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Stop whinning and do something about it

*Hugs Viper tight*. From what you have posted here I am very proud of who you have become. It frustrates me when I hear stories about people like your mom. I work my butt off and struggle but I would much rather do that then scam. Its called pride and ethics which is something my kids are learning. I understand the hate/love thing with your mom. I am the same way but for different reasons. We all have our crosses to bear with our parents.

Robace, you could never post too much!

Knogz, my hat off to you for starting another thought provoking thread. I am still looking forward to that chat.
 
Kudos to you darling! :Kiss1:
I talk a lot about my family who came to this country as Italian immigrants. (In those days you actually had to earn your way here~go figure!) No one on either side of my family has ever accepted any general asssistance (not that it's a bad thing if you truly need it) but IMHO, there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of what I call "lottery mentality" in this country. Why work when you can sue somebody? Why work when you can mooch ofF the US Govt? In my work, I deal with truly disabled people all the time who are killing themselves just trying to get by. Shame on your mother and congrats to you at being so young and so wise...You're going to make something of yourself, I can tell already and that is amazing!
XOXO

ViperGTS said:
*hugs...and holds on* It's so frustrating...
 
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Rambling with a point at the end.

Robace252 I will be pulling for you as hard as I can, and you will succeed as long as you have the will to fight. Viper your story is a good example of how I felt when I started the thread. Sultry your just as cute as ever and we'll cordinate a time to chat about these and other issues. Steph your family is a kind of blueprint for what I think we all can achieve if we never give up. What I mean by giving up, is when a person believes that they are stuck and things will always be miserable. Seriously how many optimistic people are actually worried about money, love, and so forth. I know its a frame of mind, but I seriously think that all it takes is alittle or alot of practice. Many of the most learned people in history started from very dismal circumstances. Again its what you make of the oppurtunities that are available. They're out there you just have to sometimes dig for them. I don't think my view is the best but I'm saying the principle is a solid one. The worst comment I've ever heard actually came from a teacher. She said that non of the students in her class would ever be millionaires. This may not many peoples goal in life, and I respect that, but for me my goal is for me and my family to never have to worry about money for school, insurance, toys, whatever. So when I heard that statement, instead of saying well I guess thats it then I know now I must struggle and never have financial independance, I decided I would some how some way prove this teacher wrong. Because her comment was a slap in the face to my goal. 2 or 3 years ago I probably woulda sulked and beat myself up for thinking big. "But I dare to dream and dare to achieve" somebody write that down =). But seriously the premise of this thread is to let the people who feel hopeless that their is hope. Sure you have to dig for it, but its there. But before you can help your self, you have to love yourself or at least like yourself. Find strength from within, find the burning desire for change. Again if you need help doing this take a trip to a prison, or a hospital, or something of that nature. It should make you feel fortunate that you still have time and the freedom to fight for what you want. If you need support find a mentor, or an organization, a spiritual place, a forum such as this, whatever it takes to help you find the support you need to carryout your own goals.
 
isabeau

isabeau you truely are strong person. It was my honor to get to know you alittle bit through your post.

Kis I'd also like to hear from you some more. I want to make sure I fully understand you and that you fully understand me aswell.
 
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Thank you hon. Well, as the story goes, the grandfolks came thru around 1920 via Ellis Island (where all the foreigners passed thru at the time) with about 23 bucks to their name. By the time they died, they owned properties, ran restuarants, hotels, etc.
I am very proud to be linked to such humble beginnings but partly their desire to work so hard came out of necessity. In those days you were REQUIRED to have a job lined up already or you couldn't come to America.
Very different than the way things are now, hm?
Yanno what I think? Life was a lot harder in those days but I think we were a lot smarter and better off. We actually knew what mattered~work, family. It wasn't about driving the newest Mercedes or having a big screen TV.
(hops off her soapbox)
XOXO

knogz said:
Steph your family is a kind of blueprint for what I think we all can achieve if we never give up. What I mean by giving up, is when a person believes that they are stuck and things will always be miserable. Seriously how many optimistic people are actually worried about money, love, and so forth. I know its a frame of mind, but I seriously think that all it takes is alittle or alot of practice. Many of the most learned people in history started from very dismal circumstances. Again its what you make of the oppurtunities that are available.
 
knogz said:
isabeau you truely are strong person. It was my honor to get to know you alittle bit through your post.

Kis I'd also like to hear from you some more. I want to make sure I fully understand you and that you fully understand me aswell.

I thought I had wrapped up my thoughts earlier, but here it goes.......

I've told my story many times and it goes something like this:

I had two messed up people for parents! My mother was clinically depressed and just couldn't seem to fight her way out of it until shortly before she died. Remember, in my mom's generation, depression wasn't something anyone discussed, so it didn't exist. It was the elephant in the living room of our lives. It got worse after one of my sisters died from cancer before I was born. My mother managed to tell me one day that if birth control was better back then, me and my youngest sister wouldn't be here. So I subscribe to the theory that "it don't matter how you got here, just be glad you're here!" My father was the typical alcoholic autocratic dictator of his time. His favorite line was "when I'm right, I'm right!! When I'm wrong, I'm right!" In other words, you were basically dammed if you did or didn't! I was just visiting one of my sisters recently (actually a stepsister, but we've gotten very close). She told me we weren't raised with love, and look how we managed to raise our children?? They don't know how good they have it! And she's right!

