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Should Tickle Hell continue to post content on the TMF?

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As many forum members must be aware, our post last week in the video section resulted in some unpleasantness that led to the difficult decision to remove our content and suspend any future posting of free previews.

We listed our reasons in a response to "avethibaltus" (reprinted below), and thus far haven't really received the feedback that we had hoped for or expected. We'd like to ask for opinions here in the tickling discussion section, at Myriads request, and because so many TMF'ers have e-mailed us asking us to reconsider.

And we want to reiterate that we are open to any opinion based on the post below, whether you agree or disagree, either wholly or in part, or simply don't care.

Thanks to all for your time and consideration.

Posted by ~ avethibaltus
"I would like to ask if there is anyone here who honestly believes that the FM Concepts models are in most cases really ticklish? They seem to chance upon one every once in a while but cannot compare to the real tickling sites in this regard, despite the volume of clips that they produce(d). You do however often get a chance to assess the surgical skills of breast implantation specialists in the Los Angeles County area.

Our response:

The controversy is due to one simple thing: the viewer's perception. Many 'lers have a specific, preferred, stand-alone reaction that they feel has to be present in a genuine, "real" ticklish reaction. Or even a particular style of tickling that the 'ler in the video may not adhere to. And they dogmatically cling to that. If this is absent, they say it's a fake. What they don't take into account is that there are as many different ticklish reactions as there are 'lees. Any producer who has worked with the same model on different occasions, or anyone who's been fortunate enough to have a long-term partner for tickle play, knows this to be true. And the same 'lee may have a differing reaction due to their mood, time of day, or many other factors.

And if we have ten models in a title, and only two of those models exhibit the viewer's "genuine reaction", well, the other eight must be faking it. So someone didn't see their particular "genuine reaction" in some FM material and cried fake. Even more heartbreaking if it was a model that they found particularly appealing and had high expectations of the scene that just weren't met. Someone else, who may have even had a different trigger that they were looking for, but wasn't visible, joined in and so on and so on.

We regret that this thread has degenerated into a maelstrom of accusations and negativity. We certainly were aware of the reputation of our material in the community, but we didn't expect this when we had decided to offer free preview clips.

Any well-mannered, constructive criticism, suggestions, or even complaints, would've been welcome. Everyone is entitled their opinion about our material. But instead, we are faced with a post of "FM's stuff is all faked", and ridiculous, childish insults against our models and owner's in nearly every thread. Even if only coming from a very vocal minority. We haven't observed any other current producer providing preview clips to be subjected to this kind of blanket (and untrue, unfounded and, unfortunately, indefensible) treatment. This has created an unwelcome, and frankly, hostile environment for us here at the TMF.

So we have removed our content from this forum, and suspended any plans for any future preview updates. To those of you who did provide positive encouragement, whether in posts or by PM, sincere thanks to you all. And a special thank you to Myriads, who has always been courteous and proven himself to be someone of impeccable class in every experience that we've had with him. May you continue to prosper and thrive.
 
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Yes, I think you should. The TMF is supposed to be all inclusive, so everyone should feel free to post, comment, etc.

There are a lot of loudmouths of the negative variety, but that's humanity. My opinion is post away!
 
I would like to ask if there is anyone here who honestly believes that the FM Concepts models are in most cases really ticklish?

To be honest with you...then no.
It's not to be rude or anything to you, but I feel that the whole FM concept is "pretend to be ticklish, make money!". From when I was younger and hadn't experienced alot of real life tickling you fooled me with this concept, but today I feel like it's a big "Thank you for being so stupid and pay us" to all tickle fetishists. I seen alot of the videos and pictures and the only main focus are those über "oh look at me Im so fucking hot" girls in bondage with a fake grin and fake laugh all the way. Im not saying all girls ain't ticklish, but I would never spend a cent on FM concepts because of this. Im just not buying the fact that this is real. "Tickle Hell" is just a cover up to make people (who unfortantly think this is real stuff) grab theyre credic card.

Know this came out a bit harsh, but you asked for the peoples opinion. This is my opinion...
 
