Terrell owens

[ticklingfeet4fu]

My point was that Keyshawn and T.O. are alike. They're not bad people, they just want to win. Keyshawn was flambouyant in NY and wasn't someone afraid to speak his mind. Bill handled him them. You act as if there is no hope for T.O. You speak of him as if he is a criminal. He will be fine in Dallas. It's a different situation, new contract, a lot of things have changed.

So how come you can't tell me what he did in the playoffs for the Eagles to put them over the top and get them to the Super Bowl??? All I ask is what did he do in the NFC Championship game to help put the Eagles over the top??? Since we know they went to 3 NFC Championship games without him being on the team. What was his contribution to the team in the PLAYOFFS to get the Eagles to the Super Bowl? Simple questions. Do you have an answer??? I NEVER said he was a criminal. An ASSHOLE maybe ( actually probably ) but I never said he was a criminal. But what is going on here is your REFUSAL to answer the DAMN questions even though I have been nice and answered yours.

 

[primetime]

tickle fiend, stop acting stupid and answer the simple questions. you KNOW your argument makes no sense. that is why you wont answer the questions. you KNOW if you did, your argument will make you look like a complete fool. why not just admit that you were wrong and then it's over?

it really isnt a hard question. you said Owens improved McNabb's stats. true. how did Owens do that? McNabb threw to him, Owens made plays, scored TDs and got a whole bunch of yards. we understand that. but, if Owens improved McNabb's stats, how on Earth did McNabb ever win a playoff game WITHOUT Owens. remember, McNabb's stats were based on Owens' performance, so, how did the Eagles win the NFC title game without McNabb throwing the football to Owens? HOW? this is where you fail miserably.

you KNOW you're wrong, which is why you continued to get badgered about answering questions. the ONLY reason why you are wishing Owens well is because he plays for the Cowboys. after all, you DID feel animosity towards T.O. when he celebrated on the Dallas Star. how do i know? because your response was "i'm over it". i highly doubt you would defend Owens if he went to another team. give me a freakin' break.

oh yeah, Drew Rosenhaus was Owens' new agent when he FIRST signed with Philly in 2004. he fired his previous agent after SF kept him from being a free agent because the former agent messed up some paperwork.

figure it out man, not one of us truly knows what Owens will do. however, based on a pattern, you can see why we think he is going to explode AGAIN. if the Cowboys start losing and Bledsoe is not giving him the ball, trust me, you will see another Terrell Owens. i cant believe you are fooled with his "sincereness". dammit, he was supposedly "sincere" when he apologized to the Eagles in the SUMMER. what happened? Terrell did this to himself. he did it with TWO teams, not just one. the man is in the game for HIMSELF. he dont give a damn about the team. the team only exists for him to shine.

as for Keyshawn. man, could you please open your eyes. the man wrote a freakin' book talking about "Give me the damn ball". if that isnt arrogance, i dont know what is. he ripped apart Wayne Chrebet. he then goes to Tampa, actually gets a Super Bowl ring and there is Chucky and management getting rid of him. if you remember "Cowboy fan", didnt Keyshawn get in trouble in 2005 for not being a team player? didnt he and Bledsoe get into a noticeable argument on the sideline? you're not blind. plus, why would Dallas get rid of Keyshawn, if everything is rosy? why not get rid of Terry Glenn? why not get rid of Patrick Clayton? why Keyshawn? think about it. like i said, i met the man and he was a complete asshole to me. i am waiting for the day he breaks his leg, ending his NFL career.

now, can you answer our question? i know you wont. how do i know? because you KNOW you are wrong. you're simply trying to save face. sad, so sad....

 

[Tickle Fiend]

So how come you can't tell me what he did in the playoffs for the Eagles to put them over the top and get them to the Super Bowl??? All I ask is what did he do in the NFC Championship game to help put the Eagles over the top??? Since we know they went to 3 NFC Championship games without him being on the team. What was his contribution to the team in the PLAYOFFS to get the Eagles to the Super Bowl? Simple questions. Do you have an answer??? I NEVER said he was a criminal. An ASSHOLE maybe ( actually probably ) but I never said he was a criminal. But what is going on here is your REFUSAL to answer the DAMN questions even though I have been nice and answered yours.

What's with the temper tough guy? From the way you and others talk about him one would assume he was a criminal. Again you don't know him so how could you judge. Did he take your wife? Did he spit on you? Beat your ass? What has this man done to you to make you think he's an asshole? And again, the NFC Championship is not the first. T.O. not playing the NFC Championship doesn't mean anything. He played all the other games but you want to penalize him because he missed two games. If he had missed the regular season and came back and played the playoff games would that have meant he was the reason they got to the Super Bowl?

