question for the head honchos

[nylontickler]

I was just curious as to copywrite infringements. I have a whole bunch of clips that aren't posted yet, but they're from the companies like Magic T. A lot of people have asked me to post some, and I just wondered if I could post them?? Let me know please, if I can I will try and do it.

 

[Myriads]

Posting

Jeff has said many times that it's cool to post his promo clips. Feel free! Many users will thank you.

Myriads

 

[TMF Jeff]

Ya, as far as Im concerned youre welcome to post anything of mine that you have, as long as its something I put together myself and not your own clips from my videos 🙂

 

[nylontickler]

Thanks

Thanks Guys, now all I have to do is figure out how to do it. I have quite a few, and they're the long ones that are on the MTP site. Anyone, anyone.......If you need a website to post them, I'll try and send some to anyone with a website to get it done faster. I'll eventually have to start up my own website though. Thanks Again!
n

 

[Kujman1]

Copyiright no-no's.....

Its nice to see someone asking about this and showing respect for other's work... so many times copyright is ignored and disaster follows.

The basic rule is this: If you get written permission from them (not a handshake, a nod, a wink, or an assumption like "well, they didn't write back, so I guess it's ok!")- and you have stated clearly where and when you wish to use their material, then you are in the clear.

And 9 times out of 10 if you ask, they'll say sure!

But online tickling history (and other festishes) are filled with horror stories of those that didn't ask- and more than one ticklng website, well loved, has suffered that fate unto to it's terminal conclusion. Some did jail time, too. Worth considering the odds.

Here are some basic outlines for anyone with interest to this:

The issue of copyright has ALWAYS been very clear- but as of late, with the internet, ticklers and other onliners have adapated the selfish and weird attitude that they can do anything they wish because it's "public domain" (it is NOT) without asking anyone for anything... and that simply because THEY want the rules to be different, the law miraculously changes just for their case..


........well, it doesn't.


And the old excuse that "well a buddy sent it to me, and he didn't tell me...blah blah blah... and no one claimed it...blah blah blah" doesn't float. As an actual Judge told the loser in one of my cases, (and I quote)"Young man, as in another case I just ruled on, it doesn't matter if you actually stole the car, or were just in it- but YOU were the one CAUGHT driving it- and YOU'LL do the time."

For those that doubt or seek more info:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright

From AOL: aol://4344:431.COPYRITE.1310783.471311852

Nothing is worse than having YOUR hard work stolen and used. Imagine coming home from a hard days work, and finding another guy at YOUR house, wearing YOUR clothes, using YOUR car, eating your food, using your bank account... and getting ALL the credit for your hard work?

I'll give you a personal example from many that I can share from my own life:

Clueless Joe used to take my photos w/o my permission and make collages out of them with all sorts of fake narration or stories as to what really happened- he never bothered to ask me the truth... and many of those fictional stories stick to me to this day... even when I told him point blank to stop, he didn't, and I persued other ways... yet all I would see are MY photos being used his way, and hear day and night "how great Clueless Joes collages are!" and Clueless Joe this and that... with no one ever giving tought to this question: what's harder? Taking others photos and simply making collages in the safety of your home, without a drop of sweat? Or actually having to go out and DO the work and take the public risks??

 

[asutickler]

If you really want to swipe something without permission...

Hey, just remember: If you really, REALLY want to use someone else's copyrighted materials, but don't want to go to the bother of getting permission, there's a simple loophole for you in US copyright law. You see, copyrights expire after a set period of time...

All you have to do is wait 95 (I think. It might be 100) years from the date the material was copyrighted (or from the date it was made, if there is no "registered" copyright) and you can use it to your heart's content. Just don't use it in a way that is defamatory to its creator, or you can still be sued by them or their estate...

Simple, huh?

Oh, btw, the above does NOT apply to written texts, which are protected for the author's lifetime plus 70 years by the Copyright Extension Act of 1998.

I have WAY too much time on my hands... LOL


ASUTickler

 

[ktickler]

A question

Kujman,

You put the collage as an example of copyright infrigement. I have a question...

I do not think that anyone thought that Clueless Joe was the one who "took" the pictures. At least, I always knew that he was just doing the work of getting a bunch of pictures together. I guess the only appealing thing is that instead of looking at 5-10 separate pictures, I was looking at just one.

I do agree that he should have asked the authors first and he should have acknowledge them as the source. However, why are you so sensisitive about a collage? It is not as if he was taking credit for you work. He never said (as far as I know) that he was the one who took the pictures. The collage itself was his work and I think he was thanked for that effort only.

Thanks,

Knight Tickler

 

[Scooby112211]

What about the HITWGang? A bunch of guys with scanners and photoshop scanning pictures from magazines and other sources. I'm all for it, as I see it as a form of art. Much like covering a song in a rock band. However, some may say that you should only use what was published online...what do you guys think??

 

[ktickler]

Different points of view...

Hi Scooby:

Copyright has always been a gloomy area for me. I always wanted to be recognized for the work I did, and I still do. However, I have never been a control freak. I do not mind people using my work as long as they recognize that I was the one who did it. If they modify it in such a way that it then becomes their "invention", it is fine with me as long as they recognize that the core came from me.

