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Stanley Cup Finals

Zacktick

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To all the TMF hockey fans out there we are now 4 games deep and tied 2-2 for teh cup. With game 5 on teh horizon tonight i'm looking for some predictions and maybe some reasons to back it up!!

My pick is as it always has been, the Detroit Red Wings. Too much talent and won't be outperformed again liek they were the past two games. Fluery will come back to earth as in game 1 and 2.

Next year Bruins all the way!!!
 
if the pens had won last night i would say that the wings were in some deep shit. however, right now, i don't know. i think game 6 could go either way and with the way the home teams have been doing, i'm thinking it's going to be detroit in 7. but i could be totally wrong. people might have been thinking that with the pens/caps series and look what happened in game 7 of that one. caps forgot they were in the playoffs that night. it'll be interesting. i just hope i'm able to see the cup being lifted 🙂
 
if the pens had won last night i would say that the wings were in some deep shit. however, right now, i don't know. i think game 6 could go either way and with the way the home teams have been doing, i'm thinking it's going to be detroit in 7. but i could be totally wrong. people might have been thinking that with the pens/caps series and look what happened in game 7 of that one. caps forgot they were in the playoffs that night. it'll be interesting. i just hope i'm able to see the cup being lifted 🙂


I want the pens to win. Having a team with a European Champion win the Stanley Cup win once is bad enough. Sid the Kid has got to do it for Canada and Pittsburgh USA.
 
I want the pens to win. Having a team with a European Champion win the Stanley Cup win once is bad enough. Sid the Kid has got to do it for Canada and Pittsburgh USA.

Ok Don Cherry... Honestly, I don't understand the hatred of European players. It's absolutely ridiculous. You never hear complaining about all the Latino baseball players. Seeing that you're from Toronto and assuming that you're a Leafs fan, does this have anything to do with the fact that Swedish Mats Sundin captained the Leafs all those years, and they never amounted to anything?
 
Ok Don Cherry... Honestly, I don't understand the hatred of European players. It's absolutely ridiculous. You never hear complaining about all the Latino baseball players. Seeing that you're from Toronto and assuming that you're a Leafs fan, does this have anything to do with the fact that Swedish Mats Sundin captained the Leafs all those years, and they never amounted to anything?


This steams from the fact that European hockey players are scum bags. They act nice during interviews, but when they are on the ice they spit, and kick with their skates on, and then there is off course the "diving". Even Abbassador for the great game Wayn Gretzky doesn't like how the Europeans play and he said so at the Olympics one year. It's our games, we are better at it, and we've been proving it since the Summit Series in 72. We might not win every gold medal every Olympics or World Cup (it should still be called the Canadian Cup) and the Russian's can kiss my ass if they don't like it.

Thanks for calling me Don Cherry, he was voted the 2nd greatest Canadian of all time.

By the way, Wendle Clark was a far better leader then Sundin ever was. In 2003 the Leafs were on a tear with the great #13 and his premadonna pals off hurt. They went all the way to the 3rd round with Roberts and Tucker at the helm, and a bunch of Juniors following there lead. All of a sudden Matts and Tie Domie saw there life flashing before there eyes and came back early from there injuries and fucked the whole thing up.
 
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Oh, did I offend a wings or pens fan or two?

I apologize....NOT.

The series is boring as hell. I have watched hockey for the past 15 years and I never seen more european pansies in one series as in this one.

Neither team even carries an enforcer in case say someone decides to take a run at Crosby.. oh thats right, nevermind, the toughest guy on the wings is kris draper.

lame boring non physical series.. and that is NOT what hockey is all about.

that is why i LOVED when the ducks won it last year.. a good physical all around team. not soft like these two teams are.
 
Upset a Wings fan, are you kidding me?

Detroit is on the cusp of winning their 5th cup in 12 years, can't upset us 🙂.

By the way, the Ducks didn't win last year, the Wings won...the Ducks lost in the first round. This year the Wings disposed of the Ducks in seven games in the second round.

Did you see the Kronwall hit on Havlat against Chicago? Detroit can win playing physically or with finesse.

The talk around here is that even if the Wings go to seven games against Pittsburgh that the Anaheim series will still be deemed as the toughest of the playoffs because of the physical nature of it. However...the Wings beat the Ducks.


One more win Wings...one more.
 
The Pens looked totally unraveled and just plain done by the end of game 5. Stick a fork in them, they are done.
Sid is too young to be looked upon as the captain of a Stanley Cup championship caliber team. He needs more seasoning.
By the way, has anyone else noticed how Malkin looks like some mongoloid caveman? What's with that?
 
