the state of the current tickling industry

[TicklishBlackGuy]

My thoughts are if people quit buying the crap clips and go seek producers that provide quality content. That will help. There's plenty of smaller companies creating great stuff with girls that aren't even in the industry at all. Obviously if no one buys, they give up because they aren't making enough money to keep it going. They normally don't post their product in here either. I encourage you to go to c4s and go to the tickling category. Look at companies that have recently updated and check their sites out. Ones you never heard of creating great stuff. By the dozens. Sometimes it's a gamble but when you find the gold it rewarding. I do it all the time, while I'm waiting to finish the editing on my stuff. I have 20 videos in the queue right now. Hopefully soon I'll be back but the amount of complaining in here makes me rethink that.


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that is well said

 

[AbsolutelyTkld]

One of my favorite clips is by ticklish dolls called Ashlee gets her feet tickled while her hubbies watches! I've given up on companies like tickle abuse altogether and went for quality not quantity.

Tickle dolls isn't bad. I just like my videos to be a little more intense then what he does. But that personal preference. I'm really picky, hence why I just said screw it and started my own company. Lol

It I know plenty of us are picky as well and c4s isn't hard to navigate. Just drop into the category you want, then underneath that box is a box you can type in keywords. If you want lickling or Asian of whatever. Type that keyword under the tickling category and you see a ton of recent and even old stuff pop up I guarantee you have never seen.


People will spend their money how they want. Bottom line is, if you do a little digging you will strike a gold mine.


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[SoleMates]

So you can't find "the good stuff", because all the crap buries it on an exceptionally easy to navigate website, but when people take the initiative and actually make an account here, advertise the content, and make preview clips, it apparently does fuck all in terms of moving anything.

Precisely. We've had like three producers, myself included, posting in this thread. I've directly asked for feedback twice, and when the OP finally came back he skirted the question... because that'd require admitting that he's not familiar with a studio that's been releasing twice monthly for three years. I posted a new preview in the Videos forum barely two weeks ago, and my latest video came out yesterday... although I haven't felt like putting together a preview for it because as CE points out, they really don't do much of anything.

He did, to be fair, describe what kind of videos he likes. So instead of being a jerk, I'm going to offer up a bunch of recommendations from my catalog for him, or anyone else like him, who might have missed them the first time around. If they're not your bag, baby, that's fine... but at least now you can't say you haven't seen them.

* Before I do, though, I want to mention that I actually agree with the OP in that I've occasionally gotten a real dud of a clip, and that I don't find his preferences too out of whack. They're pretty similar to my own, in fact.

I like hardcore tickling that actually pushes a girl to her limits. The ler doesn't actually put any real effort into truly tickling a girl. I've seen so many videos where the ler barely even touches her lee.

Take a look at the expressions on these girls' faces and tell me that I'm not putting in any real effort, or that I'm barely touching them.

Lolly Gagger, "Carnival of Laughter: Parts 2/3"

Thread 1 - Thread 2

Kim, "I HATE YOU!"

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Mya, "Fifteen Minutes of Fame" (which is, by the way, fifteen minutes of NON-STOP TICKLING shot in one single take; no breaks, no cuts, no edits.)

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Mya, "Mya is Ticklish"

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Priti, "Priti Ticklish"

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Patience & Lina, "Oh FUCK!"

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They don't seem to get stressed out at all. They don't express any visible signs that they are really trying to tolerate it. They don't literally ask for a small break here and there.

I literally don't edit the safewords out of my videos most of the time, which means that you see them call it on-camera. I even posted a bonus clip a while back of nothing but models calling the safeword. (And, true to form, I had at least one guy complain that they didn't call it the "right" way. Fuckin' A, people...)

Bottom line is, if you do a little digging you will strike a gold mine.

Yup. And sometimes the vein is right on the surface, if you just open your eyes and look.

 

[weezl]

He did, to be fair, describe what kind of videos he likes. So instead of being a jerk, I'm going to offer up a bunch of recommendations from my catalog for him, or anyone else like him, who might have missed them the first time around. If they're not your bag, baby, that's fine... but at least now you can't say you haven't seen them.

I actually like a lot of the content that you produce. And just to clarify, I didn't create this thread to argue for the sake of arguing. And I didn't mean to come across as someone that is throwing every single producer out there under the bus, so to speak. There is some really good content out there, and obviously I need to do more research and broaden my horizons a bit. I like the idea earlier of going to clips4sale directly and look for lesser known producers.

2 of my favorite companies is Tickle Intensive and Stuck in the Stocks. I also like The Tickle Room

Pro Tip Producers: If you find a sensitive area on a lee, take advantage of it. And try to spend more than 10 seconds on each sensitive body part.

