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rutgers student jumps to death after sexual encounter broadcast

Wow. :shock:

But he officially complained about it to the school, and somehow nothing happened? The university is as much at fault as the guy who spied on him.
 
What a sad ending to a promising young life. R.I.P. Tyler..
 
This is not an easy position for me to take, but I have to say this...

As fucked up as it is that these students destroyed this man's privacy and contributed to his suicide, I don't think they should be imprisoned.

I think the family of this student should sue the hell out of both offenders and their families and possibly even the school for not taking the appropriate actions.... but I don't think spending time in prison is warranted in this case.

This is a civil case, not a criminal one. Invasions of privacy this egregious should be illegal, but it's a very slippery slope to charge the offenders as being criminally liable for the suicide of the victim.

We have restrictions on the freedom of speech that are covered by things like slander and libel laws.

We have privacy laws that are supposed to prosecute offenders in situations like this.

But even though what these people did was terrible and sick and the repercussions were tragic, this is a distinctly different crime from others that can lead to suicide.

For example, if they had put this student in a position where he was coerced into suicide by threats to himself, entrapment, or threats to someone else's life, then they would have a true criminal case worthy of imprisonment.

What these offenders did would not normally have fatal consequences, and it would be very difficult to prove in court that they intended for the student to commit suicide as a result of the broadcast.
 
It never ceases to amaze me how despicable people can be. Whether it's by law or divine judgment (both would be great), I hope the heartless "filmographers" get exactly what's coming to them.
 
MrMacphisto said:
This is not an easy position for me to take, but I have to say this...

As fucked up as it is that these students destroyed this man's privacy and contributed to his suicide, I don't think they should be imprisoned.

I think the family of this student should sue the hell out of both offenders and their families and possibly even the school for not taking the appropriate actions.... but I don't think spending time in prison is warranted in this case.

This is a civil case, not a criminal one. Invasions of privacy this egregious should be illegal, but it's a very slippery slope to charge the offenders as being criminally liable for the suicide of the victim.

We have restrictions on the freedom of speech that are covered by things like slander and libel laws.

We have privacy laws that are supposed to prosecute offenders in situations like this.

But even though what these people did was terrible and sick and the repercussions were tragic, this is a distinctly different crime from others that can lead to suicide.

For example, if they had put this student in a position where he was coerced into suicide by threats to himself, entrapment, or threats to someone else's life, then they would have a true criminal case worthy of imprisonment.

What these offenders did would not normally have fatal consequences, and it would be very difficult to prove in court that they intended for the student to commit suicide as a result of the broadcast.
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I don't know Mac. This is from the article itself.

Under New Jersey's invasion-of-privacy statutes, it is a fourth degree crime to collect or view images depicting nudity or sexual contact involving another individual without that person's consent, and it is a third degree crime to transmit or distribute such images. The penalty for conviction of a third degree offense can include a prison term of up to five years.
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Do i think these people should be charged in regards to the mans suicide? No. However, i do think they should be prosecuted to the fullest under the existing laws.

I've heard many cases over the news of shit like this. Guys taping having sex with their girlfriends, and then when they break up they do something like this. Hell, i remember hearing about one incident where the guy personally slipped i think it was like a hundred videos by hand to people in the community early morning. They didn't have a clue what the tape was until they watched it. Legally, the police were able to only give the guy a slap on the wrist.

I agree that on one hand, it is a personal matter for civil courts, but on the other hand with the way technology is getting, how everybody with a cell phone now has a digital recorder on them, laws are going to have to change a bit when it comes to this stuff.
 
The more I think about this, the more I think the real culprit is the school and the administration. Putting these kids in jail would let the real crooks and homophobes off the hook.

For one thing, a school has a responsibility to its students who are in distress, whatever the reason. Second, this kid came to them and complained about what had happened. So they can't plead ignorance.

But most importantly, it seems like the kid's biggest problem wasn't that he was filmed, but that nobody seemed to give a shit that this was wrong. He posted about how people seemed more sympathetic to the guy filming him, and didn't care that his privacy had just been hugely violated. And I imagine the non-response of the school, after he decided to take the humiliating step of reporting this offence, was what pushed him over the edge. I mean, when people can commit a crime against you and nothing happens, that must be a hard thing to take.

