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The "Goodbye TMF" Thread

Krokus

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For us true "old school" members, who were around in the EZ boards era...

Those of of us who miss the golden days of the TMF... the time when we could say what we please, and act how we saw fit, no matter how outlandish at the time...

Dedicated to the death of the one place, where we could truly be ourselves, no matter what anyone fucking thought, no matter how "politically incorrect", no matter how "intolerable", no matter how extreme. In those days we could always be who we were.

How far the mighty have fallen!



I, like many others, will always remember this place for what it used to be. To all the new "veterans" ... If you had known how this place of refuge once was... Your opinion of the "TMF" would be far different...


I have a long, colorful history with this website. I have many names here.


Without nearly an ounce of regret, I can finally say goodbye to this place, once and for all.



ShiningIce; I'm sorry.



I am not looking for attention. Not looking for replies. Just wanted to say it.
 
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For us true "old school" members, who were around in the EZ boards era...

Those of of us who miss the golden days of the TMF... the time when we could say what we please, and act how we saw fit, no matter how outlandish at the time...

Dedicated to the death of the one place, where we could truly be ourselves, no matter what anyone fucking thought, no matter how "politically incorrect", no matter how "intolerable", no matter how extreme. In those days we could always be who we were.

How far the mighty have fallen!



I, like many others, will always remember this place for what it used to be. To all the new "veterans" ... If you had known how this place of refuge once was... Your opinion of the "TMF" would be far different...


I have a long, colorful history with this website. I have many names here.


Without nearly an ounce of regret, I can finally say goodbye to this place, once and for all.



ShiningIce; I'm sorry.



I am not looking for attention. Not looking for replies. Just wanted to say it.

Goodbye Mr Krokus.

I only lurked at the old TMF for most of the time, and then when I joined, I was promptly banned for being an ass I think (or underage?). So not sure if it was the melting cup of tolerance of which you speak.

Do you not want to stay? After all - 80,000 men and one AnnieHall and CrystalLight is not a bad ratio. Although I should warn you. I think that they both fancy me, so you might be out of luck.

From the way that they ignore me, I can tell that Crystal Light and Annie Hall want me







































to fuck off
 
I may have only joined recently but have been lurking since the earlier era. And the change in TMF is gradual, almost unnoticeable, but once you stop and think, you know it has changed. Not up to me to say better or worse.

And I echo Babyshambles' 80000:2 sentiment.
 
For us true "old school" members, who were around in the EZ boards era...

Those of of us who miss the golden days of the TMF... the time when we could say what we please, and act how we saw fit, no matter how outlandish at the time...

Dedicated to the death of the one place, where we could truly be ourselves, no matter what anyone fucking thought, no matter how "politically incorrect", no matter how "intolerable", no matter how extreme. In those days we could always be who we were.

How far the mighty have fallen!



I, like many others, will always remember this place for what it used to be. To all the new "veterans" ... If you had known how this place of refuge once was... Your opinion of the "TMF" would be far different...


I have a long, colorful history with this website. I have many names here.


Without nearly an ounce of regret, I can finally say goodbye to this place, once and for all.



ShiningIce; I'm sorry.



I am not looking for attention. Not looking for replies. Just wanted to say it.

i dont no you , but you some this NEW place up
as you said before you could do what you wanted to do
NOT NOW , no its all just be nice and all that shit
hell a thread i posted in got closed because i said one word ***
anyway see ya 🙂
 
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ALL things change over the course of time. It's simple evolution. Some people like it, some do not, some accept it and others fight it. Is the TMF better now or was it better in the past? I have my opinions, as we all do.
If your leaving Krokus, I wish you well.
 
Krokus, please PM me if you should still happen by.
 
i dont no you , but you some this NEW place up
as you said before you could do what you wanted to do
NOT NOW , no its all just be nice and all that shit
hell a thread i posted in got closed because i said one word ***
anyway see ya 🙂

If the thread you're talking about is Cid's "Why I Love The TMF" one from Tickling Discussion then I believe you're giving yourself far too much credit. That got closed because it was a complete non-entity; your faggotry was simply the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

The TMF has changed. It's changed a lot. There are two things to be done about this; accept it, or move on. Or possibly buy it out or something and change it. Or maybe even start your own forum. One thing not to do is piss and moan because, seriously, nobody cares.
 
