Speculation on the third Batman movie....

[mabus]

SPOILERS AHEAD....................

This is the speculation on the plot and new villain or villains in the third Batman movie thread...which you KNOW is happening, since The Dark Knight left itself open for a continuation. And since it has already grossed $300 million dollars, and Hollywood thinks in terms of money......

Chris Nolan said he wrote the Joker out of the third movie after Heath Ledger died...which makes me think he had originally written him INTO it......
All the rumors I heard before The Dark Knight opened up was that this movie would introduce Two-Face, and he would be the main villain in the third film....yet everyone claims he died at the end of The Dark Knight....he fell down, but it wasn't clear to me whether he was dead, or just knocked out...

What actor could replace Heath Ledger as the Joker if he would maker a return, as he claimed at the end that he and Batman would fight forever?
My money would be on Johnny Depp, since he IS replacing him already in Terry Gilliam's movie The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, and he has somewhat the same facial shape as Heath. And the acting chops to pull it off. It's funny how, when Ledger was named for the role, the internet nerds were in an uproar. Then they did a 180 and went gaga for him after the trailers started coming out. The people that were in the running, or were fan favorites before him, like Paul Bettany, who ironically starred in Knights Tale with Heath Ledger, Crispin Glover, who's got the look, but is getting older and is...strange. Like, I don't know if that would transfer to the screen well, there's a difference between a damn good actor putting they're all into a role by acting strange for the part, and someone's who just strange.

Accordng to Mike Evans, the Hollywood radio gossip reporter, Chris Nolan has asked Angelina Jolie to play Catwoman.....I can see that. After Batman Begins, I had total faith in Nolan, and trusted he could pull off a Heath Ledger Joker, and I was right. Jolie certainly has the looks of a kick-ass Catwoman, though Michelle Pfeiffer sure pulled it off for Tim Burton. Jolie has the acting chops, the beauty, the recognition with all her philanthropy, obviously her marriage to Bradd Pitt adds to her fame, and almost all of her recent movies were stunt heavy which is required for that role.....I"m thinking it's a good choice. (I never saw Halle Berry's Catwoman movie, I hear it sucked by all who saw it.)

 

[chicago]

1. Two-Face definitely didn't die. How many movies do you have to watch to know that if death is insinuated, but not explicitly shown, the character is most likely going to come back? It happens all the time.

2. I would be surprised if Johnny Depp didn't get picked to be joker, then again, I'm usually surprised.

3. I can see Angelina Jolie as Catwoman, but that character has been so tainted for me by Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry that I would be hesitant to see a movie with her in it.

4. I really hope they do something with Batgirl in the future.

 

[slacker2114]

I suck at picking actors for roles, but I'll make my predictions for villains...

Catwoman is a definite, I think. With Rachel killes in TDK, they need a new "love interest", such as they are in this series. And who better than Catwoman?

I believe the Riddler would be a good choice for another villain. He's well known and he's also very misused. He was always portrayed as some demented quizmaster. In the books, he was shown for the psychotic that he truly is. Can't recall what issue it happened in, but Riddler once left a baby laying on the road with a ping-pong ball stuck in it's throat and gave Batman the choice: catch me and let the baby die or save the baby and let me go. THAT is the workings of a true psychotic mind.

Also, I think "Tiny" Lister will be getting built up for another role. Maybe more build-up in 3 and making his move in 4. He would probably make a decent Bane, but they need to wait until 4, as I feel 3 is too soon for Bane. And if you don't know who Lister is, think of the ferry boat with all the criminals on it. You'll figure out who he is.

 

[Capnmad]

I've thought about this as well. Johnny Depp's a maybe for replacing, if they needed to. He's got the all-important skill. But I wouldn't want someone so well-known as Johnny in that role, frankly.

In terms of facial structure, though, the most similar looking guy in Hollywood these days is Joseph Gordon Levitt. Don't know his acting chops -- if he's got the range to pull it off. I hear he is playing at least one major villain, soon though: Cobra Commander in the "G.I.Joe" flick.

I'd be rather disappointed if there wasn't at least a passing shot of the Joker in Arkham Asylum. You could at least do something convincing with unused footage, I'm sure.

Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin I could see -- when they need a Penguin. But knowing how Chris Nolan's mind works, he wants very much to do the Riddler sometime. Anticipate "Saw"-like puzzles. Then it gets really dark.

Jolie as Catwoman? Sure. Why not? Wouldn't be too concerned or care too much one way or the other, either. Pitof's piece of trash movie set a low bar that anyone can shoot over.

Batgirl won't be featured, simply because Barbara Gordon's too young. In "The Dark Knight", she was only seen in shadow huddled with brother Jimmy and their mom in the warehouse where Joker killed Rachel Dawes. The most they might do is a nod to the fans and have her cameo again, dressed up like Batman for Halloween or something.

And I believe in Harvey Dent... ...he's not dead.

 

[mabus]

The Joker did get a full treatment in the movie, but Harvey Dent has this huge buildup, then is really short changed as Two-face, even though being short changed in a Nolan movie is a fully developed character in any other movie....
I love how there's NO cameos in this movie. The cameos all have purpose, and aren't just standing there like in most movie....or like Stan Lee's many cameos. Even though his Hefner cameo in Iron Man was my favorite, it's still just a cameo. Compare that to Senator Patrick Lahey's "cameo" in The Dark Knight, where he has about 4 seconds on screen, and all 4 seconds is intense and captivating.....Even Listers performance, with his distinctive tatoos, even if he was only meant for this movie, he's not just a throw away character, you see the tatoos, you think "Maybe he'll play a bigger role later on...." Of course, Mr. Zzazz was in the first movie, he could return. I've heard much talk of the Riddler, and since he could be portrayed very realistically, he's right up Nolan's alley. There will be no Robin, since Nolan and Bale are both very negative about that character.

 

[Brock Samson]

With TwoFace dead, and yes he is dead, I would say Catwoman or The Riddler, maybe even both. Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, and most of the other villians probably couldn't be portrayed as dark as they would need to be in this style of movie.

 

[Sandrock74]

I say that Two-Face and the Joker are going to be hidden away in Arkham Asylum. Obviously, only a bare minimum of people would be in the know about Two-Face still being around as per the end of The Dark Knight suggests.

I'm all for Catwoman! One thing thou, I am burned out on Angelina Jolie. Lets get someone different. It doesn't matter to me if its someone already established (like....uh.....let's say Kate Beckinsale) or someone brand new. Just no Jolie.

Personally, I would love to see Batgirl! That's really just due to my longtime fanboy crush on Barbara Gordon. By the way, what was with Commissioner Gordon's wife being named Barbara?? Did anyone else happen to catch that?

As for any other villains, I would love to see Mr. Freeze since he's always been a fave of mine. Or maybe somebody "new" to the movies, like the Man-Bat. With modern effects, they could sure do him right!

 

[Tiger.Lily]

I've heard from various comic book websites (don't judge me!) that originally they were going to do a sort of Hannibal Lector scene where Joker was in jail and Batman was going to him to get information about another villain. But since that obviously can't happen, they're saying that they might replace Joker with the Riddler.

Riddler could be totally badass if done right.

Angelina Jolie is getting too damned old looking to be a young, sexy Catwoman. Sorry, fanboys.

 

[chicago]

Personally, I would love to see Batgirl! That's really just due to my longtime fanboy crush on Barbara Gordon. By the way, what was with Commissioner Gordon's wife being named Barbara?? Did anyone else happen to catch that?

I did catch that! Which is why it put a little seed in my brain that perhaps something might happen with that sooner than later, but it's just wishful thinking on my part because I love batgirl. 🙂

 

[dvnc]

Do remember, folks, that this round of the bat has it WIDE open. There's any number of paths to follow. It's gonna go quicker than the books, though, as a) drawing stuff out BORES the filmgoer, and b) reality never has villains of such recursion.

I, too, noted that Gordon referred to his wife as Barbara. Many people name their babies with their own names, so it could still be the kid is a future Batgirl.

Let's keep in view that the structure is following a little closer to what's real. Freeze is beyond the current structure of that film set's "reality", IMHO. I don't see a Robin character, nor Nightwing, anytime soon. Even if, it'd be radically different. This Wayne's not wired to care for a damned thing in any really personal way.

