Some of you *must* be geniuses...

[BigNorm]

well said Norm.

was i confusing? my mind got jumbled half-way through. but i hope my point was said.

 

[F.L. Atlanta 10]

was i confusing? my mind got jumbled half-way through. but i hope my point was said.

Nope and it was well said.

 

[nessonite1]

That's a bit pessimistic, Normie LOL

Basically is isn't WHAT you know, it's how well you can find what you need to know. That is what intelligence is and that is what IQ measures. It certainly does have an application in the real world but it requires other things (motivation, common sense, and a level of social skills) to really make it work for you.
There are plenty of flaming morons who are highly succesful due to their ability to climb the right ladders, kiss the right asses, and keep themselves motivated. Likewise there are really brilliant people who haven't achieved traditional success (though that doesnt mean they're necessarily unhappy) because they lack the drive. Ever seen "Good Will Hunting"?
I know people from both of these categories. it's the people who have the intelligence AND the other abilities who really make things happen.

 

[BigNorm]

Nope and it was well said.

why thank you. all that proccessing power went into that post. now my brain's jeelo and perfect consistency to stumble into the official tickling thread.

 

[F.L. Atlanta 10]

lol and you're welcome.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

it's the people who have the intelligence AND the other abilities who really make things happen.

And, in a roundabout way, that is what I was saying. So thankfully, we're on the same page.

My concern is people putting an I.Q score above and before common sense, sophistication, and personality and shaping it up to be the be-all-end-all of evaluations and standards. One thing is answering correctly in a test. It is quite another however to apply it in the real world and succeed because of it.

People can brag all they want about how smart they are, but if they aren't doing anything to make use of it then they're just smelling their own farts.

People who brag about their I.Q are seen as pretensious by others because they're using the score for status or some sense of validation but may just be squandering the rest away.

Are you really all that smart to be bragging about what a test concluded about you to begin with? It's just a test and putting any ammount of self-worth into what a test concludes about you can be a very unhealthy thing. Because then its about how people percieve you, rather than how you percieve yourself, and, in some way, you make the results of the test the sum of your intellectual worth.

 

[Betchass1]

Perhaps I should clarify. When I said IQ tests didn't measure intelligence, I meant that it was sorely lacking in measuring the whole picture, something Ness quickly picked up on. There's seven different fields of intelligence but only one is actively being tested.

Secondly, Betchass, I did not say that the people making the IQ tests were doing it for bragging rights, as you seemed to imply from the physicist, astronomer and whatnot example. Rather, the people taking the tests are the ones that are looking for bragging rights. It's the new penis size; 'Oh yeah? Well I got an IQ of 130.' 'Big deal, mine's 145.' The sheer number of conversations I hear like this on campus is both appalling and mind-numbing.

I've read of different suggestions for what kinds of intelligence there are. Last I heard it was in dispute. I mean, if you are talking about how the brain does certain things, and you want to determine if two tasks are really two different embodiments of the same technique, you kind of have to look at how the brain actually works, and that requires all sorts of research and probably very specialized education.

People who brag like that are in for a nasty surprise. The majority of people are like you, they despise hearing about it. You should feel sorry for those guys, they will make a lot of enemies before they figure it out.

I guess going to an art school has spared me those kinds of conversations; on the other hand, I wouldn't mind being around some of those guys sometimes.
I've noticed that often people with above-average IQs are used to being the "smartest" person around, and start to assume they always are. Self-defeating. It's like their moms praise them too much.

 

[Betchass1]

And, in a roundabout way, that is what I was saying. So thankfully, we're on the same page.

My concern is people putting an I.Q score above and before common sense, sophistication, and personality and shaping it up to be the be-all-end-all of evaluations and standards. One thing is answering correctly in a test. It is quite another however to apply it in the real world and succeed because of it.

People can brag all they want about how smart they are, but if they aren't doing anything to make use of it then they're just smelling their own farts.

People who brag about their I.Q are seen as pretensious by others because they're using the score for status or some sense of validation but may just be squandering the rest away.

Are you really all that smart to be bragging about what a test concluded about you to begin with? It's just a test and putting any ammount of self-worth into what a test concludes about you can be a very unhealthy thing. Because then its about how people percieve you, rather than how you percieve yourself.

I know very very few people who use IQ scales as any sort of measurement of people or brag about their scores. They are the minority. The majority say it means nothing and lash out at anyone who looks into it without making up their mind first, let alone anyone who tries to suggest it means something.
I think it's ludicrous to suggest that sort of intelligence has no real-world value. Ever read a map? Build a building? Ever use a CD player or a telephone or an automobile? Navigate a ship across an ocean by the stars? The kind of intelligence measured by IQ tests is a big factor in doing or creating all those things. It's sad that American society demeans the kind of people who do those things while lavishing praise on football players and lipsyncing rock stars.

