RenFaire Tickling Video... Utterly Wrong?

[daryl]

I seem to remember a scene in one of the italin ren faire videos where someeone was truly not happy. they released her at once.

 

[HisFlyinFingers]

Two notes here:

First, no matter what it is, or how innoccuous it may seem, someone, somewhere, thinks it's incredibly sexy. They themselves may not consider it a fetish, they may not search for it online, but they definately love seeing it when it comes on TV or elsewhere.

That brings me to my second note. Many clips shared using this forum and elsewhere in the community are called "mainstream." Namely, these are clips which are not fetish or even pornographic clips, and often come from movies or television. Does the fact that many members of the community find these movie clips erotic make them pornography? I know those associated with creating these clips (actors, producers, etc.) would say that it certainly does not.

While I cannot comment on Kujiman's videos, I was under the impression that most of the renfaire videos were the equivalent of mainstream clips -- although they certainly appear on fetish sites, I don't know that I have ever seen a site that claims that these clips are original to that site. I also don't recall any (honest) sites charging for the clips. Maybe they simply came from older fetish sites, where a fee was charged, in which case my point is moot. But there it is anyway.

 

[jk666uk]

where's my nearest fair?

ha me to
not bad chris

 

[Oddjob0226]

Legally speaking, if you are doing something in a public display, then by law you can be photographed without having to sign anything. Keep in mind that there's "public place" and "public property" - a shopping mall is a public place, but it is private property - the public is welcome if they obey the rules established by the property owner. Generally, the person that does the photographing can then do whatever they want with the footage, even sell it- it's theirs, taken publicly, depicting willing participants. GENERALLY. It's possible that if someone tried to sell this (especially - but not limited to - on an adult themed web site) that the sale could be legally challenged, but whether the challenge would be successful is by no means guaranteed. The age factor could come into play if the persons depicted were underage - parents didn't agree to the sale, as agents on the child's behalf, the adult website is selling videos with underage kids, etc., but still, it would be a challenge, not a slam dunk. Making the whole thing more difficult is that within the context of the renfair, the stocks & tickling is completely relevant to the context. In other words, it's not like a fetish guy went to a public park and set up tickling stocks with the express purpose of videotaping ticklees to sell later. I'd be really uncomfortable if a 16 year old friend or family member was depicted on one of these tapes being sold to fetishists, but the irony/hipocracy of myself is that I don't really care all that much if it was a total stranger. Eh, whatta ya gonna do....

 

[ghosthunter0]

my 2/1000's of a cent

Here's the kicker; they need to sign release forms. Hense, they are almost automatically guranteed to be "of age" when the video consumer gets the final product. Moreover, PLENTY of renaissance faires use children from the audience in the acts. Watch any faire's shows and they'll pull someone out the audience. Mostly an adult. Sometimes a kid. But its always to serve a purpose and to entertain. And sometimes they'll even record it (probably for publicity purposes). But they don't do it for sexual kicks. They do it to have a good time. It's US who make it sexual. So don't worry. It's all in good fun.

 

[daddy]

Actually, in California that's one of the definitions of a "public place" under the law. If you charge admission for entry, it's considered a public place by definition unless you have some sort of membership requirement and limit admission to members and their guests.

Common examples of such public places are theaters, museums, nightclubs, and sports arenas.

As far as selling the images is concerned, any image or film obtained in a public place can be sold without the permission of those depicted in it. That's how the paparazzi make their money snapping photos of unwilling celebrities in public. Verifying the ages of those involved is another matter, though it might be hard to make the case that tickling someone at a renfaire is "sexually explicit behavior" as defined by the law.

Finally...someone posts the "correct" version of the law and not one made up! LOL

The Ren. Faires are all in good fun...if people really didn't want things to happen, they wouldn't...end of story.

peace out,
daddy