Selling clips that other produce?

[knudus]

Beeing a tickle clip fan, I have toyed with the idea of producing clips myself, but practical, economical and time consuming hurdles to has always stopped me.

But maybe I could pay other producers to produce the clips I would sell. Kind of a custom shoot but with permission to release it.

I know those would cost more than the usual custom clips, but on the other hand I might get some of the money back. Plus I would get clips that I liked (probably) and have the thrill of seeing "my" clips out there in the tickling community.

Probably one of the tricks would be to work with producers who are fairly close to the style I would like to "produce" and give them some input on position, tools, area etc. but not give them 10 pages of detailed instructions.

So whats in it for the producer? A guaranteed income beeing paid at once. And say he shoots 4 (??) scenes on a day with one model, one of them could be mine, and he would reduce his risk of not making anythin at all with 25%.

Plus, now that video editing is relatively easy to do, he should just send me the raw video.

Can it be done? Has it been done? Are there any showstoppers? Would anybody else like to try?

 

[mabus]

This most probably WOULDN'T work, ....because it's too complicated.

The same guaranteed income they'd have by giving it to you, they could make themselves, without all the hassle of going through someone else.

If they go through all the trouble of shooting a clip....why not just sell it themselves, and get ALL the profits, instead of doing all that work to let someone else make profits that they themselves could be making?

Plus, if a producer made a clip he really liked, he'd be hesitant to give it to someone else in the first place, much less give up his precious clip and watch the other person profit from all his work.

He'd almost think it was a scam, even though it's not.
I went to a get rich quick seminar WAY back when when I hated my old job and was desperate, and one of the deals was to offer lottery winners to give them all their money then, but you'd keep a percentage so they wouldn't have to wait.
(To move further on to actually find out details, you had to pay like $800, and sadly some people fell for it and moved on. I got the hell out of there after my angry desperation wore off and my logical brain kicked in:
-How many people win the lottery? Would others in this place want to do the same deal with them? One lottery winner to about 20 people wanting to offer them this deal....which will obviously sound like a scam to them? And besides, lottery winners already HAVE that option! Why go through some strange new person to get the exact same deal, lose 20% of what you'll already get anyway, and not know if this person who is giving this "great deal" will simply walk away with all your money? And aside from aside from that.....if I had the option of getting 1 million every year, or one cheaper lump sum, most people would have patience and go for the twenty years....

It'd be like someone offering to give you the money from your own weekly paycheck, while getting a percantage of it for themselves.......huh?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

This thing you suggest DOES work on a bigger scale, but here's how:

An investor wants to make money from an entertainment product. He or she hires a artistic porn producer/film director and crew to bring said entertainment to life, be it hot guy having sex with big tittied woman, or aliens from Venus blowing up New York.

He or she PAYS the film director, AND actors, MONEY, and finances the whole operation, and they turn over the final product to him, so he makes the profit. This way, everyone wins - the director gets to direct and create, he gets PAID for it in a lump sum, and/or he enjoys a small percentage of the profits. The actors get to act, get PAID for it, and also may enjoy a small percentage of the profits. They also enjoy the rewards and perks of being an actor/actress - Oscars, awards, sex, power, etc. But the big company/financer who paid for everything, first gets his money back (maybe) then gets to enjoy the gross of the profit, since he invested all that money and made it all happen.

That's a basic way how all that works. So, IF YOU'RE a BIG INVESTOR, this would work. And it could, I'm not shooting the idea down.
Let's say you wanted to make a video of Kitty dressed as a cowgirl tickled by Tommy from Tickle Abuse, but see that he hasn't done it yet, but think you could make money:
You'd have to pay Tommy to make it, pay for the entire video, AND pay Kitty's model fee. He'd make the video and let you distribute it, ......but honestly, people who do that would probably fund ALL his videos. You'd never make your money back from such a small venture. That's why you'll notice multiple videos from one session shot by producers. Hiring two girls to shoot one video isn't that smart, but hiring two girls and making 5 or 6 may generate a profit.

Just ASKING them to do it - it'll never happen. You need to PAY THEM to do it.

I'd suggest you just do it yourself! Go find some girls, tickle them, get a clips store......so many hundreds of others have done it. Video editting has gotten easier - BUT SERIOUSLY, most tickle videos aren't even EDITTED!!! It's the same camera shot for 9 minutes straight! Or maybe 3 or 4 cuts!