At the same token, what I genuinely am interested in, might scare away some girls. Because I want producers that aren't going to give girls a break the first second they start freaking out or anything as soon as they touched. I suppose, theoretically, it could be hard to find girls that really are willing to tolerate intense tickling.

 

[tickltulz]

Given the amount of thievery and piracy it's a miracle any producers even stay in the business. At least be thankful for that!

The 'state of the current tickle industry' really hasn't changed at all. It's always been on a lighter-than-air level for the most part. Anyone who delved into anything deeper would be shunned. So you wind up with what you have now. A lot of loose bondage or no bondage. Always repetitive. In most cases not cruel, not ticklish, nothing non-con, believable capture or anything that could really be called torture and the stuff we really dream about and masturbate to. HOWEVER that's just a personal taste. These producers are not BDSM tops who have that craft at their fingertips. They just want to film and sell tickle clips. They do it well. It's fun!

I like it hardcore. There's really only maybe one or two producers out there who can create that type of level with cool devices and desperation. So go there if you desire it too. Material of that nature would never be allowed on TMF. People would bitch about it. And because mainstream does not desire hardcore these producers who are actual BDSM tops only produce clips privately. The mainstream producers here are doing a great job despite the odds of piracy. I doubt any of them ever make a profit due to many of you here who acquire the clips for free. maybe if piracy came to a halt things would improve.

Light and fun. That's what sells. No harmful or over-the-top intentions. It's all that's acceptable here. So there's really only so much you can do with that type of thing. And it's all been done.

 

[ISUmark]

As someone who has been purchasing occasionally from the market for 16 years now I think the state of the industry is just fine. Literally any scenario you can imagine is out there, and in high definition. I enjoy the nostalgia of the old clips sometimes but watching one often reminds me of how good technology is these days with cameras and what not. Shit my cellphone can film a higher quality clip then a clip from a camera 10 years ago. Crazy right?

In my opinion its not market saturation or the "quality" of the material that has some people not enjoying it as much anymore but rather the simple fact that we've been exposed to quality material for so long now we are slightly more numb to it then we used to be. I know some people like to brag about having a "high" sex drive and what not, but if you tell me you react to a clip today the same way you reacted 15-20 years ago....well I wouldn't flat out call you a liar but I'd certainly look at you with apprehension.

Remember before?? When you first discovered tickle porn. You probably got flush and your naughty bits, whether male or female, would react accordingly and immediately and wouldn't stop until either you did something about it or an apocalypse happened? Well fast forward 15 or so years. The quality is amazing, the models are very attractive, and pretty much every scenario ever exists. The criticism unfairly goes to producers mostly when its the simple fact that we are just getting used to having this material available all the time. Sure....maybe a producer fucks up every once in awhile OR their particular style isn't your cup of tea. And hey that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But in my opinion the state of the "tickle industry" is just fine.

Smoke the best weed in the world 24 hours a day and eventually it wont get you high anymore. Some people just have crazy high tolerance now for quality material.

 

[FeatherEndeavor]

As someone who has been purchasing occasionally from the market for 16 years now I think the state of the industry is just fine. Literally any scenario you can imagine is out there, and in high definition. I enjoy the nostalgia of the old clips sometimes but watching one often reminds me of how good technology is these days with cameras and what not. Shit my cellphone can film a higher quality clip then a clip from a camera 10 years ago. Crazy right?

In my opinion its not market saturation or the "quality" of the material that has some people not enjoying it as much anymore but rather the simple fact that we've been exposed to quality material for so long now we are slightly more numb to it then we used to be. I know some people like to brag about having a "high" sex drive and what not, but if you tell me you react to a clip today the same way you reacted 15-20 years ago....well I wouldn't flat out call you a liar but I'd certainly look at you with apprehension.

Remember before?? When you first discovered tickle porn. You probably got flush and your naughty bits, whether male or female, would react accordingly and immediately and wouldn't stop until either you did something about it or an apocalypse happened? Well fast forward 15 or so years. The quality is amazing, the models are very attractive, and pretty much every scenario ever exists. The criticism unfairly goes to producers mostly when its the simple fact that we are just getting used to having this material available all the time. Sure....maybe a producer fucks up every once in awhile OR their particular style isn't your cup of tea. And hey that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But in my opinion the state of the "tickle industry" is just fine.

Smoke the best weed in the world 24 hours a day and eventually it wont get you high anymore. Some people just have crazy high tolerance now for quality material.