So yes, what his roommate did was wrong. Do what should have been done; suspend him from school or whatever minor administrative punishment he would have received if the system had functioned correctly. And for those who made the system function incorrectly, and caused this poor kid's death, throw them to the fucking wolves.
 
Bullshit

c7_assassin said:
The more I think about this, the more I think the real culprit is the school and the administration. Putting these kids in jail would let the real crooks and homophobes off the hook.

For one thing, a school has a responsibility to its students who are in distress, whatever the reason. Second, this kid came to them and complained about what had happened. So they can't plead ignorance.

But most importantly, it seems like the kid's biggest problem wasn't that he was filmed, but that nobody seemed to give a shit that this was wrong. He posted about how people seemed more sympathetic to the guy filming him, and didn't care that his privacy had just been hugely violated. And I imagine the non-response of the school, after he decided to take the humiliating step of reporting this offence, was what pushed him over the edge. I mean, when people can commit a crime against you and nothing happens, that must be a hard thing to take.

So yes, what his roommate did was wrong. Do what should have been done; suspend him from school or whatever minor administrative punishment he would have received if the system had functioned correctly. And for those who made the system function incorrectly, and caused this poor kid's death, throw them to the fucking wolves.
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Let me guess, you're liberal.
 
Cosmo_ac said:
I don't know Mac. This is from the article itself.
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I'm aware that there are laws on the books that incur a prison sentence for this, but I'm getting the impression that the New Jersey system is a little overboard on punishment.

I had a coworker from Jersey that explained to me that they even have what amounts to debtor's prison.

It just seems like legislators there have confused what constitutes a civil case with being a criminal one.

Cosmo_ac said:
Do i think these people should be charged in regards to the mans suicide? No. However, i do think they should be prosecuted to the fullest under the existing laws.
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Well, I'm sure they will be.

Cosmo_ac said:
I've heard many cases over the news of shit like this. Guys taping having sex with their girlfriends, and then when they break up they do something like this. Hell, i remember hearing about one incident where the guy personally slipped i think it was like a hundred videos by hand to people in the community early morning. They didn't have a clue what the tape was until they watched it. Legally, the police were able to only give the guy a slap on the wrist.

I agree that on one hand, it is a personal matter for civil courts, but on the other hand with the way technology is getting, how everybody with a cell phone now has a digital recorder on them, laws are going to have to change a bit when it comes to this stuff.
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I suppose. I just am wary of overzealous prosecutors and the general vengeance mentality that seems to pervade a lot of society.
 
The penalties aren't nearly harsh enough. Fuck THEIR privacy....

You want "liberal?" :evileye: I think these assholes should be jailed for

lethal cyber bullying. Also known as severe Trolling.... :illogical

Seems to be real popular, worse when there's a hidden camera of course... :Grrr:

They know exactly what they're doing by "outing" a nice kid,

it's sheer fucking meanspirited bullying, and these are bright little bastards,
they understand very well what the repercussions are

not only broadcasting a shy young guy's sexual interaction online, :facepalm: maybe his first, maybe not ---

but outing him as gay too --- they were not only trying to humiliate him but they were shoving him "out"
where mere (grown adult) FOOT FETISHISTS hesitate to go,
forget GAY KIDS ---- He was still a teenager for God's sake ----- A very smart young adult, but very young ---

These assholes knew that kind of humiliation COULD drive someone to suicide.
Less bright teens could figure that much at a glance.
It's also happened too often and recently, it's been in the news just in case you're thinking maybe they weren't anticipating driving their victim off a bridge.

http://www.ryanpatrickhalligan.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34236377 ("Sexting" topless pics of 13 yr old girl broadcast by boy she trusted )

http://1stnews.org/404/jesse-logan/ (Another who sent nude pic to boy who spread pic all over school)

http://cyberbullying.us/blog/cyberb...en-cyberbullying-and-suicide-among-youth.html

They knew they were doing a sensitive young man very serious harm one way or another.
 
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I'm still trying to understand why anyone would want to destroy someone's life so badly. Even if this kid doesn't kill himself he would have irrepairable emotional damage from this completely idiotic act. Apparently there are still homophobics out there who think it's cool to make someone who is gay feel like they are no human beings.
 