People HAVE done something a little like this, but what they do is, again, BUY a catalog of videos, usually from a producer who's calling it quits or moving on to something else, and slowly release them to get a profit. But many of these have already been released anyway, and these distributors will spend a few thousand dollars to buy all the clips.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Sorry to say this, but quite frankly I can't imagine any producer being interested in this kind of partnership, pretty much for the reasons Mabus has explained. I don't see how I could benefit from it.

 

[knudus]

Thanks a lot for the input!

Perhaps I didn't make it clear, but I would certaintly pay the producer. The model fee would be a matter between producer and model, but ofcourse hé would take that into account when calculating the price.

What the producer would get out of it? My thinking is this, everytime he is making videos hé runs a risk that they might not sell. So why not do some work where he knew exactly what and when he would get paid. Ofcourse in that case the guy paying him, me, would also get the profit IF the clip made a profit at all.

Perhaps I complicated things by suggested that he did my clip at the same time he did some other clips for himself. It seemed a good idea though, say he hired a model to dó four clips. He offered one to me for one 1/4 of the models fee plus the same amount for himself. His cost pr clip would then be reduced,

But yes, maybe a producer wouldn't want a clip very simular to his own released at the same time ;-) fair enough, then it would be me paying for a whole session, model fee plus producer fee. But that should work. Not for producers who make a lot of money on each clip, because their price would obviously be too high, but perhaps for others.

Or maybe the producer should be left out of the loop. Perhaps I should just ask a model if she had a friend with a video camera who would tickle her and tape it for her fee plus a little extra. She woould be spared the trouble of traveling, getting a chaparone etc. and could do it whenever she wanted. Or 2 tickle models taking turns to tickle each other. If they had some experience I am sure they could manage without a producer. I could even mail the a camera, they could shoot and mail it back. 🙂

 

[turtleboy]

Thanks a lot for the input!

Perhaps I didn't make it clear, but I would certaintly pay the producer. The model fee would be a matter between producer and model, but ofcourse hé would take that into account when calculating the price.

What the producer would get out of it? My thinking is this, everytime he is making videos hé runs a risk that they might not sell. So why not do some work where he knew exactly what and when he would get paid. Ofcourse in that case the guy paying him, me, would also get the profit IF the clip made a profit at all.

Perhaps I complicated things by suggested that he did my clip at the same time he did some other clips for himself. It seemed a good idea though, say he hired a model to dó four clips. He offered one to me for one 1/4 of the models fee plus the same amount for himself. His cost pr clip would then be reduced,

But yes, maybe a producer wouldn't want a clip very simular to his own released at the same time ;-) fair enough, then it would be me paying for a whole session, model fee plus producer fee. But that should work. Not for producers who make a lot of money on each clip, because their price would obviously be too high, but perhaps for others.

Or maybe the producer should be left out of the loop. Perhaps I should just ask a model if she had a friend with a video camera who would tickle her and tape it for her fee plus a little extra. She woould be spared the trouble of traveling, getting a chaparone etc. and could do it whenever she wanted. Or 2 tickle models taking turns to tickle each other. If they had some experience I am sure they could manage without a producer. I could even mail the a camera, they could shoot and mail it back. 🙂

I have heard of producers doing this - I also know of models who have been paid to film clips for people overseas and sending the footage for them...it's something I'd consider if I had the time but in my case I would want to do the edits as well rather than sending raw footage.

I'm pretty sure there are other producers out there willing to make clips for others to sell if the money is right!

 

[The Last Laugh]

What the producer would get out of it? My thinking is this, everytime he is making videos hé runs a risk that they might not sell.

Of course there's always a chance a product won't sell well. That's how business works. But why are you assuming that you'd have more success selling someone else's clips? Unless you have vast advertising resources or something like that, chances are you wouldn't sell any more copies than the producer himself. Probably fewer, in fact.

So why not do some work where he knew exactly what and when he would get paid. Ofcourse in that case the guy paying him, me, would also get the profit IF the clip made a profit at all.

Producers already know exactly what and when they get paid, since they're either running their own sites or are dealing with sites like Clips4Sale.com.