 

[Tickle Fiend]

tickle fiend, stop acting stupid and answer the simple questions. you KNOW your argument makes no sense. that is why you wont answer the questions. you KNOW if you did, your argument will make you look like a complete fool. why not just admit that you were wrong and then it's over?

it really isnt a hard question. you said Owens improved McNabb's stats. true. how did Owens do that? McNabb threw to him, Owens made plays, scored TDs and got a whole bunch of yards. we understand that. but, if Owens improved McNabb's stats, how on Earth did McNabb ever win a playoff game WITHOUT Owens. remember, McNabb's stats were based on Owens' performance, so, how did the Eagles win the NFC title game without McNabb throwing the football to Owens? HOW? this is where you fail miserably.

you KNOW you're wrong, which is why you continued to get badgered about answering questions. the ONLY reason why you are wishing Owens well is because he plays for the Cowboys. after all, you DID feel animosity towards T.O. when he celebrated on the Dallas Star. how do i know? because your response was "i'm over it". i highly doubt you would defend Owens if he went to another team. give me a freakin' break.

oh yeah, Drew Rosenhaus was Owens' new agent when he FIRST signed with Philly in 2004. he fired his previous agent after SF kept him from being a free agent because the former agent messed up some paperwork.

figure it out man, not one of us truly knows what Owens will do. however, based on a pattern, you can see why we think he is going to explode AGAIN. if the Cowboys start losing and Bledsoe is not giving him the ball, trust me, you will see another Terrell Owens. i cant believe you are fooled with his "sincereness". dammit, he was supposedly "sincere" when he apologized to the Eagles in the SUMMER. what happened? Terrell did this to himself. he did it with TWO teams, not just one. the man is in the game for HIMSELF. he dont give a damn about the team. the team only exists for him to shine.

as for Keyshawn. man, could you please open your eyes. the man wrote a freakin' book talking about "Give me the damn ball". if that isnt arrogance, i dont know what is. he ripped apart Wayne Chrebet. he then goes to Tampa, actually gets a Super Bowl ring and there is Chucky and management getting rid of him. if you remember "Cowboy fan", didnt Keyshawn get in trouble in 2005 for not being a team player? didnt he and Bledsoe get into a noticeable argument on the sideline? you're not blind. plus, why would Dallas get rid of Keyshawn, if everything is rosy? why not get rid of Terry Glenn? why not get rid of Patrick Clayton? why Keyshawn? think about it. like i said, i met the man and he was a complete asshole to me. i am waiting for the day he breaks his leg, ending his NFL career.

now, can you answer our question? i know you wont. how do i know? because you KNOW you are wrong. you're simply trying to save face. sad, so sad....

First of all just let me say that you have no idea what I'm thinking. You don't speak for me so please stop telling me what I think or thought. I said a long time ago, I don't hate T.O. When he was on the star and got his ass busted I was happy as f*ck. After that I wanted him to do bad, mainly because he played for the 9ers who I don't like. When he was to be traded I wanted him to go to B'more and do the damn thing. When he went to Philly is when I didn't want him to do well. Why? Because they are a rival and I hate them. When he was released do you want to know what I was thinking? Or can you tell me since you already know every thought I have. Well let me tell you anyway. Initially, people didn't have T.O. coming to Dallas. At that point I had teams that I would have like to see him on and do well. I didn't wan't him on the Redskins who were looking for a receiver. I wanted him, from all the potential suiters, to go to K.C. And from the very beginning I didn't think he would be a problem no matter WHERE HE WENT. When Dallas was the obvios place I was f*ckin' happy. He's one of the top two receivers in the league nad will do a lot for our team. A lot of Cowboy fans were unhappy he came and have since said they are no longer Cowboys fans. F*ck those people. They want to leave please go. Even with the people who didn't want him here there were even more who did. How do I know this? I go to the Cowboys f*ckin' site every f*ckin' day. A poll asking if we wanted him showed 75% of people did while the others didn't. The total amount of voters was passed 155,000. T.O. jerseys are about to sell out on the site. I know this because I listen to a radio show hosted by someone who runs the site. More people have come to the site and more merchandise has been sold. As for Rosenhaus, he became T.O.'s agent in April of 2005. He was not T.O.'s agent when he first signed a deal with the Eagles. Drew was his agent when he signed with the Cowboys and T.O. got the deal he wanted and will make more than he would have in Philly. And again I could care less about what happened in Philly or San Fran. We don't know what will happen but I'm giving him a chance. But he probably will act out since you know what everyone is thinking.

Keyshawn wrote a book, so what! I don't know if he ripped Chrebet but even if he did what makes him wrong? Is it because he said something publicly ripping the guy or just the fact he would say anything about Chrebet? You don't know the situation, you don't know what happens in the locker room, therefore you don't know if Keyshawn was at fault. And no I'm not just trying to defend Keyshawn. We truly have no idea what happens when they aren't on camera. He had one bad year in Tampa because of one incident, big deal. He messed up and moved on. And yes I remember that game. It was the game we killed the Eagles. Keyshawn ran a route and Bledsoe didn't make a good decision and when Keyshawn turned around to run after catching the pass he was layed out. A fumble went the other way for a TD, their only one on the day. Drew made a bad choice and left Keyshawn defenseless. Drew went to Keyshawn on the sideline. Let me repeat myself. DREW WENT TO KEYSHAWN. He goes to Keyshawn and says something to him about the fumbler and Keyshawn took offense. Wouldn't you be mad if someone set you up like that and got made at you for making a mistake. Keyshawn got mad and they were seperated. The media tryed its best to blow it up. It was no big deal. Then people like you say he wasn't being a team player when you have no idea what happened. Clown. He didn't get in trouble. They squashed it in a few minutes. It's funny you mention this because I was reading something today where Bledsoe mentions this. He said that it was squashed really in only 30 seconds. And that he and Keyshawn have a great relationship but people see that and assume otherwise. An arguement that lasted less than twenty seconds and you say he's not being a team player, come on. And yes they released Keyshawn. Not because of behavior. Not because of attitude. Because of a little thing called the salary cap. Keyshawn had some money that was about to be due and he was going to ask for more money. No not because he's greedy silly boy. Because he admittedly was getting underpaid by the Cowboys. They released him because T.O. was going to be available. You did notice that Keyshawn and T.O. were released only hours apart dont you? Since you see everything now and I'm the blind one. T.O. is a better receiver than Keyshawn. Keyshawn's older and is a possession receiver. They wanted an upgrade and they got it. Why would they get rid of Patrick Crayton, makes no sense. Did well until the injury and is young. Makes no sense. And like I said, you don't know Keyshawn. You may think he is an as*hole but people who've actually spent quality time with the man think otherwise. I don't know if these men take you women or what. You need to get over whatever it is. Are you jealous because of the money, talent, or their female fans? I have no idea. Wish all you want. Keyshawn will be done within two years so time is running out. You wish such a thing on him and he's an as*hole, ok. And yes it is sad when people come to assumptions about others who they won't ever know in their life. It's also sad when people make arguements without having correct info. "Cowboys fan?" Yes I am. Didn't need to run and research this stuff while writing this, I already knew. And no I'm not gloating but when you make comments like "Cowboy fan," implying that I'm not, then I'll prove otherwise.

