Shaming TMF Members who Upload Copyrighted Clips in Public Forums

[yaqisworld]

UpDate: The Rat Mother F@cker Removes my clips

I just received the following PM from this loathsome TMF member

"I will remove your clips, out of respect for what you've done for this community and the fact that you did not post anybody's personal information."

No apologies, no indication that that he considers he did anything illegal or immoral.

But he goes on to punish me.

"As a return, because of such a threat, I will no longer buy clips from your site. This helps in such that if ever your clips get posted again, I will not be the perpetrator."

At least that is one small victory.

Now the question is should I make his screen name, info available to other producers so they can be on the watch for his shenanigans?

 

[daeryk]

Surprised you guys don't already share IPs/usernames of perps. I'd figure that would be sort of an unwritten rule of the trade.

Same here.

Though from what I've heard not all the producers get along, it's a niche market and competition is very fierce.

And some producers make clips that are just terrible.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

I just received the following PM from this loathsome TMF member

"I will remove your clips, out of respect for what you've done for this community and the fact that you did not post anybody's personal information."

No apologies, no indication that that he considers he did anything illegal or immoral.

But he goes on to punish me.

"As a return, because of such a threat, I will no longer buy clips from your site. This helps in such that if ever your clips get posted again, I will not be the perpetrator."

At least that is one small victory.

Now the question is should I make his screen name, info available to other producers so they can be on the watch for his shenanigans?

Glad to hear he's taking them down even though he's acting douchey about it.

As for sharing his info with other producers, you definitely should. If he's pirated your clips, then he probably will pirate other producers' clips as well. At least they'll be forewarned not to do business with him.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

If you producers really want to go after a website, then y'all need to go after Dailymotion.
There is so much copyrighted tickle clips on there. M/m, F/m,F/f, and M/f. I'll usually buy I clip I see off of there that I like. YouTube is usually good at taking copyrighted stuff off, but it is as if Dailymotion just doesn't give a damn. I feel so sorry for the producers when I see probably close to 300+ copyrighted tickle clips on there. I don't care if people on the forum hate me for pointing this out. I really do feel sorry for all the money producers probably lose due to Dailymotion.

 

[C4S_44000]

If you producers really want to go after a website, then y'all need to go after Dailymotion.
There is so much copyrighted tickle clips on there. M/m, F/m,F/f, and M/f. I'll usually buy I clip I see off of there that I like. YouTube is usually good at taking copyrighted stuff off, but it is as if Dailymotion just doesn't give a damn. I feel so sorry for the producers when I see probably close to 300+ copyrighted tickle clips on there. I don't care if people on the forum hate me for pointing this out. I really do feel sorry for all the money producers probably lose due to Dailymotion.

Yep, this one is one of the worst. I found one of my clips there within a matter of hours after it was purchased.

If you are a producer, you should be checking this site EVERY DAY, at least 2 times a day if possible. I made a copyright complaint to them and my clip was removed. However, the offending user is still active and there are numerous C4S tickling producer clips on his/her account page alone.

So, one more time......all other producers.......you need to look for your material on this site ASAP.

Take care,

The Fastest Fingers in The East

 

[Texas_Tickle]

Going after uploaders and filing DMCA reports with sites is near pointless.

Also it's pointless because they (the GOVT) only cares when a billion dollar studio or recording artist gets their stuff pirated


They don't give a damn about us, because we can't grease their palms with a few milion $$.

 

[cabalist]

Also it's pointless because they (the GOVT) only cares when a billion dollar studio or recording artist gets their stuff pirated


They don't give a damn about us, because we can't grease their palms with a few milion $$.

Probably true. However, even the largest companies have never been able to actually prove a loss of revenue attributable to file sharing, their legal maneuverings having more to do with their fears (and, of course, common greed) than any solid data they've ever been able to offer to prove this claim. And it might be understandable that, if anything, smaller companies might be at least as inclined to seek scapegoats for what they may perceive as lackluster sales.

 

[cabalist]

I can prove my revenue loss. Maybe because these videos are so much smaller than the larger companies that still make millions when they get pirated.

I have seen sales of my videos go from good and consistent for weeks and months, and then suddenly just stop, or drop to maybe 1 video a month, AND then if I look at the dates the drastic slow downs / stops occurred, and compare it to the date said video was illegally uploaded and shared it corresponds completely.

Still, the only real solution is to just not produce anymore. OR only produce extremely expensive custom videos for people on a private basis.

I have little doubt that you may be able to prove your revenue loss. That much is relatively easy. However, correlation (or what you call "correspondence") doesn't prove causation. How do you know the sales wouldn't have dropped when they did regardless of whether the files were shared? Assuming that sales of videos might normally decrease as time passes and they become "less new", perhaps most of those interested in buying the videos had already bought them by then, those who bought them then sharing them with those who didn't and wouldn't ever have considered them worth paying for? That's what neither you or any of the big companies have ever (dis)proven.

 

[cabalist]

I dunno, when video is selling 10 or 15 a month for 2-3 months, and then drops to 1 a month and then to zero, and the day the sales dropped is on or a few days close to the date it was uploaded for free... seems pretty coincidental to me. Most people wouldn't find any reasonable doubt as the what reason the sales fell was provided that info.

Whatever "most people" believe is irrelevant to what can be proven. "Most people" (or many, anyway) may believe what is lampooned in my signature picture. Does that prove it true? But you've said it yourself -- it is "coincidental" -- what causal relation, if any, is responsible for this "coincidence" remains unproven -- regardless of what you or "most people" may believe. Reality isn't subject to majority rule.

Note though, the main person who uploads mine (and all other popular producers) material illegally does not "buy" the videos. He uses fraudulent (stolen) CC info to purchase the clips, and then uploads them for free shortly after. Then a month or so later clips4sale gets a chargeback from the bank for those same clips once the person whos CC info he used sees the fraudulent sales made... so they arent buying clips - they steal them.

Fraudulent credit card purchases are a clear case of theft, and of course, if sufficiently provable/traceable are easily prosecutable (well, in theory, anyway). File sharing, while it's understandable that producers may dislike it, is a much less clear-cut issue. Although, again, it's understandable that it might be perceived as clear-cut to those, such as yourself, who may feel threatened by it, regardless of how reasonably.

 

[turtleboy]

Note though, the main person who uploads mine (and all other popular producers) material illegally does not "buy" the videos. He uses fraudulent (stolen) CC info to purchase the clips, and then uploads them for free shortly after. Then a month or so later clips4sale gets a chargeback from the bank for those same clips once the person whos CC info he used sees the fraudulent sales made... so they arent buying clips - they steal them.

This is absolutely true. The arrogant dick that mass-posts everybody's stuff does so with fraudulent/stolen credit card details, and that is why so many producers are suddenly getting chargebacks each month. It's great that on top of the piracy, we all get an extra $100 or so deducted from our sales due to the banks claiming the money back off his purchases! I can match the chargeback orders (usually if not always, from female card owners) to his posting of the same clips shortly afterwards

It's this kind of thing that really does put producers off bothering to carry on. It's piracy, fraud and theft in one go. I've always been able to turn a blind eye to piracy in general and have frequently been happy to give clips away for free, but now we're hit by our stuff getting posted for free on a massive scale, and then again by the chargebacks...all this = less sales and therefore less money to hire hot models and pay running costs the next month. No one wins in the end, including the people whose CC details he's stolen. The few who massage his ego and post begging requests on his blog ought to be aware of the consequences...and so should he since he'll be reading this thread too.

 

[Dave Pavet]

I think they should be tied, tickled and put on YouTube!