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András

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I guess my reason for writing this is to see if there are any others who feel or have felt the same way I do.


Although I'm currently attending college at a large university in the Midwest, I was raised in a conservative household deep within the Bible Belt, and although I am not particularly religious, I do have fairly strong moral values. I consider myself very unlucky to have developed a fetish for tickling. I would like to describe a few dilemmas that I've experienced because of it.


I would imagine tickling is inconsequential to most people, but to me, it's a very intimate act with a quasi-sexual undertone. Because of this, I very rarely tickle people, even when the opportunity clearly presents itself, and when I do, I often feel guilty afterwards. Even a casual poke in the ribs can be an obscenity under some circumstances. On the other hand, whenever I see people tickling or being tickled (e.g. - my friends), I have to work hard to ignore it and supress the feeling of jealousy that arises.


I've never outright told anyone that I have a fetish for tickling; I feel that doing so may be disastrous. Alternative lifestyles each have their own little stigmas. I think that if people know you have a fetish for tickling, those who are understanding will go out of their way to make sure they never facilitate any sort of tickling while in your presence. I can only imagine what the less-understanding people might do. Someone who's caught reading through a Playboy magazine is much more easily understood than one who reads an article or looks at pictures of people being tickled.


Even by my own standards, I'm not a saint. In virtually all of my past relationships, I've taken guilty pleasure in tickling my significant other (and in being tickled) - casually of course. Few if any have ever guessed that tickling means something different to me than it does to them. (I did have one close call in which one of my girlfriends found a tickling video folder through Winamp. I managed to convince her that it was a folder "some sicko" had given me to look at, and that I simply hadn't deleted it yet.)


I really don't know where I'd intended to go with this post. I'd lurked on the forums a bit, reading through some of the stories and seeing what others have had to say, but I've never gotten the impression that there are others who feel the same way about tickling as I do. It amazes me that many of you are so open about it (even if just on the internet), and I hope to gain some insights from you.
 
This is odd, because I just posted a thread about how I came out to my boyfriend about tickling. I had a lot of the same feelings that you did for a very long time; I knew I was different, and I didn't understand that others had the same interest I did until I was 12 (my fetish goes back quite a ways, heh). I had always just kept it a secret and didn't really want to tell anyone about it. I even made a sort of decision that I was never going to tell my boyfriend, since it was something he never would HAVE to know.

Well, I too have those feelings of jealousy and intimacy tied to tickling... so when my boyfriend told me how some girls had been tickling him over the trip, I threw a little pity party and started pouting. Well, he really didn't understand what was wrong, and I spent the rest of the evening mulling it over. I wanted to tell him, and finally, minutes before he needed to leave, I did. I explained my fetish and he asked me questions about it, and when all was said and done he made it very clear to me that not only did he understand, he thought it was cute. And by telling him, he understands that our little tickling fights are more than what he thought they were, so he instigates them more and in different ways. I feel like by opening up to him, I've really let a weight off my shoulders.

So that's my advice to you; I'm not really "coming out" (so to speak) to everyone, I only told the person closest to me. It's your perogative to tell whomever you want, but if the person you're with really cares about you they'll understand. A tickling fetish isn't something to be ashamed of; it's a part of you. Feeling bad about it won't make it go away. And you know there are at least 13,000 other people out there who feel the same way you do. 🙂

Hope I helped!
 
I'm not religious but I'm fairly sure tickling isn't a sin. Its a great thing to have, you shouldn't feel unlucky, you should embrace it. All these other people just get turned on by the usual things, but we have an extra. Think of it as a bonus, a gift. 😀
 
You'll find many here who are people of faith and have had the same (or very similar) struggles to what you're having now. Many of us have overcome the guilt and sense of there being no way that others would accept us. Others have not. It can be a real issue.

We're actually planning on forming a yahoo group specificly for folks like us for whom our faith plays a major role in our way of seeing and dealing with our love of tickling. If that's something that you think may be hepful to you, I'll let you know when we get it rolling in a few days.

In the meantime, know that you will find friends and support here. The Lord wouldn't have made us ticklish if He didn't want us to be able to enjoy it. 😉

Ann
 
Hello AndrAis,

Welcome to the TMF where your fetish and your feelings about it are safe! I came to this forum about 1.5yrs ago and it has basically changed my life and my feelings about tickling in specific.