^There you go

 

[The Tickle Room]

One of the biggest issues is people being spoiled as well. When you have so many people used to amazing stocks or bondage they forget about the little guy or people from back in the day. I am and always will be a huge fan of realtickling, tickling paradise, and last laugh inc. I found the forum when I honestly felt like a monster for my fetish and realized not only was I not alone but they made VIDEOS OF IT. I was amazed and I look now and no one truly realizes that the content back then did wonders for everyone and we still love some of those old clips. The new clips can be just as good but we have become spoiled to expecting amazeballs content 24/7. I may be a producer but this is still my fetish god dammit and if I like a video I buy it. I LOVE certain videos from lower end producers like boston tickling, tickle therapy, random sole encounters, etc etc. People forget this is our fetish and its about the tickling mostly. You can film some bullshit with your camera, I see soles and a good laugh consider that shit bought! I produce my content based on finding the best laughs and most ticklish randoms I can with the occasional fetish model. I just wish people realized the tickling content never changed, but just got better. Stop being spoiled and look for those amazing laughs and thumbnails. Buy content, fuck piracy and SUPPORT the producers you actually BUY AND ENJOY content from. Don't be the asshole to comment every video "O wow looks amazing, can you do this?" yet you have never bought a clip in your life. Request a custom or buy clips then you have legs to stand on. Also if you buy content from a producer often and bash him (Tickle Abuse) then fuck you. Realize you are actually supporting an industry you dont like while hurting others who make wayyy less. As well as giving a straight up false statement because if you are buying the content that means you enjoyed something.
But I digress, buy content you ACTUALLY like. Much love from The Tickle Room ^_^

 

[AbsolutelyTkld]

One of the biggest issues is people being spoiled as well. When you have so many people used to amazing stocks or bondage they forget about the little guy or people from back in the day. I am and always will be a huge fan of realtickling, tickling paradise, and last laugh inc. I found the forum when I honestly felt like a monster for my fetish and realized not only was I not alone but they made VIDEOS OF IT. I was amazed and I look now and no one truly realizes that the content back then did wonders for everyone and we still love some of those old clips. The new clips can be just as good but we have become spoiled to expecting amazeballs content 24/7. I may be a producer but this is still my fetish god dammit and if I like a video I buy it. I LOVE certain videos from lower end producers like boston tickling, tickle therapy, random sole encounters, etc etc. People forget this is our fetish and its about the tickling mostly. You can film some bullshit with your camera, I see soles and a good laugh consider that shit bought! I produce my content based on finding the best laughs and most ticklish randoms I can with the occasional fetish model. I just wish people realized the tickling content never changed, but just got better. Stop being spoiled and look for those amazing laughs and thumbnails. Buy content, fuck piracy and SUPPORT the producers you actually BUY AND ENJOY content from. Don't be the asshole to comment every video "O wow looks amazing, can you do this?" yet you have never bought a clip in your life. Request a custom or buy clips then you have legs to stand on. Also if you buy content from a producer often and bash him (Tickle Abuse) then fuck you. Realize you are actually supporting an industry you dont like while hurting others who make wayyy less. As well as giving a straight up false statement because if you are buying the content that means you enjoyed something.
But I digress, buy content you ACTUALLY like. Much love from The Tickle Room ^_^

YESSSSS!!!


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[COOLCAT88]

Yeah, if we had clips like we have now back in the day....

 

[LBFT]

I think 95% of the tickling clip stores/video producers and tickling sites are really bad. I think most tickling sites don't understand what is best for THE CUSTOMERS! And that is what is the biggest problem with tickling products today. There's about 95% of sites/clip stores not putting the customers first. I myself have gone from spending $100's a month to maybe $35 over a 4 month period. That is less than $10 a month not good. I hope things change sooner than later.

Thank you,
LBFT

 

[Jk1974]

.. Go for quality not quantity.. JK 1974

 

[The Tickle Room]

The major issue is producers do focus on the customers. We have to cater to the majority. If you are one person wanting something simple but everyone else doesn't or maybe even just a handful of people want it but not the majority, ban the fuck together and order a custom. Request exactly what you want because the sales show otherwise. You wanna boycott a company SLAYING sales. Go ahead. They will sell anyway lmao. Trust me when I tell you that you that the 90 percent or so of producers you say are bad are TRYING TO BE BETTER. They are focusing on you guys. But when you give the producers you bitch about your money you are cursing yourself. Also how do we not focus on the customers? Is that a joke? Where are we not? Why because we don't make a video to your one comment going "tickle her armpits next k, thanks". We bust our asses to get content out. If you don't like that particular content then move on. If you like a company and their productions send them a message with some love and tell them what you liked. That would really help. Seriously cut producers some slack. They really do try