Story on ESPN.com

Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Game 4 of the Stanley Cup finals has earned the series' highest cable television rating since 2002.

The Pittsburgh Penguins' 4-2 win over the Detroit Red Wings on Versus on Thursday night drew a 2.8 rating and averaged 3.45 million viewers.

The network said Monday that the average 2.7 rating for Games 3 and 4 was up 42 percent over the two games it aired last year. Versus showed Games 1 and 2 in 2008.

The 2.8 rating was the highest on Versus, beating the previous record set by Game 3.

Here's the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4242545
 
Oh, did I offend a wings or pens fan or two?

I apologize....NOT.

Didn't offend anyone, you just come off as incredibly uninformed and lacking any knowledge in hockey.

The series is boring as hell. I have watched hockey for the past 15 years and I never seen more european pansies in one series as in this one. Neither team even carries an enforcer in case say someone decides to take a run at Crosby.. oh thats right, nevermind, the toughest guy on the wings is kris draper. lame boring non physical series.. and that is NOT what hockey is all about.

that is why i LOVED when the ducks won it last year.. a good physical all around team. not soft like these two teams are.


The "European Pansy" stigma has been completely debunked, yet many idiots continue to spout this nonsense thanks to xenophobic fossils like Don Cherry in the media. The Detroit team of European pansies out-hit the Ducks all series long, yet the ridiculous stereotype still continues, all because they don't fight. Toughness has very little to do with fighting ability. Toughness can be someone willing to take a beating in front of the net night after night just to distract the goalie for his teammates. Toughness is not being afraid to go into corners to fight for a loose puck. Toughness is being willing to take a hit in order to make a play. Toughness is the ability to finish a check. Toughness is playing through an injury. Toughness is putting your body on the line to block a shot. I'd expect someone who has watched 15 years of hockey to understand this.

As for why both teams don't carry an enforcer. I haven't seen to much of the star players needing any "sticking up for." Anyone who tries to lay a big hit on the stars (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Crosby, Malkin) usually end up missing because they're much quicker. I haven't seen any time where the players run away from confrontation. Even the smallest guy on the ice, Jiri Hudler, mixes it it up all the time between whistles, sticking up for himself and his teammates in scrums. Lastly, the era of the enforcer is dead. The talent pool is much deeper than it was 20-30 years. How is an enforcer supposed to "stick up" for the stars when he plays 4 minutes a night and never on a line with the stars? Furthermore, the presence of someone who might fight you if you hit a star is not a deterrent. If a guy is going to run a star, he's going to run a star. Some goon sitting on the bench is not going to scare them. The ultimate goal of every team is to win a hockey game, and keeping a guy on the team that can't skate and is only there to fight is a waste of a spot.

If you think this series hasn't been physical, you aren't watching, and if you think Kris Draper is the toughest guy on the Wings, you're even more misinformed than I originally thought.

Case in point, Philadelphia was supposedly the toughest, most physical team in the East, and Pitt destroyed them in the toughness categories, which included winning a fight that changed the tide of Game 6. And your precious Ducks saw a similar fate to the hands of the supposedly pansy-ass Wings. The Wings were tougher than them between the whistles when the game matters, and didn't get caught up in the after whistle BS the Ducks try to goad other teams into. Also, see "soft" Swede Jonathon Ericsson rag-doll "tough" Corey Perry in Game 1 of that series for another debunking of this pansy Euro BS.
 
This steams from the fact that European hockey players are scum bags. They act nice during interviews, but when they are on the ice they spit, and kick with their skates on, and then there is off course the "diving". Even Abbassador for the great game Wayn Gretzky doesn't like how the Europeans play and he said so at the Olympics one year. It's our games, we are better at it, and we've been proving it since the Summit Series in 72. We might not win every gold medal every Olympics or World Cup (it should still be called the Canadian Cup) and the Russian's can kiss my ass if they don't like it.

I haven't heard of any spitting incidents in the NHL... but for every European hockey player that allegedly kicks with their skates on or dives, I can name a "good ol' Canadian boy" that does the exact same thing. Chris Pronger and Chris Simon are the most recent players to have been caught intentionally stomping on another player with their skate, and are widely known as the dirtiest players in the game. Sidney Crosby is the NHL's most notorious diver, and went as far as punching a guy in the gonads earlier in the year. Then there's Sean Avery, who pretty much epitomizes the word "classless." Can you please provide the link where Gretzky supposedly said he hated the way Europeans play, because you seem to be spouting a bunch of bunk... I mean Jari Kurri was his linemate for a long time, they seemed to get along pretty good, and Gretzky never seemed to hate his play.