You should continue posting....

I only say this because if you want to continue in this business (any business), you are going to have to stomach good reviews and bad reviews. If people no longer want your product, your dip in sales will attest to that. You can't whine and cry foul because of someone's opinion of your product. You either improve it, or you say that you do not need improvements and keep doing what you are doing.

If people don't like TickleHell... then they won't download your previews and they won't by your product. The people who do like it, will....

You are free to film and post what you like, and we are free to love it or hate it and say our opinion of it.

Take it, make improvements (or not), or stop offering it.

Of course posting a debate about it, which draws more consumers to take a look at your product, is a pretty good marketing ploy. :goodjob: People will take a look at your stuff just to see what the fuss is all about!

FREE MARKET people! Buy it or not! He has a right to post it and you have a right to say it is great, or say that it sucks!

I'm not too familiar with your work, so I can't say what it is....

Good Luck
Sunny
:Kiss2:

MUNCH TOMORROW... WOOHOO!
 
To be honest with you...then no.
It's not to be rude or anything to you, but I feel that the whole FM concept is "pretend to be ticklish, make money!". From when I was younger and hadn't experienced alot of real life tickling you fooled me with this concept, but today I feel like it's a big "Thank you for being so stupid and pay us" to all tickle fetishists. I seen alot of the videos and pictures and the only main focus are those über "oh look at me Im so fucking hot" girls in bondage with a fake grin and fake laugh all the way. Im not saying all girls ain't ticklish, but I would never spend a cent on FM concepts because of this. Im just not buying the fact that this is real. "Tickle Hell" is just a cover up to make people (who unfortantly think this is real stuff) grab theyre credic card.

Know this came out a bit harsh, but you asked for the peoples opinion. This is my opinion...

This.
 
You should continue posting....

I only say this because if you want to continue in this business (any business), you are going to have to stomach good reviews and bad reviews. If people no longer want your product, your dip in sales will attest to that. You can't whine and cry foul because of someone's opinion of your product. You either improve it, or you say that you do not need improvements and keep doing what you are doing.

If people don't like TickleHell... then they won't download your previews and they won't by your product. The people who do like it, will....

You are free to film and post what you like, and we are free to love it or hate it and say our opinion of it.

Take it, make improvements (or not), or stop offering it.

Of course posting a debate about it, which draws more consumers to take a look at your product, is a pretty good marketing ploy. :goodjob: People will take a look at your stuff just to see what the fuss is all about!

FREE MARKET people! Buy it or not! He has a right to post it and you have a right to say it is great, or say that it sucks!

I'm not too familiar with your work, so I can't say what it is....

Good Luck
Sunny
:Kiss2:

MUNCH TOMORROW... WOOHOO!

This.
 
You should continue posting....

I only say this because if you want to continue in this business (any business), you are going to have to stomach good reviews and bad reviews. If people no longer want your product, your dip in sales will attest to that. You can't whine and cry foul because of someone's opinion of your product. You either improve it, or you say that you do not need improvements and keep doing what you are doing.

If people don't like TickleHell... then they won't download your previews and they won't by your product. The people who do like it, will....

You are free to film and post what you like, and we are free to love it or hate it and say our opinion of it.

Take it, make improvements (or not), or stop offering it.

Of course posting a debate about it, which draws more consumers to take a look at your product, is a pretty good marketing ploy. :goodjob: People will take a look at your stuff just to see what the fuss is all about!

FREE MARKET people! Buy it or not! He has a right to post it and you have a right to say it is great, or say that it sucks!

I'm not too familiar with your work, so I can't say what it is....

Good Luck
Sunny
:Kiss2:

MUNCH TOMORROW... WOOHOO!
🙂
This.
 
To be honest with you...then no.
It's not to be rude or anything to you, but I feel that the whole FM concept is "pretend to be ticklish, make money!". From when I was younger and hadn't experienced alot of real life tickling you fooled me with this concept, but today I feel like it's a big "Thank you for being so stupid and pay us" to all tickle fetishists. I seen alot of the videos and pictures and the only main focus are those über "oh look at me Im so fucking hot" girls in bondage with a fake grin and fake laugh all the way. Im not saying all girls ain't ticklish, but I would never spend a cent on FM concepts because of this. Im just not buying the fact that this is real. "Tickle Hell" is just a cover up to make people (who unfortantly think this is real stuff) grab theyre credic card.