The minute I turned 18, I was off to the races. I had my oldest child with a drug addict turned dealer who left before my kid was 2. I met the man I married shortly afterwords and he became a real father to my kid. We stayed together 10 years, and split-but they are still very close and still dad and son. My daughter is now 15 and lives with him because the school system is crappy in my city-I wouldn't want to train a dog in it! I've been criticized about releasing my daughter to live with him. I cried nearly six months afterwards. Shortly beforehand, I had to let my son go to live in a group home because he simply couldn't help his behavior and I had run out of pride and hopes of doing it myself (for the few people on the earth who may not know, my son's autistic). So, in 2002 I was alone, childless, jobless, and feeling pretty hopeless.

When I got tired of crying, drinking myself to sleep, and self-pitying myself to death a thought came to mind: "What am I going to do with all of this free time on my hands?" What I was doing was getting really old really quick! I got off my big behind, found a job (actually several jobs) and went back to school. I got my bachelors degree in business management in December 04. I went on a job interview the next day only to find out that one of the people who subsequently hired me was the daughter-in-law of my professor. I was hired in January, and here I am.

One of the main things that has kept my sanity over the last two+ years has been the TMF that I bumped into by sheer coincidence and circumstance. I've been here ever since. I've seen many come and go, and I've formed seemingly unbreakable bonds with many of you.

It's been a wild ride and I have no intention of ever stopping prior to my leaving this world. Do I get depressed? Sure-it is genetic in my family and I will deal with it from time to time. Do I feel hopeless-sure I do! I'm a late bloomer (my son just turned 20) and I have a lot to catch up. Will I ever quit? Yeah-right after I die!!!!

Knogz, I was one of the people you opened this thread with. I didn't want to take responsibility for my own life. It was easier to blame depressed mom and alcoholic loveless dad for all of my troubles. The fact of the matter is that I was eating the fruit of my decision making and it was incredibly bitter! I'm not that way anymore. I take life as it comes and sometimes it really sucks! I refuse to get into toxic relationships in the name of having someone in my life and bed. Boy, did it ever take me a long time to learn that one!! I'd rather be by myself with my cats and my kids on the weekends than to exchange my independent spirit for some close-minded jerk who gets intimidated by me and my independence.

Well, I've ranted on enough. The bottom line is if you're still breathing, you can get up no matter how far you've fallen. I'm a late bloomer, but better late than never!
 
knogz, if the lofty goals you laid down for your fellow citizens were ever effectively met, the result would be a classless society.
Such a society is not sustainable, as we humans are a competitive lot.
 
This thread is very interesting, and I just want all of you to know that, even if I disagree with some of the things said here, I respect the people who lived through them.

The one word I emphasized before: compassion. Some of you very, very strong people may sometimes forget that the rest of us are not where you are now. I can say that I have overcome much in my life, but I am hardly the bastion of self-reliance and self-assurance that some of you seem to be.

For the record, like some of the people here, I also come from a family that has clinical depression, and years ago I did take medication. I really do sit in my apartment and cry my eyes out at times, even these days. Then I try my best to keep finding ways to improve my life. I am in the unusual role of being a mentor to others, people who have it worse than me. That is my way of giving something back. (A gay atheist who helps heterosexual Christian males--the type who used to abuse him? Yes, such a thing exists. Shame I don't believe in God, as I could write a sermon about that one. I enjoy the irony and am hardly humble about it, although I don't say anything to them since I respect their religion in order to help.)

O.K., I will stop writing about Christianity per my promise to knogz earlier in this thread. It is not easy to write about myself without mentioning that religion, though, as it was a major factor in my life.

I don't know what gives me the strength to keep going, as there were certainly times I thought about suicide. Yet here I am, as I will never let the relatives, peers, and religious folks who told me I was worthless have the satisfaction of seeing me down--not when I give my life its own meaning. It has only been during the past few years that I have enjoyed my life as someone coming into his own who wants to be alive.

Whatever I can do to help others is fine, but it is not because I have a superior life philosophy or am any better than they. I simply lucked out and learned a few ways to cope and improve my lot along the way. There are others things I am still learning. And there is much I can say to other people who know what it is to cry.
 
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thank you

knogz thank you very much for those kind words. as i said before, good grief, tis me and no one else but me responsible for my happiness or unhappiness. the thought of putting blame on anyone else is downright sillly. thank you for the compliment, if i am a strong person, tis because of my faith. love ya and love the forum.

isabeau :wavingguy
 
Classless Society?!?! I think your alittle off

Ok I will reply on some of the replies, however, I do not believe that my ideals are lofty. TKpervert I'm not saying everyone should aspire to be leaders and so forth. All I'm getting at is just keep fighting and ditch the excuses. You know enduring companies are full of fighters from the executive level to the sells level. Again I was just talking about people who don't give up and keep fighting for their individual goals. How this would become a classless society I don't know. This isn't political, I'm not a communist and it has nothing to do with that. Steph, Kiss, isabeau, GFTL I'll have a second reply to yalls good posts.
 
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