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Shaming TMF Members who Upload Copyrighted Clips in Public Forums

I am just saying that filing legal action in a public court is in itself a way of publicly "outing" the perp..... so in a sense it is the same end result....

One is a crime, and dangerous to the person. One is proper legal procedure. They're not the same at all.

"moral"...? If you say so, but personally I think those that continuously give away others product for free are as immoral as they come and quite frankly deserve what they get...
"They get what they deserve." and what do they deserve? Whatever the producer feels like doling out? No, my moral system is based on proportionality, as are most.

a court case makes it a matter of public record....
So you're free to give them a head start? Again, no. The court has the right to use their information. Not the person taking them to court.
 
One is a crime, and dangerous to the person. One is proper legal procedure. They're not the same at all.


"They get what they deserve." and what do they deserve? Whatever the producer feels like doling out? No, my moral system is based on proportionality, as are most.


So you're free to give them a head start? Again, no. The court has the right to use their information. Not the person taking them to court.

Like I said earlier. They may not have the legal right to use it, but then you can always sue them if they do....chance you take when you choose to screw someone over after you have provided them with that info to begin with...
 
Like I said earlier. They may not have the legal right to use it, but then you can always sue them if they do....chance you take when you choose to screw someone over after you have provided them with that info to begin with...

Well then that raises a pretty simple question.

Why would you opt for an illegal course of action where you could wind up sued, rather than the proper, legal course of action which will hold the criminal responsible?
 
Well then that raises a pretty simple question.

Why would you opt for an illegal course of action where you could wind up sued, rather than the proper, legal course of action which will hold the criminal responsible?



It is unlikely that said perp will sue...totally unlikely...

And it is costly for the producer to do so...

never said I would opt for it, there are other methods of handling such things legally without going to court that are equally effective....
 
It is unlikely that said perp will sue...totally unlikely...

And it is costly for the producer to do so...

Well, if you put any stake in following the law (which I assume you do, since you're outraged that the file-sharers did not), you'd shy away from lawbreaking even if you thought you could get away with it. It may be costly to pursue your legal rights, but they're the only thing you're entitled to, and likely the only way you'll get compensated.

never said I would opt for it, there are other methods of handling such things legally without going to court that are equally effective....

I guess that's my mistake then, because it sure sounded like you were endorsing it to me.

Other legal ways of handling it? Such as?
 
Well, if you put any stake in following the law (which I assume you do, since you're outraged that the file-sharers did not), you'd shy away from lawbreaking even if you thought you could get away with it. It may be costly to pursue your legal rights, but they're the only thing you're entitled to, and likely the only way you'll get compensated.



I guess that's my mistake then, because it sure sounded like you were endorsing it to me.

Other legal ways of handling it? Such as?

Reporting said violator to his internet provider. The perp will have violated his terms of service with them and they have a lot of legal clout behind them with no cost to the producer... and that is just one way...there are others that can be found by doing a little research...😉
 
Reporting said violator to his internet provider. The perp will have violated his terms of service with them and they have a lot of legal clout behind them with no cost to the producer... and that is just one way...there are others that can be found by doing a little research...😉

I'm not sure I follow. It's still not legal to breach the privacy policy except for the purposes of litigation. Disclosing it to an ISP would still be illegal. Nor would it compel the perp to compensate the producer.
 
I'm not sure I follow. It's still not legal to breach the privacy policy except for the purposes of litigation. Disclosing it to an ISP would still be illegal. Nor would it compel the perp to compensate the producer.

Anyone can file a copyright terms of service violation with any internet service provider. Studios do it all the time for offenses on pirate bay and other file sharing sites as do musicians and producers of other multi media.

The ip or email that is used is reported to the provider and they take it from there. Perfectly legal to do so.

If you knew someone was uploading pirated materials you could report them even if it isnt your material. The provider may or may not take action unless the copyright holder files a complaint but it is certainly not illegal to file one.
 
Gotcha. Sure, he could do that. Still wouldn't get him his money back, though.
 
Gotcha. Sure, he could do that. Still wouldn't get him his money back, though.

Sometimes it isnt all about the money.....though it would be easier to sue after said perp had been shut down by his service provider for copyright violations now wouldnt it...pretty much an open and shut case...
 
It's even better when someone comes on this site and posts a topic in the vidclip section like "OMG Look at all the free clips I found!!" and then they whine when everyone jumps on them.

I really don't know how much success you'll have with this, Yaqi, but lets hope whatever moves you make end up making you some money rather than costing you a lot of it.

