Shaming TMF Members who Upload Copyrighted Clips in Public Forums

[Texas_Tickle]

I have made numerous attempts to contact the administrators and moderators of this site and they have refused to return emails or phone calls.

Sadly though that may be wasted energy. Now if you were the RIAA, all you would have to do is send one letter, and make the gates of hell open.

Since we lack that kind of clout, many warnings will fall on deaf ears. They would rather that you be the victim of a pirate, than for their ISP to risk losing a paying customer.

 

[rhiannon]

don't mind flaunting their customer's personal information

What does "flaunt their customer's personal information" mean here? Does it mean taking them to court?

 

[daeryk]

Thanks to piracy waytooticklish is going to stop producing, he's removed most his videos.

I'm annoyed about this because I am just over a month away from a new job where I could buy some of his good ones 🙁

 

[goddess_nemesis]

What does "flaunt their customer's personal information" mean here? Does it mean taking them to court?

I do believe people are referring to this:

I would list the TMF members who are posting my copy written material but that is a violation of the golden rule. You folks know who you are.

Instead I plan on posting their complete information: names, address etc on my own site and am alerting clips4sale to see if some sort of blacklist can be created to stop these individuals from making future purchases.

how dangerous it could be.

Not only would be violating a person's privacy, even though he or she is "guilty" of piracy, but it would be an open door for possibly more dangerous thieves and trolls. Names, addresses, etc. I wonder what the etc would entail... phone numbers, email addresses? That information is perfect for any hacker, thief, or just simply a troll to destroy that person's life more effectively than yaqi suing them. Especially if a hacker wanted to steal the person's identity. Aren't we told nearly every day to be careful of what information we ourselves post online?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Thanks to piracy waytooticklish is going to stop producing, he's removed most his videos.

I'm annoyed about this because I am just over a month away from a new job where I could buy some of his good ones 🙁

"People were taking my videos and I wasn't getting money from them, so now I'll make it where I won't a dime anything from them anymore."

Perfect plan.

 

[OKC_TklCpl]

yeahh.... umm ive bought some of his clips in the past but I will NEVER DO IT AGAIN! Simply because he is now publicly boasting that he has their personal information and is willing to post it on his main site so as not to violate the "golden rule" of the forum...

Also, I was browsing some vids this recent payday and noticed a clip where he had a model tickled on top of an American flag... Im a disabled vet and found that very offensive but didnt want to stir up things in the forum. Now that he's got me talking I thought I would drop that too. Why?

 

[yaqisworld]

yeahh.... umm ive bought some of his clips in the past but I will NEVER DO IT AGAIN! Simply because he is now publicly boasting that he has their personal information and is willing to post it on his main site so as not to violate the "golden rule" of the forum...

I do not collect personal information from my customers. It took a lot of painstaking research to link them conclusively to clips they have purchased and clips they have posted. These individuals are members of the TMF in good standing. One is a frequent poster. They have refused to answer my pms and have refused to remove their postiing of my copy written material.

After listening to some of the opinions in this thread I have decided to look for an alternative to posting personal information on my site. Many of you have brought up valid points.

I would have thought that shaming TMF members into ceasing their piracy would be enough. Perhaps time will tell.

Also, I was browsing some vids this recent payday and noticed a clip where he had a model tickled on top of an American flag... Im a disabled vet and found that very offensive but didnt want to stir up things in the forum. Now that he's got me talking I thought I would drop that too. Why?

It was a beach towel that featured elements from the American flag. It was not an American Flag. I also recently did a video to the specifications of a military unit stationed in Afghanistan. Seemed to really make their day.

 

[OKC_TklCpl]

It was a beach towel that featured elements from the American flag. It was not an American Flag. I also recently did a video to the specifications of a military unit stationed in Afghanistan. Seemed to really make their day.[/QUOTE]


Okay. well im glad it wasnt an actual flag. 🙂 Im glad i didnt start a hate thread in the heat of the moment about it now.