Personally

I dislike homosexuality but I believe they have a right to privacy just like anyone else.

My comment about liberals meant Rutgers has no responsibility whatsoever in this. The INDIVIDUALS should be held accountable.
 
The individuals who filmed this poor guy should certainly be held responsible for invading his privacy... But he killed himself because he knew that society at large was going to mock him and pass the video and story around for years to come.
 
Banshee said:
My comment about liberals meant Rutgers has no responsibility whatsoever in this. The INDIVIDUALS should be held accountable.
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The school is responsible because whatever happens on their campus/property is their responsiblility. I'm a landlord to a two family home; if my tenant sells drugs out of her apartment, the city has a right to seize and board up my home as well as drag me through the court system because her actions were done on my property and I'm responsible for what happens on land I own. If I'm responsible for my little two family slice of land in Ohio, then Rutgers is damn sure responsible whether they knew or not. The fact that they did NOTHING only makes it worse.

If I were the parents of this young man, I'd sue the college and the students involved out of existence. And if there are any laws on the books to prosecute, I'd be all over it. A young man is dead because he had sex with another man and it's on cyberspace. It's just sex people.......this did not have to happen.
 
I dedicate this song to thee...R.I.P.

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To a modern day Van Gogh...(metaphorically)

-o0o-

"Vincent"

Starry, starry night
Paint your palette blue and gray
Look out on a summer's day
With eyes that know the darkness in my soul
Shadows on the hills
Sketch the trees and the daffodils
Catch the breeze and the winter chills
In colors on the snowy linen land

Now I understand
What you tried to say to me
How you suffered for your sanity
How you tried to set them free
They would not listen they did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now

Starry, starry night
Flaming flowers that brightly blaze
Swirling clouds in violet haze
Reflecting Vincent's eyes of China blue
Colors changing hue
Morning fields of amber grain
Weathered faces lined in pain
Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hands

Now I understand
What you tried to say to me
How you suffered for your sanity
How you tried to set them free
They would not listen they did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now

For they could not love you
But still your love was true
And when no hope was left in sight
On that starry, starry night
You took your life as lovers often do
But I could have told you Vincent
This world was never meant for one as
beautiful as you

Starry, starry night
Portraits hung in empty halls
Frameless heads on nameless walls
With eyes that watch the world and can't forget
Like the strangers that you've met
The ragged men in ragged clothes
A silver thorn on a bloody rose
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow

Now I think I know
What you tried to say to me
How you suffered for your sanity
How you tried to set them free
They would not listen they're not listening still
Perhaps they never will
 
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I'm sure I'll take heat for this but, the act of the suicide is NO ONE'S fault except the guy who killed himself. Was the filming and the airing of the footage wrong? Yes. Should they receive some sort of punishment for what they did? Absolutely! But nobody is responsible for committing a suicide except the person who does it. He CHOSE to take his own life. To me, that's a coward's way out, even under these circumstances.
 
slacker2114 said:
I'm sure I'll take heat for this but, the act of the suicide is NO ONE'S fault except the guy who killed himself. Was the filming and the airing of the footage wrong? Yes. Should they receive some sort of punishment for what they did? Absolutely! But nobody is responsible for committing a suicide except the person who does it. He CHOSE to take his own life. To me, that's a coward's way out, even under these circumstances.
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Yes you are about to take some heat.

How old was this young man? 18? 19? That was his entire universe as he knew it and it had been incenerated by some callous arseholes then ignored by the very instution he and his parents paid to educate him. We've both been that young before slacker and are very lucky technology wasn't at the levels it is today because I can't guarantee you with any certainty that if the same happened to me what my outcome would've been at that age. At my age now, I am still a control freak and would be ready to kill someone if my privacy was abused in such a fashion. I'm going through a situation with my daughter right now; although the circumstances are much less severe, she's just recovering and regaining her strength; she accredits that to the family's support. This young man didn't seem to have that to lean on; makes a world of difference, especially at that age.

If the guy was in his 30s or 40s, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But by him being so young and inexperienced in the world coupled with his inability to cope with the humiliation.....and let's not forget that he got no support from the school. The deck was just stacked way too high for someone that young.

Yes he decided to take his life, but he had plenty of help along the way and I can't completely blame him even if he did choose.
 
