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Religious Movies on the Horizon

Murtagh

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After the success of Mel Gibson's tribute to the brutalization of Jesus Christ, Hollywood is finally getting the message the religious community has been trying to tell them for years. Christians want more Christian Movies making into mainstream America. Is this a good thing though? I've heard that the best way to get Hollywood's attention is by pumping massive amounts of money into it, this is what happened with 'The Passion', people go to see it and Hollywood sees an opportunity. Hollywood's motives have always been straight-forward "Make movie -> Make money" This means that Hollywood now understands that by exploiting beloved religious icons they can leach money off people who will go to see it for no other reason except for the fact that's it's religious. In other words I believe the religious are encouraging Hollywood to exploit them and the things they hold sacred. Is this right? After all Hollywood is all about money. I know Mel Gibson was an exception, but I'm talking about the major studios who are now turning their attention towards this phenom. because it obviously brings in the big bucks. I'm a religous cynic, I'll admit, but I still think this is going the wrong way...I could be wrong. Comments?
 
What makes you think Mel Gibson is an exception? He's just as much a business man as he is "religious." He wants to make money just as much as anyone else in showbiz. However, capitalistic exploitation and religion have gone hand-in-hand ever since the Catholic Church started indulgences in the Dark Ages. The connection that is developing between religion and Hollywood seems quite natural considering that Jews have long had a close connection to showbiz. Granted, the Jewish connection has generally produced few specifically Jewish movies, and the irony of the upcoming Christian involvement in Hollywood is that it seems to be at odds with the Jewish community. Despite the sensible reaction by most Jews, a small but very vocal minority of their community was very upset with "The Passion of Christ." Most Christians didn't interpret "The Passion of Christ" as anti-Semitic, and really, only anti-Semites should be the ones that would make that assumption.

Nevertheless, capitalism and modern Christianity have been comfortable bedmates ever since televangelism. While most Christians are sensible enough not to send money to spasmodic politicians with bad hair and fake Southern accents, there are enough morons in this country to still make a profit at this con. A similar situation arose when those "Left Behind" books got really popular a few years back. All the paranoid, ultra-conservative Christians came out in droves to read about their apocalyptic fantasies, and soon, the books reached a larger demographic within the religious community. "The Passion of Christ" seems like only a natural progression from this stage, and I suppose it won't be long before a mainstream remake of the "Ten Commandments" will surface.

Personally, I have no problem with religious movies (especially the excruciatingly accurate ones like "The Passion"), but if the materialism accompanying religious media bothers you, then perhaps, you ought to question how much you trust religion as opposed to faith. Religion is used to exploit people, but faith is something totally different....
 
When the flurry of 'christian' movies come out, maybe you can enjoy them with some 'christian' popcorn...how about some 'christian' soda? Can't turn down some 'christian' nachos, can ya? Afterwards, we can get in your 'christian' car and all go for some food at a 'christian' restaurant. Later, maybe some 'christian' videos at a friend's house, with 'christian' music cds.

Somewhere, guys in suits are smiling at sales ledgers and bank accounts and 'thanking God' for modern christians.

The Sean Man
 
As long as the ''Religious movies'' are accurate with the bible and the Word of God and things aren't adding to in or aren't Taken out. just to make the ''Worldy views'' of people happy and content. Then im all for more Christian Movies beganing made. because if it takes more christian movies to get more people to relize and see the beauty and pure sinless ness and perfection of jesus Christ and in his Word the Bible ingeneral. then i'm all for it more power to the hollywood directors like Mel Gibson. and im sure other hollywood Christian movie Directors out there steping out and showing who God really is and was and will always will be on Film for everybody in the usa to see.
 
Pat Robertson's on the other line... He's calling for you

Qtip, you don't get out much, do you?
 