 

[primetime]

do you have any real idea how silly you sound? you are only proving my point. did i or did i not say you are wishing Owens the best because he is PLAYING FOR YOUR TEAM? what do you go and say? you didnt want Owens to do well while playing with Philly, the 49ers or the Redskins. BUT, if he went to another team, you want him to do well. yes "genius", this is EXACTLY what i have been saying. you want Owens to do well and defend him because he is PLAYING FOR YOUR TEAM. if he played for the 49ers, you would NOT be sitting here defending him like you are now. face facts.

second, i notice you still didnt answer the question we posed. figures, you know i am right about you. dont you realize the way you are defending Owens is centered on what you said about his career in Philly? man, stop being silly and admit it. if Owens went to the Redskins, you would be here as well wishing Owens would blow up and if he did blow up in Washington, you would be smiling. think i'm lying? well, when YOU WROTE you wish he did bad in Philly, that pretty much sums up my point doesnt it? oh yeah, Owens FIRED his first agent when he got out of SF, NOT after the Super Bowl.

as for Keyshawn, you dont get it do you? you see, you have no idea who Keyshawn is. did you have any personal interactions with the man? did you attend a rival high school of his like I DID? do you know the people who knew Keyshawn during his high school days (Dorsey HS), and his college days (West LA JC and USC) who will concur with what i am saying? of course there will be people who like him, but there are people who also experienced his "other side". stop talking like you have Keyshawn info. i am a little more closer to Keyshawn than you ever will be. you also sound like you didnt know Keyshawn had a book during his early days. how old are you? dammit, it was MAJOR NEWS when that book hit. Chrebet wasnt the only one he ripped. here's an idea, why dont you do your homework and find out about Keyshawn's book. then make your assessment instead of talking out of your rear end.

also, you mention that Drew Bledsoe said his little "spat" with Keyshawn was "no big deal". yeah, just like T.O. and Donavan McNabb said their "spat" during the 2004 season was "no big deal". look how that turned out. patterns son, PATTERNS.

as for the quotations surrounding Cowboy fan. oh, i have no doubt that you are a Cowboy fan. that is painfully obvious. the quotations were used to emphasize my point that since you are a Cowboy fan, you of all people should have the scoop on Keyshawn's stay in Dallas. but after reading your posts, you dont have a clue. you're just another "run off at the mouth" fan, who has no real idea on things. it's obvious. you still havent answered simple questions. i see you ignored that part of my previous post completely.

it is funny that you are defending two men who are KNOWN primadonnas, two KNOWN selfish men and wonder why the rest of us dont like them. you are ONLY defending them because they wore Cowboy uniforms. who are you trying to kid? you STILL dont know what you are talking about. prove me wrong.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

do you have any real idea how silly you sound? you are only proving my point. did i or did i not say you are wishing Owens the best because he is PLAYING FOR YOUR TEAM? what do you go and say? you didnt want Owens to do well while playing with Philly, the 49ers or the Redskins. BUT, if he went to another team, you want him to do well. yes "genius", this is EXACTLY what i have been saying. you want Owens to do well and defend him because he is PLAYING FOR YOUR TEAM. if he played for the 49ers, you would NOT be sitting here defending him like you are now. face facts.

second, i notice you still didnt answer the question we posed. figures, you know i am right about you. dont you realize the way you are defending Owens is centered on what you said about his career in Philly? man, stop being silly and admit it. if Owens went to the Redskins, you would be here as well wishing Owens would blow up and if he did blow up in Washington, you would be smiling. think i'm lying? well, when YOU WROTE you wish he did bad in Philly, that pretty much sums up my point doesnt it? oh yeah, Owens FIRED his first agent when he got out of SF, NOT after the Super Bowl.

as for Keyshawn, you dont get it do you? you see, you have no idea who Keyshawn is. did you have any personal interactions with the man? did you attend a rival high school of his like I DID? do you know the people who knew Keyshawn during his high school days (Dorsey HS), and his college days (West LA JC and USC) who will concur with what i am saying? of course there will be people who like him, but there are people who also experienced his "other side". stop talking like you have Keyshawn info. i am a little more closer to Keyshawn than you ever will be. you also sound like you didnt know Keyshawn had a book during his early days. how old are you? dammit, it was MAJOR NEWS when that book hit. Chrebet wasnt the only one he ripped. here's an idea, why dont you do your homework and find out about Keyshawn's book. then make your assessment instead of talking out of your rear end.