 

[AlternativeProd]

"People were taking my videos and I wasn't getting money from them, so now I'll make it where I won't a dime anything from them anymore."

Perfect plan.

I think he's just saying that he won't make them anymore... period. The man has to pay his bills and eat. This crap keep up, your choices in producers is going to get extremely limited.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Thanks actually it is,

1. I am barely earning a dime from them now, and

2. Rather than spend 10-15 hours of my time producing such videos and $200-$300 of my much needed money to hire a model and then have my product taken and offered for free by some prick who feels he is entitled to do so, resulting in me MAYBE earning my model fees back; LITERALLY taking the food out of my mouth - YES I actually need my money from these videos to pay bills and eat, I am now going to spend my time working in a job that cant be pirated from me.

I think he's just saying that he won't make them anymore... period. The man has to pay his bills and eat. This crap keep up, your choices in producers is going to get extremely limited.

No, I mean his store actually has 80% of his clips gone, as in he's paid the models, the editing is done, and he's made it where he can now in no way profit from his already spent time and money.

 

[thetmfobserver]

No, I mean his store actually has 80% of his clips gone, as in he's paid the models, the editing is done, and he's made it where he can now in no way profit from his already spent time and money.

I see what you're saying. Stop producing new content, and just continue to sell (or not sell) the clips you've already made. If you take them all down, you're guaranteed not to make any money. At least keeping it up gives you a chance of making some pocket cash.

I wonder, though, what Clips4Sale charges for keeping the store open, plus any other fees that go along with that.

 

[yaqisworld]

I know your intentions were good...

Yaqi, I think the biggest mistake has now been made.

If I put the idea of pirating into peoples heads by starting this thread, which I'm not sure I agree with, then you just doused the fire with a gallon of gasoline with your response.

 

[miskiduk]

If I put the idea of pirating into peoples heads by starting this thread, which I'm not sure I agree with, then you just doused the fire with a gallon of gasoline with your response.

You may well be correct there. I think I did actually draw much more attention to the very thing I'd intended to point out to you as a bad idea.
I've removed the post as it does just make matters worse. Please remember my point though, I'm sure it has some validity.

 

[yaqisworld]

You may well be correct there. I think I did actually draw much more attention to the very thing I'd intended to point out to you as a bad idea.
I've removed the post as it does just make matters worse. Please remember my point though, I'm sure it has some validity.

Your point is well taken sir.

 

[badreligion]

It has recently been brought to my attention that there are a large number of clips, not previews, but full length copy written clips that I have made and that many other tickle video producers have made that are being uploaded into various high traffic forums available for free downloading. I was appalled to discover that many of these people are TMF members. I have decided to start a crusade to stop this and would encourage my fellow producers to do the same. Its one thing to find an occasional clip floating around the internet but to find a whole page of them, many in access of 20 minutes, is personally disturbing.

Unlike sites such as youtube, this material cannot be flagged. It can only be removed by the user and since this site offers privileges each time you contribute material these posters actually benefit from my copy written videos.

Using my records and the records from my clips4sale stores I have positively identified several of the offenders.

I have privately contacted each of these individuals and asked them to remove their posting. So far not one individual has complied or even answered me.

I would list the TMF members who are posting my copy written material but that is a violation of the golden rule. You folks know who you are.

Instead I plan on posting their complete information: names, address etc on my own site and am alerting clips4sale to see if some sort of blacklist can be created to stop these individuals from making future purchases.

I am aware that this sort of piracy is rampant and has been so since the Internet was spawned but I think it is time for tickle producers to more aggressively police and protect their material.

Yaqi

I understand your problem and I don't disagree with it but who the hell are you to post people's private information like name and home address on your website ? .

 

[yaqisworld]

I understand your problem and I don't disagree with it but who the hell are you to post people's private information like name and home address on your website ? .

Who the hell are people to pirate my material for their own gains?