K-man, why now? I didn't even know you were still around all this time...you haven't been posting much...

Don't leave dude. This place ain't nuthin' without you, bro.

Cheers...from one old veteran to another. :slapfight:
 
The TMF has changed. It's changed a lot. There are two things to be done about this; accept it, or move on. Or possibly buy it out or something and change it. Or maybe even start your own forum. One thing not to do is piss and moan because, seriously, nobody cares.
I do asshole. Krokus is an old friend of mine. You might learn, in time, what that means when you have more than 66 posts to your credit.

'nuff said. :scaredofmods:
 
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I will miss you my old friend.....

Things change...we work around them....But we never really were as free to do whatever or say whatever..I know..when I was a mod we were actually a lot tougher back then...we had to be...

No need for us to want to go off on people and create hurt feelings... We can still have fun here and ignore that which we dont like and participate in what we enjoy.....There is plenty for everyone here...

But if you choose to leave so be it as we are free to make that decision as well...As I said...there are many of us who will miss you....

Stay in touch.... [email protected]
 
If the thread you're talking about is Cid's "Why I Love The TMF" one from Tickling Discussion then I believe you're giving yourself far too much credit. That got closed because it was a complete non-entity; your faggotry was simply the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

The TMF has changed. It's changed a lot. There are two things to be done about this; accept it, or move on. Or possibly buy it out or something and change it. Or maybe even start your own forum. One thing not to do is piss and moan because, seriously, nobody cares.

ok newschool , when did you join this forum oh 2008 you no alot then
 
IN support of Mister sCRUFF

ok newschool , when did you join this forum oh 2008 you no alot then

Hey, THAT proves nothing. My joining date is 2005 or something, yetI actually first joined inat least 2001 pn the old ez boards and have gone by at least two other names.
 
Stay on topic please, if you want to argue about who was here first and what it means, start a new thread or take it to PM 🙂
 
Moses25 said:
I do asshole. Krokus is a old friend of mine. You might learn, in time, what that means when you have more than 66 posts to your credit.
jk666uk said:
ok newschool , when did you join this forum oh 2008 you no alot then

Oh lol. "STFU NOOB". If either of you are older than 17 I will officially abandon my faith in humanity.

Srsly though I thought we'd agreed sometime last year that "QUITTING THE TMF FOREVAR" posts were bad news?

Don’t forget that the Scouse move in mystical ways and go by many a name. :yessir:

:evil:
 
Hey, THAT proves nothing. My joining date is 2005 or something, yetI actually first joined inat least 2001 pn the old ez boards and have gone by at least two other names.

all i am saying is your joined date 2005 and you say you were here in 2001
what were your old usernames then ???????
 
Hello all,

Point #1: Stop slagging each other in this thread or I'll close it.

Aside #1: Gee I used to type that a lot in the 'golden old days'. Ah memories. Perhaps things have not changed as much as many think. But only how things are handled. Much much more quietly then the early days when I'd walk the halls here clonking every post I saw that was troublesome in public.

Point #2: I'm sorry to see any member leave the forum. I find it sad that anyone feels unwelcome here. And sadder that it's over the fact that the TMF has 'changed'.

Why?

Because the changes the TMF has seen in it's eight years have been changes that have realized the vision that I and others laid out back in '00.

Yes, we've moved TOWARDS what everyone back then seemed to want.

Go and poke about in the threads posted in those sun dappled golden years.

The first thing that will strike you is the energy of the discussions, and the involvement of so many people. Well a core of about forty people. Why? It was all new. Never before had a place existed where people who enjoyed tickling could just talk about it, and have control over the threads they spoke in. People ran with it. Discovered others like them, and friendships grew and formed.

And it's those friendships that I think many people like the OP in this thread are remembering and wishing for when they talk about the forums 'changes'.

