Stabbed shopkeeper may be charged with Assualt

[BlackmoonDoll]

what a country we live in huh?


totally insane. the shop owner should not be the one being tossed in jail the Youth and the gang that stabbed the poor shop owner in the Back should be. it was self defense even! 😡. what some stupid laws that we have in this country of ours. and this case just proves it right here

i feel sorry for that shop owner i really do. some people do bad things like this and worse and they get away with it scott free

 

[kis123]

It's all about going back to the source. If the kids weren't there doing something they knew was wrong, none of this would've ever happened! No one wants the perpetrators to take their responsibility. Blame the shopkeeper for overreacting! Blame the shopkeeper for giving chase and defending his property! Arrest him for assault for the poor minor children who are only just kids!

In a word....BULL!!!! They shouldn't have done it and whatever happened during the commission of a crime let them deal with it. We had a problem in our state where a boy died in police custody. He was arrested for either selling or possession of drugs. It is said that he swallowed them to avoid getting caught with them. He ran from the cops, was arrested, and taken to jail. He collapsed while he was getting booked and died. His mother wants to sue the city!!! Is she crazy? If it is proven the boy swallowed drugs, he created his own demise and although I grieve for his mother, she can only bury him and deal with it.

It's not like it was when we were children and were gullible. You can turn on the tv, or point and click and have all the education you could ever and never want. These kids know better and do it anyway. It's difficult to parent nowadays because kids can be so hard-headed and think they can do it better than their hard-working parents. I feel sorry for a lot of parents today, but they need to do something with their children.

 

[TummyDragon]

It's all about going back to the source. If the kids weren't there doing something they knew was wrong, none of this would've ever happened! No one wants the perpetrators to take their responsibility. Blame the shopkeeper for overreacting! Blame the shopkeeper for giving chase and defending his property! Arrest him for assault for the poor minor children who are only just kids!

I disagree here with "no one wants the perpetrators to take their responsibility".. I think the overwhelming majority would want exactly that. The problem, as I see it anyway, is inherent with the legislators trying to write laws that attempt to protect the innocent (as if laws can truly 'protect' anyone) while simultaneously outlawing vigilante justice. This gives rise to the distinct circumstances required for self defense. Even in a state such as Texas, where individuals do have the right to protect their property with deadly force, one still cannot legally pursue a fleeing subject, attack, then subsequently claim 'self defense'.

Personally, I wish we had an absolute way to indicate guilt or innocense. If I were Emperor of the Earth with an absolutely infallible Guilt/Innocense machine, there would be a one strike and you're dead policy. Any crime involving the intrusion upon the person or property of another individual, e.g., robbery, theft, assault, etc, would have the end result of the immediate execution of these defective people and, the victims would have the absolute right to defend themselves by whatever means necessary (after all, the infallible machine would indicate whether they had actually defended themselves). At least we'd have zero repeat offenders. Those shoplifters would be identified and then executed (in my version of Utopia).

I have zero sympathy for criminals (kids or not), but, as our laws are currently written, a victim has the right to defend himself against and *during* a direct attack but cannot give chase after the fact and then claim any action he takes is covered under the protective umbrella of self defense.

 

[kis123]

The laws suck and only protect criminals, not victims!! I stand by my gut on this one. If they weren't stealing, none of this would've happened at all and we wouldn't be debating the issue at all!! There was a time you could shoot someone for stealing, be glad they weren't killed. The shopkeeper should not be held accountable for his behavior at all. I have no room for sympathy for criminals, law breakers, and violators on basically any level! I'll leave that compassion for someone who deserves it!

Once again, if they weren't stealing, breaking the law, and violating someone else's property rights, this never would have happened. Go back to the beginning to the source of the problem when you want to find out who's the blame. It's not the poor innocent criminal!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cosmo_ac]

I would deffinitly have to agree there's a line between self defence and assault. vigilante justice is definitly something that has to be kept to a mimimun at all costs, or people will start taking the law into there own hands. However, we don't have enough details for me to form a complete opinion on this story.

 

[jugner]

The fact is they did start it, but he should not have chased them, he has two thing to show for it, a charge of assault and a stab wound. People can use this as a lesson about the risk of being a vigilante.

We can talk forever about what should be, but like it or not, that's how it is.

 

[kis123]

The fact is they did start it, but he should not have chased them, he has two thing to show for it, a charge of assault and a stab wound. People can use this as a lesson about the risk of being a vigilante.

We can talk forever about what should be, but like it or not, that's how it is.

How it is is WRONG, and that's how it really is. You're blaming the victim and not the ones who caused it in the first place. This is why society is so backwards and off base as it is. As far as I'm concerned, outside of him losing his cool, he's the hero and not the criminal. Society needs to change and either get adequate police protection and a justice system that is actually useful and designed for the victims and not the perpetrators of crime. Then maybe these incidents of so-called vigilante-ism wouldn't occur!

Or, what if we just sit back and let the criminals have their way? Why don't we keep punishing those who were victimized instead of punishing lawbreakers? Another proof that the law doesn't work for the innocent, only for the criminal. Why should they change anything when there are people who think it's wrong for someone to defend what belongs to him? You call it being a vigilante-I call it defending what is his. I bet it'll be a long time before the perpetrators consider his store a target to steal from!

How about this novel concept-what if people used money and made purchases at stores and not antagonize store owners by shoplifting and harrassing them? When you commit a crime, whatever happens to you is your problem as far as I'm concerned! I have no sympathy for them at all just like they lack sympathy for the hard working citizens they victimize.

Unfortunately, life is very unfair and good people have to suffer at the hands of those who want something without hard work. This is just another example where this world is going. That's how it really is, not what society assumes is real. Now, those are the real facts!!!