And you should read the entire thread. Based on the opinions and points made I have retracted that statement. I'm not too big to admit when I've had a bad idea.

 

[yaqisworld]

When I started my site, I only allowed gold members to down load (DL) content. It took all of two days for me to find my clips on free sites. I then decided that I would let no one DL from my site any longer.

I decided to fore go some profit to, keep my sanity. I refuse to have a clips4sale (C4S)site, because it is not fair to a person who pays for his clip, only to find people are seeing the very same content for free.

I am not getting rich on the revenues of my site, but I am not chasing my tail or paying fees to my lawyer. I feel for guys like Tommy or Sergio who have stated to me that they are spending a better part of their day dealing with copyright infringements. That is simply not for me. I am not saying my site be hacked, and content cant be stolen, but why would the offender go through that trouble, when there is so much other available content to grab with no added hassle.

Another reason I will not open a C4S site is because, they do nothing about infringement issues, (not to my knowledge) They have the lobby of tens of thousands of small producers and could put a simple petition on the C4S back of house operations, and have the producers sign it. Then submit that petition to the offending sites, along with a copyright infringement letter those sites. C4S could also take fifty cents from their profits of each clip and put that toward a legal fund, also taking a piece of the store owners profit to make it fair. I do understand that international laws differ from country to country, but a war starts with a singe shot fired!

As far as outing the offenders OUT THEM! It will be just as much trouble for the offender to take action on you, as you to them. Please let me be clear, I am only speaking of indisputable knowledge of the offender's actions. If there is no doubt, ruin their life, they have little respect for yours.

I have a friend who owns a pizza place and he has up a picture frame full of bounced checks. He would post them only after he tried to work it out with the customer, but after exhausting that avenue, he would post the ISF check in plain view for all to see. That frame was filled with over 80 checks, that was a year ago, today it is rare to find one.

I will not put myself through that trouble. If my videos start appearing on other sites, I will promptly close my site. At present I am happy to say I have the most loyal members who do not mind to pay $9.95 a month to enjoy my videos and other content. I try to post at least a full hour of video content in a months time. Also, provide the offset of not being able to DL clips, I offer free custom requests to gold members.

To all of you who don't agree with my logic on the theft of content, before you make a statement arguing outing a offending person; Please go out and buy, a camera, lights, and video editing software. Then hire a (very often)flaky model for two-five hundred dollars an hour. Then spend a day of your life editing, and posting the content, only to find some jealous bastard, posting that content for all to see in hours for free. Thus, costing you, your hard earned money. Then, and only then, lets see what you think of my logic.

Lastly, Thank you to all of my members who understand my point and support me. With out you there would be no www.misstoegoddess.com

Very well said. I have 5 new videos ready for release and after this discussion I find my motivation for releasing them dwindling into nothing.

 

[LD_Tickler]

ruin their life, they have little respect for yours.

Yes, that seems proportionate. 🙄

Regardless, violating the law for the sake of satisfying your sense of vigilante justice is wrong and illegal. I'm glad Yaqi has decided against doing this.

 

[yaqisworld]

Yes, that seems proportionate. 🙄

Regardless, violating the law for the sake of satisfying your sense of vigilante justice is wrong and illegal. I'm glad Yaqi has decided against doing this.

Yup. I'm completely reformed.

 

[UnHolyUnion]

I understand your problem and I don't disagree with it but who the hell are you to post people's private information like name and home address on your website ? .

Nervous, badreligion? Perhaps someone will pickup where Yaqi left off... if you steal, ya never know where your personal info might end up...

 

[theshire]

I will confess right here and right now that I have both uploaded and downloaded tickling clips in exactly the manner Yaqi has described here - although it has to be said, never any of his clips. Yaqi will say that I am immoral for doing this.

However, I have a serious question: If I buy the Star Wars box set on DVD, and I then give it to a friend for free, should George Lucas take me to court and sue me? Would he succeed? What about if I copied the DVDs that I had legitimately bought and gave the copies, out of pure good will, to my friend? What then? What if I copied it for five friends? Ten? Fifty?