Looking for an analogy, I think I am like the Open Source concept (a la Linux). Grant full access, but always make sure that authors are acknowledged. Companies take the core work and package it to make money out of it. However, they never claim they are the ones who did the work. They only provide a packaging + distribution service + maintenance.

Bye,

Knight Tickler

 

[Kujman1]

Response to Ktickler...

As far as copyright, I've pretty much laid it out and spoken all I can about it- it's up to individuals to choose their own route and do what they think is right and wrong: it really only reflects on their own personalities.

So that's about it.

Some notes to respond to a question by Ktickler about Joe, when he wrote:

"I do agree that he should have asked the authors first and he should have acknowledge them as the source. However, why are you so sensisitive about a collage?>>

Mainly because I asked him not to- very nicely many times... and he adopted the attitude that he didn't need my permission- which really pissed me off.

You have to know Joe to understand why. This began because Joe was a religious nut at times who would toss out all my stuff he collected by the 100's on a whim, and then the next week he'd be an avid tickle freak who would do outrageous things to meet me and then get my material back... he lived in Ohio, and when TklTracy, Cindyioo and Tab and I all lived/played together they sometimes would chat with him on the phone- and said that one day he should plan to visit... but his swaying back and forth between religion and tickling was too erratic to predict for a visit. The times he said he'd come- he'd get within an hour of us, then turn around and head back.

Then one day as the three of us were heading out to a wedding, he just "showed up" and became enraged because we wouldn't change our plans (we were all IN part of the wedding ceremony) and meet with him- and then wanted to go to the wedding, and followed us all over. He stormed off finally, burning rubber, and was pissed for a long time.

Then he dropped tickling.

Then he came back.

Then he dropped out again.

Then he contacted me and wanted me to send him copies of everything I had ever done and wanted to make deals about collages and such... and I said no.

Here's the eerie part-

The very next thing I got from him was a phone call (maybe two months later), when he started reading my Father's discarded mail and bills to me... and I was in utter confusion. He then bragged how he drove all the way to NJ to track me down because he couldn't remember where we lived.. somehow dug up my Dad's address (not mine) and then went through all his garbage cans looking for information about me and my material. He even went so far as to knock on my old man's door and when he opened it, Joe just took off.

At the end of this phone call, Joe then said "See? I wanted to prove to you how sane I was and how trustworthy! I could have said anything to your Dad (Ha! like he would have cared!) and used any of this information to do anything I wanted to him- but because I didn't, this proves that I'm normal and can be trusted. Now send me your photos."

Now someone please tell me if any of this sounds like normal trusting behaviour? It's like putting a loaded gun to someone's head and saying "See? I could pull the trigger if I wanted to, but I didn't so I'm normal".

The girls were so freaked out by that that they never spoke to him again- and niether did I, and that's what sent him into his collage tirage with my stuff. He would also go out of his way to cut me out of all photos with the help of Adobe. Other times he'd send me the photo collage in the mail, with HIS face pasted over MY face in all the photos... really too too weird.

These are some of the "heroes" out there that ticklers idolize.. and they have no idea how they treat me personally, and others no doubt.

You also said:

" It is not as if he was taking credit for you work."

He actually did to some, many times. In fact, it's not spilling the beans because it's already well known then when I came online the very first time, after the WWW had already been up and flourishing for years, he and Steve (of Steve and Beth fame) had other screen names they used and were telling others in chats and in mail that they were actully ME! They made up what they thought were true versions of what I did (I was suppossedly in jail for tickling all the time I was absent from this scene of course too), very horrendnous tales and outright lies, that have trailed me wherever I go. You can't unring a bell as they say.

" He never said (as far as I know) that he was the one who took the pictures. The collage itself was his work and I think he was thanked for that effort only. "

Yes- HE got the credit and thanks, my hard work simply went into the toilet. The real stories behind them are far more interesting than what he ever wrote- but no one's ever asked.

He put stories to them, in some cases how I dragged people out of parking lots against their will and gagged them, locked them in stocks at faires, with a sign around their necks saying "I'm an actress, pay no attention to my screams, please tickle me" and dumb things like that- just to make me mad enough to give him my material to shut him up. But it didn't work.

Even dumber ticklers actually believed that crapola and those rumors have stuck with me to this day.

But that's all history now.

 

[ktickler]

It all makes sense now

Kujman,

Thanks for the clarifications. It is always good to know where people are coming from. I had no idea about the background history. Now your comments make sense to me.

As you said, I guess it all boils down to what an individual wants to do regarding his/her material. It is always necessary to get his/her agreement (preferibly in writing) about what you can and cannot do with the material.

Take care,

Knight Tickler

 

[Strelnikov]

Copyright

Seems to me that Psycho had a disclaimer on the old Forum, something like the following:

"All copyrighted material posted here belongs to the originator. If you see anything of yours here, and want it removed, email me and I will do so immediately."

Probably not a bad approach when clips/images get passed around and no one knows where they originally came from.

Strelnikov