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Tickle Abuse fake?

SadCuzNotTcklsh said:
Tommy can you give us an update on what is actually going on? How involved are you these days?
For example, I'm so sick of seeing MJ in every single video. Are you not even trying anymore? I don't remember the last time I even downloaded a preview clip. All of it now looks so average. What happened dude? Sorry to be so honest, but I'm only being so critical because I care.
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When you're trying to sell the business, business as usual is actually the best practice out there
 
Ive worked with Tommy a few times and i brought some friends to get tickled some time ago. I can tell you first hand if the girl isnt ticklish he wont use her in a video. I had who was mildly ticklish but after putting her in the stocks she wasnt ticklish enough to the communities standards. In regards to tickle abuse he will only work with genuinely ticklish girls.
 
SoleMates said:
You'd be surprised. The people around here aren't quite the "experts" they think they are. I know whether or not the girls I'm working with are faking, and I've had people accuse at least two of them of not being ticklish (and, for the record, I do NOT hire fakes). Fact is, unless you're the one with your hands actually on the girl, you can't ever know for sure, unless the girl is obviously launching into a wooden monologue about her poor helpless ticklish bare size 9's the moment she's touched. Everyone in this community has their own notion of what someone who's ticklish acts like, and the more solipistic of the bunch insist that anyone who doesn't act the way they expect them to is "obviously" faking it. Bluntly, those people are wrong.
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Yeah, I don't get where people are coming from, throwing the "fake" label around. I think TA lost its...I dunno how to put it.... spirit, I guess, when Tasha left, but even then, Tommy was still maintaining the same level of quality.
 
Aeveirra said:

I don't claim to "know to the truth" about this. However, I'm not naive about how such a business operates either.

I can't possibly imagine that EVERY, or even the majority of models they have is either faking, or being overly-dramatic. Most people in the world are ticklish; ( 80-85% of females are ticklish, V.S. around 75% of males.)
~~ So, statistically many of their models are likely to be ticklish too.

BUT, the vast majority of people don't like being tickled, either. So there's that... Based on their ability to find as many models as Tickle Abuse does, surely then they've encountered this problem before. Even if a models are being paid for this - it's still not something many people would want to subject themselves to.

Personally, I dont really watch many videos, but If I were to take an educated guess: I'd say about 50% of their models' reactions are truly genuine, possibly a little less, like 45%. For most of the other half, they're likely to be exaggerating / acting. (For Monetary incentive).
~~ As for non-ticklish models, that probably happens much less frequently. Like, less than 5%. Considering how big TA is, this still equates to many videos.

It is a well-funded company, I'm sure they have ways of finding willing, ticklish models. Other "armature"(non-professional studios), however may not have the ability to do this, and so - they would be more inclined to pay actors, (so as to make as much profit as possible).
TA *can* afford good actors... But it's less cost-effective in the long run.
Only extremely good actors can do this without it being too obvious, but again, statistically - most of these actors are likely to be ticklish anyway.

