are you doing any preview clips at all anymore? I've purchased some clips in the past, and most have been great. One or two which I have bought without a preview clip weren't quite what I was looking for in terms of the lees ticklishness and skill of the the ler...A preview of your clips would be quite helpful. A general rule I have now is not to buy clips without some type of preview no matter what the track history is of the company as I don't want to buy a "lemon" of a tickling clip...Hopefully other clip makers who do not provide previews are reading this ...thanks much! Your company does rock for the most part by the way!
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what he said
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I agree. Does anyone have an idea why they stopped releasing previews at all?
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Don't bother asking or....
....you will be admonished by the moderators of the board.
....you will be admonished by the moderators of the board.
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I enjoy all of his "Bedspread and Tickle Tortured" clips. Some are better than others, but I've never purchased a bad one. Without preview clips, I can't trust the f/f productions, but Ticklemaster knows what he's doing. And his teasing of the 'lee adds a lot of fun.
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I actually purchased several of his clips late last year based solely on previews and his descriptions of the clips. He was one of the only producers that I felt like gave descriptions almost identical to what I would. 90% of them were exactly what I expected.
However, I got burned on a couple, and when he stopped doing previews, I stopped buying.
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TK
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I still enjoy his stuff
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Tickle Central here to speak!
You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.
You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.
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just let me know this:
Liz, from the video: "Liz Gets More Tickling"
Are there a lot of vids with her as the 'lee' and will you make anything else with her in the future?
Liz, from the video: "Liz Gets More Tickling"
Are there a lot of vids with her as the 'lee' and will you make anything else with her in the future?
I can go along with that. Firstly, there is a lot of trading. I have myself received PM's asking me to trade clips.
In the case of Ticklecentral, the site is clearly doing well. Without any aggressive sales promotion, it still manages to stay well up on the list of top sites on Clips4Sale. And when you see the kind of material produced by some of these sites, it is so far from the genuine thing that I don't even download the preview clips any longer. I can say that I have yet to purchase a bad clip from Ticklecentral. And s stated already, what is written in the description is what happens in the clip.
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I personally think that at ShyAndWildTickling.com we will continue making the preview video clips as a marketing method, but though us real tickle fetishist really enjoy making this stuff, T2D is quite right is pointing out that this is our media, created with lots of effort and cost.
There is a segment of the public who simply believe that sharing (stealing) music/videos/media hurts no one. This would be true if the media came from the ether.
I, like so many other producers have been approached by many individuals seeking free stuff that I have paid money for. The important thing here folks is that we have to nurture our thing (tickle fetish media) and support it with our pocket books, or it will not thrive.
Anytime a video producer gets upset or vents over this stuff, give us the benefit of the doubt. I've had to contact some of our producers (including T2D) several times to point them to links where people were showing the producer's full length videos for free. So who's going to buy that video when they can see it for free? And as those sales are lost, is the producer suppose to just dip into his personal funds to pay models to make more stuff to be stolen?
A very brief thought by everyone should evoke a clear unambiguous response to support our producers.
JD
Many thanks for the thorough and thoughtful answer.
I must respectfully and totally disagree with any companies decision to not post previews for one simple reason -
the vast majority of tickle model's AREN'T ticklish. The producers will grab the one frame where her head is thrown back, or she's smiling, but when you buy the clip....no laughter....at all. And they all talk about how EVERY model is SO unbelievably ticklish that you just won't believe it!!!, "Oh my GOOOOODD, she goes CRAZY when such-and-such just TOUCHES her feet!" on and on and on.... I keep wondering if they're watching the clips they sell, because I'm sure not seeing that....And when the average clip costs ten bucks, I'm sorry, but that's a lot of money that I could spend on ...anything else! So, I wish producers wouldn't get mad at those of us who actually BUY their clips, when we simply want to make sure the model is going to laugh! And what kind of laugh she has, I hate buying a clip, and hearing the model just scream her damn head off - screaming isn't laughter, it's screaming. OR, worse, the tickler TALKS, and talks, and talks, and talks....OVER the girl's laughing. I have not bought many a clip because the guy talks so much, the talking makes it into the preview clip!
And about trading/stealing clips - the preview clips are offered here to the general public, so if those clips are traded....why would they even be traded when they can just be downloaded here for free!? I don't understand what you guys are talking about? How is offering preview clips that everyone has access to lead to stealing clips? If someone buys a clip, then gives it to someone else, what does offering preview clips have anything to do with any of that? I've been confused about that every since it was first mentioned by other producers way back whenever. Someone please clear this up for me.