If there WAS such a Robin, let's remember that The Dark Knight's structure had that character as female. Different dynamic, and could be interesting. Batman clearly didn't dig the wannabe boys. Perhaps he'll caretake the damaged young women and teach THEM when they won't just stop fighting.

Would make Catwoman romance an easy subplot. Would make future jealousies boil, when he caretakes some Batgirl or female Robin.

Nolan's gonna tell a story, though. He's bent the entirety of the story, and it still blazes. He'll bend more, and it'll work for HIS iteration of Batman.

 

[Superman]

I read somewhere that Bale said he will continue to do these movies as long as they don not introduce Robin.
The villian I'd like to see, with today's special effects and all, is Clay Face. No idea who to play him, and not even sure it would matter than much.
I hope they just leave the Joker alone now. Maybe a quick shot in Arkham with unused footage or something like someone else suggested. Kind of like the Scarecrow in this movie for a like 2 minutes. I liked that. That guy is more creepy to me without the mask!

 

[baldadonis]

I remember reading an interview where Christian Bale said he would quit the series if they ever introduced Robin. It also seems to be inconsistent with the focus of this series which has been much more on the psychological development of Bruce Wayne/Batman and how the antagonists affect him. I don't see Robin really fitting in.

Annie, I'd be really stunned if Two-Face wasn't dead. Yes, other movies and notably 24 has pulled the if you didn't see them dead trick, but Nolan has been going for as much reality as is possible in a Batman movie and I don't see him making such a cheesy choice.

With the death of Rachel in this film, the third movie would seem a natural time to introduce Catwoman as a villain. In the hierarchy of Batman villains, she probably comes right after Joker anyway.

 

[Dr. Vollin]

I suck at picking actors for roles, but I'll make my predictions for villains...

Catwoman is a definite, I think. With Rachel killes in TDK, they need a new "love interest", such as they are in this series. And who better than Catwoman?

I believe the Riddler would be a good choice for another villain. He's well known and he's also very misused. He was always portrayed as some demented quizmaster. In the books, he was shown for the psychotic that he truly is. Can't recall what issue it happened in, but Riddler once left a baby laying on the road with a ping-pong ball stuck in it's throat and gave Batman the choice: catch me and let the baby die or save the baby and let me go. THAT is the workings of a true psychotic mind.

Also, I think "Tiny" Lister will be getting built up for another role. Maybe more build-up in 3 and making his move in 4. He would probably make a decent Bane, but they need to wait until 4, as I feel 3 is too soon for Bane. And if you don't know who Lister is, think of the ferry boat with all the criminals on it. You'll figure out who he is.

I read that issue with the Riddler, too; the scene with the baby was pretty twisted, but he wasn't his usual self then. If I remember correctly, Riddler was possessed by a demon when he did it.

Also, I think a future appearance by Bane would be interesting but not in the third movie; maybe he could make a short appearance.

As far as other villains, what about somebody less well known like Black Mask?

 

[Sandrock74]

I did catch that! Which is why it put a little seed in my brain that perhaps something might happen with that sooner than later, but it's just wishful thinking on my part because I love batgirl. 🙂

Believe me Annie, NO ONE on these forums loves Batgirl as much as I love Batgirl!

Geez, that does sound really seedy, doesn't it? LOL

 

[Strider]

Whatever happens with Two-Face, I really can't imagine the Joker being recast. There may be some sort of passing reference to his present state, but that's about it.

If they decide to go with Catwoman, they'd really need to stay close to the Year One story with her starting out as a streetwalker who ends up becoming Catwoman to protect the other girls (the whole wealthy heiress trying to protect endangered species of cats thing ain't gonna fly in Nolan's world). That being said, I don't see Jolie in that role. You need someone rougher edged and less naturally glamorous. Though I have no idea who I'd like to see.

The Penguin seems like he'd mesh pretty easily. His role in the comics of being a power-broker who mediates between the mob and the freak criminals could translate directly. Plus I just want to see Hoffman play the role.

I wouldn't mind seeing Robin, but the concept would be difficult to pull off. Nobody's going to buy the idea of Batman taking a 16 year old with him into combat.