The next thing you'll note about those glittering days is that most threads swung on a handful of topics "Am I that different?" "Where can I find WOMAN!" and "Can I have free clips?" Most things can be traced back to then.

Well eight years have given us more clips then most want to look at. The web changed so much that there is so much tickling porn out there that no one can even keep track. Once I prided myself on being able to ID the producer and even name of any clip. Now, fat chance. So you guys got your media. And heck thats not even talking about the image, art, and story forums which are stuffed full of tent popping goodness.

Most users found out they were not so different, nor were they alone. 70,000 more people sure take the edge off that one. And as these vets found they were not alone they made connections, founded gatherings, and stepped up as community members. They made the TMF more then a one-stop spluge inducing destination. They added humanity to GenDis, amused each other in Silly Stuff, and annoyed us all in P&R.

Folk found they were not alone. In fact they got to find out that so many other people liked ticking, that "Hey! I don't like some of these people and their outlooks!" became an option, rather then clinging to the five others you once only knew and excused all because they LIKED TICKLING.

And the women... Ah the ladies.

Folks always wanted to know where to find these rare birds who liked to be tickled. It was a constant. Frustration, and tears at the lack. And when brave pioneers of the softer gender wandered in, they quickly learned to be tough and able to handle themselves. QB, Mimi, Lite, Narin, Josie, NJJen were all in this wave. All took no shit. I remember all of them banging on folks at different times. Most only did it as a last resort, and often seemed very hesitant to do so, as if they were breaking some social rule. Most were quite about the small annoyances and saved their attacks for the real big stuff.

Today we have more women then I can count. But just off the top of my head I can name many: Classy, Hotel, Crystallight, Annie, Euphoric, Brighteyes, Purrbast, Siera and on and on. (No slight intended for not naming you ladies, I'm typing fast here!)

And these women speak up for themselves and take no shit like the ones before them. But they also have the attitude that the new generation that grew up with the web as a basic part of their life has, that those that proceeded them had to learn. This new generation of ladies came pre-equipped to fight with the guys online when they felt slighted. They do not ignore the small stuff. They call the men (and each other) on things quickly.

This is a social change. That goes well beyond the TMF, and is also, I realize, a huge digression. But it matters. It changes the atmosphere of male-female relations here. And it may not be to Vet's taste.

On point, you guys got the ladies. But they are not the quiet tickle toys that you dreamed of. They are complex folks that like any relationship take work and energy to get to know and build any thing of value with. The wishworld people DO answer, but they always put the spin on it, eh?

I get that Vet's miss the feeling of connection and friendship they felt here.

Where did it go?

Well the new folks did not eat it. They came and made their own connections and friends and in their own ways (which seem to involve LOL talk, and lots of polls, and a willingness to be real frank about sex)

The old Vet's got busy with life. They got satisfied with their fetish. Let's use Lite and Kwildoctor as examples. Both were active here all the time 'back then'. Now? Not so much. What happened? They MET AND GOT MARRIED. most of the tickling in their life is now handled in the bedroom they share. Did they forget their friends here? No. But with work and shit, it's harder to carve out time to come here, when the reason you once came her for is so filled at home.

Other Vet's quietly vanished. Into busy lives, or into personal problems, or perhaps simply into satisfaction, who knows? It's what goes on in social systems. The old slowly dwindles, and new appears. As the new is active, it's the new's outlook and attitudes that come to define the place.

You feel on the outs now?

Wait ANOTHER eight years. We'll have a new generation active here then, and I bet they will drive THIS gen of users nuts. New social rules will come to the fore, and todays will seem quaint. And so the wheel turns.

Social systems are constantly evolving. If they don't, they die. Find a hobby where the average person is 50+ in age, and see what it gets like when tomorrow is always exactly like last week. It's safe and comfortable for those there, but it's also a slowly dying ballon that will pass away without notice. (Gee talk to any old time radio show collectors of late?)