 

[TicklishBlackGuy]

The major issue is producers do focus on the customers. We have to cater to the majority. If you are one person wanting something simple but everyone else doesn't or maybe even just a handful of people want it but not the majority, ban the fuck together and order a custom. Request exactly what you want because the sales show otherwise. You wanna boycott a company SLAYING sales. Go ahead. They will sell anyway lmao. Trust me when I tell you that you that 90 percent or so you say are bad are TRYING TO BE BETTER. They are focusing on you guys. But when you give the producers you bitch about your money you are cursing yourself. Also how do we not focus on the customers? Is that a joke? Where are we not? Why because we don't make a video to your one comment going "tickle her armpits next k, thanks". We bust our asses to get content out. If you don't like that particular content then move on. If you like a company and their productions send them a message with some love and tell them what you liked. That would really help. Seriously cut producers some slack. They really do try

*drops mic and walks off stage like a badass with sunglasses* nuf said, well said

 

[brotherted]

As someone who hasn't posted on this thread yet, I'd like to say I both appreciate the OP and generally agree with it. I think there absolutely nothing wrong with a discussion about quality and don't consider all such conversations to be "whining." Seems to me, if you're annoyed by a thread about how videos could be improved and think the whole subject is whiny, just stop reading it.

Clearly, there were old videos from back in the day that sucked, as well as new ones that are good. But if I were to make a generalization about what videos today lack, I'd say it's smart, verbal, psychological teasing that accompanies what's going on physically. Seems to me once the video production becomes more like a factory, that's often the first thing to go. I'm also for airtight bondage and hardcore tickling. (If I were a producer, I'd only offer a safe word to girls that insisted on it. Some models would never think of it, and therefore wouldn't have it as a crutch. After all, millions of siblings tickle each other every day without safe words, and they haven't even signed release forms in advance!)

The intelligent, psychological verbal teasing is the most important thing that many of the newer producers never even try. "Do you like it more here... or here?" "Seriously try to not respond. Is that the best you can do?" "Tell me you're not ticklish and make it believable... We're going to need a take two." The Tickle Central Bedspread series did this the best, and no modern producer that I'm aware of has even had the sense to try. But if I'm unaware, please inform!

 

[The Tickle Room]

As someone who hasn't posted on this thread yet, I'd like to say I both appreciate the OP and generally agree with it. I think there absolutely nothing wrong with a discussion about quality and don't consider all such conversations to be "whining." Seems to me, if you're annoyed by a thread about how videos could be improved and think the whole subject is whiny, just stop reading it.

Clearly, there were old videos from back in the day that sucked, as well as new ones that are good. But if I were to make a generalization about what videos today lack, I'd say it's smart, verbal, psychological teasing that accompanies what's going on physically. Seems to me once the video production becomes more like a factory, that's often the first thing to go. I'm also for airtight bondage and hardcore tickling. (If I were a producer, I'd only offer a safe word to girls that insisted on it. Some models would never think of it, and therefore wouldn't have it as a crutch. After all, millions of siblings tickle each other every day without safe words, and they haven't even signed release forms in advance!)

The intelligent, psychological verbal teasing is the most important thing that many of the newer producers never even try. "Do you like it more here... or here?" "Seriously try to not respond. Is that the best you can do?" "Tell me you're not ticklish and make it believable... We're going to need a take two." The Tickle Central Bedspread series did this the best, and no modern producer that I'm aware of has even had the sense to try. But if I'm unaware, please inform!

There are many today that still hold psychological verbal teasing on a level of intelligence that can be sexy. My store has it, stuck in the stocks (he can be quite evil), occasionally tickle intensive has some great teasing, and many more. It's just the problem of being drowned out by the "factories" of content

 

[duderino84]

Just going slightly off the topic of video quality (I don't really look enough to find defect other than annoying laughs, rarely), if the industry of a fetish is booming, yet never finds it's way to the "radar" (average Joe Porn site), what does it say about the existence of said kink?

Considering lately we have a diverse range of perspectives on how just tickling is "doing", nevermind other fets.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

if the industry of a fetish is booming, yet never finds it's way to the "radar" (average Joe Porn site), what does it say about the existence of said kink?

I mean in one of these threads I actually had to ask, repeatedly, what's so hard about searching through C4S categories to find what you like and got no answer, so I wager it's less about being hard to find, and more than the people bitching the most just assume everyone is going to take the time to get an account here, and make a preview clip for every video they put out for sale.

I think the TMF userbase largely lives inside an early 2000s era mindset of being THE source for fetish content out there. It's just not the case anymore.