It just seems to me that when a preview isn't offered, it's like movies that aren't shown to critics before they're released - they usually suck. The clip isn't good, so they don't offer a preview, in hopes that people will buy it and get screwed. That's not cool. I support the tickling producers, I buy their clips, have given much advice on how to do things better, and offered many story ideas and scenarios and only expected good clips in return. But I have been burned many a times, and lost too much money. I am now very picky about the clips I buy, and buy a lot less than I used to. I have deleted many clips I paid good money on, because they were unwatchable. Crappy, fake laughter,... if any...., tickler talking the entire time, crappy video work, grainy footage and garbled audio, etc.
Guys, I love TickleCentral. You have made MUCH money from me. Your qulaity IS good. You used to use costumes and had different scenarios. You had Heather, who was your best ticklee, and Jackie and a few others (You know I've bought for a long time if I remember those two, like when Heather was a nurse who gets tickled, and Jackie was tickled on her black pantyhose feet.) Of course, on that note, you had many videos with PANTYHOSE!, which obviously I love. But I simply can't buy a clip without even a few seconds low res. preview. Hope you change your minds.
the vast majority of tickle model's AREN'T ticklish. The producers will grab the one frame where her head is thrown back, or she's smiling, but when you buy the clip....no laughter....at all. And they all talk about how EVERY model is SO unbelievably ticklish that you just won't believe it!!!, "Oh my GOOOOODD, she goes CRAZY when such-and-such just TOUCHES her feet!" on and on and on.... I keep wondering if they're watching the clips they sell, because I'm sure not seeing that....And when the average clip costs ten bucks, I'm sorry, but that's a lot of money that I could spend on ...anything else! So, I wish producers wouldn't get mad at those of us who actually BUY their clips, when we simply want to make sure the model is going to laugh! And what kind of laugh she has, I hate buying a clip, and hearing the model just scream her damn head off - screaming isn't laughter, it's screaming. OR, worse, the tickler TALKS, and talks, and talks, and talks....OVER the girl's laughing. I have not bought many a clip because the guy talks so much, the talking makes it into the preview clip!
And about trading/stealing clips - the preview clips are offered here to the general public, so if those clips are traded....why would they even be traded when they can just be downloaded here for free!? I don't understand what you guys are talking about? How is offering preview clips that everyone has access to lead to stealing clips? If someone buys a clip, then gives it to someone else, what does offering preview clips have anything to do with any of that? I've been confused about that every since it was first mentioned by other producers way back whenever. Someone please clear this up for me.
It just seems to me that when a preview isn't offered, it's like movies that aren't shown to critics before they're released - they usually suck. The clip isn't good, so they don't offer a preview, in hopes that people will buy it and get screwed. That's not cool. I support the tickling producers, I buy their clips, have given much advice on how to do things better, and offered many story ideas and scenarios and only expected good clips in return. But I have been burned many a times, and lost too much money. I am now very picky about the clips I buy, and buy a lot less than I used to. I have deleted many clips I paid good money on, because they were unwatchable. Crappy, fake laughter,... if any...., tickler talking the entire time, crappy video work, grainy footage and garbled audio, etc.
Guys, I love TickleCentral. You have made MUCH money from me. Your qulaity IS good. You used to use costumes and had different scenarios. You had Heather, who was your best ticklee, and Jackie and a few others (You know I've bought for a long time if I remember those two, like when Heather was a nurse who gets tickled, and Jackie was tickled on her black pantyhose feet.) Of course, on that note, you had many videos with PANTYHOSE!, which obviously I love. But I simply can't buy a clip without even a few seconds low res. preview. Hope you change your minds.
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Laughter is important
I look to previews to see if I like the girls laugh. A great laugh makes for a great video. I have a huge collection of clips I bought. Quite a few from TickleCentral . I purchased more when there were previews and returning girls.
I look to previews to see if I like the girls laugh. A great laugh makes for a great video. I have a huge collection of clips I bought. Quite a few from TickleCentral . I purchased more when there were previews and returning girls.
I have to echo the question above. Preview clips are intended to be shown to as many people as possible to advertise the clip. So I would think that trading preview clips within the community actually benefits the producers.
If, on the other hand, the aforementioned trading is of full length clips, not previews, that is a bad thing, but I don't see how it is related. Unless the producers are trying to punish the community by withholding previews, what connection is there between preview clips and trading full clips?
Ummm, WTF? What point are you talking about? Do people accept what freebie? A preview clip? Are you trying to say that people who only buy full length clips after seeing a preview don't actually buy the full clip? If that's not it, I can't see this point you claim to have made. Perhaps you should spend less time typing question marks and more time on grammar/syntax.