Know this came out a bit harsh, but you asked for the peoples opinion. This is my opinion...

Thank you, but we'd be equally interested in your thoughts on our response.
 
.... you are going to have to stomach good reviews and bad reviews. You can't whine and cry foul because of someone's opinion of your product. You either improve it, or you say that you do not need improvements and keep doing what you are doing.

Thank you very much for your reply. But we don't have anything against a "bad review"...however, we tend to think "FM's stuff is all fake" (or whatever variant thereof is posted in nearly every thread we start), as not being an 'opinion'. It's a generic bias based on prejudice. It's also untrue.

Insults against our staff and models have nothing to do with videos being "faked"; but these comments are posted, and as indicated before, we've not seen this kind of behavior leveled against other producers who post preview clips on this board.

As for the "marketing ploy", as you stated above, Myriads encouraged us to start this thread in this section. If we'd been able to generate any responses in the video/audio clips section we would have left it there.

Any further thoughts, Sunny?
 
You don't participate here other than advertising, so what does it matter to you in the long run is what you need to ask yourself. This is the single largest group of ticklephiles on the net, so what better place to advertise? I'm more shocked that someone that has been making tickle fetish material for over a decade would be swayed and/or surprised by comment areas. You guys have been doing it long enough to know that more often then not, comments, almost exclusively the repeat negative ones, come from chicken shit users that have sock puppet accounts made specifically for trashing things they don't like. It's easy to click on their profile and looks at "posting history" and see if its just page after page of negative reviews. These are the same pathetic people in real life who like to observe situations and say to their buddies "booooy if I was there things would be different" when in reality, they wouldn't say a damn thing. Surprise, it's the internet! Home of the "hidden behind a screen potshot takers anonymous".

So the question is, would you rather limit your exposure and/or fan base that actually enjoys and buys your stuff by not advertising on the place where most of them frequent? On the other side of that coin is, if they are big fans, they are probably keeping up to date at your website anyway and if you have free clips posted there, it probably doesn't matter. So it really is up to you guys whether you choose to keep advertising here and picking up new fans from time to time, or want to pack up and fold to the negative comments of the army of fake accounts that do what I described above like clockwork.

As for honest opinions, I've owned a LOT of your work over the years. You're welcome. I'm never one to say whether anyone is ticklish or not in a vid, because as you have said, I've met people with a huge range of ticklish reactions from going buck wild to simple shivers and smiles so to each their own. But I will say as a PAYING customer going back over a decade I've been burned soooooo many more times than I've been blown away by your clips that contain models that I'd put into a category of "simply a model doing putting on their acting chops while waiting to get the big film break". Am I saying they are or not ticklish? Absolutely not. But as a customer most of the time that was how I felt and so did sooooo many other people over the years.

You are a fetish factory though that has always kept churning out the material regardless. So you deserve thanks for putting out lots of material in a time when there wasn't a lot. It's just now days people have gotten used to smaller producers who take more time picking who they work with versus lining up the pretty faces trying to break into modeling, respond to pm's from their viewership on the forum in which they promote their work, and take pride in working on their proficiencies and/or deficiencies. It shows in their work too. Have I seen videos I was disappointed in from every single producer? Sure, but it's been so much more overwhelmingly positive with their work, that I overlook small setbacks.

So there you go, as honest an opinion as I could ever give you. In my entire posting history here I've given about 5 comments on vids, and none were EVER negative, as I would pm a producer if I ever thought I needed to give constructive criticism, which I don't. To some it up:

1) Continue to advertise you wares if YOU want to here, and people, whether they leave good comments or not will still buy from here. Always remember, the number of lurkers here outweigh the active users and following that percentage, they probably also buy more material and whether vocal or not, or still members.
2) You'll get negative reactions regardless, because that's all some accounts here were made for unfortunately.
3) Don't be surprised by backlashes from people that feel burned, because while you have a few gems in your collection that are all time greats, almost everyone I've ever talked to regarding your company (I know a lot of people off forum), the feeling by all of them, and is my own, is that it has been overwhelmingly "blah" versus "satisfied".