 

[duderino84]

I mean in one of these threads I actually had to ask, repeatedly, what's so hard about searching through C4S categories to find what you like and got no answer, so I wager it's less about being hard to find, and more than the people bitching the most just assume everyone is going to take the time to get an account here, and make a preview clip for every video they put out for sale.

I think the TMF userbase largely lives inside an early 2000s era mindset of being THE source for fetish content out there. It's just not the case anymore.

Guess I'm sorry I never answered that one; tickling has rised in popularity, substantially. I was thinking about other less known fetishes out there. Usually when I scroll through C4S I find that a lot of them do maybe one or two and I guess the buck stops there if they don't sell. Anyhow. The boldened part I agree with to an extent. There was a time where I was all about the previews, I think (ironically) I still have a bunch I never got around to deleting on an old hard drive. Really, I don't see why a producer wouldn't want to promote themselves on the forum; that's an easy sale for people that go through the clips section. Sometimes it's just the simple reasoning that they don't want to go to some site and see dollar signs until they actually give a shit about the clip in question. Plus, does C4S have some sort of strict time limit on previews? Most of them last about 10 seconds. 10 seconds out of a 10 minute clip? I'm probably not going to be sold. Also, finding the store in question; people aren't exactly "activists" about finding porn, I doubt they're that way with finding a C4S store.

 

[SoleMates]

As someone who hasn't posted on this thread yet, I'd like to say I both appreciate the OP and generally agree with it. I think there absolutely nothing wrong with a discussion about quality and don't consider all such conversations to be "whining."

As a whole, I agree with you, and I don't think there's a producer out there who wouldn't welcome constructive feedback on how they could improve their product. This thread is not that. The OP consisted of an unconditional declaration that the current content being produced is, unilaterally (and I quote), "garbage".

That's not a discussion. That's waltzing into the nearest Starbucks and taking a dump on the counter because you think the Vente is too large and besides, you like yours with peppermint and they didn't put any in.

And that's part of the problem; people thinking that this kind of "feedback" is in any way going to make producers listen (and if that's NOT the point of doing it, then why are they inflicting this crap on the forum as a whole? Do you think regular users want to read this shit, either?). I'll ignore the bit about how he says he didn't want to argue when called on it, because that's neither here nor there, but I think it's pretty telling that he claimed to have done "due diligence" and yet was wowed by the revolutionary suggestion that he, like, use the search bar on Clips4Sale. To extend the coffee analogy, that'd be like me asking him "Have you tried ordering a Tall and asking them to put in a shot of peppermint? They'll do that.", and him acting like he had no idea such sorcery was possible. And then, on top of it, mentioning that he doesn't really hate that particular Starbucks anyway, it's the one down the street that really bugs him.

Plus, the assertions never hold up under scrutiny. He claimed everything is crap, so I asked him what I, personally, could do to improve. Twice. That's what you guys want, right? Producers who are serious about listening to customers and implementing their suggestions? And what was his answer? "Oh, I actually like your stuff". If that's true, then why isn't, as I've asked repeatedly in the past (generally speaking), he simply buying from me and other studios he likes rather than coming here and taking a dump on the figurative counter? Has weezl actually ever even bought any of my videos? (I have no idea; so weez, if you're reading this and you can tell me what you've bought, and liked, I'll be happy to give you a free clip of your choosing. Why? Because I want to support my customers, that's why. It wouldn't be the first time I did that, either.)

Seems to me, if you're annoyed by a thread about how videos could be improved and think the whole subject is whiny, just stop reading it.

Except we get accused of not listening to you guys, so there's that. But generally speaking, I agree with you. I think "Which celebrity would you tickle?" threads are pointless and idiotic, so I don't post in them. Conversely, though, I think that this kind of passive-aggressive "calling out" should be given a moratorium, at this point; either name the producer you're talking about and explain what you think they should do better or shut the fuck up. The chorus of shitposts on this topic is getting pretty ridiculous.

(If I were a producer, I'd only offer a safe word to girls that insisted on it. Some models would never think of it, and therefore wouldn't have it as a crutch. After all, millions of siblings tickle each other every day without safe words, and they haven't even signed release forms in advance!)

The sibling analogy falls flat once you're dealing with adults running a business, dude. All it takes is one model who felt like you stepped over a line and next thing you know, nobody of any substance wants to work with you; all us producers have in this business is our reputation, and girls do talk shit about the creepy ones. Release forms, also, are not a license to abuse the talent. You don't let her go the second she says "let me go", congratulations! You're committing a felony no matter what she signed.