In these cases I suppose I am technically breaking the law. But would any court really take this seriously? I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps they would. In any case, it seems much the same to me as this example, with tickling producers complaining about "piracy" and "theft" because someone paid to buy one of their clips and then shared that clip with others free of charge. I work as a purchaser for a small business, and in my line of work buying stuff for a price and then passing it on for free would be considered extremely bad business - but it only works out badly for me and my business, NOT for my suppliers, who still made their money on the goods I bought from them.

I'm not trying to provoke or disparage anyone; I'm genuinely interested to hear people's thoughts on this.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

This thread is full of derp.

 

[LD_Tickler]

I will confess right here and right now that I have both uploaded and downloaded tickling clips in exactly the manner Yaqi has described here - although it has to be said, never any of his clips. Yaqi will say that I am immoral for doing this.

However, I have a serious question: If I buy the Star Wars box set on DVD, and I then give it to a friend for free, should George Lucas take me to court and sue me? Would he succeed? What about if I copied the DVDs that I had legitimately bought and gave the copies, out of pure good will, to my friend? What then? What if I copied it for five friends? Ten? Fifty?

In these cases I suppose I am technically breaking the law. But would any court really take this seriously? I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps they would. In any case, it seems much the same to me as this example, with tickling producers complaining about "piracy" and "theft" because someone paid to buy one of their clips and then shared that clip with others free of charge. I work as a purchaser for a small business, and in my line of work buying stuff for a price and then passing it on for free would be considered extremely bad business - but it only works out badly for me and my business, NOT for my suppliers, who still made their money on the goods I bought from them.

I'm not trying to provoke or disparage anyone; I'm genuinely interested to hear people's thoughts on this.

Nobody would be mad at you for lending the DVDs, or even copying them, just to give to a friend. However, there is a number of copies that if you made, would change things. Nobody knows what that number is, but most people are pretty sure it exists - and pretty sure that uploading onto a site hits that number. It's a big gray area, to be sure.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

As far as outing the offenders OUT THEM! It will be just as much trouble for the offender to take action on you, as you to them. Please let me be clear, I am only speaking of indisputable knowledge of the offender's actions. If there is no doubt, ruin their life, they have little respect for yours.

I have a friend who owns a pizza place and he has up a picture frame full of bounced checks. He would post them only after he tried to work it out with the customer, but after exhausting that avenue, he would post the ISF check in plain view for all to see. That frame was filled with over 80 checks, that was a year ago, today it is rare to find one.

It is dangerous to post someone's personal information on the internet. Not only because trolls can use it to spam and harass them, but also because thieves can use that information to steal their identity. Is shaming people worth destroying a person's entire life?

It is also dangerous for your friend to have a picture frame for bounced checks just to shame people. Easy for someone else to read and steal their information. I work at a gas station and we deal with bad checks all the time. Instead of shaming people, we have a list that only employees to view of names of people who wrote bad checks to us that way if they try again, we can decline the check and ask for another form of payment.

I feel for producers who create clips that people steal and share for free. I think there are other ways.

I suggest to yaqi and other producers:

• To create a list of real names that you can connect to usernames and share it with other producers so you can decline the sale if it's known that the person has a history of pirating a clip.
• Mail them a letter (since PMs and emails aren't working) to remove the pirated clip or face legal consequence.
• If you do want to shame the people, at most post the usernames of the people who pirated your clips.

But using real names, addresses, and whatever else, is not the answer, is incredibly dangerous, and will only create a legal nightmare. I'm glad you're not going to do that, yaqi.

 

[yaqisworld]

Yaqi will say that I am immoral for doing this.

Only if you used said material for masturbatory purposes.

As for copying Star Wars, the FBI could find you guilty of criminal distribution, even if you were giving out free copies only, and put you in federal prison for 5 years and fine you up to $250,000.