Good luck to you.
 
You don't participate here other than advertising, so what does it matter to you in the long run is what you need to ask yourself. This is the single largest group of ticklephiles on the net, so what better place to advertise? I'm more shocked that someone that has been making tickle fetish material for over a decade would be swayed and/or surprised by comment areas. You guys have been doing it long enough to know that more often then not, comments, almost exclusively the repeat negative ones, come from chicken shit users that have sock puppet accounts made specifically for trashing things they don't like. It's easy to click on their profile and looks at "posting history" and see if its just page after page of negative reviews. These are the same pathetic people in real life who like to observe situations and say to their buddies "booooy if I was there things would be different" when in reality, they wouldn't say a damn thing. Surprise, it's the internet! Home of the "hidden behind a screen potshot takers anonymous".

So the question is, would you rather limit your exposure and/or fan base that actually enjoys and buys your stuff by not advertising on the place where most of them frequent? On the other side of that coin is, if they are big fans, they are probably keeping up to date at your website anyway and if you have free clips posted there, it probably doesn't matter. So it really is up to you guys whether you choose to keep advertising here and picking up new fans from time to time, or want to pack up and fold to the negative comments of the army of fake accounts that do what I described above like clockwork.

As for honest opinions, I've owned a LOT of your work over the years. You're welcome. I'm never one to say whether anyone is ticklish or not in a vid, because as you have said, I've met people with a huge range of ticklish reactions from going buck wild to simple shivers and smiles so to each their own. But I will say as a PAYING customer going back over a decade I've been burned soooooo many more times than I've been blown away by your clips that contain models that I'd put into a category of "simply a model doing putting on their acting chops while waiting to get the big film break". Am I saying they are or not ticklish? Absolutely not. But as a customer most of the time that was how I felt and so did sooooo many other people over the years.

You are a fetish factory though that has always kept churning out the material regardless. So you deserve thanks for putting out lots of material in a time when there wasn't a lot. It's just now days people have gotten used to smaller producers who take more time picking who they work with versus lining up the pretty faces trying to break into modeling, respond to pm's from their viewership on the forum in which they promote their work, and take pride in working on their proficiencies and/or deficiencies. It shows in their work too. Have I seen videos I was disappointed in from every single producer? Sure, but it's been so much more overwhelmingly positive with their work, that I overlook small setbacks.

So there you go, as honest an opinion as I could ever give you. In my entire posting history here I've given about 5 comments on vids, and none were EVER negative, as I would pm a producer if I ever thought I needed to give constructive criticism, which I don't. To some it up:

1) Continue to advertise you wares if YOU want to here, and people, whether they leave good comments or not will still buy from here. Always remember, the number of lurkers here outweigh the active users and following that percentage, they probably also buy more material and whether vocal or not, or still members.
2) You'll get negative reactions regardless, because that's all some accounts here were made for unfortunately.
3) Don't be surprised by backlashes from people that feel burned, because while you have a few gems in your collection that are all time greats, almost everyone I've ever talked to regarding your company (I know a lot of people off forum), the feeling by all of them, and is my own, is that it has been overwhelmingly "blah" versus "satisfied".

Good luck to you.

This, right here, pretty much says it all. Take a look thru other video review threads sometime. I promise you, you'll see certain names pop up in each one, bashing the product. Not only that, quite a few of them can be traced back all the way to the beginning of the forum. They live to trash what they can't do. In other words, those who can, do. Those who can't, become critics.

Truth is, you wouldn't have been around as long as you have if nobody liked your product. I myself own a lot of your material. Some I like, some not so much. Same goes for everyone who buys from you. If you really want to address the nay-sayers (though personally, I think most of their opinions aren't worth a handful of assflakes), then sift thru the bullshit "she's not ticklish, you didn't tie her tight enough, it's so fake" comments and find the real constructive criticism. Use that to improve your vids.