I started out very much like you-a person of faith struggling with feelings about tickling. You have some idea of what I dealt with-the feelings of being "wierd" to sexually warped. My feelings about tickling are a combination of fun and playful to sexual, and all inbetween. It depends on the situation for me-and sometimes it started playful and turned sexual. That's why I'm very careful of whom I'm tickling. I'm a control freak and don't like the loss of control that happens sometimes when tickling someone. You imagine what that person is feeling while you're tickling them and wish it was you. Those thoughts can almost overwhelm me at times. When I watch others getting tickled, sometimes I imagine myself in their place. That's when I can get into trouble!:wow: :wow:

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that they're too many of us out there to feel that tickling at our level of understanding is sinful. I do think you need some balance and accountability for your actions and take care of the lee and not allow yourself to get exploited either. Some of the videos I've seen are very little than porn. I don't need to see women get tickled nude to enjoy the experience. If you want porn, than have porn-I don't think you should mix the two and call it a tickling video. That's kis' personal opinion on the issue.

I don't think God is that twisted-putting something inside of you and then tell you it's sinful. I think some really "f'd-up" messages are being told in pulpits every Sunday. It's one of the reasons I haven't been in church in about three years. God is not about beating you down with guilt to force your worship. I'm no less a Christian because I don't practice organized religion.

Do not allow anyone to beat you down and make you feel bad about who you are. God loves you exactly the way He made you. There are many more spiritual concerns for Him to deal with outside of you tickling fetish. He may have even led you here so you can come to terms with who you are and let you know there's a safe place to voice your tickling passion. 😎

BTW, no one outside the TMF knows about my fetish either and I intend to keep it that way. My family is pretty puritannical when it comes to things and they would probably have me committed if they knew. Why try to justify it to them when I can just come here and share it with people who are more like me?

I'm sorry this post went so long-I'm really trying to do better in that area! I hope this has helped you in some way. Hope to see more of your posts soon.
 
I posted the following in the "Religions" Forum. I wanted to get other TMF member's views on this subject. Apparently, a former member of TMF found God and decided that tickling was no longer welcomed in his life. I wish him peace with his decision. I don't feel that tickling is a 'sin' unless you overstep your boundaries and abuse the person you are tickling. A lot of innocent activities can become 'sinister' if taken to extremes. ("Sinister"? I wonder if that's where the word 'Sin' came from?)

Anyway, view this and come to your own conclusion.

http://members.aol.com/psycho4048/intro.htm


I hope you will see that tickling can be a very wonderful addition to your life... and not something to be wished away.

By the way, if looking at a person of the opposite sex (or same sex, if that's what you're into) with desire is considered the 'sin' of lust, then every human being alive should be lobotomized. Ridding yourself of all desires that seem 'sinful' will only make a person miserable in the long run. Be happy with yourself and who you are!
 
That tickling is your partialism is irrelevant really. Your big issue is worrying about confronting your sexuality, whatever it might have turned out to be. This isn't a moral issue. Personal morals don't impinge on sexuality unless you've got serious guilty misgivings in your subconscious, and there's a 99.99999999999999999% probability that yours come from your religious upbringing. You may not go to church any more, but the conditioning you had as a child has without a doubt affected you very strongly.

This is about you coming to terms with what you have inside yourself and what you believe in. There are dozens, if not hundreds of practicing Christians on this board who have overcome their guilt complexes or never had one to start with because they arrived here having already sorted it out. You've definately got one: why else would you have used the words "some sicko" to your ex-girlfriend when passing off the presence of the tickling video clip? Deep down, that is what you think of yourself, which is why you chose to use those words.

Give yourself a chance and you will grow. You will accept yourself and you will eventually get over the guilt you feel. Although never being exactly religious, I tortured myself in my adolescence because I thought I was a lone deviant. Then I come online and I find I'm not alone, there's bloody thousands of us! If you still believe in God, remember two things: a) He never created any perfect human being. Every one of us has faults and hurdles we need to overcome in life. If you are still religious, then it follows that God Himself gave you a tickling fetish. b) Not only perfect people avoid hell. If that was the case, heaven will be empty apart from God Himself come the Rapture.