But if I'm unaware, please inform!

I actually consider my "banter" better than most, but that's just me. Thing is, getting that kind of chemistry and comfort with a total stranger whom you literally just met five minutes before is really difficult... and without going into a huge digression on why simply going "take two" isn't really feasible, suffice it to say that given the level of engagement this community has with even anyone who bothers to do anything beyond "factory line" content, if you think producers are encouraged to do anything above the bare minimum that nets them sales, you're wrong. I'm not going to spend all afternoon getting that "perfect take" of her insisting her feet aren't ticklish when I'm paying her by the hour and you need to shoot in bulk to have any hope of making your money back. One "high quality" clip is not going to make me break even. The half-dozen decent ones I managed to get out of the session, over a longer period of time, will. Maybe.

That's not to say you're wrong, and I think a lot of producers/models are terrible at banter. I usually watch any "talky" clips with the sound off, because it's not usually worth it otherwise.

Really, I don't see why a producer wouldn't want to promote themselves on the forum; that's an easy sale for people that go through the clips section.

No, it bloody well is not, and I'm sick of people perpetuating this lie.

Do me a favor. Click on my screen name and search for all of my started threads. No, really. Go do it now. I'll wait.

...what did you see? If you answered "tons of threads with well over a thousand views each and very little in the way of responses", you get a virtual cookie. My last three videos have not sold a single copy. All but one of them have been advertised here. Making a preview doesn't take all that long, but after doing it for as long as I have, I don't really have the drive anymore.

If even one percent (ONE FLIPPING PERCENT!) of that one-to-two-thousand viewers bought the video whose preview they fapped to, I'd be clearing $100 a month easily instead of praying I sell the fifty bucks needed to even get paid. Of the few responses I do get, I only know of maybe two of them who've actually bought videos, and that's because they told me. (And, for the record, they loved them. I have never - ever - gotten negative feedback on my product. Ever.)

("Wait Arch, you mean you only make maybe $100 a month if you're lucky? How do you even..." EXACTLY.)

What do I get for advertising here, other than carpal tunnel syndrome?

I get lumped in with all of the other producers and screamed at for "churning out garbage", and the occasional dick pic on Instagram. That's it. I had a record month when Mya debuted, and now I'm back to where I started. Her last clip has sold one copy. Or, I get laughed at for suggesting that people should have actually heard of me since they've got their fingers so square on the pulse of the industry that they feel like they're in any position to criticize it.

So, what does that tell you? I've been advertising here for three years, and the notion that I should even expect people to have heard of my studio is worth derision.

Plus, does C4S have some sort of strict time limit on previews? Most of them last about 10 seconds.

Yes. Up until the latest rollout of the Admin backend, we were only allowed to select from a dropdown that said "Beginning", "1/4", "1/2", or "3/4", and C4S would generate a ten-second preview for us starting at that point in the video. Now, we're allowed to upload our own videos, but they have to be under 50MB in size and a max of 60 seconds in length. Which is sliiiightly better in terms of duration but 50MB? You're not getting a decent HD preview out of that. For reference, my 30-second preview clips at 640x480 are usually 4-6MB.

You want a fun fact, though? I've said that before. But because not everyone sees you answer, next week someone else will post here bitching about how the previews are too short and demanding to know why. It's ridiculously draining. And yes, yes, I know. Nobody's obligating me to answer your questions, but I seriously don't think it's any better to just let people assume we're all tight-fisted assholes who don't want you to see a decent preview of our product. That's how you get three threads a week on why Tickle Abuse sucks.

Arch

 

[meangry]

I mean in one of these threads I actually had to ask, repeatedly, what's so hard about searching through C4S categories to find what you like and got no answer, so I wager it's less about being hard to find, and more than the people bitching the most just assume everyone is going to take the time to get an account here, and make a preview clip for every video they put out for sale.

I think the TMF userbase largely lives inside an early 2000s era mindset of being THE source for fetish content out there. It's just not the case anymore.

Accessibility is better than ever.

I guess the subject of quality is what it boils down to. There's a lot of people who are spoiled on stuff. There's also the idea that we have some studios pressing out content that is its own kind of generic. That's where more VOD style services where you pay a monthly fee for content always seemed to me to be the next actual iteration of the industry...but doing so equals a large bet on yourself and your company's viability in that sphere, and I don't know if many truly are willing to take that plunge.

I'm definitely more model centric in what draws me. But I also know I don't like the presentation of some studios. Then again, I like certain studios that have used static bondage devices for years. What matters to me is who is in them, how accessible and compromised they are, and stuff like that.