No producer is going to make clips that 100% of the people will like 100% of the time. As business people, I'm sure you understand that. But to no longer advertise on the single biggest website that contains your target audience would be just shooting yourself in the foot. I say just weather the people who sound like broken records with their half-assed critiques and concentrate on keeping the other 90% of decent folks around here.
 
I have to be honest in stating that I haven't cared for much of what I've seen of your work...on Tickle Hell or the many other stores under the FM Concepts umbrella. But then, I'm not that into videos to begin with. So, it takes a lot to impress me and (as with most here) I have my own specific and unique taste in what I want to see/not see. My dislike of what I've seen of your material is based mainly upon that, not any sense of things being real or not. Frankly, I don't like most of what's out there.

As to your response (since you specificly requested response to that as well), I have mixed feelings. On one side, I agree with you that there are many different reactions to being tickled. For ages, there has been plenty of nit picking about what is or isn't a valid response to being tickled. We've all had to deal with it to some extent. Can it be harsh and/or annoying? Sure it can. I wouldn't take it so personally. It's simply the nature of things. Your response came across as much as a plea for someone to defend you as anything else.

Should you continue posting free preview clips? That's entirely up to you. As has been mentioned, this is probably your largest market for promoting your TK material. So, it would be a shame to lose the business of those who do want your material in order to avoid negativity.

OTOH (and this applies to all store owners, not just you), I personally have little use for those who come to advertize but refuse to be involved in the community they look to for their livelyhood. It just doesn't set well with me.

There are currently 749 links to video stores in our directories...several of them yours. None of them is going to please everyone. Many (most) of them also have nothing to do with getting to know folks. So, you aren't alone in that regard...or perhaps I should say disregard? Personally, even if I liked the material of a company, I wouldn't support them by purchasing it unless they thought enough of their clients to do more than just advertize.

If I might make a suggestion.... You might consider actually getting to know folks. Get to know what they do/don't want to see. Perhaps you can adjust things accordingly. But, whether you do or not, I suspect you'd get more respect from us if you took time to get involved a bit. THere will always be those who do nothing but bash. Ignore it. But, don't ignore those who do have something constructive to offer.
 
Everyone here has said all that can be said. Fetish videos are no different than any other movie. I have seen great trailers for mainstream movies that turned out to be absolute crap. Same with some fetish videos. It is just the way these things go. I have a couple of your videos at home. Some of the gals were awesome, some were less than what I had hoped. I would encourage you to continue posting here.
 
YES

i have always loved your stuff. being a foot guy too--you have some of the hottest feet ever on your sight.
 
very well summed up....

You don't participate here other than advertising, so what does it matter to you in the long run is what you need to ask yourself. This is the single largest group of ticklephiles on the net, so what better place to advertise? I'm more shocked that someone that has been making tickle fetish material for over a decade would be swayed and/or surprised by comment areas. You guys have been doing it long enough to know that more often then not, comments, almost exclusively the repeat negative ones, come from chicken shit users that have sock puppet accounts made specifically for trashing things they don't like. It's easy to click on their profile and looks at "posting history" and see if its just page after page of negative reviews. These are the same pathetic people in real life who like to observe situations and say to their buddies "booooy if I was there things would be different" when in reality, they wouldn't say a damn thing. Surprise, it's the internet! Home of the "hidden behind a screen potshot takers anonymous".

So the question is, would you rather limit your exposure and/or fan base that actually enjoys and buys your stuff by not advertising on the place where most of them frequent? On the other side of that coin is, if they are big fans, they are probably keeping up to date at your website anyway and if you have free clips posted there, it probably doesn't matter. So it really is up to you guys whether you choose to keep advertising here and picking up new fans from time to time, or want to pack up and fold to the negative comments of the army of fake accounts that do what I described above like clockwork.

