i wasn't talking to anyone but you kal. those are your words that i expressly used when I "issued a challenge as you put it. I don't remember the exact post, but i directly recall a serious of posts that you made that as i recall were basically the equivilant of pissing off an intillectual mountain top to what you percieved as insects (true believers). of all your off handed sly remarks, the idea that i would be making fun of or in any other way making fun of Vlad is just plain insulting. as vlad said he is a new associate of mine that i have a great deal of respect for. hoiw did i gain that respect for him sir, through heated debate. let him tell you, we went at it for about 3-4 days, lengthy post after lengthy post. And with every point i made and with every point he made, we didn't cry, moan or complain about, hey man you're going to start a flame. hey don't viciously defend your point. the comment he actually made to me was that he was happy to see someone with the actuall conviction to stand up and say what they meant. and that in my book earned him my respect. go back and look, at times it got a little personal i took a couple of shots at him, but it was all in fun and i hope that in time, it will result in a new friend of mine.
as for the origional intent of this post, it was not to in any way offend any of the believers on this forum. quite the contrary. it was to call out people like you and of your ilk that make sly off handed remarks that directly insult our faith. I just got through reading posts where people are openly calling the bible stupid, and making christioans look stupid. where is the moral high horse there of preserving the peace. what about the fact that that might offend me. is this really about trying to keep everything honkey dorry, or is about shutting up anyone who believes anything similar to what you heard all of growing up and don'e want to hear anymore. comeon be honest, we are past the point of bsing. hold on wait i already know the answer.
the purpose of bringing up the idea of silencing me was because you developed this really cute way of hinting about the lineancy of the maderators of this forum, and one can only take that to imply some sort of edit. I was in no way trying to compare myself to christ. once again you misunderstand what i am saying because you don't have the same level of training that i have on the topic, which is why i tried to talk around you instead of making you engage in a debate that you would mostly not understand. to walk along side of ouir lord means that the rest of the world will hate you. lets not forgett they did not just kill christ. they killed all of his followers that he could find. and Paul himself was basically the Hitler to the Christians of the age. why was this. because we are truly not liked for the same reasons that he was, and the more so the closer you are to him. because we are wrong, no. because we are positive. because we have hope from following the light of the world that we are not condemed to the same fait that the rest of the world has already resigned themselves to. because we KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt, that all the sin in thousands of our lifetimes could not scratch the surface of God's mercy and love for us. And that no one, I MEAN NO ONE, can tell us that we are unworthy of proclaiming the freedom and power that was besstowed upon us by the ultimate price that our master paid for us in his holy blood, as long as we accpet our sacrafice, because we know that the ideas of Christianity do not need, sects, do not need cradles, and do not the visible institutions of men to survive, because the only church that matters in the one that we carry around in our hearts and keep sacred from the tyrany of the world. and that no matter how many feeble arguments we get from the evilness of men describing the misguided works of those falsely claiming our name that we hold steadfast to the sight of the works of our master, led by the ideals of truth, and the promise of justice, because no matter how may times we are stoned, talked bad about, and labled a trouble maker by those with no understanding that we will hold or heads up high above all those that do not have the confidence to look themselves in the mirror, because when things look bad, and we are presented with what all would see as a problem, we find ways to make it into a positive, because when all others only accept failure and mediocraty, we strive above and lead by true belief strive to accel, because when we are threatened by man we hold steadfast to our faith. Is it because these charecteristics are bad, no. It's because without a holy provider these are things that they can not manufacture on their own. no matter how good they might sound at "COCCK TAAAIL PAAARTIESSS" my dog milhouse, represent.
and i do have respect for the intent behind this forums rules, that's why i broke off into this post in the generall section to begin with, and not to burden those loking for tickle related material in our previous post. but if you are implying that i should lay down or anyone should lay down what they believe more than anything else to be true because someone says so? come on Kal. and i still can't believe you tried to turn Vlad against me. if he doesn't agree with me on this, that's fine, and if he wants to distance himself from me that's fine, i don't think that he does, but that would be his choice. but to imply that i was moching him, when all this came aboutdue to the fact that people were upset because in the spirit of goodwill, honesty, and love for his fellow man, he gave of himself in the best spiritualy related advice that he could give to that girl. knowing that it might fall on deaf ears. knowing that some might come around and say that he was making trouble or that he was going off topic. knowing that it might only reach one or two people but exposing his ideas anyway. you say nothing to those people, who couldn't just say Vlad thank you for your oppinion, i may not agree but i know it comes from your heart. and then you imply that im making fun of him for trying to stick up for him. I'm honestly insulted.
and all this after i said, you know what, im just not going to go the negative route, and im just going to politly agree to disagree and go try to reach out to some peopel that might be feeling reluctant about coming here, or being on this forum. to come back to this.
honestly, how much time and effort do you put into trying to help people develop quality relationships on this forum. to help people out of the closet. to show them that hey, there are people all over in this community for them. that there are lots of happily married ticklephile couples.
or like Vlad offer any constructive ideas on alternativs to a longterm relationship. or is most of your time just spent making sure that there are no flames.
think about which one is more important. then you tell me which one of us has greater respect for this forum. not for its rulebook, but the purpose it could serve.
I keep going back to the fact that you tried to turn a friend of mine against me because if you were here in the states this would not have been a discussion. were a bunch of cowboys remember.
