about automobiles becoming established by centuries of tradition: the internal combustion engine has been around for only a bit over a century. Cars became our dominant transportation paradigm because they offer specific advantages over any other method: speed, convenience, and so on. And a great deal of car-friendly infrastructure (eg, the interstate highway system) was put in place before the major drawbacks of automobiles were obvious (back when fuel was cheap and there wasn't a lot of pollution).

Today, cars have a strong competitive advantage for many people. Still, there are no laws forbidding them from trying alternatives. People have the right to bike, walk, take the bus, and so on. Many people do. But a larger number find that, for them, those alternatives don't work as well as their cars.

Monogamy is a completely different situation. Monogamous marriage became an institution centuries ago, when the notion of "majority rule" was simply laughable. People in the Roman Empire and medieval Europe did whatever the church and their rulers told them to do.

It was that simple. If you wanted to get married at all, you had to get married by the church, and the church would not marry you if you weren't a monogamous heterosexual couple. Adultery was illegal - not because "the people" wanted it that way, but because the church and the King said it would be that way.

After centuries of this, people have come to view monogamy as the way things must be done simply because it's the only way they know. But it's not as though this was a free choice decided by a free market, as automobiles were. Competing models have been forbidden by law, to this very day (see laws against bigamy).

My point is the majority make the rules on just about everything. there have to be rules and regulations or it would be complete anarchy. You brought same sex relationships, while in most places they can`t marry, they are still able to be a couple, even to the point of being able to adopt kids.
That has changed only within the last decade, and some states still don't have domestic partnership laws. In those states that do have such laws, domestic partnerships might or might not carry all the benefits of marriage. They still have no recognition at the federal level, which affects things like taxes, next of kin rights, and so on.

Look, ask yourself this: if domestic partnerships were really, truly, in all ways identical to marriages, then why would conservative religious groups need to go so far as to ban gay marriages in their state constitutions? If "domestic partnership equals marriage" in all ways then why is the distinction so important? In particular, why does the government need to enforce this distinction, if there really is no distinction?

No, gay couples and poly partnerships still do not have all the rights of straight couples. Even the people who claim they do really know better - they fight hard to keep it that way.
 
No, Lindy is correct. Cars and relationship standards developed over very different time periods, and by very different mechanisms.

You can't talk about automobiles becoming established by centuries of tradition: the internal combustion engine has been around for only a bit over a century. Cars became our dominant transportation paradigm because they offer specific advantages over any other method: speed, convenience, and so on. And a great deal of car-friendly infrastructure (eg, the interstate highway system) was put in place before the major drawbacks of automobiles were obvious (back when fuel was cheap and there wasn't a lot of pollution).

Today, cars have a strong competitive advantage for many people. Still, there are no laws forbidding them from trying alternatives. People have the right to bike, walk, take the bus, and so on. Many people do. But a larger number find that, for them, those alternatives don't work as well as their cars.

Monogamy is a completely different situation. Monogamous marriage became an institution centuries ago, when the notion of "majority rule" was simply laughable. People in the Roman Empire and medieval Europe did whatever the church and their rulers told them to do.

It was that simple. If you wanted to get married at all, you had to get married by the church, and the church would not marry you if you weren't a monogamous heterosexual couple. Adultery was illegal - not because "the people" wanted it that way, but because the church and the King said it would be that way.

After centuries of this, people have come to view monogamy as the way things must be done simply because it's the only way they know. But it's not as though this was a free choice decided by a free market, as automobiles were. Competing models have been forbidden by law, to this very day (see laws against bigamy).

That has changed only within the last decade, and some states still don't have domestic partnership laws. In those states that do have such laws, domestic partnerships might or might not carry all the benefits of marriage. They still have no recognition at the federal level, which affects things like taxes, next of kin rights, and so on.

Look, ask yourself this: if domestic partnerships were really, truly, in all ways identical to marriages, then why would conservative religious groups need to go so far as to ban gay marriages in their state constitutions? If "domestic partnership equals marriage" in all ways then why is the distinction so important? In particular, why does the government need to enforce this distinction, if there really is no distinction?

No, gay couples and poly partnerships still do not have all the rights of straight couples. Even the people who claim they do really know better - they fight hard to keep it that way.

I believe you are missing my point. the reason things are the way they are is because the majority of people over the course of 100`s of years made it that way.

I never said poly or same sex couples were treated equal. Most people are pretty tolerant in regards to others rights. You are in a poly relationship, if it works for you; I am happy for you. You have the right to be happy in any relationships you have. I would bet on a daily basis you probably don`t run into any major problems and live an ordinary life like the rest of us in monogamous relationships
 
I believe you are missing my point. the reason things are the way they are is because the majority of people over the course of 100`s of years made it that way.
And I believe you are missing the point that this claim is simply, factually wrong. Majority rule didn't even have any meaning in Western society until about 250 years ago, and a lot of the institutions we now have (including straight monogamous marriage) were established long before that, by people who didn't even ask the majority for an opinion.

Most people are pretty tolerant in regards to others rights.
On what planet?

I would bet on a daily basis you probably don`t run into any major problems and live an ordinary life like the rest of us in monogamous relationships
You would be wrong. I have two wives, but the state and federal government recognizes only one of them. This affects us nearly every day, in ways both large and small.
 
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