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the serious discussions thread number 2

😀 [COLOR=FFEE00] I say we take all the Al Quaida soldiers and all of Saddam's soldiers, army officials and those who work under Saddam and give them 2 choices in their national language: Listen and watch tapes of Barney the purple dinosaur again and again or help feed and take care of the malnourished children in second world countries. Make sure they do not have a way to visit their 1000 virgins in heaven as well.😀 [/COLOR] 😀
 
Here's something serious I've been wanting to talk about, and the previous conversation about the bad happenings in the world help lead me to ask this question: How much control do you believe you have over your life and what happens around you? I would really like to hear everyones answers.
 
🙂 [COLOR=FF00FF] I believe we have a substantial amount of control over our own lives. I believe we have some control over others lives, depending on their relation to us. We cannot control the world around us 24/7/365. As Dr. Phil says, "We have to take control of our own lives and be responsible for them. The rest is out of our hands."[/COLOR] 😀
 
depends on where you live.

personaly i think we have a lot of control on how we live our day to day lives, at least here in america. yes there is government control all, and intervention all around us, but how we act, how we live, how we eat, how we love, is up to us. what to wear, where to shop, even the choice to go to work, or blow it off to go to the beach is in our hands.
thems my views.
steve
 
I believe that there are very few instances where you do not have a choice in some way or another... and also that your actions will affect the world around you... either by leading by example, or actually being in a position of power to make descisions.

Also I believe that god already knows what path we are going to take... and some people says that means we have no choice at all... but I don't see as being a problem... actually that could almost be an excuse "I was destined to have done that" which is not a good idea. Do the best you can, do the best for others.
 
Just my opinion but, I think we have almost complete control over our lives. I know, that seems rediculous, but think about it... We always have alternatives.

You can tell your boss to take a hike.
You can tell your parents to buzz off.
You can tell the cop who's in your face that his breath stinks.

You can do anything (or try to) that you wish to do. The down side is that you must accept the consequences of your actions. Lots of times the probable consequences are so dire that we don't consider them even close to a viable alternative to the task/situation we are trying to avoid. (For example, when the consequence is death or serious physical injury.) Still, the alternative is there, you do have some control.

I have learned that one of the traits shared by people who are almost always happy is that they accept the consequences for their actions. IMO it's because they never feel a complete loss of control.

Like I said, it's just my opinion.
 
I believe that everyone in the world has control over their personal life. I also believe that most people in the world have given their control and responsibility for themselves away with barely a murmur. This is especially true in so-called "free" countries.
 
My feelings.....

I think we have control over one thing and one thing alone: our behavoir. We don't have control over our feelings like alot of people seem to think we do. Emotions are cause and effect, we can always bury them. Okay we might have some limited control over certain aspects of life and death but that again is governed by our behavoir. I think control over ones personal life is kind of an illusion, because there are so many factors that could take that control away from you at any time. Indeed, we have influence over our life, but influence does not equal control. Just my cent in a half.
 
Re: My feelings.....

killedbyanangel said:
I think we have control over one thing and one thing alone: our behavoir. We don't have control over our feelings like alot of people seem to think we do. Emotions are cause and effect, we can always bury them. Okay we might have some limited control over certain aspects of life and death but that again is governed by our behavoir. I think control over ones personal life is kind of an illusion, because there are so many factors that could take that control away from you at any time. Indeed, we have influence over our life, but influence does not equal control. Just my cent in a half.

Interesting thoughts.

Control of a certain degree may be ceded to others, because of overt control on their part, but covert control (which is the most prevalent kind in the West) can only exist if people give away their independant thought and decision making processes to others. Most Americans and Brits did that during the war in Iraq by believeing the utter codswallop fed to them on a daily basis by various lying politicians; aided and abetted by CNN, Fox, Sky News and the BBC.

Saddam is a raving nutter, a muslim and a fundamentalist. So he must be supporting Osama right? Sadly, no. Those two hate each others guts to such a degree that Osama tried to persuade the Saudi Arabian government to let him attack Saddam's forces when he invaded Kuwait in 1990. One of Osama's conditions was that Saudi keep American troops off the Arabian peninsula. If the Saudis agreed, he would throw an attack against the Iraqi occupiers. That's the degree to which Saddam and Osama are bosom buddies.