Also, on a side topic, why are producers paying models $200-300 per session? I've heard of companies paying random hot girls and guys off the street to make all sorts of videos for $100 or less. I've always felt the model-centric world of professional tickling clips wasn't very cost-effective, especially with so many untapped beauties walking around.
 
Folks, I have to agree with Yaqi. If I sell only 5 copies of a video clip, one of whom is a customer who uses an email address of TheLoneStranger@ and then he's in some online forum using the nickname TheLoneStranger reposting my clip for free to the masses, then it's pretty obvious it's the same person. Even the law would agree that's a pretty strong connection.

By the way I randomly made up the name TheLoneStranger just now, so I hope nobody thinks it relates to anybody.

I hope this filesharing stuff by TFers is rare. I like to think that most tickle people are good people who want to support (with their voting dollars) the creation of more and more tickle content.
 
I'm far from video producer, but I understand copyright infringement.

I have always imagined if someone had taken the pdf of my two e-comics and printed them without my permission or consent, I wouldn't be too happy. Imagine someone had stolen your car that you work hard for, and they use the parts for their piece of crap. You worked hard to produce your material, and you deserve every cent. Not some parasite that uses your material for his use.
 
I spend countless hours each week combing various sites and blogs and I find my content everywhere, hundreds of videos every week. Today alone I had to send DMCA complaints for nearly 100 videos. I have found as many as 450 of my videos on a single file sharing site, all submitted by one user who still wasn't banned from that site. Time I could spend doing anything more productive is wasted trying to protect my investment and income that provides for my family. Pirates think its funny, they sometimes even mock producers and seem to think they are performing some kind of fucking public service. Producers can do little to stop it, we can only waste a lot of time contacting sites to remove our links, and they do remove them only to allow the same douchebag to reupload the videos again.

There is no punishment for pirates. Sure it may not be legal but I would jump for joy to see a pirate outed and humiliated. Producers spend their money, time, creative energy to produce something they are proud of and the next day its being shared. Reminds me of a story of one of the few McDonald's to be closed, it was in a neighborhood I am familiar with. It was robbed almost weekly so it was closed, now the neighborhood has no damn McDonald's. Not such a tragedy you may think, but nobody in that neighborhood can get a BigMac without traveling a lot further than they once had to, the owner who spent a considerable amount of money is assed out, the employees who onced worked there no longer had jobs. Yes a tickling producer may not be the most noblest profession, but if piracy is left unchecked and without consequences, there won't be many of us left for much longer, we're all going to have to look a lot harder for what we have now.

I know my rant applies to a very small minority of people, but imagine walking down the street, passing a thousand people in a day, all of them saying good morning or hello and one asshole out of nowhere tells you to go fuck yourself. That's what you think about from that moment on, that one in a thousand can ruin your day. Maybe from now on you walk down the street and don't look anyone in the eye, you dont say hello, you keep to yourself just to avoid that one in a thousand asshole. That's how I think some producers are feeling, we want those few assholes off the streets so to speak.

There are too many ways to get around copyright laws and its going to be a very long time before anything significant is going to be done about it. Most of the people who browse these file sharing sites are there because they dont intend to ever pay for a video anyway. But still, its an insult to the producers and the customers who have paid for the videos. I read all the time on offending sites from users that "sharing isn't stealing," so I guess they wouldn't mind if Yaqi or other producers shared information about them? I am not sure it is the same thing nor if it would solve anything. I guess the only thing that can be done for now is possibly for producers to share this information with each other to block pirates from purchasing our products. Its a messy situation no matter how you look at it, and we all know how expensive it is to legally resolve these issues with very little that can be gained in return.

I will say that most of the time I find out about file sharing from TMF members, other producers as well. So hopefully Yaqi it will make you feel a little bit better that almost everyone here has our backs.
 
Piracy exists. Period. Out all the users you like, send all the DMCA notices you can, it isn't going anywhere. That is simply the plugged-in world that we inhabit. I would wager that more than a few of the people screaming for blood in this thread have engaged in at least a little piracy of their own, be it digital or otherwise. Just because James Cameron has millions of dollars, doesn't mean you've broken the law less by downloading Avatar. Or even buying your own copy, and lending it to a close friend who copies it for himself. That's also piracy, as someone else already pointed out. If you're gonna cast the stones, make sure you're without sin, people.

I'm not going to full on advocate pure piracy. That's stupid, and it doesn't work. But like I said, it's here. Not going anywhere. It's like complaining about the weather at this point. In all this threatening, the only thing that's happening is the alienation of customers. Already a few in this thread seem to be rethinking their support of Yaqi's clips. It just creates a climate of fear, doesn't solve a thing.