If, on the other hand, the aforementioned trading is of full length clips, not previews, that is a bad thing, but I don't see how it is related. Unless the producers are trying to punish the community by withholding previews, what connection is there between preview clips and trading full clips?
Ummm, WTF? What point are you talking about? Do people accept what freebie? A preview clip? Are you trying to say that people who only buy full length clips after seeing a preview don't actually buy the full clip? If that's not it, I can't see this point you claim to have made. Perhaps you should spend less time typing question marks and more time on grammar/syntax.
I think it is commonly understood that every producer (at least I think so) would be glad for anyone to share the preview videos everywhere freely. So if anyone in this thread thinks that I was equating the sharing of preview videos to theft, then I'm sorry if I aided in making this 'thing' more confusing. Theft (in the context of this thread) is sharing the product which is otherwise sold.
I hope this clears up that bit.
As for anyone choosing to only buy clips that have previews, i don't think this is a point that can be argued against.
So maybe we're all agreeing on more than has been apprent thus far, eh?
JD
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Come on man! Don't hate on us new guys!!!!
I completely understand your points!
and by the way, have always loved your clips!!! "Tickle Heather" is my all time fav!
But there are a few REAL 'lers and 'lees out here working hard to bring quality tickling material to the people!
Go easy on us!
peace, love, and tickling!
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While I might use different words to express my feelings about this, I do understand Brad's frustration. Running a tickling video business may seem like a dream come true to some people, but it's really not. It's not all fun and games, far from, it. It involves a lot of effort, time, money and, well, frustration. Often enough, you don't even get a chance to actually enjoy the tickling that's going on, because you're too busy making a decent video and interacting with the models in a respectful, professional way. Oh, it can be fun at times, but overall it's more like work than anything else, in my personal experience. I actually find a video shoot to be a rather stressful experience. Believe me, you become disillusioned very quickly when you find out about all the negative aspects of such a project.
I personally don't mind my free previews being distributed (though I have reasons to prefer not to see them posted on popular mainstream sites like YouTube). That's what they're for. I know the vast majorty of people who watch and download them will never buy anything. It sucks, but it's how things work, and I accept that. But I also know that there's a good deal of piracy involving commercial clips going on, and that hurts. All that work, all that struggling to survive in this highly competitive market, only to have our hard work shared for free? It's very discouraging. Fortunately, I know that most people don't do this. But it doesn't make having one's work basically stolen by other people any more pleasant.
I definitely understand that offering free preview clips can be good for business, and it helps potential customers choose the clips they want. However, no producer is under any obligation to offer them if he/she prefers not to (or can't), and I think it's unfair to put any pressure on them to do so or to complain about it. If seeing previews is essential to someone before buying clips, fair enough, there are several vendors who do have them.
It's not the case of all producers, but I guess some do have this philosophy, which is unfortunate. The worst thing about this is that there isn't much money to be made with tickling videos. It's a fairly small, oversaturated market. Some producers do ok, but most don't manage to make any money, or only very little. Because of Internet business developments like Clips4Sale.com, as well as advances in technology like cheap, decent quality camcorders, that allow more people to easily produce videos and sell them nowadays, the number of vendors has increased exponentially these last few years. The market has changed in a major way.
Now, I realize that everyone has the right to take the plunge and to give it a try. After all, I did so myself 6 years ago. I won't tell anyone that they can't produce and sell tickling videos (though I might share my personal experiences with them, including the bad ones). Some of the more recent vendors do excellent work and obviously care a lot about tickling, which is great. However, that doesn't change the reality that you get an overabundance of vendors, a lot of which don't really make any money. But the sales they do make still decrease the profits for all vendors. Again, everyone is entitled to join in, and of course money isn't everything. It most definitely shouldn't be everything. But when you think about it, money still matters to some extent. So it's tough to run a tickling video business with today's fierce competition, especially with all the piracy going on. It's all part of the game, but it's not fun, and it's very frustrating. The thought of having to compete with producers who aren't even really interested in tickling makes it even worse.
I hope this post doesn't make me sound selfish or anything. I just wanted to share my thoughts about some of the issues brought up in this thread.
By the way, on a side-note, isn't this thread in the wrong forum? Granted, it's about clips, but it doesn't involve any actual content.
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My tuppence happenny worth is that I always thought you were one of the better companies. In fact the clips I bought from you featuring Brooke Skye are probably the hottest clips of all time. I also like the Ticklemasters style, as unlike other male ticklers, he has always been really funny in how he goes about his task.