Living communities such as the TMF will always be changing because our members are changing. The 'new blood' that is age 18-26 now has brought things that we founders never dreamed of. We who built this place can either accept the strengths that come with this energy, or fight the battle of inertia. Trying to keep things the same forever. We chose growth.

Is it comfortable? Is it safe?

No. No.

But is it rich? Is it full of possibility?

Richer then ever, and for those willing to try a true golden age of getting the brass ring. (Ask Goth and Siera)

Krokus, I'm sorry that you feel you are without the friends that made this place special. And that you don't want to meet the new folks (which involves meeting them on THEIR terms, not yours) But thats what happens when you get older. The world changes around us. I feel it every day. I went from being 35 to almost 43 in my time as Tzar and there are days I feel every day of it.

But I can't keep the year 2000 happening here on the TMF as if it's a part of the archipeligo of lost years. The TMF lives by the clock, and it moves ahead a day at a time just like we all do. The past is great. But so is now. You simply need to move your gaze from then to now, and see the great things within the grasp of anyone who invests the energy to try. Is it all going to be to your liking? No. But then it wasn't all wine and roses in '00 either, I remember I was there.

I hope you choose to stay.

Be well,
Myriads
 
Krokus,

Though we've had some arguments in the past, I'm glad that we resolved them and I'm pleased to count you as a great friend. We'll keep in touch.

I feel like I completely understand your reasons and I do agree. Over the first six years the forum changed and grew and evolved as one might expect. Over the last year, it has changed radically.

As I see it, the TMF is at a crossroads. We'll either remember what made this a great forum to begin with and go back to grass roots, where everybody was considered valuable, regardless of how one's views aligned with the mainstream; or we'll continue along this new path of building a socio-political, heirarchical caste system, in which one's level is determined by a) one's position on BDSM; b) one's willingness to inveigle and patronize the "right people; c) one's willingness to refrain from showing public support for the "wrong" people.

Time will tell.
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The old Vet's got busy with life. They got satisfied with their fetish. Let's use Lite and Kwildoctor as examples. Both were active here all the time 'back then'. Now? Not so much. What happened? They MET AND GOT MARRIED. most of the tickling in their life is now handled in the bedroom they share. Did they forget their friends here? No. But with work and shit, it's harder to carve out time to come here, when the reason you once came her for is so filled at home.

Other Vet's quietly vanished. Into busy lives, or into personal problems, or perhaps simply into satisfaction, who knows? It's what goes on in social systems. The old slowly dwindles, and new appears. As the new is active, it's the new's outlook and attitudes that come to define the place.

You feel on the outs now?

Wait ANOTHER eight years. We'll have a new generation active here then, and I bet they will drive THIS gen of users nuts. New social rules will come to the fore, and todays will seem quaint. And so the wheel turns.

I think you really hit the nail on the head there Myriads. Some of the "older" folks have gone by the way side over time and these were reasons I had always suspected. Real life always determines what we do with our interests and hobbies.

I do think in eight years time (in 2016), that the current load of newbies will be bitching about the new people coming in then. Any of those of us who may still be around from the "original" generation will be looked upon as positively ancient with our outdated views and rememberences. Its just how evolution works.

Personally, I've always felt a bit out of place in the TMF right from the begining, due to my age. I was in my early 20's at the time of the TMF formation and it seemed that all of the regular posters were a bit older than me. Due to the 18 being the legal age thing, hardly anyone was younger than me. I had a hard time relating to the regular posters due to my not having much in common with them and I didn't want to seem like I was trying to force myself to fit in. I ended up being a lurker for YEARS.

Nowadays, there are people around of a variety of ages and I finally started posting because it felt more comfortable. People my age were lacking back in 2000/2001, at least as active posters. Now, as some of the "originals" quietly disappear or make an "I'm leaving" announcement, it seems those who were older than me are disappearing and are replaced by people a good decade younger than me.

While I once felt like everyone was older and more sophisticated than me, back in the day, now I find myself unable to sometimes understand what the newbies are even typing! What is "Lawl"? In eight years time, I may no longer be around either, simply due to the fact that I won't know what the new people are saying...but I hope I would have found someone to share my interests with instead.