As for honest opinions, I've owned a LOT of your work over the years. You're welcome. I'm never one to say whether anyone is ticklish or not in a vid, because as you have said, I've met people with a huge range of ticklish reactions from going buck wild to simple shivers and smiles so to each their own. But I will say as a PAYING customer going back over a decade I've been burned soooooo many more times than I've been blown away by your clips that contain models that I'd put into a category of "simply a model doing putting on their acting chops while waiting to get the big film break". Am I saying they are or not ticklish? Absolutely not. But as a customer most of the time that was how I felt and so did sooooo many other people over the years.

You are a fetish factory though that has always kept churning out the material regardless. So you deserve thanks for putting out lots of material in a time when there wasn't a lot. It's just now days people have gotten used to smaller producers who take more time picking who they work with versus lining up the pretty faces trying to break into modeling, respond to pm's from their viewership on the forum in which they promote their work, and take pride in working on their proficiencies and/or deficiencies. It shows in their work too. Have I seen videos I was disappointed in from every single producer? Sure, but it's been so much more overwhelmingly positive with their work, that I overlook small setbacks.

So there you go, as honest an opinion as I could ever give you. In my entire posting history here I've given about 5 comments on vids, and none were EVER negative, as I would pm a producer if I ever thought I needed to give constructive criticism, which I don't. To some it up:

1) Continue to advertise you wares if YOU want to here, and people, whether they leave good comments or not will still buy from here. Always remember, the number of lurkers here outweigh the active users and following that percentage, they probably also buy more material and whether vocal or not, or still members.
2) You'll get negative reactions regardless, because that's all some accounts here were made for unfortunately.
3) Don't be surprised by backlashes from people that feel burned, because while you have a few gems in your collection that are all time greats, almost everyone I've ever talked to regarding your company (I know a lot of people off forum), the feeling by all of them, and is my own, is that it has been overwhelmingly "blah" versus "satisfied".

Good luck to you.

if a tickling vid company needs to ask that question here on whether they need to keep posting here, basically stopping advertisements of their tickling based product to this specific market , then they probably shouldn't post anymore on this forum, maybe stick to foot fetish where you do your better work at...best of luck
 
I have plenty of vids from you and many other producers, there was a time when I had no choice but to buy and hope that the product would be good.These days I don't buy without a preview,yeah I still get disappointed but I think that has to do with my expectations, hell when I was a kid just seeing a nice pair of feet in a magazine would satisfy me. But now with all the options and the easy access, producers have to raise the bar for customer satisfaction. I would like to see you continue posting sample clips but so far I've not been impressed with what you have to offer. As I said I have plenty of your work mostly from the 90's on video tape and overall I liked your product but these days it just doesn't work for me. But please keep trying! :cheesy:
 
Go with your gut. And then see how it looks down the road based on your gut decision. BTW, Good answers/replies/advice from everyone above 🙂
 
if your making decent money, then by all means, keep selling. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. and if someone doesn't like your material, they can just ignore your posts.
 
Yes.....and No. Well maybe.

I will try and be as clear as I can in this response. For years your company has put out both a tremendous amount of fetish material into the world and for that I thank you. But, the vast majority of those videos/pics, as far as the tickling content has been to say the least........underwhelming. On one hand you put some drop dead beautiful girls in your productions, on the other most of them are about as ticklish as a rock.

I have bought a significant amount of your movies over the years (Welcome to Tickle Hell, Darla Crane and others are hiding around my house somewhere...) and to be brutally honest most of them are pretty much terrible with a few gems here and there.

So in closing:

The answer is no if you continue to put out the same sub-par, watered down tickle videos with painfully non-ticklish models, even if they are smoking hot.

The answer is yes if you could maybe possibly listen to this wonderful community and evolve. If the response to your sample videos is generally negative outside the comments on how hot your models are there is a distinct possibility that your are alienating your core group of consumers.

That would be us.
 
As many forum members must be aware, our post last week in the video section resulted in some unpleasantness that led to the difficult decision to remove our content and suspend any future posting of free previews.


I'm not sure that I understand this correctly... One user out of more than 89,000 said something rude about your videos, so you're going to take your proverbial ball and go home? Worse yet, you're going to get all butt-hurt about it and post a thread to make sure that everyone notices that you've decided to take your ball and go home?