QtipSoftness120 said:
As long as the ''Religious movies'' are accurate with the bible and the Word of God and things aren't adding to in or aren't Taken out. just to make the ''Worldy views'' of people happy and content. Then im all for more Christian Movies beganing made. because if it takes more christian movies to get more people to relize and see the beauty and pure sinless ness and perfection of jesus Christ and in his Word the Bible ingeneral. then i'm all for it more power to the hollywood directors like Mel Gibson. and im sure other hollywood Christian movie Directors out there steping out and showing who God really is and was and will always will be on Film for everybody in the usa to see.

My point is that you can't rely on Hollywood to keep the Bible "holy and sacred" Plus the idea of blasphemy comes to mind, and I'm not talking about lying about the Bible or God, but this would be the highest form of 'using the Lord's name in vain'...They would basically be invoking the concept of Christ for the sole purpose of making money, because that's what Hollywood is about, that's the allure of Hollywood, your name in lights, hanging out with the big name (aka RICH) celebrities. Hollywood would undoubtedly add or subtract things to keep the 'wordly veiws' as you say happy and content, if it helps to attract a bigger audience.
 
Murtagh...Murtagh....Wasn't that the name of Mel Gibson's partner in the Lethal Weapon movies? Is there an irony here? 😀
 
My unpopular opinions; difficult to convince many others; are that...

-1- Hollywood itself is a religion.

-2- Watching movies is a form of religious worship.

-3- Movie theaters are temples of worship.

-4- Televisions will soon become worship objects


(A few people tell me that I missed #4 by sevetal decades)
 
How to achieve success.....

1) Take something (movie, t-shirt, cd, ball point pen)

2) Stamp it 'christian'

3) Collect an avalanche of money, and retire to the Hamptons.

The Sean Man
 
Accurate?

QtipSoftness120 said:
As long as the ''Religious movies'' are accurate with the bible and the Word of God and things aren't adding to in or aren't Taken out. just to make the ''Worldy views'' of people happy and content. Then im all for more Christian Movies beganing made. because if it takes more christian movies to get more people to relize and see the beauty and pure sinless ness and perfection of jesus Christ and in his Word the Bible ingeneral. then i'm all for it more power to the hollywood directors like Mel Gibson. and im sure other hollywood Christian movie Directors out there steping out and showing who God really is and was and will always will be on Film for everybody in the usa to see.


There is accuracy... and then there is accuracy according to Luke, Paul, John...

1. How do we know how much information was deliberately omitted from the bible as it was written? Because, you can bet that many things were deliberately left out. I can see one of the many transcriptionists of the day interpreting Matthew's recounting, thinking to himself, "I can't say that. It will make Jesus look like an asshole."
2. How do we know how many misinterpretations were committed with each translation and transliteration of the bible?
3. How do we know for sure that the bible isn't actually a 2000 year old Hollywood story of God; a 2000 year old screenplay; a novel; a book of parables; simply the interpretations of what people desperately WANTED to believe, but never really happened?
4. How do we know that what we read is a portrayal of events as they actually unfolded? And lastly...
5. How do we know that it DIDN'T happen just as the bible says it did?

Answer to all of the above: We don't.

So, how, pray tell, can we hold directors and screen writers to the impossible standard of making movies that are true to "God's word," or reflect what "actually" happened in biblical times, when we don't know for sure ourselves what the hell actually happened, or how it happened. All we have is the say-so of a book - a book written by people - loyal, faithful, inspired - but still just people. Unfortunately, these people are not around to cross examine as to the accuracy and specificity of their writings. All we're left with is millions of faithful followers who believe what they're TOLD to believe because, after all, its written in a book.

So, I say, let mankind make as many speculations as he wants to without being second-guessed, condemned, or ostracized for not having portrayed his version of the events to the exactness of the bible. After all, there is no one on this planet who can tell us the unequivocal truth. And I know the Pope is old, but even HE should be questioned when he say's "It is as it was."
 
possibly to be released this summer to a theatre near you...

...the blockbuster film, "He Never Stops Working For You", where the Lord Almighty begins to smite cellular phone companies who offer lousy service, His voice booming to sunder skyscrapers... Can you hear Me now? GOOD!

Oh wait... this isn't the "Religious Movies on the Verizon" thread? Oops! 😱 :angel: :blush:
 
Re: possibly to be released this summer to a theatre near you...