It's not good or bad, it's just evolution. It happens.
 
As I see it, the TMF is at a crossroads. We'll either remember what made this a great forum to begin with and go back to grass roots, where everybody was considered valuable, regardless of how one's views aligned with the mainstream; or we'll continue along this new path of building a socio-political, heirarchical caste system, in which one's level is determined by a) one's position on BDSM; b) one's willingness to inveigle and patronize the "right people; c) one's willingness to refrain from showing public support for the "wrong" people.

Gee, I'm on a veritable posting roll today.

I'm quoting the above as an example of how a viewpoint can come to reflect expectations so tightly that all that comes along is forced into the result that the owner of it wants.

"Go back to where everybody was considered valuable, regardless of how one's views aligned with the mainstream?"

In that golden age that the OP is speaking of, the Mainstream was everyone here. The first folk who came here, as I said above, were happy to find others who liked tickling, and accepted all comers as, when you are few, all who share your base view are welcome. When a community starts all one needs is the basic 'ticket' of the communities central point to feel a part of things.

But as things grow and more and more folks arrive, soon there is a huge variety of people within the community and people start to group with those that share other qualities they find enjoyable beyond the base first base one that first brought them here.

You get subgroups or 'cliques' it's basic social community development. It happens across platforms and peoples. It's how humans sort themselves when they feel they have a choice to do so. The eight years of growth here have provided that choice.

We are bigger. It has effects. Not much to be done there.

From here we now move onto specific issues that the OP seems to see in the current TMF community. Let's look at each.

a) BDSM:

Odd one to start with, but perhaps something visible more then others to the OP for some reason.

The vast majority of people who are active here have said NOTHING about BDSM one way or another. I am clueless as to the vast majority of users tastes when it comes to the old slap'n'tickle. Why? They don't talk about it in public. And thus it's a non issue to them.

Some folks do like BDSM here. Tickling wears the sadists glove nicely, and as it's a fetish that produces an energetic response, ropes and cuffs seem to be needful at times. So like we see with lovers of feet, we get fair crossover.

Are there folks who champion their specific taste for tickling+BDSM? Yup. As there are those who want to tickle others wives, or love bellybuttons, or are all about knowing if celebrity 'X' giggles when feathered. And what do all these groups do on the TMF? TALK about it. On a discussion forum. Imagine!

If you dislike BDSM then one will be more sensitive to seeing it, and it will seem as if it's everyplace (You got S&M in my tickling! Wait there is tickling in my S&M... hmmm that's sorta cool...WAIT NOOO!) and it will be something that comes to bother you more and more.

But like any topic here, it's not in everything. It's only in a fraction of things. A quick look in TKDis 1st page shows far more topics with no BDSM then ones with.

But to the average TMFer I doubt that they have been excluded from anything because of a stand on BDSM. Anyone out there feel this way? Send me a PM in private I'd like to see your take.

Now if they proceed to follow BDSM discussion about the forum and try to disrupt it, and trouble those that like, or are curious about it, then they might loose some access. Just as would a member who was disrupting talk about celebrities or sharing tips on waterpicks. But I digress. That's for an admin sort of discussion thread.

b) one's willingness to inveigle and patronize the "right people?

Who are the right people? I'd guess they would be the folks that are part of the 'action' that you want to be part of.

If you want to look at media and such there seem to be no hurdles. tens of thousands of people silently pass through our door every day to do that.

If it's to share an idea many do that. I see no shortage of new folks posting, and getting replies. Several threads in TKDis are currently started by new users, and seeing a lot of traffic. Heck I was even drawn out of my usual silence to post in one a few days back. These users seem to be fitting in just fine.

Is it that one wants to sit at the cool table? Well then you need to talk to the 'cool' kids. It's their table to invite you to. And what do I see when I look there? People joining them all the time. Pulling names off the top of my head. Haribish! Krazydog, Skipdeedoda, and Swizzle Stick both are brand new folks that were not here a year ago in any way that was visible. Now all are joking about and talking with all the folks across all the cliques here. What let them do this when others didn't?