Normally I'd say yes suicide is the person's responsibility, but not when tortured...

Bold is to highlight the point, not to shout.

The two that broadcast his LIVE sexual interaction ---- they didn't worry about editing, even, they spared him NOTHING ---

---knew they could possibly ruin his life, his career choices,
make him a laughingstock, make him totally miserable so that
yes he'd wish he was never born,

and any idiot knows people commit suicide for a lot less than that.

Which is why yes, both the 2 young creeps and the administration that ignored this young man's request for help because PR was more important to them than a student's life, whether or not he'd end it ----

are ALL responsible for pushing or allowing him to go off that edge.

Mostly the two mindfucks, who REALLY need to be made an example of if this crap is to be stopped, but also those individuals in administration who couldn't be bothered crushing those who would harass so severely.

Cyberbullying and it's impact have been getting too much attention recently for anyone to be able to claim ignorance.

Just the humiliation of any sexual activity broadcast like that,
but the homosexuality just doubled the damage because people are (still incredibly stupid, ignorant & meanspirited...)
and our society isn't yet where it should be.

There's no way they weren't aware of this either.

The school administration shouldn't be allowing cyber-spying/hidden cameras in dorms AT ALL --- there should have obviously been a BELOW-ZERO TOLERANCE for any such activity, but instead they looked the other way ---- which would only encourage more invasion of privacy, more bullying, more lives ruined.

And these bastards would just graduate to do more damage as better-educated adults with greater means.
 
kis123 said:
The school is responsible because whatever happens on their campus/property is their responsiblility. I'm a landlord to a two family home; if my tenant sells drugs out of her apartment, the city has a right to seize and board up my home as well as drag me through the court system because her actions were done on my property and I'm responsible for what happens on land I own. If I'm responsible for my little two family slice of land in Ohio, then Rutgers is damn sure responsible whether they knew or not. The fact that they did NOTHING only makes it worse.

If I were the parents of this young man, I'd sue the college and the students involved out of existence. And if there are any laws on the books to prosecute, I'd be all over it. A young man is dead because he had sex with another man and it's on cyberspace. It's just sex people.......this did not have to happen.
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Please explain to me how a school can be held responsible for something that as of the guys death hadn't been REPORTED TO THEM. I'm not gonna shed any tears for a dead homo but the individuals should be punished, not the school. How was the school to know the guys room mate had planted a camera? They have no way of knowing and kis by Ohio Law you're not responsible for a drug haven until someone reports it to you as such.

Sorry, Rutgers is not responsible and to say otherwise is pure liberal crap.
 
Macphisto makes an interesting argument. After reading his posts, I have two thoughts.

One, unless someone who posted in this thread is a lawyer, we really dont know what the legal ramifications or legalities are of this. I've heard of situations where colleges were held responsible for much lesser problems, such as students destroying property at an off campus house or party.

The other thing is: "Bullying", and "Cyber Bulling" is now considered a crime. The fact that these students actions directly led to this boy killing himself, would lead me to believe that some prosecutor could try this case under such a techinicality.

As to what responsiblity the school has, I dont know.

At the very least, Tyler's family should be able to get a very large civil judgement against both the students, and their parents, and make their lives a living hell. It wouldn't bring Tyler back, but at least it would serve some form of justice for this terrible situation.

Mitch
 
slacker2114 said:
I'm sure I'll take heat for this but, the act of the suicide is NO ONE'S fault except the guy who killed himself. Was the filming and the airing of the footage wrong? Yes. Should they receive some sort of punishment for what they did? Absolutely! But nobody is responsible for committing a suicide except the person who does it. He CHOSE to take his own life. To me, that's a coward's way out, even under these circumstances.
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I understand your thinking, but believe there are significant differences between contemplating suicide when your sense of self, identity, and your social influences are settled (more often when one is older and considered an "adult" on multiple levels) versus when these tend to be in a great deal of flux (typically adolescence and often into early adulthood). In the latter case, the one suffering suicidal ideation doesn't tend to view suicide objectively as one of several options, but more often as the only escape to a trap over which you have no control.

EDIT: ...and I would question how objectively even those with these factors settled would view suicide. Shocking and severe depression at any stage hardly lends itself to rational decision-making.
 
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