also, you mention that Drew Bledsoe said his little "spat" with Keyshawn was "no big deal". yeah, just like T.O. and Donavan McNabb said their "spat" during the 2004 season was "no big deal". look how that turned out. patterns son, PATTERNS.

as for the quotations surrounding Cowboy fan. oh, i have no doubt that you are a Cowboy fan. that is painfully obvious. the quotations were used to emphasize my point that since you are a Cowboy fan, you of all people should have the scoop on Keyshawn's stay in Dallas. but after reading your posts, you dont have a clue. you're just another "run off at the mouth" fan, who has no real idea on things. it's obvious. you still havent answered simple questions. i see you ignored that part of my previous post completely.

it is funny that you are defending two men who are KNOWN primadonnas, two KNOWN selfish men and wonder why the rest of us dont like them. you are ONLY defending them because they wore Cowboy uniforms. who are you trying to kid? you STILL dont know what you are talking about. prove me wrong.

My team is the Dallas Cowboys. If T.O. goes to a team I don't like why would I want him to do well? He'd only help that team. Don't know if you read all that I wrote but I said if he had went to B'more or KC I would have wanted him to do well. There are others I wouldn't mind him going to but they were in the running. I don't follow either team and I would have liked him to do well. And I would be defending him if you keep responding to me. No matter where he went I would have the same opinions, you can believe or not. I dont give a f*ck. You think you know every thought I have. You don't have to believe a f*cking word I say and I could care less. It won't change my thoughts and I'm not worried about what the f*ck primetime says I feel. And just so you can get your facts straight, here's a encyclopedia website that has T.O.'s bio. You can read and see when Rosenhaus became T.O.'s agent. Im sure he consulted you before making the decision. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens

It says it there and I've read it in articles as arguements to why his stay in Dallas will work. And what does Drew/Keyshawn have to do with Donovan/Terrell? I know T.O.'s on the team now but how do they affect each other? You said Keyshawn was disciplined for "not being a team player" in Dallas, which he wasn't. The issue was dropped by the them and all the other Cowboys immediatley, it was the media who tried to big it up. Keyshawns stay in big D was just fine. You asked me why was Keyshawn released. Any other opinions on that? You tell me what simple questions I haven't answered about the Cowboys. You tell me the real scoop on Keyshawn's stay in Dallas. You tell me ok. Since you are the Cowboy fan now. Since you are the one following them daily. You tell me and get me up to dat since I'm just another "run off at the mouth" fan. As I said also, YOU don't know KEYSHAWN. You don't know him. Why would I waste my energy hating someone I have no relationship with. I have never spent quality time with. HAs never done or said any negative directed at me or a certain group of people. Someone who doesn't even know you walk this Earth. You know what, never mind. Throw all the people who know Keyshawn at me, throw you chit-chat with Keyshawn at me...f*ck it...You are soooo close with Keyshawn so you win. You can keep your thoughts about Keyshawn and I will keep mine. You know everything so well. You and you little friend can tag team and take over the world I guess. Ya f*ckin clown. You tell me what the f*ck I think, f*ck outta here

 

[slacker2114]

Ok, this is a bit off-topic, but I'd just like to point out that if this conversation between prime, fiend and tf4u were happening in a bar, this would long ago have resulted in a lot of spilled beer, broken furniture and a riot squad.

Also, it doesn't matter what TO does this season because the Steelers are winning the Super Bowl again. We're going for 3 back to back Super Bowls. And it'd be all the sweeter if it was against Dallas......again.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Ok, this is a bit off-topic, but I'd just like to point out that if this conversation between prime, fiend and tf4u were happening in a bar, this would long ago have resulted in a lot of spilled beer, broken furniture and a riot squad.

Also, it doesn't matter what TO does this season because the Steelers are winning the Super Bowl again. We're going for 3 back to back Super Bowls. And it'd be all the sweeter if it was against Dallas......again.

I would love to see Dallas and Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl again too. They'll even it up. And Big D won the last one.

 

[Wrathchild]

Ok, this is a bit off-topic, but I'd just like to point out that if this conversation between prime, fiend and tf4u were happening in a bar, this would long ago have resulted in a lot of spilled beer, broken furniture and a riot squad.

Also, it doesn't matter what TO does this season because the Steelers are winning the Super Bowl again. We're going for 3 back to back Super Bowls. And it'd be all the sweeter if it was against Dallas......again.

Actually my pick is NFC: NY Giants (the peoples champions )
AFC: New England Patriots

Im gonna have to give the XLI to the Pats but for XLII its Giants vs. Broncos with Eli Manning becoming the first of his lineage to win a SuperBowl. The Steelers only went to the SuperBowl because Ben Rothisberger tackled that Colts interception return.

 

[tickletoy3]

The Steelers only went to the SuperBowl because Ben Rothisberger tackled that Colts interception return.

Umm, actually it wasn't an 'interception', it was a fumble return (Jerome Bettis). And if Pittsburgh hadn't intentionally put Carson Palmer out, they would have never had to worry about the Colts.

I still can't believe all the people that suddenly think Miami is superbowl bound because they got Culpepper. The man hasn't even passed his physical yet and hasn't thrown a pass in nearly a season.