They talked to folks. They found ways to participate and join the others in discussion and conversation. They did not always move forward, but understood that social relationships are not built in a day. And just liking tickling is not enough these days to get the insta-pass to fitting in with any group here one desires. It gets you in the front door. What you do next is in your hands.

The social hurdles here are no harder then any community. Are they easier then an amber trapped '00 would be? Nope. We grew. A 70K member TMF is different then a 3K member TMF. And trying to treat the two as the same would be a disaster.

c) one's willingness to refrain from showing public support for the "wrong" people

I've always allowed people to support what they want here, as long as they do it within the interaction rules. Threads that break that, get closed, and people who ignore them on a consistent basis get banned. But I can think of many members who have supported viewpoints that are not the mainstream that are still here and active.

The issue is that so many of the people who choose to take a extreme view seem to also take an extreme view to presenting their points. I'm not letting the forum become disrupted. So I'll sit on disruption regardless of what side of an argument it's landing on.

In the last week we have moderated posts that have come from all sides, including that group that you singled out as having asses that need kissing to progress.

I don't look at the name when I moderate a post. And many people who have been moderated by me know this. Just as I say debate the idea not the person, I moderate the posts, not the poster. Only stepping up to actions against a poster when they continue to violate after warnings.

And even then people stay long past when most seem to think they should. I perma-ban very rarely.

Drew we are not at a crossroads today. We've been at one since day one. The number of paths that the TMF can take is many many, dare I say Myriad.

Running this place has given me a perspective on social and group dynamics like none other. I had ideas of what I wanted to happen here back in '00 and some of that has happened. Other parts are underway. But the one thing that I remember is that the people that come will have their own way of interpreting the TFM and the community that is here when they arrive. They will come with new ideas, perspectives and issues.

They ARE change. I cannot welcome them without welcoming the change they bring.

And welcome them I shall.

The past was good and bad. It allowed today to happen. It was where many of us came from. But it's the past for a reason. The world continues to change. I don't need to wait 2 weeks to see a tickling video once I order it. It can be downloaded to this very laptop in seconds. Todays new members are from that new world, and have equally different uses for what I and the staff and the Vets and you built for them.

You may not like how they use what you helped build. But then when is a parent always 100% happy with the choices their children make?

Never. But we who came first stand by to help guide, offer other perspectives, and see to the fact that the next generation continues our works. And sometimes we even smile and enjoy what has happened, embrace the amazing community that grew around us as we did what we did.

At least we can do that when we are not always looking over our shoulder at yesterday, and tripping over today as a result.

Myriads
 
These goodbye threads always make me sad. Sorry to see you go, Krokus. 🙁

The TMF has grown enormously since I joined and it is diverse enough to have room for everybody. There is no reason to leave. At worst, add some people to your Ignore list.
 
I don't want to take up a lot of space quoting both posts by Myriads,but what he said.There are times i feel out of place here and i miss some people who are no longer around.And there have been times lately when i have thought about leaving.

When push comes to shove though i need this place and the friends i have made here.Even if we don't talk to each other all that often i care about them and i know they care about me.

The younger people here have brought a new life to the forum that quite honestly was much needed.I don't pretend to understand it all,but that's ok.

The torch is being passed to a new generation to borrow a line from JFK and thank God for that.I want the TMF to be here long after i am gone and forgotten so that those who come after can find the same acceptance i have found here,warts and all.🙂
 
Why?

The first thing that will strike you is the energy of the discussions, and the involvement of so many people. Well a core of about forty people. Why? It was all new. Never before had a place existed where people who enjoyed tickling could just talk about it, and have control over the threads they spoke in. People ran with it. Discovered others like them, and friendships grew and formed.

Great point...

I wasn't around that early, but when I joined in 2002 as Laughing_Madder or Knot Amuzed (I forgot) it was a bit different than it is currently. The change was needed; change to accomodate new blood is always good. The point of this forum was to introduce the passion and recruit others who did not have a place to be open about their fetish, was it not?
 
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