Personally, I sell my clips on Clips4Sale.com, as many other people do. Granted, C4S takes 40% on each sale, which I find a bit harsh. However, C4S is a well-established, well-known and reliable site that's been running for several years now. They handle literally thousands of clip stores. They offer virtually unlimited disk space, bandwidth use, an easy-to-use store model, as well as the all-important credit card payment service. Tons of people are already aware of that site, trust it and use it regularly. It's not a perfect deal, but it's sure convenient for most people like myself who don't have the infrastructure to build a store and receive credit card payments. Do you think you could offer a better service? What percentage would you take? How could you guarantee that producers would get their share (and how would they get it)?

Naturally, not all producers rely on sites like C4S. It's not the only option for selling clips. Some have their own sites. This allows them to keep all of the money they make from sales. Some producers have membership sites that offer the same advantage. They don't need someone to sell their clips for them.

Anyway, I just don't understand the argument that your system is a better deal for producers because some of their clips might not sell well. If they don't sell on C4S or on a producer's personal site, why would they sell any better on your site? I simply don't get it.

I'm sorry if I sound negative, but I'm just trying to understand, as well as giving you some feedback from a producer's point of view.

 

[knudus]

Of course there's always a chance a product won't sell well. That's how business works. But why are you assuming that you'd have more success selling someone else's clips? Unless you have vast advertising resources or something like that, chances are you wouldn't sell any more copies than the producer himself. Probably fewer, in fact.



Producers already know exactly what and when they get paid, since they're either running their own sites or are dealing with sites like Clips4Sale.com.

Personally, I sell my clips on Clips4Sale.com, as many other people do. Granted, C4S takes 40% on each sale, which I find a bit harsh. However, C4S is a well-established, well-known and reliable site that's been running for several years now. They handle literally thousands of clip stores. They offer virtually unlimited disk space, bandwidth use, an easy-to-use store model, as well as the all-important credit card payment service. Tons of people are already aware of that site, trust it and use it regularly. It's not a perfect deal, but it's sure convenient for most people like myself who don't have the infrastructure to build a store and receive credit card payments. Do you think you could offer a better service? What percentage would you take? How could you guarantee that producers would get their share (and how would they get it)?

Naturally, not all producers rely on sites like C4S. It's not the only option for selling clips. Some have their own sites. This allows them to keep all of the money they make from sales. Some producers have membership sites that offer the same advantage. They don't need someone to sell their clips for them.

Anyway, I just don't understand the argument that your system is a better deal for producers because some of their clips might not sell well. If they don't sell on C4S or on a producer's personal site, why would they sell any better on your site? I simply don't get it.

I'm sorry if I sound negative, but I'm just trying to understand, as well as giving you some feedback from a producer's point of view.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear, but the idea is not that I sell your clips, but that you produce clips for me. Which I then sell. The producer would be a sub contractor.

Do I have a better way of distribution than c4s. Absolutely not. I would use c4s myself.

What I do not agree with you about is that a producer knows exactly when and how much money he gets when he sells on c4s, surely that depends on how many buy the clip and when they buy it. But if a producer sells to someone like me he would be paid an agreed amount on an agreed day. Which would be even before the clip was made!

And I dont think I would make money on this. To me it would be like buying a custom made clip, meaning I would get a clip to my taste, but by paying some more I would get 1) the chance to cover *some* of my expenses and, more importantly, 2) seeing my clip out there in the tickling community. "my clip" meaning a clip I specified, and which somebody else produced)

Thanks again for taking time to answer!

 

[knudus]

Thanks for your offer, but a big thrill for me would be to specify the action in the clip. Cheers!

 

[marcusb]

One hurdle of this is the raw footage is huge. A full tape of uncut material from my HDV camera is about 20GB. Moving that around would take forever.

Plus, now that video editing is relatively easy to do, he should just send me the raw video.

Can it be done? Has it been done? Are there any showstoppers? Would anybody else like to try?

 

[knudus]

I have heard of producers doing this - I also know of models who have been paid to film clips for people overseas and sending the footage for them...it's something I'd consider if I had the time but in my case I would want to do the edits as well rather than sending raw footage.

I'm pretty sure there are other producers out there willing to make clips for others to sell if the money is right!