T.O. won't win no matter what he does. If Dallas does well and in particular T.O. is playing well, he's still an arrogant, 'let me win the game', a-hole. If Dallas flops on their face the fans will boo him out of Dallas and blame him for every loss. Maybe that's one reason he plays for T.O. and doesn't care what the team, the fans, or anyone thinks about him.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Actually my pick is NFC: NY Giants (the peoples champions )
AFC: New England Patriots

Im gonna have to give the XLI to the Pats but for XLII its Giants vs. Broncos with Eli Manning becoming the first of his lineage to win a SuperBowl. The Steelers only went to the SuperBowl because Ben Rothisberger tackled that Colts interception return.

You can't predict what the Super Bowl will be this or next year. There's still more free agents to be signed and there's the draft. You will have free agency and the draft again the next year. Plus the NFC East will be a tough division this year so they'll have to worry about that first.

 

[Wrathchild]

You can't predict what the Super Bowl will be this or next year. There's still more free agents to be signed and there's the draft. You will have free agency and the draft again the next year. Plus the NFC East will be a tough division this year so they'll have to worry about that first.

I had a vision!!!

 

[slacker2114]

And if Pittsburgh hadn't intentionally put Carson Palmer out, they would have never had to worry about the Colts.

Riiiiiight. They intentionally took out the amazing, incredible Carson Palmer. What would the Bengles do without their superstar quarterback/kicker/defensive line/running back/receiver? Palmer is NOT the whole team, despite what everyone thinks. And it was a team effort, or lack of it, that lost that playoff game. I will admit, however, I wish Palmer hadn't gotten hurt so all the people who I knew would say that his injury is what lost the game would have seen them lose to a more experienced playoff team.

But you're right about one thing. TO definitly plays for himself under the guise of team spirit.

 

[primetime]

aaawwwww, is poor tickle fiend getting frustrated? yep, showing the signs of someone who has no clue on what he is talking about. you still failed to answer the question that i have repeatedly asked. that question is, how did Owens get the Eagles to win the NFC title game when he didnt play in the game? listen you "Cowboy fan", the regular season has nothing to do with it. the Eagles had homefield advantage before Owens got there. what did Owens SPECIFICALLY do in the NFC title game to get the Eagles to the SuperBowl? yeah, stop running and answer the question. but, if you did, then your whole argument looks stupid. figures....

as for Keyshawn. you silly boy, Keyshawn Johnson is from my "neck of the woods" so to speak, so i have had the opportunities to see the man BEFORE he even got the the NFL. YOU HAVE NOT. you only see what you see on television. since you were so brilliant to look up when Rosenhaus became Owens' agent, how come you didnt look up Keyshawn's book "Just give me the Damn Ball"? it will say a lot about his character. Wayne Chrebet wasnt the only thing he ripped. he gets deactivated in Tampa Bay, but he is just misunderstood huh? man, you are a freakin' joke.

here's some tips. before you open your trap and spout out your arguments, make sure that you can back them up. you dodged the obvious question about his Philly performance. you claim that i have no knowledge about Keyshawn whatsoever, but like i said, i have had the opportunity to meet the man, i know people who know him (true, there are others who like Keyshawn and say he's a stand up guy) and can attest to his behavior, but that doesnt seem to matter to you. your whole arguments are laughable. this entire time i have been laughing at your feeble attempts to argue with me. step off son, you cant compete with me. look at your last post. you admitted that you are cheering for Owens just because he plays for the Cowboys (at first you denied it), you still managed to duck my main point of argument and you sound like a man who has nothing to say but cry. it's okay, you're not the first person (i love sports messageboards..) that i made sound silly. just another victim....

as for the Steelers. they are a great team, but they wont repeat. i do agree that losing Palmer is not the reason why the Bengals lost to the Steelers, but it did hurt their cause. i think next year's SuperBowl participants will be the SF 49ers and Tennessee Titans. you know i'm just playin.......i have no idea right now who will win. i am looking forward to the draft. it should be very interesting.

 

[tickletoy3]

Riiiiiight. They intentionally took out the amazing, incredible Carson Palmer. What would the Bengles do without their superstar quarterback/kicker/defensive line/running back/receiver? Palmer is NOT the whole team, despite what everyone thinks. And it was a team effort, or lack of it, that lost that playoff game. I will admit, however, I wish Palmer hadn't gotten hurt so all the people who I knew would say that his injury is what lost the game would have seen them lose to a more experienced playoff team.

But you're right about one thing. TO definitly plays for himself under the guise of team spirit.

And how badly were the Steelers winning BEFORE Palmer got taken out? Hmm.. guess all that experience must have been paying off. However, they were experienced enough to know when to take a quarterback out. I give them that much.

 

[slacker2114]

And how badly were the Steelers winning BEFORE Palmer got taken out? Hmm.. guess all that experience must have been paying off. However, they were experienced enough to know when to take a quarterback out. I give them that much.

Did you even SEE that game? I did. Palmer got injured on Cincinatti's SECOND offensive play of the game. Therefore, he wasn't even a factor in the game, other than to psyche up his teammates for awhile.

Take some advice from the other posters on this thread....do some research and know what you're talking about so as not to embarass yourself.

 

[tickletoy3]

Ouch. Somebody's a bit touchy. Point still stands. Pittsburgh knew what to do and was experienced enough to know when to take a quarterback out. Pittsburgh plays that way. Do your research and look up the time when Joe Greene punched an offensive lineman for the Broncos in the stomach because he couldn't get to the quarterback (1977 the year Denver met Dallas in SB12) or the time when Donnie Shell illegally speared Earl Campbell and took him out back in the late 70s. Congratulations to the dirty, er mighty steelers. And yes, that was over 30 years ago my friend, but tradition transends franchise generations.