 

[nessonite1]

I think the IQ as a status thing is something most people are pretty much over now. Having a high IQ indicates someone who is very intelligent, but someone who uses that as their only claim to fame really isn't getting the point of it.
It's not a measurement anyone should use when judging their worth, but it isnt to be discounted entirely either.
My own worth comes not only from intelligence but from creativity skill, and eagerness to please. What I lack is the drive to put it all together and make something come of it.

 

[Betchass1]

but the basis of this thread is what Vlad said, but geniouses are different from intellegence as Ness puts it. take the most famous genious, Albert Einstein.

he had a 200+ IQ, and he could be called a nerd. i mean he had little, if any common sense. he required help doing the most little tasks, tying his shoes, little stuff like that shich comes natural to most people. he wasn't very well off socially wise. he spent his time doing his famous work in physics. he could be considered a nerd, but he wasn't un-intelligent because he of personality or social means. everyone wants to be a genious, but it sucks. sure you can be famous and solve lotsa problems, but:

1. you can't play games, they aren't entertaining since you can solve them in a n instant.

2. you have no common sense and can't do the most basic of tasks.

3. you have no social life, will never marry or have friends, and will most likely die a virgin.

The side of Einstein no one talks about is how he was instrumental in starting the United Nations, in an effort to make sure the atomic bomb would never be used again.
http://www.pugwash.org/about/manifesto.htm
Or how he championed anti-lynching laws.
http://www.einsteinonrace.com/
Check out this writing:
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/einsteinsethics/einstein-thenegroquestion.shtml

Doesn't read like a bumbling absent-minded fool to me. Lots of Jewish intellectuals ended up in America around the same time, fleeing Europe (Arnold Schoenberg, Theodor Adorno, Bela Bartok), and many of them never fit into American society, thinking it was shallow and capitalistic. Perhaps that culture shock is part of why people make Einstein out to have been a total fool. He could be absent-minded, the way most of us can when we have something else on our minds, but he was not a moron.

Look up "einstein quotes" on Google some time, and take a half hour to read over the results. He was a sharp cracker.

 

[Dude'sonfire]

Finally, I too can now claim to have started a ridiculously long thread! ... Do I get a prize?

Ahhh... Good times.

And I guess putting the word 'Geniuses' in the thread title did kind of provoke the I.Q. etc 'what is intelligence' debate, as slightly off-topic as it may be.

But seriously, the point of all this is, is that some of you guys, if you haven't done so already, should do some research and get an academic paper published or something, because a lot of you have got the skills required in abundance; some of the posts on this thread brings the point home all the clearer.

Also, here's a weird conundrum...

If a guy gets a 90 or so on his I.Q. test, but reads a few computer hacking manuals, finds a website with the marking scheme, get's into the institution's database, and changes the result for himself, does he technically deserve the higher grade?

lol.

:happy: *sigh*...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I know very very few people who use IQ scales as any sort of measurement of people or brag about their scores. They are the minority. The majority say it means nothing and lash out at anyone who looks into it without making up their mind first, let alone anyone who tries to suggest it means something.
I think it's ludicrous to suggest that sort of intelligence has no real-world value. Ever read a map? Build a building? Ever use a CD player or a telephone or an automobile? Navigate a ship across an ocean by the stars? The kind of intelligence measured by IQ tests is a big factor in doing or creating all those things. It's sad that American society demeans the kind of people who do those things while lavishing praise on football players and lipsyncing rock stars.

I'm not saying the intelligence that can be concluded through a test has no real world value (intelligence itself was never in question), I'm saying the test itself doesn't and itself is not necessary in the greater scheme of the real world.

One could learn to do all those things without taking the I.Q test. One doesn't need a test to validate for them their intellectual prowess.

That is what I am saying.

As for jocks and pop icons being rewarded just because, I'm indifferent toward the subject. They are doing what they are doing and it works for them.

Being smart is not a spectacle the way sports and music are, its a matter of being more well off intellectually than other people, and not needing recognition (ie- an I.Q test) for it.

The only practical necessity of the test is for entry into businesses, careers, or other such foundations that require the test to use as some sort of a screening process.

Even then there is some flawed logic in using the I.Q results to make decisions.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Finally, I too can now claim to have started a ridiculously long thread! ... Do I get a prize?

Ahhh... Good times.