Thanks for calling me Don Cherry, he was voted the 2nd greatest Canadian of all time.

I love Don Cherry, and I love watching him on Coach's Corner, but he really overdoes xenophobic anti-Euro rants, which is why I equated you to him. It's just a stupid argument, and he's never provided convincing arguments as to why he hates Europeans, but he says things like "soft Euros" so much that people ignorantly accept it as fact.

By the way, Wendle Clark was a far better leader then Sundin ever was. In 2003 the Leafs were on a tear with the great #13 and his premadonna pals off hurt. They went all the way to the 3rd round with Roberts and Tucker at the helm, and a bunch of Juniors following there lead. All of a sudden Matts and Tie Domie saw there life flashing before there eyes and came back early from there injuries and fucked the whole thing up.

You have no argument with me here. My point was, just because the Leafs had a few soft Europeans, and Sundin blew chunks and couldn't deliver when it mattered most, doesn't mean the rest of the Europeans in the NHL are like that. All that it means is the Leafs are currently a disgraced franchise and are terrible at scouting talent.
 
Poopies,

it's simple.. I'm used to the hard hitting, fiesty, mean series. This is NOT that. Has one major been giving out this series for fighting? I'm sorry but fighting has ALWAYS been a part of hockey and how can two teams play each other 7 times in a span of two or so weeks and not drop the gloves once? Thats right.. because as I said, Draper is the toughest player on the Wings...and unlike you, when I say TOUGH, I mean willing to not only go out and hit, block a puck BUT DROP THE GLOVES AND FIGHT if needed when your team is being challenged or your star player is being picked on.. but thats right, the Pens have nobody to go out and pick on the Wings tough players because they also are dressing a pansy lineup with no Eric Godard. Even if Godard was dressed nobody on the Wings would take him on.

Again, I like the tough fight filled teams.... I was LOVING it when the Ducks won the cup 2 years ago and finished first that year in fights.

If you like the softer kinda european hockey then thats fine. but thats not me and that is NOT HOCKEY.
 
At the end of Game 2 Malkan went after Zetterberg, they then fought. Each received fighting majors, Malkan also received an extra 2 for instigating. They are both European by the way.

You think Draper is the toughest Wing? That is an unbelievable statement. I live in the Detroit area, been watching Draper since he arrived here...I don't think he's ever been in a fight. Here is a link to his career stats:

http://redwings.nhl.com/team/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8446485&service=page&tab=crs

Draper barely has any penalty minutes. I'm wondering if you're getting him confused with McCarty, is that possible?
 
At the end of Game 2 Malkan went after Zetterberg, they then fought. Each received fighting majors, Malkan also received an extra 2 for instigating. They are both European by the way.

You think Draper is the toughest Wing? That is an unbelievable statement. I live in the Detroit area, been watching Draper since he arrived here...I don't think he's ever been in a fight. Here is a link to his career stats:

http://redwings.nhl.com/team/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8446485&service=page&tab=crs

Draper barely has any penalty minutes. I'm wondering if you're getting him confused with McCarty, is that possible?

LMFAO. Sorry, I forgot that little hugging match that back in the 90's would be considered 2 min roughing penalties... my apologizes, we had one fight.

Am I confusing Kris Draper with a once great enforcer in Darren McCarty? Uhhhh, no? I was using Draper as an example of how the wings have no fighters. Also, Draper has been in 4 nhl fights. I should of said Maltby, who has been in 14 career fights. So there ya go, Maltby is the toughest wing and most willing to fight if he has too.
 
It's obvious that we will agree to disagree on what the NHL is, was and what it should be. It's also obvious you're watching the games so the NHL still thanks you. If you're so upset at the brand of hockey you see, why not just stop watching? As you can see by the ratings, you won't be missed.
 
It's obvious that we will agree to disagree on what the NHL is, was and what it should be. It's also obvious you're watching the games so the NHL still thanks you. If you're so upset at the brand of hockey you see, why not just stop watching? As you can see by the ratings, you won't be missed.

The brand of hockey that the NHL is does not upset me. The kind of hockey the Pens and Wings play does. I have stopped watching after game 3. Too boring and too non physical.
 
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