Sadly enough, they would actually have 6 superbowls if someone hadn't paid off O'Donnel the last time they met the Cowboys. Now do yourself a favor and research all those calls the refs blew when they handed the trophy to Pittsburgh.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

aaawwwww, is poor tickle fiend getting frustrated? yep, showing the signs of someone who has no clue on what he is talking about. you still failed to answer the question that i have repeatedly asked. that question is, how did Owens get the Eagles to win the NFC title game when he didnt play in the game? listen you "Cowboy fan", the regular season has nothing to do with it. the Eagles had homefield advantage before Owens got there. what did Owens SPECIFICALLY do in the NFC title game to get the Eagles to the SuperBowl? yeah, stop running and answer the question. but, if you did, then your whole argument looks stupid. figures....

as for Keyshawn. you silly boy, Keyshawn Johnson is from my "neck of the woods" so to speak, so i have had the opportunities to see the man BEFORE he even got the the NFL. YOU HAVE NOT. you only see what you see on television. since you were so brilliant to look up when Rosenhaus became Owens' agent, how come you didnt look up Keyshawn's book "Just give me the Damn Ball"? it will say a lot about his character. Wayne Chrebet wasnt the only thing he ripped. he gets deactivated in Tampa Bay, but he is just misunderstood huh? man, you are a freakin' joke.

here's some tips. before you open your trap and spout out your arguments, make sure that you can back them up. you dodged the obvious question about his Philly performance. you claim that i have no knowledge about Keyshawn whatsoever, but like i said, i have had the opportunity to meet the man, i know people who know him (true, there are others who like Keyshawn and say he's a stand up guy) and can attest to his behavior, but that doesnt seem to matter to you. your whole arguments are laughable. this entire time i have been laughing at your feeble attempts to argue with me. step off son, you cant compete with me. look at your last post. you admitted that you are cheering for Owens just because he plays for the Cowboys (at first you denied it), you still managed to duck my main point of argument and you sound like a man who has nothing to say but cry. it's okay, you're not the first person (i love sports messageboards..) that i made sound silly. just another victim....

as for the Steelers. they are a great team, but they wont repeat. i do agree that losing Palmer is not the reason why the Bengals lost to the Steelers, but it did hurt their cause. i think next year's SuperBowl participants will be the SF 49ers and Tennessee Titans. you know i'm just playin.......i have no idea right now who will win. i am looking forward to the draft. it should be very interesting.

This clown. Declaring victory for himself. I don't know if you can't read or what. I like T.O. I'm a Cowboy fan. I cheer T.O. because he's in Dallas, of course. I would have cheered him in other places. You don't know Keyshawn. As I said before he has no knowledge of your existence. If I meet a celeb for a few minutes, I guess I'll know them too right. We'll be the best of friends. When you get info from someone who knows Keyshawn on a personal level then come talk to me. And you tell me to think before I write? To have something to back it up? You say Rosenhaus was T.O.'s agent when he signed with the Eagles from the bery beginning. I didn't need to look it up, I already knew. There are other sources to get sports info other than the internet. I only throw out facts when I know something for sure. You on the other hand have had to be corrected so much I don't even know why the f*ck you are still talking. You tell me to get my sh*t straight? Bitch please. And I knew Keyshawn wrote a f*ckin' book, I just never read the sh*t. I will be buying T.O.'s book this summer however. If Keyshawn talked about his teammates, so what. Those are his opinions and maybe they are true. Or what, do you know every person he spoke of in the book? You don't know how every other player on that team felt about Keyshawn, Wayne, or any other person. I have some tips for you too. When you try to use my words against me don't just take little phrases out as evidence. Use the whole quote. Or read the entire f*ckin post if that's the case. I said a lot about T.O. and you pull out a few words. You think you've "beat me," as if this is some f*ckin' challenge. On the FACTUAL BASED sh*t, you aren't even on the charts, still working your way on. The best fact you try to throw out is that T.O. didn't play in the playoffs, which was breaking news to the entire world. You get your facts straight before you tell me to correct anything. I know my shit and could sit face to face with you and tear you apart. If I get something right give me mine. Don't try to diminish anything I've done or proved just because you were wrong. You are a clown bitch.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Carson was the second best QB in the league last year. When he got injured so early it took a lot away from the Bengals. Don't hate on Carson because he'll be giving that division and the rest of the AFC hell for the duration of his career.

 

[slacker2114]

Ah, so it's Steelers bashing you want to do. By all means, start a new thread about it. I'll be MORE than happy to embarass anyone who wants to run their mouths. I mean, c'mon, you're bringing up things that the Steelers did when I was too young to even know what football was. Not to mention it was a different NFL then as well. I'm quite sure all the 'dirty' plays weren't all done by the Steelers.

As far as the refs handing them the game, you people must have bad reception down under. I may be a Steelers fan, but I'm a football fan first and I wouldn't want to see ANY team lose because of bad officiating, especially in the big game. Apart from the low block call on Hasselbeck, all the calls made by the refs were legit. Seattle simply self-destructed in the second half. Live with it.