Although I take no issue with you doing whatever you please, I must say that, from a business standpoint, this seems like a very unwise decision. Your company manufactures tickling videos. You have a vast catalog of videos that you've already paid to produce, which are now just sitting in cyberspace waiting to be downloaded for $5-$10 apiece at minimal further expense to you, and you're going to deny yourself the ability to advertise and sell those videos (for free) on the internet's largest tickling fetish site because... What? One anonymous person said something mean to you? That makes absolutely no sense.

What makes even less sense is this thread. Your tone in the initial post seems to imply that you're doing the community some sort of service by advertising your videos with free preview clips. You're not. You're posting them, like any advertiser does, in an effort to increase the number of clips you sell. While there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, it still isn't exactly like you're just posting videos out of the goodness of your heart. In fact, the only charity involved would be on the part of Jeff, who graciously allows you (and other producers) to advertise here for free using his bandwidth and file storage space.

If you elect to continue posting, then great. But if not, then don't expect to be missed. There are plenty of other producers who see the value of advertising here, and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to have one less competitor for that coveted space on page one of the clips section.
 
Keep on posting.

I think a huge reason for tickling videos is because it's a chance for people who never get to have a "tickle experience" feel part of one, and fantasize about. It's not a real tickling experience for them, so who cares if the models are really all that ticklish or not, if they are great! If they just fake it well, that's fine too. I mean, they are adult videos after all, some of us enjoy seeing a enjoy it for more than that, the interaction between the ler and lee, the technique, and whatever... but really, people can still jack it to it.
 
I have to be honest in stating that I haven't cared for much of what I've seen of your work...on Tickle Hell or the many other stores under the FM Concepts umbrella. But then, I'm not that into videos to begin with. So, it takes a lot to impress me and (as with most here) I have my own specific and unique taste in what I want to see/not see. My dislike of what I've seen of your material is based mainly upon that, not any sense of things being real or not. Frankly, I don't like most of what's out there.

As to your response (since you specificly requested response to that as well), I have mixed feelings. On one side, I agree with you that there are many different reactions to being tickled. For ages, there has been plenty of nit picking about what is or isn't a valid response to being tickled. We've all had to deal with it to some extent. Can it be harsh and/or annoying? Sure it can. I wouldn't take it so personally. It's simply the nature of things. Your response came across as much as a plea for someone to defend you as anything else.

Should you continue posting free preview clips? That's entirely up to you. As has been mentioned, this is probably your largest market for promoting your TK material. So, it would be a shame to lose the business of those who do want your material in order to avoid negativity.

OTOH (and this applies to all store owners, not just you), I personally have little use for those who come to advertize but refuse to be involved in the community they look to for their livelyhood. It just doesn't set well with me.

There are currently 749 links to video stores in our directories...several of them yours. None of them is going to please everyone. Many (most) of them also have nothing to do with getting to know folks. So, you aren't alone in that regard...or perhaps I should say disregard? Personally, even if I liked the material of a company, I wouldn't support them by purchasing it unless they thought enough of their clients to do more than just advertize.

If I might make a suggestion.... You might consider actually getting to know folks. Get to know what they do/don't want to see. Perhaps you can adjust things accordingly. But, whether you do or not, I suspect you'd get more respect from us if you took time to get involved a bit. THere will always be those who do nothing but bash. Ignore it. But, don't ignore those who do have something constructive to offer.


"Frankly, I don't like most of what's out there."
"None of them is going to please everyone."

We understand that every producer who offers previews is putting their stuff "out there". We also understand that not everyone is going to like what we offer...and we don't expect them too. We've seen everyone else's work that's posted here. There are only two producer's whose clips we even look at anymore. And only one of those that we feel is passionate about their material, continually delivers the goods and makes effort to improve. That's just our opinion.

"Your response came across as much as a plea for someone to defend you as anything else."

Defend? No, but at least address the issue. Even if they think our reasoning is full of holes.