So don't fester with this, because it won't do anyone any good. This isn't evil, it's not deviant, it's not even dirty. It's a perfectly acceptable, social and fun activity that can be sexual in the right circumstances if you so choose it to be.
 
featherfingers said:
I posted the following in the "Religions" Forum. I wanted to get other TMF member's views on this subject. Apparently, a former member of TMF found God and decided that tickling was no longer welcomed in his life. I wish him peace with his decision. I don't feel that tickling is a 'sin' unless you overstep your boundaries and abuse the person you are tickling. A lot of innocent activities can become 'sinister' if taken to extremes. ("Sinister"? I wonder if that's where the word 'Sin' came from?)

Anyway, view this and come to your own conclusion.

http://members.aol.com/psycho4048/intro.htm

Not only was that a former member, it was the founder of the TMF! (You notice MTPJeff's title is "Co-Founder"? Well this guy was the other one.) A very good example of what can happen to someone when they let negative emotion blind them to the true benefits of a harmless activity.
 
BigJim said:
Not only was that a former member, it was the founder of the TMF! (You notice MTPJeff's title is "Co-Founder"? Well this guy was the other one.) A very good example of what can happen to someone when they let negative emotion blind them to the true benefits of a harmless activity.

Hey, BigJim!

I was informed of that fact by Qjakal in the other thread. He said we should be grateful to that member (Scott, I believe) for bringing TMF into existence, and I think that's something we all can agree with.
 
Definately, although Scott would disagree. He flagellates himself twice daily and begs forgiveness for leading so many of us into sin.😀
 
I don't think it's a sin to simply think something (though I'm sure people would argue with me.) What's important is your actions. When you tickle someone, I would imagine you feel guilty because you're getting more out of it than the other person suspects. However with something like kissing, they know that it is a sexual action and accept that so you don't need to feel guilty about it. If they are aware tickling is sexual for you then they are free to choose whether or not they want to engage in something sexual with you.
 
When a guy sees a girl he wants to meet, I bet the last thing he's thinking about is whether she can bake a pie or if she's read anything by Dickens. When a lady checks out a guy, she's probably not wondering if he knows how to speak Lebanese. Let's suppose they meet and possibly kiss. Where it goes from there is up to them... why can't tickling be looked at in the same way? Is kissing any less 'sinful' than tickling? I've seen lots of couples (Christian ones, too) kiss and carry on without worrying if the devil is gonna poke their asses with his pitchfork. I'd say that God has more pressing issues to deal with than where our fingers end up when we're tickling somebody...but that's for discussion in the 'Religions Forum'.
 
I don`t think being a member of a tickling forum is a sin, but there are moral issues to deal with here, for instance if you are married and are having tickling sessions with fellow members without your spouse having any knowledge, in most peoples eyes you are not being faithful to your spouse. In this case I think religion comes into play. This can become a very ticklish issue, no pun intended.
 
unclebill said:
I don`t think being a member of a tickling forum is a sin, but there are moral issues to deal with here, for instance if you are married and are having tickling sessions with fellow members without your spouse having any knowledge, in most peoples eyes you are not being faithful to your spouse. In this case I think religion comes into play. This can become a very ticklish issue, no pun intended.

Now that could be an entire thread topic all by itself!

I recently engaged in a tickle session with a lady who was on the tail end of a divorce. Despite the fun we both had, she and I decided it would be best to postpone any further get togethers until her divorce was final. I won't say religious beliefs had anything to do with that decision, but she wanted to be sure her future-ex didn't catch me with her, and I wanted to make sure my face wouldn't be used as a punching bag by the aforementioned gentleman. After all, they are still legally married.
 
You did the right thing Mr. Fingers. Wait till the divorce is final, then tickle her. If her husband caught you tickling his wife he may do some facial work on you and your face might resemble the south end of a north bound mule.
 
AndrAis: I can identify with you on a few things. It sounds to me as if, with or without the tickling fetish, you're a person who does a lot of self-reflecting and a lot of worrying about whether you're being good, however you define that. I'm like that too, and was a particularly severe case of it in my undergraduate years of college, a bit over two decades ago. And interestingly, in this time in your life more than ever, you're surrounded by guys your age who wouldn't think twice about either having a one-night stand with a girl or tickling her wildly for the sheer horseplay of it. You're different because you think a lot, and you feel a lot. These in themselves are idiosyncracies, too.