And oh my, we got Bungles bandwagon jumpers. Cincy was so great this year, eh? hmmmm....I seem to recall Pittsburgh and Cincinatti splitting their regular season games this past season. The Bengals still have a long way to go before they can prove they have what it takes and that this season wasn't just a fluke. Personally, I'd bet more on the Browns getting over .500 this season than on Cincy doing a playoff repeat. Maybe they should've picked up TO.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Ah, so it's Steelers bashing you want to do. By all means, start a new thread about it. I'll be MORE than happy to embarass anyone who wants to run their mouths. I mean, c'mon, you're bringing up things that the Steelers did when I was too young to even know what football was. Not to mention it was a different NFL then as well. I'm quite sure all the 'dirty' plays weren't all done by the Steelers.

As far as the refs handing them the game, you people must have bad reception down under. I may be a Steelers fan, but I'm a football fan first and I wouldn't want to see ANY team lose because of bad officiating, especially in the big game. Apart from the low block call on Hasselbeck, all the calls made by the refs were legit. Seattle simply self-destructed in the second half. Live with it.

And oh my, we got Bungles bandwagon jumpers. Cincy was so great this year, eh? hmmmm....I seem to recall Pittsburgh and Cincinatti splitting their regular season games this past season. The Bengals still have a long way to go before they can prove they have what it takes and that this season wasn't just a fluke. Personally, I'd bet more on the Browns getting over .500 this season than on Cincy doing a playoff repeat. Maybe they should've picked up TO.

There are a lot of people who feel that the officials made a lot of bad calls that hurt the Seahawks. I mean there are fans and people who get paid to write about and follow sports who all feel the same way. None of it really matters and I don't care anyway. It was a boring Super Bowl and I felt that the Seahawks proved that the AFC doesn't dominate the NFC, even if they lost. And just because someone gives a player froma another team a compliment doesn't make them a bandwagoner. I'm a football fan too and think Carson is that damn good. The Bengals have the best QB and WR in there division, both in the top 5 in each of there positions. Probably the best RB too, depends on what Jamal Lewis does this season. They won the division and will compete with Pittsburgh again this year and years beyond.

 

[tickletoy3]

I mean, c'mon, you're bringing up things that the Steelers did when I was too young to even know what football was. Not to mention it was a different NFL then as well. I'm quite sure all the 'dirty' plays weren't all done by the Steelers.

Do you even care about a team's history? Offenses and defenses may have changed over time, but basic fundamentals never will. The facts I have given you are the Steeler fundamentals in practice.

As far as the refs handing them the game, you people must have bad reception down under. I may be a Steelers fan, but I'm a football fan first and I wouldn't want to see ANY team lose because of bad officiating, especially in the big game. Apart from the low block call on Hasselbeck, all the calls made by the refs were legit. Seattle simply self-destructed in the second half. Live with it.

Reception is just fine here. In fact, everytime I watch ESPN and a Steeler is a guest, they always get asked about the 'calls'. EVERY ONE of them avoids the question or says something like "the refs did what they had to do". Didn't Ben himself admit he didn't score at the goaline???

 

[primetime]

tickle fiend, you are so lost in your own posts, i dont think you even remember what the hell you wrote to start this whole thing. at least i think you are finally admitting that your whole "T.O. got the Eagles to the Super Bowl" spiel was stupid, because little boy, you know you are completely out of whack with that one.

gee, we are getting very emotional arent we? like i said before, you are nothing but a "run off at the mouth fan" with no real knowledge. i told you from the beginning that you are only supporting Owens and think he is "sincere" because he is playing for the Cowboys. go back, read your own damn posts and you were arguing that you would cheer for Owens no matter what. then you said if he played for another division rival, you wouldnt wish him well. look kiddo, figure out what you are trying to argue for before you DARE step to me. i take people like you, make you look like a complete crying emotional fool (mission accomplished) and expose you for your lack of knowledge and overall "smarts". think i'm wrong? why are you calling me a "clown bitch" and using profanity in your posts and not STICKING to debating your arguments? because you damn well know you are WRONG. you started with the whole "primetime and ticklingfeet4fu" should get married stuff. that my "limited intelligience" friend shows the signs of a man who knows he just got "knocked out" on a debate. your points a feeble, your own words are moronic and now, you are getting all worked up over a debate that you CANT WIN. i am sitting here laughing at you.

my goodness man, look at yourself. do you look in the mirror and wonder "why am i dumb when it comes to sports?". i have been asking that question about you this entire thread. i do admit, you were right about Drew Rosenhaus. big deal. you got ONE thing right. however, since you claimed that i should pay attention to all of your words, how about you do the same?

how, you ask? well, go back, read my post about Keyshawn. did i or did i not say i met the man? did i or did i not say i know people who KNOW Keyshawn on a personal level? i'll let you figure that out before you hang yourself again. you'll see just how stupid you can get. after all, if you did meet a celebrity and they treated you badly, what would your opinion be of that person? yeah, it wouldnt be good would it? also, if people are debating sports, it IS A CHALLENGE to win or not. why else would people debate? man, i feel sorry for you sometimes.

by the way, you STILL NEVER answered the question about exactly how did Owens get the Eagles to the Super Bowl despite the fact that he never played in the NFC title game? that my poor emotionally challenged friend, is the key to this whole episode. can you do it? let me guess, you're going to come back at me by calling me profane names and avoiding this last paragraph entirely. face it, i own you in this debate. OWN you.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

tickle fiend, you are so lost in your own posts, i dont think you even remember what the hell you wrote to start this whole thing. at least i think you are finally admitting that your whole "T.O. got the Eagles to the Super Bowl" spiel was stupid, because little boy, you know you are completely out of whack with that one.