AffectionateDan said:
...the blockbuster film, "He Never Stops Working For You", where the Lord Almighty begins to smite cellular phone companies who offer lousy service, His voice booming to sunder skyscrapers... Can you hear Me now? GOOD!

Oh wait... this isn't the "Religious Movies on the Verizon" thread? Oops! 😱 :angel: :blush:


Dan...that was my big chuckle of the day, everyone should have such humor in them!! ROTFLMAO!!!
 
Re: Accurate?

ShadowTklr said:
There is accuracy... and then there is accuracy according to Luke, Paul, John...

1. How do we know how much information was deliberately omitted from the bible as it was written? Because, you can bet that many things were deliberately left out. I can see one of the many transcriptionists of the day interpreting Matthew's recounting, thinking to himself, "I can't say that. It will make Jesus look like an asshole."
2. How do we know how many misinterpretations were committed with each translation and transliteration of the bible?
3. How do we know for sure that the bible isn't actually a 2000 year old Hollywood story of God; a 2000 year old screenplay; a novel; a book of parables; simply the interpretations of what people desperately WANTED to believe, but never really happened?
4. How do we know that what we read is a portrayal of events as they actually unfolded? And lastly...
5. How do we know that it DIDN'T happen just as the bible says it did?

Answer to all of the above: We don't.

So, how, pray tell, can we hold directors and screen writers to the impossible standard of making movies that are true to "God's word," or reflect what "actually" happened in biblical times, when we don't know for sure ourselves what the hell actually happened, or how it happened. All we have is the say-so of a book - a book written by people - loyal, faithful, inspired - but still just people. Unfortunately, these people are not around to cross examine as to the accuracy and specificity of their writings. All we're left with is millions of faithful followers who believe what they're TOLD to believe because, after all, its written in a book.

So, I say, let mankind make as many speculations as he wants to without being second-guessed, condemned, or ostracized for not having portrayed his version of the events to the exactness of the bible. After all, there is no one on this planet who can tell us the unequivocal truth. And I know the Pope is old, but even HE should be questioned when he say's "It is as it was."


Most people will not belive in Christiany simpley because they Want PROVE simpley because they want Jesus Christ to come down and show himself to them. Because ''they'' they meaning people of other man-made religions NOT christianty and Catholics. will never belive the Bible or that Jesus Christ even existed or anything in the bible for that Matter. Because they need to see prove other then Gods holy word to get all the prove they need. so there is always gonna be people that will mock christiany and every about God and the bible and all that it stands for. and there will always be people that will go to the ''The passion of the Christ'' and think it's a wonderful film and that Mel Gibson till a great job on the film but will still not belive the message and not wanting anything to do with Christ and Christiany at all. Because simpley again they need to see Real Life Prove. so when its all said and Done the holy spirit and God alone are the ones that will show themselfs to NON belivers and people of other man-made religions. its God and his glory alone that bring people to his Son and that bring people to have true faith NOT blind faith and to belive in Christ and have a true 100% personal and real relationship with Him.

and thats simpley what other man-made religons can not bring. They made say oh yeah we belivie in Heaven or Hell or you alone and your Good deeds will get to you heaven. all man-made religons do is Take away from the True Jesus Christ of the bible the holy bible and of his life. and just Put in all theses fancy words and teachings that people think are true and follow. When in fact thier are just blind religons that are taking them away from God and Jesus Christ insted of bringing all People Closer to Jesus Christ.

But well of course im sure most of members will try to talk this and that about this post. and tell me as to where im wrong. and Such But that is just the way i feel. and God only knows the Heart of man WE as people Don't and never will.

please don't take offense to anything i said. i just felt like writing this and getting it all out
 
Re: Re: Accurate?