 

[duderino84]

No, it bloody well is not, and I'm sick of people spreading this lie.

Do me a favor. Click on my screen name and search for all of my started threads. No, really. Go do it now. I'll wait.

...what did you see? If you answered "tons of threads with well over a thousand views each and absolutely zero responses", you get a virtual cookie. My last three videos have not sold a single copy. All but one of them have been advertised here. Making a preview doesn't take all that long, but after doing it for as long as I have, I don't really have the drive anymore.

If even one percent (ONE FLIPPING PERCENT!) of that one-to-two-thousand viewers bought the video whose preview they fapped to, I'd be clearing a grand a month instead of praying I sell the fifty bucks needed to even get paid. Of the few responses I do get, I only know of maybe two of them who've actually bought videos, and that's because they told me. (And, for the record, they loved them. I have never - ever - gotten negative feedback on my product. Ever.)

What do I get for advertising here, other than carpal tunnel syndrome?

I get lumped in with all of the other producers and screamed at for "churning out garbage", and the occasional dick pic on Instagram. That's it. I had a record month when Mya debuted, and now I'm back to where I started. Her last clip has sold one copy.



Yes. Up until the latest rollout of the Admin backend, we were only allowed to select from a dropdown that said "Beginning", "1/4", "1/2", or "3/4", and C4S would generate a ten-second preview for starting at that point in the video. Now, we're allowed to upload our own videos, but they have to be under 50MB in size and a max of 60 seconds in length. Which is sliiiightly better in terms of duration but 50MB? You're not getting a decent HD preview out of that. For reference, my 30-second preview clips at 640x480 are usually 4-6MB.

You want a fun fact, though? I've said that before. But because not everyone sees you answer, next week someone else will post here bitching about how the previews are too short and demanding to know why. It's ridiculously draining. And yes, yes, I know. Nobody's obligating me to answer your questions, but I seriously don't think it's any better to just let people assume we're all tight-fisted assholes who don't want you to see a decent preview of our product. That's how you get three threads a week on why Tickle Abuse sucks.

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I appreciate your clarifications. As far as forum previews are concerned, however, I differ.

You're right, it's no guarantee for a sale. But it still informs people that you exist. Ya, I won't purchase a lot of clips just based off previews, but in the past there were some really good previews that made me get clips. C4S really had nothing to do with my purchases other than following the link to select the clip in question. Promotion is difficult, I get it, but at the same time, even if you don't "get a sale", you're still out there. I know expense wise it's two different issues but the live music scene deals with similar shit. Trying to push Web traffic to an actual URL other than facebook is difficult, establishing contacts, maintaining gear, etc. I get it's a labor of love but people are stingy as hell all across the board.

 

[SoleMates]

I appreciate your clarifications. As far as forum previews are concerned, however, I differ.

You're right, it's no guarantee for a sale.

Respectfully, you and I must be operating off of wildly differing definitions of "easy sale", then.

 

[duderino84]

Respectfully, you and I must be operating off of wildly differing definitions of "easy sale", then.

I meant easy as in "easier than trying to sell with nobody having a clue who you are ".

 

[Uktickler]

Ok here is my 2 cents worth. ;-)

I want this to be as constructive as possible, so please any producers reading this post, please please please do not take offence, I am trying to explain what I personally feel is missing and where I think things could be improved.

I think someone on here said it right when they asked / suggested, "Focus on quality not quantity." However there is an issue with that, especially if you are trying to be customer focussed. As you have to KNOW your customer very well to know SPECIFICALLY what your target audiences 'thing' is.

For example I would personally like to see more clips that include:

1. Extremely ticklish sexy girls / women.
2. Tickled out of their mind.
3. Face down / hogtied.
4. Tickled on their bare feet.

That may seem pretty specific yet it is not specific enough. My idea of extremely ticklish sexy girls may be different to the person making the clip, they may think one type of giggle is extremely ticklish whilst I might not think they are 'extremely' ticklish unless they are litterally gasping for air and begging for mercy.

Even assuming the producer does have the same concept of tickled out of their mind (and understand it to be merciless style tickling), they still might not actually have a model who is ticklish enough or who reacts to being tickled in that cant handle it need to escape type of way. I suspect most of the guys who used to spend big on clips and no longer do are like me and want to see the more intense side and that is currently lacking (bear in mind this is from my point of view, I realise there will be producers who could post examples of what they consider to be intense, but when I watch them I may well (if being honest) have to admit they are not as intense as I like.

There is hogtied and there is hogtied, the producer trying to be customer focussed might buy one of those beginner hogtie kits whilst I may have strict rope bondage in my ideal scenario.