gee, we are getting very emotional arent we? like i said before, you are nothing but a "run off at the mouth fan" with no real knowledge. i told you from the beginning that you are only supporting Owens and think he is "sincere" because he is playing for the Cowboys. go back, read your own damn posts and you were arguing that you would cheer for Owens no matter what. then you said if he played for another division rival, you wouldnt wish him well. look kiddo, figure out what you are trying to argue for before you DARE step to me. i take people like you, make you look like a complete crying emotional fool (mission accomplished) and expose you for your lack of knowledge and overall "smarts". think i'm wrong? why are you calling me a "clown bitch" and using profanity in your posts and not STICKING to debating your arguments? because you damn well know you are WRONG. you started with the whole "primetime and ticklingfeet4fu" should get married stuff. that my "limited intelligience" friend shows the signs of a man who knows he just got "knocked out" on a debate. your points a feeble, your own words are moronic and now, you are getting all worked up over a debate that you CANT WIN. i am sitting here laughing at you.

my goodness man, look at yourself. do you look in the mirror and wonder "why am i dumb when it comes to sports?". i have been asking that question about you this entire thread. i do admit, you were right about Drew Rosenhaus. big deal. you got ONE thing right. however, since you claimed that i should pay attention to all of your words, how about you do the same?

how, you ask? well, go back, read my post about Keyshawn. did i or did i not say i met the man? did i or did i not say i know people who KNOW Keyshawn on a personal level? i'll let you figure that out before you hang yourself again. you'll see just how stupid you can get. after all, if you did meet a celebrity and they treated you badly, what would your opinion be of that person? yeah, it wouldnt be good would it? also, if people are debating sports, it IS A CHALLENGE to win or not. why else would people debate? man, i feel sorry for you sometimes.

by the way, you STILL NEVER answered the question about exactly how did Owens get the Eagles to the Super Bowl despite the fact that he never played in the NFC title game? that my poor emotionally challenged friend, is the key to this whole episode. can you do it? let me guess, you're going to come back at me by calling me profane names and avoiding this last paragraph entirely. face it, i own you in this debate. OWN you.

As I've said before, you don't speak for me. I really don't care what you think I think or what you think of me. I can't help how you feel about my words. You may feel I'm getting emotional, oh well. You are a clown to me. I wasn't calling you a "clown bitch," I called you a clown. You were a bitch from the very beginning. You have your feeling about this debate and I have mine. You can delcare yourself "winner" all you want. You can misread my statements and make arguements without having your facts straight. To sum up my statements on T.O., obviously it wasn't clear enough for you the other 81 time, there are teams I would cheer T.O. and teams I wouldn't. There are only a handful of teams I wouldn't cheer for him and thats because I don't like the team. I was right on Drew Rosenhaus. I was right on Keyshawn's "incident" in Dallas, the one you said he was discliplined for not being a team player. I wrote me thoughts and you can continue to try and convince me of what I'm really thinking. You've tryed to school me on my Cowboy information and this whole T.O. thing when you were the one being corrected throughout this entire disagreement, yet you tell me I don't have any sports knowledge. You can declare yourself winner, King, or any other title because no one gives a f*ck. I've said my piece and you can take it for what it's worth. Right now I'm am very calm and in a good mood, as I always am. And bitch, you are still a clown.

 

[primetime]

you didnt call me a "clown bitch"? and you say i dont read posts.

it is obvious you didnt read my full post. still failing to answer the question huh? again, "simpleton" (see, i can call you names too!), how did Owens get the Eagles to the SuperBowl if he didnt play the game that would get them there?

you go around saying that i dont know anything and you claim you proved it with Rosenhaus and Keyshawn's "issue" in 2005. YET, you fail to answer simple questions to prove your own point and the simple fact that i even said i met Keyshawn and i KNOW people you KNOW him and can confirm my impression of him. why are you denial? your whole freakin argument in this thread revolves around two trouble makers and when it comes time for you to even prove your points, you fail miserably and try to direct the argument away from it. classic signs of someone who knows he got in way over his head. it's okay son, i'm used to exposing people like you. you say you are "correcting me", but yet, you still fail to prove your own points. the high point of this thread was NOT about when Rosenhaus became Owens' agent, the high point was NOT about Keyshawn's discipline problem, the high point is your stance that Owens got the Eagles to the Super Bowl.

if you want to go around and pound your fist on your chest because you got "cheapie" points right, go ahead. this debate is about why people think Owens will fail and in your own feeble arguments, you brought up a point that you cant even prove. people have brought up Owens' past with TWO teams, but that goes over your head. you claimed that Owens is the reason got to the Super Bowl, DESPITE the fact that Owens didnt play in the NFC title game. that is EXACTLY where this thread went "awry" and you cant even prove your point. i told you that you only support Owens because he is a Cowboy, which of course you denied, because you will cheer for Owens even if he wasnt a Cowboy. then, you changed your story and said if he played for divisional rivals, you wouldnt cheer him on. uh, hello? Earth to tickle fiend, that proves my point about you and you even acknowledged finally. so go ahead, piss and moan and be emotional, but the bottom line is, i own you, and until you prove your stance, why should you even bother posting? right now, your only thing is name calling and behaving like a little girl. prove me wrong. try becoming a MAN and prove your own damn point. you cant, can you? dont run away kiddie. and you call me a bitch.....