The thing is however I have also bought clips from you where one or two of the models I felt were hamming it up a bit (for instance the girl with the dark hair and glasses, in the survey clip with Christine Carter). Now I don't blame you for this, as if you pay to hire a model, you can't just send them home again, if they turn out not to be out and out hysterically ticklish (you would soon be out of business).
However from the customers point of view we have all had our fingers burned buying rubbish clips (which none of yours have ever been). I have bought clips from previews that:
1) Turned out to have a pop song loudly blaring over the top of it.
2) Turned out to be the same two and a bit minutes worth of action, shown twice from a different angle.
3) Turned out to feature the model in the preview for only half the clip, and then featured a different (non tickish) model and set up for the rest of it.
4) Suddenly stopped being a tickling clip, but instead turned into a porno vibration clip.
5) Been charged on a ten minute clip, for three minutes worth of dialogue.
Now if this is the sort of thing that happens when you buy clips from previews, why would I the customer chance buying a clip with no preview ?
I appreciate you may still have a loyal customer base, but it doesn't make business sense to me, to not to want to add to it.
The thing is however I have also bought clips from you where one or two of the models I felt were hamming it up a bit (for instance the girl with the dark hair and glasses, in the survey clip with Christine Carter). Now I don't blame you for this, as if you pay to hire a model, you can't just send them home again, if they turn out not to be out and out hysterically ticklish (you would soon be out of business).
However from the customers point of view we have all had our fingers burned buying rubbish clips (which none of yours have ever been). I have bought clips from previews that:
1) Turned out to have a pop song loudly blaring over the top of it.
2) Turned out to be the same two and a bit minutes worth of action, shown twice from a different angle.
3) Turned out to feature the model in the preview for only half the clip, and then featured a different (non tickish) model and set up for the rest of it.
4) Suddenly stopped being a tickling clip, but instead turned into a porno vibration clip.
5) Been charged on a ten minute clip, for three minutes worth of dialogue.
Now if this is the sort of thing that happens when you buy clips from previews, why would I the customer chance buying a clip with no preview ?
I appreciate you may still have a loyal customer base, but it doesn't make business sense to me, to not to want to add to it.
Francois, I would love to hear some of your negative stories. If I ever decide in twenty years to make videos...after everyone I know dies or I move away so I don't have to see them recoil in a fit of religious horror....
I've always been a fan of behind the scenes stuff, that's why I insist on only buying special edition DVD's. But I refuse to watch the artificial dramas of reality programing, I just like watching the real going ons, like in the making of the Shining DVD, for example.
No, they don't have to offer preview clips...but I'm not buying their stuff. As I stated above, and I really wish the producers would turn off their anger and really read what I said. I'm REALLY really tired of buying a clip, where the preview IMAGE is of the girl throwing her head back in laughter, and discovering (This has happened A LOT!!) that the girl was just squirming and moving around, with no laughter, and just happened to be in that position....making no sounds! and that was the frame they grabbed, thus deceiving the customer into thinking she's laughing her head off. Or the laughter was so fake it insults me. Or the tickler, usually a guy, (but girls do it also,) talks so much you can't even hear the laughter whether it's good or bad. Lately people on this forum go ballistic when any hint of a negative comment comes their way, so I notice that most of the comments of users who have purchased tickle clips is falling over with praise (or the usual insults of EVERY clip, good or bad, calling all laughter fake.) So, with those two sides talking, there's no way to get any idea of what's good or bad from forum users! I've seen clips called horrible that I've loved, but mostly I've seen praise heaped on clips that sucked.
Look, I know that there are a lot of vendors who offer crappy tickling and don't care...but i don't even know why you guys care about them. Just think Capitalism, capitalism, capitalism!! Offer better quality, more clips, for cheaper than everyone else. You will be the top or near the top as producers. Stop making the same thing over and over and over again!!!!!
With the exception of Laughing Gas Zone and a few others, most companies offer clips that look exactly the same year after year. Look at the old RealTickling site for example...every clip is a carbon copy of every other clip.
On a side note, jmsdarke, I love your clips! I bought the "Evan and Lanka Stress Test" clip - high quality, well lit, great outfits...pantyhose! I wish you'd have a video of Evan being tickled on her feet covered in flesh colored pantyhose. I also like the fact that you post high quality pictures you take of them... though I wish they were bigger.
I understand the anger, but the solution doesn't seem to make any sense. The problem is with people trading full clips, which is of course piracy and not right. But what does that have to do with preview clips? The argument is that not posting preview clips will cut piracy? I just don't see that? If it is meant to be a punishment, that doesn't make sense to me, either. All it does is not let people know about a great product.