But ask 99% of westerners and they'll believe that there is an abundance of connections between the old IRaqi regime and al-Qaeda. It was this heavy suggestion that let the West's politicians go to war in Iraq a few months ago. And the reason for hating Osama was that his bunch of suicidal lunatics were responsible for 9/11. Again not only questionable, but an explanation more full of holes than an empty cemetary.

Why am I going off on one of my well known "Conspiracy" rants? (Copyright on the capitalisation (c) goes to Myriads)Because it illustrates the point I was making earlier. Lord alone knows how many civillians and military died in the war; a war that was the military equivalent of Mike Tyson being put in the ring with the Pope. But that war could'nt have happened if everyone in the West didn't rely soley on politicians and news agencies like Claptrap No News to give them their facts.
If every sentinent citizen excercised their power of thought and rationalisation, there would'nt have been everyone agreeing with each other, because people will always have different opinions about things. But there would have been millions less people being blindly hypnotised into believeing that an act of international genocide (which many of us aren't even aware of the full details of because......surprise surprise......CNN doesn't inform us about the truth of it) was the answer to our problems with terrorists.
As a society, we gave our will and decision making responsibilities to such a degree that a horrendous slaughter was the result. A slaughter that would'nt have happened if we hadn't given our sentinence away to the people we blindly cheer for every 4 or 5 years in the first place. A classic example of just how powerful an individual citizen is possible to be.
 
Jim is correct. It's a shame that they used the American hatred of Osama (A rightfully placed hate.) and twisted it around to form a big part of the reason we attacked Saddam.
 
HisDivineShadow said:
Jim is correct. It's a shame that they used the American hatred of Osama (A rightfully placed hate.) and twisted it around to form a big part of the reason we attacked Saddam.

oh my god... are we really still stuck on this issue?
it doesn't matter any more, the good guys won, that's all that counts!
the bad guy lost, and is out of power, and on the run (or dead), the why we did it is not germain anylonger.
really hds, jim, et al; guys let it go, this will only cause you frustration, and anger, and hair loss, and impotense. it's not worth it.
steve
 
areenactor said:


oh my god... are we really still stuck on this issue?
it doesn't matter any more, the good guys won, that's all that counts!
the bad guy lost, and is out of power, and on the run (or dead), the why we did it is not germain anylonger.
really hds, jim, et al; guys let it go, this will only cause you frustration, and anger, and hair loss, and impotense. it's not worth it.
steve

Sorry man, I know it's an old issue. At the time though, I could'nt think of an example that would illustrate my point more effectivley. So long as the hair loss isn't "down there, I'll be okay. 😉


Big Jim (Who's already losing it up top.)

P.S. Interesting that people consider this as a good guy Vs. bad guy scenario though. Considering the crimes committed internally and internationally by the family currently at the reign of American power, it looks a bit greyer than black and white to me.
 
regarding feeding of children

I used to sponsor a child through Save the Children until I became uncomfortable with the way children are used to market the program.

The fine print said my monthly contribution would go to either the child's family or the family's community. That didn't bother me. Either way I figured people were going to be helped. And if I wanted to send something special to my sponsored child (which I was encouraged to do in a rather annoying way at every holiday, start of school etc.) all I had to do was indicate my donation was specifically for her. But here was this kid who had to pretend to be my "little girl" every time I wrote her. She was obviously bright, but bored by our communication - she wrote me the same thing every time, no matter what I wrote her. I got the impression that our correspondence was an obligation, kind of like homework. My letters to her parents were ignored, and I know they spoke and understood English.

That's when it sank in that these kids were just being used to make people keep giving month and month, year after year. Giving to an organization is impersonal, and after a few months or years you may decide that you could use the money yourself, and stop giving; but giving to a child with a name and a face - how can your conscience let you stop? But in many instances the children are marketing tools to garner funds for regional improvements, like farm equipment or school computers. The end result is valuable, but the means are so manipulative they made me (a marketing person myself) a little queasy. Nowadays I send most of my donations to Second Harvest and local food banks.
 
EQ you got it right on the button. I think they definatley exploit the kids; even if it is supposed to be for their own good.
 
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