 

[Sandrock74]

Whatever happens with Two-Face, I really can't imagine the Joker being recast. There may be some sort of passing reference to his present state, but that's about it.

If they decide to go with Catwoman, they'd really need to stay close to the Year One story with her starting out as a streetwalker who ends up becoming Catwoman to protect the other girls (the whole wealthy heiress trying to protect endangered species of cats thing ain't gonna fly in Nolan's world). That being said, I don't see Jolie in that role. You need someone rougher edged and less naturally glamorous. Though I have no idea who I'd like to see.

The Penguin seems like he'd mesh pretty easily. His role in the comics of being a power-broker who mediates between the mob and the freak criminals could translate directly. Plus I just want to see Hoffman play the role.

I wouldn't mind seeing Robin, but the concept would be difficult to pull off. Nobody's going to buy the idea of Batman taking a 16 year old with him into combat.

A freakin' 16 year old?? Dick Grayson was 12 when he became Robin wasn't he?

 

[He-Man]

By the way, what was with Commissioner Gordon's wife being named Barbara??

That's the name of his wife in "Batman: Year One"

Sarah Essen (who later on--I don't remember when, it's not in "Year One"-- ends up as his wife) is the cop he has an affair with the in the story.

He also had a son named James in the story(he was still a newborn when the story ended) -- I don't remember what happened to him, either.

 

[Sandrock74]

I remember Sarah Essen. The Joker shot her in the face when she saved a baby from falling at the conclusion of the story "No Mans Land". Ouch!

I didn't realize that Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) was named after her mother. Oopsie. I should hang my fanboy head in shame.

By the way, anyone else ever get the feeling that Batgirl was secretly WAY ticklish? LOL

 

[Scinsor]

Personally, I think they should just get a new actor to play the Joker, but I know a lot of people think thats blasphemous. Heath Ledger did give a legendary performance, but they can still use the Joker character. But since thats probably out of the question, I'd like to see Clayface or Mr. Freeze in the next film. Mostly though I think they could expand on the Scarecrow, as he's my #1 favorite Batman villain. But thats probably not gonna happen, so the two aforementioned villains would be my top picks.

 

[Cy/MiG]

Great Thread!

First off:

I am no Batman expert, but...

Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin? AWESOME! He would do for that role what Ledger did for the Joker.

Catwoman is a must... but I don't know about Jolie... I'd prefer her over some crappy 'actress' such as Jessica Alba though.

As for the Riddler, I'd like for him to be portrayed less like Jim Carrey did in 'Forever'. And my dream 'Riddler' (and try not to laugh, but) Conan O'Brien. Doesn't he just LOOK like the Riddler would?

I hope Two-face is dead, otherwise... lame, just lame (although his quick origin and death in TDK was also somewhat lame).

And I think they could incorporate some 'minor' villains like Scarecrow, Bane or Clay Face very easily.

And finally, the Joker---I think it's almost impossible for him to be replaced, but if he were I don't think Johnny Depp is the way to go. Honestly, I would open cast the part first and see if some 'unknown' actor can't bring something to the table first. Otherwise, RIP Joker, you were a blast.

 

[Strider]

A freakin' 16 year old?? Dick Grayson was 12 when he became Robin wasn't he?

He was 13. I was specifically thinking of Tim Drake.

 

[He-Man]

Heath Ledger did give a legendary performance, but they can still use the Joker character.

Yeah, it wouldn't be too hard, even if the Joker's personality changed a little.

That's one of the things that makes the Joker so dangerous...one minute he can be a harmless prankster, the next minute a pyscho killer, and somewhere inbetween, depending on his mood (or what he finds funny).

Even Batman--the guy who has 5 plans for most of his enemies and five back-up plans for each of those plans and (five backup plans for each of THOSE plans)-- can't predict him.

 

[whatsmyageagain]

I think Jessica Alba as Catwoman would be awesome

 

[Sandrock74]

When are they gonna bring Batgirl into it, so its not a total Gotham City sausage fest? LOL

 

[-Hari-]

I heard the Riddler was to be played by Johnny Depp.

heres one report of it. of course nothings set in stone, altho persoanly i think he would make an awesome Riddler.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...k-Knight-Johnny-Depp-to-play-The-Riddler.html


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