So, your personality does contain a repertoire of qualities that make you different from some of your peers. And you know what? You might as well embrace it all, because it's all you. And sure, there are moral codes to be formulated and followed. But it's liberating to realize that you have the ability to think for yourself and decide what moral codes you believe in, and from the way you describe your feelings, I don't think you're in too much danger of going wrong by thinking for yourself about what's right and what's wrong. And I agree with the person who implied that, if it's all right to kiss a girl, it's all right to tickle her. In both cases, of course, that is provided that it's all right with her.
 
András, I know how you feel. I still struggle with it to some degree, and I consider myself to have traveled pretty far along the road to SelfAcceptanceville. I’ve gone from total panic at the mention of the word, to a mere inner-chuckle (along with a pinch of way-deep-down-inside panic. depending…). even after attending gatherings!

the thing that’s helped me the most, is being able to talk about it. first on TMF and then with the people I met because of it. my best advice would be to continue to get to know people from here and from gatherings. knowing people who you like and respect, who feel the same way you do about his thing, goes a long way toward making you feel better about you.

there really are some wonderful people out there who just happen to have a passion (fetish… whatever… ) for tickling and being tickled.

not everyone needs to know (I’m a firm believer in that!) but having SOMEONE who knows, and understands, is important. whether it be a friend, lover, or the TMF… the more you talk about it, the less it will feel like a deep, dark, dirty secret and the more it will be just something that makes you you.
 
Ayla ny said:
btw, the posts here are the stuff that made me love this place!

I second that emotion, Ayla ny!

Speaking of posts, when I first logged on to TMF, I wore my fingers out writing threads about tickling and replying to tickle threads... now five or so months have passed and do you know what? I'm a little burned out with the tickle talk. I prefer threads like this one or any that can be found in the "General Discussion Forum." I enjoy discussing all kinds of topics, not just tickling. I like to help out those seeking advice... not that I'm a psychologist but I have been around the block a few times, as have many who have been here much longer than I have. I've received great advice from others, too.

As in real life, my TMF world covers a vast array of interests. When I meet women, sure, I wonder if they're ticklish but more importantly I want to know what makes them tick!

If tickling is a 'sin' (sin is such a harsh word), then I think that would apply to anyone who lets it become so obsessive that they begin hurting people in order to get their 'fix'. There are boundaries to be considered, and when those boundaries are crossed, then the person in question should seek help.
 
If tickling is a sin, then we'll all be in good company in hell anyway. 😉


I think I might go there anyway, given the choice. 😀 Most satanists worship the Devil, last I heard he'd started worshipping me. 😀 😛
 
There's nothing immoral about tickling, unless you do take religion into account, and consider the rules of the Bible to be equal to the only existing true morality. Tickling can be sexual, certainly, but it's not sex... there's no risk of unwanted pregnancy or STDs involved.

Sin is a terrible concept, one that suggests that your soul is stained by the things you've done, and by the things other people dead for thousands of years have done... it makes no sense whatsoever, and is one of the worst things any religion has ever taught its followers. It's nothing more than a method of control.

I'm slightly embarrassed about my own fetishes, sure, but I don't mistake them as being immoral. I simply worry about other peoples' reactions. I've heard any number of "mundane" friends of mine talk about how disgusting feet are, and I was myself raised to regard tickling as torture, something you Just Don't Do to other people (my mother recently discovered my fascination and has tried to undo that little stigma, sort of...)

I don't drink, do drugs, or smoke... I don't have unprotected sex... I eat right, I exercise, I take my friends out on day trips. I'm trying to further my education with a college degree. I'm faithful to my very beautiful, sweet, intelligent and talented girlfriend, and I make sure she always knows she's my entire world. We've spoken of marriage off and on... I just need to save up and buy the ring, because I'm going to do things properly (properly meaning, make her faint dead away when she sees the ring). I don't walk by a charity pot without slipping in more money than I really have to spare, and I never regret it... I'd rather spend my money on other people than myself.

And I tickle. And get myself tickled. Hey, though... sometimes, some very medieval-like restraints are employed. The Church should like that 😉

I'm not perfect, of course... I'm a little jealous, a little obsessive... sometimes much more than 'a little,' really. But I'm a good person, and I've heard as much from a lot of people. I fail to see how tickling could be bad, how it could make me any less than what I might be if I didn't do it (which would probably be something like a miserable, cold, jealous wreck, I imagine).
 
BigJim said:
If tickling is a sin, then we'll all be in good company in hell anyway. 😉

There was a song by Curtis Mayfield (may he rest in peace) called, "If There's A Hell Below (We're All Gonna Go)".

