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Record of Lodoss War Tickle Update!

And in regards to the post in question, its still there, and I didn't edit it to be spared. I just added more, and it was directed at HDS.


- Damien
 
Well, all I can say is 1) thanks for calling me brilliant, 🙂 and 2) yes, it is political. I've had similar problems here. Usually, when I post in a threat in the discussion section, the "main" members simply ignore it, moving right on to answer the last "main" member who posted. It's irritating. That's one of the reasons I stopped posting my stories here: I prefer to put them out under my own terms, and not just have the posts slip off the page in a day or two.

As for judging talent, we obviously don't agree completely. Yes, there is objective quality that goes beyond personal taste. I do, however, feel that ranking is not possible among the best. I mean, I'm not going to say Vermeer is a "better" artist than Rubens, just because I happen to like Vermeer better... if you see my point.

As for your own art, I agree, you are growing, and quickly. I was just looking yesterday at the picture you posted early on in your group, of the babysitter tied up with the kids about to tickle her feet. I still love that one, actually, but its illuminating to compare it to your latest drawing. Your work had quality then, but you've gotten much, much more sophisticated since. I actually think the feet in your newest pic are the best example. You've never drawn the feet with such naturalistic, convincing detail before. It's very impressive.

And no, silence never helps. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to change much. Your friends will always tell you they admire your work. Hopefully, new people will continue to crop up who do so. But the "established" members probably won't. All I can advise is, don't let the neglect of people whose opinions you needn't value anyway affect you so much. I know I've said that before, and you've said that such platitudes aren't good enough... I know they're not, but they're kind of all there is.

Oh, one other thing. You said that people should appreciate the artistic quality of your work, even if they don't like the theme. Yes, ideally they should. Unfortunately, most people are here for one thing and one thing only: instant gratification of desire. They aren't interested in pausing to admire artistic quality. Sad, but true.
 
Owen: Then what am I? Am I the only example of someone who shows appreciation to every picture I catch here AND participates with the established members? Surely I'm not the only one.
 
No, not the only one, but a minority. Certainly, you're the only firmly established member who's bothered to comment consistently on Damien's work. You're also one of the few "big" members who hasn't totally ignored my humble self. 😉

So, I should have added "present company excepted," but my point still, unfortunately, largely holds, I think.
 
Once again, magnificant. You have a way with words, Owen. I feel soothed. Its better to be soothed then pasified, because people only think of shutting you up or telling you what you want to hear so you will shut up. I can see and sense your honesty and candor. I appriciate it, thank you.

One thing though sticks out. The artists on this forum are not the best, or better in any regard. They simply happen to have access to this place. And for anyone that doesn't, you obviously won't know who they are. For example, it could have been argued that before Osaka came here, that I was the second best. But then he clearly came along and he was put in the place he deserves, with mucho respect to him. What I mean is, what we see and what we have here doesn't represent the best of anything. But as far as I'm concerned, I am more skilled them all but two of the folks here now. Remember, I know very well a new artist could come along and give me a run for my money. I think of that possibility all the time. And you know what, it doesn't bother me at all. Why? Because that man, or woman, will have my respect because their art will show us all how superior they are. And to me, it will show me my place. Theres nothing wrong with being ahead of someone. But naturally people fear that, especially those barely making it as it is. Like some of the artists here. I feel they resent people that are better off. And it would be only human to hold grudges for something like that. But if someone is better than me, hats off to him or her. Scamwich and Osaka are already better than me in their own ways, mainly because of photoshop than actual quality, but they are still better, and I don't have a problem with that.


- Damien


U.N.Owen said:
Well, all I can say is 1) thanks for calling me brilliant, 🙂 and 2) yes, it is political. I've had similar problems here. Usually, when I post in a threat in the discussion section, the "main" members simply ignore it, moving right on to answer the last "main" member who posted. It's irritating. That's one of the reasons I stopped posting my stories here: I prefer to put them out under my own terms, and not just have the posts slip off the page in a day or two.

As for judging talent, we obviously don't agree completely. Yes, there is objective quality that goes beyond personal taste. I do, however, feel that ranking is not possible among the best. I mean, I'm not going to say Vermeer is a "better" artist than Rubens, just because I happen to like Vermeer better... if you see my point.

As for your own art, I agree, you are growing, and quickly. I was just looking yesterday at the picture you posted early on in your group, of the babysitter tied up with the kids about to tickle her feet. I still love that one, actually, but its illuminating to compare it to your latest drawing. Your work had quality then, but you've gotten much, much more sophisticated since. I actually think the feet in your newest pic are the best example. You've never drawn the feet with such naturalistic, convincing detail before. It's very impressive.

And no, silence never helps. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to change much. Your friends will always tell you they admire your work. Hopefully, new people will continue to crop up who do so. But the "established" members probably won't. All I can advise is, don't let the neglect of people whose opinions you needn't value anyway affect you so much. I know I've said that before, and you've said that such platitudes aren't good enough... I know they're not, but they're kind of all there is.

Oh, one other thing. You said that people should appreciate the artistic quality of your work, even if they don't like the theme. Yes, ideally they should. Unfortunately, most people are here for one thing and one thing only: instant gratification of desire. They aren't interested in pausing to admire artistic quality. Sad, but true.
 
Well, I'm glad I could help at least in some way. 🙂

And you know the old expression, "Drawing well is the best revenge..."

What? That isn't how it goes... ? 😛
 
😛

Well, I have to go attend to something right now. I'll talk to you two swell guys later. Bye.


- Damien
 
😀 Celtic Emperor, I have the answer to your Yahoo group problems and other Yahoo group artists as well. Join SmartGroups and you will be able to show your artwork from the photos section or the files section. I would say they are more reliable then Yahoo. They only go offline when there is a technical problem they are fixing. Check the website out. It is: Smart Groups 😀
 
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