QtipSoftness120 said:
please don't take offense to anything i said. i just felt like writing this and getting it all out

I take no offense whatsoever, because I take no exception with faith. I only argue religion, because religion is the true enemy of God. Faith is a wonderful, healing and enlightening experience between the believer and the all-mighty. Religion is the poison that turns brother against brother, separates people of varied faiths, and accuses believers of different religions world-wide of being part of something "man-made;" as though their religion is less than God-like, which is the ultimate insult, because it suggests that your religion is somehow better, or more true than theirs. What a devisive mentality; don't you think?

The thing that makes religion dangerous, and therefore an enemy of God, is that it reinforces the idea that the believers of that religion are speaking the "true" word of God. Its hypocracy when people go around saying things like "God said, and God wants, and THIS is the word of God." Religion indoctrinates people. It strips away the very power of individual thought bestowed to all individuals, by God, and replaces it with the insipid rantings of irrationality - an irrationality that is an affront to the very God it purports to worship.

So, bear in mind that since Christianity is borne of the worship of Christ, it is in essence just another one of the "man-made" religions you accuse others of being a part of.

I don't mean to offend you either, btw. I just thought that needed to be made clear.
 
So, bear in mind that since Christianity is borne of the worship of Christ, it is in essence just another one of the "man-made" religions you accuse others of being a part of.

that sentance you just put may be True. but there i state again the only reason you said that Christianity is just another ''man-made'' religion. is Because you and all other people in the world need something divine thing to happen to them to make you and others belive. That you need God himseflf to come down and tell you to your face that Christianity is real and that it's the only true religion and the bible is Divine and True.

so in other words some people (NOT all some) that Aren't christians and don't belive in God and everything that the bible teaches will never belive becasue they need Real facts and Prove. while others will just belive by faith alone. everybody's different

some passages out my bible

Beliving God takes faith (Genesis 15:6)

Christianty is the only true faith (Ephesians 4:5)

Accpet the person who has weak faith (Romans 14:1)
 
Arrogance Arrogance Arrogance

Originally posted by ShadowTklr
"So, bear in mind that since Christianity is borne of the worship of Christ, it is in essence just another one of the "man-made" religions you accuse others of being a part of."
Originally posted by Qtipsoftness
That sentance you just put may be True. but there i state again the only reason you said that Christianity is just another ''man-made'' religion is Because you and all other people in the world need something divine thing to happen to them to make you and others belive. That you need God himseflf to come down and tell you to your face that Christianity is real and that it's the only true religion and the bible is Divine and True.

No. The reason I said that was because you insist that Christianity is the "only true religion" and accused other religions (ALL other religions) of being man-made. That statement is the propaganda of a religious drone factory.

Also, there is one thing that I neglected to post earlier. I BELIEVE in God. I just do my best to protect my faith from the charlatan-ism of religion, that's all. So, you see, I don't need God him/her/itself to come down/up/sideways to tell me anything. God is here with me, always. God does not ask that I pollute my faith by worshiping graven images of what MAN has seen fit to idolize. Religion does that. God does not require me to worship another man as though he were God. Religion does that. God does not mandate that I blindly follow the clear hypocrisies of others. God does not seek to keep people blind to the truth and beholden to man-made ideas under the threat of eternal damnation. Religion does that.

Faith is a powerful thing, and many people believe that their faith is true. Perhaps they are all true. The only reason Christianity insists on being the one divine truthful religion is because it is a man-made, controlling conglomerate. So, its only natural that Christians would tell the rest of the world that their beliefs (if not Christianity) are bastard religions, not worthy of God's full attention. I can't believe Christians don't see the arrogance in that mentality.

so in other words some people (NOT all some) that Aren't christians and don't belive in God and everything that the bible teaches will never belive becasue they need Real facts and Prove. while others will just belive by faith alone. everybody's different

That's another statement borne of the arrogance of Christianity. Listen, if you're going to tell the other 4.4 BILLION people on this planet that their religion is FALSE, then you had better come up with something more than "because the bible says so" as an answer.

I stand by my original premise on religion; and that is, followers will believe what they are TOLD to believe because the process of religion is one of subtle indoctrination; imprisonment of the mind and the spirit - not spiritual freedom. Religion effectively separates followers from their God-given individual thought. Religion teaches that questions are natural, but in the end, you'd better believe or you're going to Hell. That's a doctrine in which I'd rather not associate my faith.