Thanks for your input, it is very encouraging! I fully understand if some producers would want to edit the video before they deliver it! No problem there, I just regret I brought this point up at all at this stage.

 

[knudus]

One hurdle of this is the raw footage is huge. A full tape of uncut material from my HDV camera is about 20GB. Moving that around would take forever.


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Thanks for pointing that out. I suppose one could send the tape, but I really regret I mentioned this edit thing at all. There are bigger issues to be solved before deciding who should edit. Sorry!

 

[The Last Laugh]

Perhaps I didn't make it clear, but the idea is not that I sell your clips, but that you produce clips for me. Which I then sell. The producer would be a sub contractor.

Do I have a better way of distribution than c4s. Absolutely not. I would use c4s myself.

Oh, I'm very sorry, I didn't get that. Now I see what you mean. My apologies.

I'm still not sure why a producer would do that, though. Wouldn't he/she be better off selling the clips him/herself? Why sell to someone who then sells through C4S, as opposed to selling through C4S directly?

Then again, maybe someone likes the idea of doing shoots, but not going through the whole editing and distribution process. Seen that way, it makes sense, and I assume that's kind of what you have in mind. Personally, though, if I'm to hire models and work with them on a shoot, I'm much more comfortable keeping control of distribution. It's a personal thing involving the relationship with the models, Along with a good dose of satisfaction of selling my own stuff and getting positive comments from satisfied customers. Others might feel differently, though.

What I do not agree with you about is that a producer knows exactly when and how much money he gets when he sells on c4s, surely that depends on how many buy the clip and when they buy it. But if a producer sells to someone like me he would be paid an agreed amount on an agreed day. Which would be even before the clip was made!

Now that I understand your idea I see what you mean by that. But isn't that a really big financial risk for you? If a producer sells you the rights to one of his clips instead of selling it himself, it's quite possible that it's because he doesn't expect it to sell very well. Otherwise he might prefer to sell it through C4S himself without dealing with another person (unless, as I mentioned before, the producer simply doesn't want to bother with editing and/or sales).

You also have no way of knowing in advance whether a producer will do the job the way you want it or at the level of quality you're hoping to have. You could ask to see the clip before accepting it, but then there's the risk of the producer being upset at investing a lot of time and money hiring models and shooting the video only to have you reject the final product. Would the money you'd be offering him be worth his while, enough to convince him not to sell the clip himself?

In any case, I wish you good luck with your project, if you do decide to give it a go. I'm not sure how successful it would be, but if you're willing to accept the risk and are fortunate enough to find some takers, then why not?

 

[knudus]

Oh, I'm very sorry, I didn't get that. Now I see what you mean. My apologies.

I'm still not sure why a producer would do that, though. Wouldn't he/she be better off selling the clips him/herself? Why sell to someone who then sells through C4S, as opposed to selling through C4S directly?

Then again, maybe someone likes the idea of doing shoots, but not going through the whole editing and distribution process. Seen that way, it makes sense, and I assume that's kind of what you have in mind. Personally, though, if I'm to hire models and work with them on a shoot, I'm much more comfortable keeping control of distribution. It's a personal thing involving the relationship with the models, Along with a good dose of satisfaction of selling my own stuff and getting positive comments from satisfied customers. Others might feel differently, though.



Now that I understand your idea I see what you mean by that. But isn't that a really big financial risk for you? If a producer sells you the rights to one of his clips instead of selling it himself, it's quite possible that it's because he doesn't expect it to sell very well. Otherwise he might prefer to sell it through C4S himself without dealing with another person (unless, as I mentioned before, the producer simply doesn't want to bother with editing and/or sales).

You also have no way of knowing in advance whether a producer will do the job the way you want it or at the level of quality you're hoping to have. You could ask to see the clip before accepting it, but then there's the risk of the producer being upset at investing a lot of time and money hiring models and shooting the video only to have you reject the final product. Would the money you'd be offering him be worth his while, enough to convince him not to sell the clip himself?

In any case, I wish you good luck with your project, if you do decide to give it a go. I'm not sure how successful it would be, but if you're willing to accept the risk and are fortunate enough to find some takers, then why not?

Thanks!

Oh, I think I would be the one to take the risk, e.g. Pay up front and hope that I like what I got.

Thanks again for your comments!