I suppose that when you think about it, even the most 'saintly' of us has flaws that could be deemed 'hellworthy', if hell exists. As for someone considering tickling to be a sin, I'd quote what Jesus said... "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Some of the most judgmental people have issues about themselves that they have yet to deal with... yet they have no problem pointing out someone else's 'flaws'.
 
"I consider myself very unlucky to have developed a fetish for tickling."


Hello, AndrAis, and welcome to the TMF officially!
I guess the quote above struck me most from your post. Whatever your childhood gave you I would hate to think that you're living in everlasting guilt. Though I don't agree with Azrael about the concept of sin, I do agree with him that bottling these feelings will only cause you undue harm.

I posted a similar thread sometime last year about the moral/religious issues around this tickling love of ours and I'm very excited to hear from Ann that a group is forming to delve into this issue further. Thankfully I got a lot of the same good words that are found here. But they are only words. The issue is what you're going to do from here.

My prayer for you is for peace about what to do with these feelings. From my perspective the fetish is not a bad thing at all and does not conflict with any religious principles. As with all things--what we do with it is where lines may get crossed. If you feel like tickling represents a temptation that will cause you to do things you know you shouldn't--then flee as the Bible teaches. If you can enjoy tickling within the boundaries of how you establish close relationships in your life--then enjoy it with all enthusiasm.

I agree with other great contributors that God has given us this love just as he has relationships, sex, food, entertainment, and anything else that gives us pleasure until we are complete and with Him. As with all the things mentioned, when we make idols out of any of them they can hurt rather than please.

Bottom line--don't be so hard on yourself. Welcome to this great community, and I hope I have encouraged you in some small way!

Again, peace to you,
JP 🙂
 
I think that I've finally come to terms with the issue. Thank you to everyone who's posted a response. Many of you have raised interesting personal questions for me to address. However, the one thing that I feel has really liberated me as of late has been my instant messenger conversations with a relatively inactive member of your forum.

Shortly after posting “serious thoughts”, I received a private message from a young lady who said she didn't relate to the majority of the people on the forum. Anyway, she turned out to be a few years older than me, said she had some personal insight she'd be willing to share, and offered to chat with me.

At first, I wasn't really sure what I should say, but I soon realized that – here was a person I could talk to about nearly everything. Considering how I'd never talked to anyone in private about my issues with tickling, it was a major breakthrough. Anyway, I feel that we learned a lot about each other, and eventually, I really opened up and got everything I could think of off my chest. She told me about her various experiences with family, boyfriends, and the tickling community, and I told her about my (relatively dull) experiences with my family, girlfriends, etc.

Last night, we had a much more serious conversation. We'd talked about how tickling can be another way to open up to someone you really care about but how it shouldn't be taken lightly in that context. She said that she treats the issue much like she treats sex because it has a very strong pull on emotional and intimate issues with people. We also agreed that treating it lightly, saying “they're just tickles”, makes it meaningless and generally less enjoyable.

We also talked about the effect of tickling stories and videos in general. She compared it to an unfortunate relationship she was in (before she really got into tickling). The guy had an established Friday night routine that consisted of drinking from a bottle of Jim Beam and watching a porno or two. He had become so used to pleasing himself and using porn that a real woman was useless to him, and whenever they had sex, he always had to finish himself off. We talked about how reading about tickling usually just makes you want it more. In her words, “. . . the more you focus on it, the more you desire it.” I've read tickling stories in the past, and like she said, I'd always feel like I was missing out somehow.

I feel that I've really come to terms with tickling, and I want to keep tickling as real as possible in my life. For the past few years, I'd kept several tickling video clips and pictures on my computer; last night I deleted them all. I was wrong initially; it wasn't that my moral values necessarily prevented me from enjoying tickling. Instead, I was never honest with myself about it. My hope is that, as I date young ladies in the future, I am able to find one who I can really open up to and who will be understanding of my love for tickling (possibly even facilitating it).

I'm very grateful to the person I've been chatting with over the past few days. Her friendship has been invaluable.

I would never have been able to come to terms with the issue had I not found this forum, and for that I am thankful. However, in the interests of keeping tickling a real part of my life, I don't think I will be returning very often.
 
AndrAis... (how'd you get that ~ thing on your 'A' like that?)

Thanks for your response and I wish you the very best in life. I hope you'll check in on us every now and then. Peace and love to you, my friend!
 
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