"But, don't ignore those who do have something constructive to offer."

We don't. Everyone knows that there is one individual who has been FM's most vocal and prolific critic. many times he goes completely off the rails. But when he's managed to remain on topic, he has provided the best expressed, most specific, legitimate criticisms and observations that we've seen. We have paid attention and actually tried to make certain changes based on what he's said.

"OTOH (and this applies to all store owners, not just you), I personally have little use for those who come to advertize but refuse to be involved in the community they look to for their livelyhood. It just doesn't set well with me."

This is a very interesting point. But a quick scan of the first few pages in discussion shows only a handful of producer's initiating threads, and many of those are even started in reference to their product. So thanks for being all-inclusive. But the TMF is a big place, and we haven't seen every page. We certainly don't mean to imply that any other producers are here just to advertise.

"If I might make a suggestion.... You might consider actually getting to know folks. Get to know what they do/don't want to see."

Difficult to get to know folks when we feel so unwelcome. And if we could get posts that contained helpful suggestions and criticisms, well, we wouldn't need this post.

Thanks very much for your response. We do appreciate you sharing your opinion.
 
I personally don't think that your decision to create this thread was a terribly good idea....but here's the only feedback that I can think to give you at this moment.

Ask yourselves at Tickle Hell the following questions, and reflect:

Why do you make your videos?

Is it for the love of this fetish?


--Feedback is all part of presenting a product. Be prepared for positive....be prepared for negative. You all have been in business long enough; you should understand these intricacies.

--If you're making videos just to make a couple extra grand per month, then, I'm really not sure what to tell ya. :shrug:

I'm just still trying to understand why your creation of a *Pity Thread* was necessary.
If you're creating your content for the love of this fetish, shake off the negative feedback, and use that as fuel to create better content.

Either way, I wish you nothing but the best.

:toast:

Rook's Media
 
I'm not sure that I understand this correctly... One user out of more than 89,000 said something rude about your videos, so you're going to take your proverbial ball and go home? Worse yet, you're going to get all butt-hurt about it and post a thread to make sure that everyone notices that you've decided to take your ball and go home?

Although I take no issue with you doing whatever you please, I must say that, from a business standpoint, this seems like a very unwise decision. Your company manufactures tickling videos. You have a vast catalog of videos that you've already paid to produce, which are now just sitting in cyberspace waiting to be downloaded for $5-$10 apiece at minimal further expense to you, and you're going to deny yourself the ability to advertise and sell those videos (for free) on the internet's largest tickling fetish site because... What? One anonymous person said something mean to you? That makes absolutely no sense.

What makes even less sense is this thread. Your tone in the initial post seems to imply that you're doing the community some sort of service by advertising your videos with free preview clips. You're not. You're posting them, like any advertiser does, in an effort to increase the number of clips you sell. While there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, it still isn't exactly like you're just posting videos out of the goodness of your heart. In fact, the only charity involved would be on the part of Jeff, who graciously allows you (and other producers) to advertise here for free using his bandwidth and file storage space.

If you elect to continue posting, then great. But if not, then don't expect to be missed. There are plenty of other producers who see the value of advertising here, and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to have one less competitor for that coveted space on page one of the clips section.

Very well stated, sir. But to clarify, the issue has been much more involved than, "One user out of more than 89,000 said something rude about your videos, so you're going to take your proverbial ball and go home?" It's also got more to do with just that one post.

"Your tone in the initial post seems to imply that you're doing the community some sort of service by advertising your videos with free preview clips."

We sincerely apologise if it sounded like that. It's certainly not the way we feel, but it is impossible to inject whatever inflection might've been intended with the written word. And, on a personal note, being that close to the circumstances I may have ben a little defensive at the time. Again, my apologies.

As for the general remarks in the rest of your post, perfectly logical if we were only here to pimp our stuff. This seems to be a point of differing opinions here...we've been told (to paraphrase in general), "Just post your stuff and stop crying", or "Be involved more with the community and you'll be better received". We appreciate the different opinions and both give us more to reflect on.

Thanks for responding, asutickler.
 
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