As far as your bible passages are concerned, you're simply proving my point for me. I questioned the absolute, and unblemished accuracy of the bible in my last post, and your reply is to simply send me back to the same place for the answers I couldn't get from it the first time.

Having said all this, it is not my intention to denigrate your personal beliefs, but rather to challenge the falsehoods forced upon people of varied faiths by a religion that has the arrogance to appoint itself the true word of God. I understand where you get your information and how you formulate your characterizations of what you are taught. I'm just suggesting to you that its okay to question. It's okay to ask for more information. God has bestowed within us all the ability to think critically. To relegate doubters, or even non-believers to the pretentious fires of a non-existent hell is to insult God's gift of wonderment to man, and to seek to control his mind and spirit.
 
To Qtip and anyone else who fervently "believes"

Do you think you'd be as adamant about your religion if you followed a different one? I mean, as far as I can tell, a lot of the people who always preach Christianity in the stereotypical "just believe" way follow their religion so unquestioningly that it would seem they would feel the same way if they were raised with Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism. Replace the word "Christ" with Moses, Mohammed, Buddha, or Vishnu, and there ya go. You now have a fervent Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu. Doesn't it ever make you wonder if you're just blindly following what you were raised with? It's one thing if you've done some research and you come to the conclusion that Christianity (or whatever) makes the most sense to you and you truly believe in it. It's another to just go on and on about what you've been told.

Qtip, I'm not asking for proof of your faith for my sake; I really wanna know what serves as proof for you in Christianity. I mean, what did it take in life for you to believe in Christ? or did you just accept Christ because you were raised with it?
 
The modern era of christianity has the following rules:

1) Instead of going to church only on Sunday, now you must go as often as possible. Schedule your work and social life around the church.

2) You must look down on (with pity and scorn) those who don't share your views. Despite being family or friends, you and your fellow christians must separate yourselves from them, as their unholy ways might contaminate you.

3) You must use your beliefs to be the center of attention wherever you are. Parties, gatherings, restaurants, etc. If there are people around you, you must make it apparent to everyone (whether they care or not) to loudly proclaim your faith. Although prayer is a one-on-one conversation between you and God, now you will use prayer to garner attention in public...if you and your friends form a prayer circle, it must be done in a place that is extrememly crowded, so that people will have to walk around you, while you pray loudly in to the air, eyes pressed shut.

4) Modern entertainment is a cesspool, and even a glimpse of it may turn you to Satan. If you are assaulted by such, you must hold your arm out with your hand shielding your eyes, while saying loudly, "I can't believe they ALLOW this kind of filth in our society."

5) It's okay for you and your friends to share risque jokes or double entendres.....remember, you are believers. For anyone else, however, it's just proof how society has desensitized you and you are a marker for Satan.

6) Sharing your faith with fellow believers must now be drama-queen worthy. Tears, sobbing, and testimony of how you are completely worthless without God must be delivered as if an Oscar depended on it.

7) All entertainment products must now be christian approved. If it's not 'christian', it's vile and will lead you down the path to Satan. Don't worry about who's collecting the profits on the other end...who would lie about something like THAT?

8) Despite the fact that God gave you a brain, you must check with him on everything. The weather, your job, what to have for dinner, concerns over finding someone of the opposite sex attractive, what people to be friends with...don't you worry. Despite God having bigger fish to fry, I'm sure there's room for all the small problems that you could very well solve yourself. Hey, God's not THAT busy, right?

9) When people question the lack of logic in your beliefs, simply smile and answer, "That's called FAITH." No other explanation is necessary. Feel free, though, to mock and attack other people's beliefs.

10) Remember, your religion is the ONLY real religion. All the others? Phony, man-made trifles that can't compare to your religion. Mock them with your friends, and remember that your religion makes you better than anyone else. I mean, cmon, that's what God intended, right? All people living together in peace and harmony? God laughs at such a thought.

The Sean Man


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