All too often, when you talk about piracy, the person being pirated just sees red. All they see is their content that they worked hard to produce, available for free. And I get that. I get that anger. Makes sense. But stop and think about the possible positive effects.

Hypothetical: you've got a guy posting Yaqi clips online. Do you suppose that this is person went to Yaqi's clip store, thought "I'm gonna buy this clip, solely to give it away to others for free! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" *twirls mustache evily*. Or do you suppose maybe this person is a member of our fetish community, who's bought a more than just one clip from Yaqi, who's bought clips from other producers? Now he posts the clip, and 30 people download it. A few of these people have never heard of Yaqi, and get into the studio, and buy a clip or two. Maybe they in turn post the clips they buy, which gets more people interested, creating more of a trickle down effect. Think about this effect, against a draconian reaction that simply results in the initial poster being scared into never buying a clip again at best, and the people who've never heard of the studio still never hearing of it.

Look, I'm not gonna sit here and say that the above is what happens every time a clip is posted. But it's a possible path. Just like you can't prove how much business you've lost because of piracy, you also can't prove if you've gained any. But that part gets dismissed in favour of the "you posted my stuff; NOW DIE" course of action. Just saying, it doesn't all have to be doom and gloom.
 
Do you suppose that this is person went to Yaqi's clip store, thought "I'm gonna buy this clip, solely to give it away to others for free! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" *twirls mustache evily*.

Actually, I can point you to several pirate forums where folks openly say those very words. They score brownie points with their pirate forum fellows and it makes them feel good. Like they are contributing. I once saw a member openly chew out another for "stealing" his hard stolen files and taking credit by reposting them without giving him credit for originally stealing them. Now that is ironic.
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This is a touchy subject for sure. And the amount of bickering and potential threats to dole out people's information, or the simple fact that people can find whom a person is that purchased something online is disheartening and I would assume hurt sales as a matter of fact from here out. I feel bad for people putting their hard earned time and money into making what everyone on this site enjoys, but some of the stances in this thread are concerning. It's almost as if some of the people here think this is a rare thing, but piracy is e v e r y w h e r e . Its nearly irreversible at this point with ANY digital media. How many people on here have gotten themselves or know someone who has downloaded a song they like for free? I'm betting almost 100%, and that's a major million dollar company who more often than not has very little power to stop them. Sure they tried a number of years back outting people and what not but it also caused public outrage. Seems like some of the people here are becoming what Metallica was to Napster a few years back, and all that did was make pirating more known and audacious than before.

Some people will based on principle never spend a dime on porn.

If you look on youtube, there are hundreds of tutorials posted by users promoting themselves with their FACES on how to steal full on thousand dollar programs by Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, ect.... how much actual free porn is readily available to anyone within a few clicks of a mouse redtube? comes to mind, and 99.9999% is someone's hard earned material that someone took and posted.

I'm not saying what is happening across the internet is correct, just putting things into perspective. Its the nature of modern digital media and there's little that can actually be done about it, especially when said piraters are located in other countries.
 
This theory is rubbish. They will just wait until more stolen clips are posted.

In the end, you all lose because the small guy who's content everyone "raves about" closes up shop because he can't break even thanks to piracy.

Now he posts the clip, and 30 people download it. A few of these people have never heard of Yaqi, and get into the studio, and buy a clip or two. Maybe they in turn post the clips they buy, which gets more people interested, creating more of a trickle down effect. Think about this effect, against a draconian reaction that simply results in the initial poster being scared into never buying a clip again at best, and the people who've never heard of the studio still never hearing of it.
 
How many clips are we talking about here? Like 1 or 2? or every vid Yaqi has ever made?
 
Hmm, Canadian and posts here on a regular basis. :hmm:

Has he responed to this thread yet?
How many more clues are we allowed before we have to guess?

Have you sent any fish yet Yaqi?
 
I completely why producers would be pissed off. Since they are not making millions off their stuff, and it is quite expensive to produce their clips, I would be pissed too. Posting personal information is risky though. That would open up a can of worms beyond belief.

However, I would say post their screen names. Shame those people on this forum in public. If this "long standing member" hasn't the deceny to respond to you, out them.
 
Hmm, Canadian and posts here on a regular basis. :hmm:

Has he responed to this thread yet?
How many more clues are we allowed before we have to guess?

Have you sent any fish yet Yaqi?

He's too big of a coward to post in this thread. I have procured a stockpile of dead fish so I am prepared.
 
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