And I guess putting the word 'Geniuses' in the thread title did kind of provoke the I.Q. etc 'what is intelligence' debate, as slightly off-topic as it may be.

But seriously, the point of all this is, is that some of you guys, if you haven't done so already, should do some research and get an academic paper published or something, because a lot of you have got the skills required in abundance; some of the posts on this thread brings the point home all the clearer.

Also, here's a weird conundrum...

If a guy gets a 90 or so on his I.Q. test, but reads a few computer hacking manuals, finds a website with the marking scheme, get's into the institution's database, and changes the result for himself, does he technically deserve the higher grade?

lol.

:happy: *sigh*...

Your prize. *gives him a cookie*

What kind of publication would you have me produce?

As for your conundrum, I think it would depend on how thorough the job was. He may be doing something deceitful and wrong, yet he himself has displayed enough intelligence to carry this out and make it work. If he doesn't get a higher grade, he should definitely be given more credit than what he was ranked as. Just because he dared to do something like this does not make him stupid.

The fact he learned all of this from books doesn't matter, his individual cunning was just as much a factor and possibly deserves some kudos.

To commit to learning all of that just to achieve this one end is rather spiteful, but note worthy.

 

[Hungarian21]

a good one, I presume...😛

 

[Dude'sonfire]

Um...

I guess, from having read many of your posts (keep in mind while reading this that I am aware that I don't actually know you very well at all lol, and hence, I may make some false assumptions, so please don't be offended if I do) that you could write a paper on the relevance of religious faith in modern times; a deconstructive essay on a particular and established moral or ethical doctrine (something you seem to be particularly good at); a dissertation on Star Wars ship design 😛; or just a Plato-style series of writings that lay out a logical procedure and effective manner for debating or arguing a point.

lol, what you think?

 

[Hungarian21]

Presuming that question was not directed at me but at Vlad, I'll simply say this: WTF does that mean?! XD

 

[Dude'sonfire]

lol yes it was directed at Vlad.

As for your question, which part? lol 😛

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Um...

I guess, from having read many of your posts (keep in mind while reading this that I am aware that I don't actually know you very well at all lol, and hence, I may make some false assumptions, so please don't be offended if I do) that you could write a paper on the relevance of religious faith in modern times; a deconstructive essay on a particular and established moral or ethical doctrine (something you seem to be particularly good at); a dissertation on Star Wars ship design 😛; or just a Plato-style series of writings that lay out a logical procedure and effective manner for debating or arguing a point.

lol, what you think?

I figured you'd say that before I asked you, which means I was expecting to hear something like that which translates into- I'm not offended in the least bit so don't worry about it. 😛

I also editted my post to answer your conundrum.

 

[Dude'sonfire]

To commit to learning all of that just to achieve this one end is rather spiteful, but note worthy.

Haha, now THAT is Genius. :happy:

 

[Hungarian21]

lol yes it was directed at Vlad.

As for your question, which part? lol 😛

oh, just the entire thing...:tounge: Nooo need to xplain, I wouldnt understand. 😛

 

[Dude'sonfire]

*takes out peice of chalk* WELL, you see...

lol

You mean someone READS what we write here?! :wooha: You aren't a cop are you? 😛

Oh and Hungarian, I did not properly acknowledge at first how funny this post was. Bravo lol.

Seems like a long time ago that was posted...

 

[Hungarian21]

Oh and Hungarian, I did not properly acknowledge at first how funny this post was. Bravo lol.

Seems like a long time ago that was posted...

LOL! XD Thank you, I did feel like that was a bit ignored. 😀

 

[Dude'sonfire]

Although, I personally would have preffered a different emoticon at the end:

You mean someone actually READS what we write here?! :wooha: You aren't a cop are you? :weird:

But, alas, this was not to be... :happy:

 

[Hungarian21]

Not knowing what an emoticon is, took me a while that you meant the smilies....😛

 

[Betchass1]

Your prize. *gives him a cookie*

What kind of publication would you have me produce?

As for your conundrum, I think it would depend on how thorough the job was. He may be doing something deceitful and wrong, yet he himself has displayed enough intelligence to carry this out and make it work. If he doesn't get a higher grade, he should definitely be given more credit than what he was ranked as. Just because he dared to do something like this does not make him stupid.

The fact he learned all of this from books doesn't matter, his individual cunning was just as much a factor and possibly deserves some kudos.

To commit to learning all of that just to achieve this one end is rather spiteful, but note worthy.

His cheating and breaking the law to boost his chances does not mean he is more intelligent, but it definitely means he is suited for real-world success, and any employer would jump at the chance to hire him.