Whilst there is not much to be mis-interpreted about tickling her bare feet, I still may not have been specific enough the producer might use feathers to get giggles when what I want to see is baby oil and a hairbrush.

None of the above is the anybodies 'fault' infact if anything it would be my fault for not being specific enough. HOWEVER I have yet to see a producer ask us to be specific with what we want and then actually listen and produce it. I remember one did a questionaire years ago which I went to great lengths to fill out only to see that producer continue to make the exact same clip format he always had and sadly (for him) closed his doors less than a year later due to lack of sales.

How I find clips to buy

1. I look for a model I find attractive and know from past experience have the reactions I like. Then search them out.

2. I browse the clips section of TMF. On that topic I honestly hate the 'new' format (I realise it is not new now), but just having the most recently posted clip at the top does now mean that any quality clips do get burried under as one producer said the mass of factory produced clips. I much preferred it where we the customers could comment on the preview clips provided usually commenting much more on the very good (And sometimes the very bad) thus keeping those near the top longer. Being at the top longer gets more views and thus gets more sales.

3. I hate the super short 10 sec previews.

4. I don't buy any clips where I have not either seen the preview or seen the model tickled elsewhere or seen another clip from that company and enjoyed it.

5. I realise producers hate their work being shared but the truth is I have on many occasion seen a full length clip for free enjoyed it and then gone to the store and bought a whole bunch of (and in some cases every clip the store had with that particular model if tickled in a position I thought I would like). Maybe I am the exception but I doubt it, I have found new stores and made many purchases as a result of someone else sharing a full length clip that I have no doubt the producer would not be happy about, but that free clip BECAUSE it was GOOD CONTENT acted as an endorsement and brought me to their store. Of course I see shared full length clips that are total garbage too and that re-enforces my need to NOT visit or buy from that store, I dont even watch the whole clip in that instance quickly scanning through and once I have established its not to my taste move on (so whilst I have 'seen' it or skim watched the producer has lost no money as I would not have bought it anyway and if I had, would have felt cheated and not bought anything else from them for fear of a repeat of poor content). Of course what I consider poor content someone else may love (please remember it is subjective) and that same clip I skim watch and move on from someone else may think is wonderful and may well go to the store and buy others from just as I do with clips I enjoy.

6. Visit safe bet stores that I know produce content that is to my personal taste and likes.

7. Sometimes try out offers, Shy&Wild do some good offers and I admit to buying £££ of clips in one purchase from them AND I have to say their customer service is EXCELLENT, the video quality (production wise) is very professional and if I select correctly (which I can as they have decent length preview clips) I can pick clips that I will enjoy.

8. Use membership sites for value - Admitedly I have develped a clear favourite with frenchticklinghd.com simply because when he does get a super ticklish model he is not afraid to tickle her to (and maybe even sometimes past) her limits which is 'my thing', whilst many (not all) other producers seem to back off too early for my taste OR I just don't discover their super ticklish models (maybe they dont have preview clips). I join that site for a month a few times a year, I have favourite models and when he realease a clip with one of those I join up again, get that clip and all the others that have been released since the previous time he released a clip I was 100% sure I would like and usually there are between 1 and 10 more that I like that I would not have bought otherwise so works out good value.


What I look for IN a clip

1. Slim, 'fit' models are my preference. << NOT ESSENTIAL

2. Pale skinned models (I love pink soles).<< NOT ESSENTIAL

3. Bare feet << ESSENTIAL (I never buy a clip where the tickle is not barefoot, infact I like any female ticklers to be barefoot too

4. Ticklee is female << ESSENTIAL

5. Tickler can be male or female << THATS RIGHT I DONT CARE as long as they are GOOD (and by that I mean effective merciless) Ticklers.

6. foot tickling (preferably with soles up, so model face down or hogtied) << NOT ESSENTIAL but it is rare that I buy any other position or area beign tickled unless I particularly love that particular models reactions.

7. Intense merciless tickling with strong reactions << ESSENTIAL

8. Begging for mercy <<NOT ESSENTIAL but I really wish more clips would do this, this is such a simple thing producors could ask the models to do, the only issue being if it is a model that I have seen before and know is not really that ticklish.

I realise my tastes will not be the same as everybody else, but I believe there are alot of people with the same tastes as me that are not really being catered for, this is not entirely the producers faults perca, finding a girl who is supr ticklish and cant stand it and convincing her to let you tie her down and tickle her senseless over and over again is not going to be an easy task I realise that.

So hope that helps and was seen as constructive, I tried to be. Should I now get excited that producors will listen and make clips that I will enjoy?