*** If you were to watch a tickling video of someone acting, vs not-acting - it's not difficult to tell the difference. This is Especially true for ticklephiles...
I mean seriously guys, if anyone would know - we would. Right ? 😉
~~~ The model you talked about, must have a VERY good actress....

This is something that TA would want to avoid, because they do this for profit. If even a large enough fraction were not ticklish at all , they would loose their customers.
However... It is much more difficult to tell if reactions are being exaggerated if a lee is ticklish. It sounds genuine, because for the most part, it is.
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I'm afraid I have to disagree with most of this. There seems to be a widely held misconception that genuinely ticklish people would never want to do a tickling video because most people hate being tickled...thus only companies that can afford to pay stupidly high rates can get the genuinely ticklish models and the rest are hiring 'actors' who pretend etc, etc. This is so far removed from the truth and I think it stems from a genuine distortion regarding how some people think about tickling. I can safely say that in my experience, the vast majority of models who put themselves forward see it as a fun happy fetish - different, offbeat, but funny and actually quite harmless - particularly when compared to 'harder' fetish and adult shoots (there are models out there doing scat videos for chrissake!) To give an analogy: would you imagine that most models in spanking clips really hate being spanked and so demand excessively high rates to endure such unpleasant treatment? Of course not. Do they use 'fake' spanking as most people don't like being hit? No. Spanking shoots will naturally attract models who see it as fun, harmless, kinky etc - even if it hurts a little and means that the model can't sit down for a few days.

People who really hate being tickled probably won't put themselves forward. In the last seven years, I've only worked with a handful of models (out of hundreds) who really hated being tickled, and in each case the shoot wasn't great. People who absolutely can't stand being tickled don't tend to laugh, they just look disturbed or in pain. It's an uncomfortable experience and the result isn't always what people would actually want to watch. the bestselling models are generally those that go crazy, and have a great time too. They don't need to be paid insane amounts of money and actually, a lot of models do fit the bill. Naturally, there's always a percentage of models that aren't ticklish enough (I can't speak for TA, but I have shot a lot of models whose clips will never see the light of day), but the majority are ticklish enough - that's because people are generally more interested in doing a shoot like this if they are ticklish. The time flies as they spend an afternoon laughing, they get paid and go home - typically they will ask to come back and shoot again. Trying to tickle someone who isn't ticklish on the other hand is painfully awkward for all concerned (anyone who has experienced this can tell you), and particularly for the model, who will feel bad because they are not suitable for the job.

Yes, a model may offer to fake it in these situations (and yes they do offer sometimes), but most producers will not want to do this - why bother going to all the trouble when you can just shoot with someone else next week instead. Models aren't actors and I wouldn't expect anyone I work with to be able to fake laugh through a long clip in a remotely convincing way. I have seen this in clips made by bondage and other fetish producers, but it's often because they don't get the fetish. If a tickling producer does manage to shoot a fake clip (after countless takes), where is the enjoyment in actually doing that? I can't speak for all producers, but I scrap videos when I'm unhappy with the lighting or the sound quality, or because the model starts to look tired too soon, or because I think people won't like their laugh. I can't imagine spending ages producing something that I know is fake and trying to make it look real. It would just be miserable.

Regarding the original comments about TA. Again, I cannot speak for Tommy or whoever is running TA at the minute but what I will say is a lot of what people complain about is exactly what a lot of buyers wish to see. People say they are seeing the same old fake responses, and that models later claim they were acting in their videos etc, but many people expect to see this nowadays. People expect to see taunting/teasing from the ler and begging/pleading from the 'lee (something which doesn't always happen in real life). A lot of people also like to see fully scripted story lines in their vids...I don't produce clips like this as it's not my preference, but I get requests for it all the time, and I guess that most producers do. Most of my custom requests involve some sort of story and a script. I get emails complaining that a model didn't shout certain phrases when she was being tickled, as if there is a standard response that models should give (seriously). TA and other companies do provide this scripted aspect to their clips because it's what many people actually want...I think Tickletherapist described it as a kind of fiction. The problem is that when the 'lee has to react in a certain way and has to say certain things (whilst laughing hard enough) it becomes hard to tell what is real and what isn't in the final video. Exaggeration is an aspect of this. It doesn't mean that they aren't ticklish or that the producer has stumbled on hard times and has had to hire supposedly cheaper, non-ticklish actors (are there supposed to be agencies that provide these people??)

This is why I don't do the scripted/storyline thing at all...I feel that it makes things confusing and can lead to accusations of fakery. I notice an increase in the amount of fictional/story/themed clips at Tickle Abuse in recent times and my guess is that they are selling well for them overall. People often forget that the majority of customers out there are not regular posters on this forum.
 
Acted or not who really cares? If it's good acting and does the job to bring the illusion to life and gets me off watching it, it's all good to me!
 
Lol it's threads like this about people's neurological sensitivity that make me start thinking I'm a tickle crazed bastard.
 
Generally speaking they are acting. Its what we want to see. Some are good actress and some are not, as in the movies. I like great acting where you imagine its true..
 
I feel like it would be considerably more difficult to hire a model who wasn't ticklish but was a good enough actor to fake it convincingly than it would be to just hire a model that's ticklish.
 
Teal said:
I feel like it would be considerably more difficult to hire a model who wasn't ticklish but was a good enough actor to fake it convincingly than it would be to just hire a model that's ticklish.
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Exactly - more difficult, and it really wouldn't be a whole lot of fun when you stop to think about it. Still, there's a general perception amongst many that this is what all tickling producers do (I doubt this will ever change)
 
Yes it was KLS. She seems to have problems with anyone I speak to. Anyone know what her deal is? She even told me a legendary clip involving her and another TA legend was scripted....
 
poopface12 said:
Yes it was KLS. She seems to have problems with anyone I speak to. Anyone know what her deal is? She even told me a legendary clip involving her and another TA legend was scripted....
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Someone just posted a review of a session he had with her. And it was positive. Wonder why she has such bad word or mouth…. 🙁
 
Exactly why I'd love to hear your side. I'll cut to the chase, was Tasha vs Kelli staged?
 
turtleboy said:
People who really hate being tickled probably won't put themselves forward.
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I believe this comment. Unless they are a masochist or a hardcore player the truly ticklish do not put themselves into such situations. Models are there to make a living. Not to really be tortured.

I've had an opportunity to meet and speak to several models who have done tickle shoots and none of them are ticklish by their own admission. It's paid entertainment. They've said its one of the reasons they agreed to do it. It's not a torture for them and they get paid well. One of these girls was a heavy s/m model who had worked for hogtie for years. She hated a few things like nipple torture and breast suspension and a couple others. So she would only pick the jobs that didn't require that because she would have really been going through torture. She was absolutely fine with spanking as she had a high pain tolerance on her butt so she did a lot of that instead. I asked her how she handled that and she said it was simple. Just screech out when the paddle hits, shake your head a lot, and they wet you down with a water bottle, and it looks like you're really suffering. She said the same about tickling clips. Just shake your head a lot and try not to pull your feet loose from the stocks. That comment mad us chuckle because there sure is a lot of rotten bondage in these films which tells you that a person who was really ticklish could easily escape should they need to. All these clips are about the suspension of disbelief. If you want to believe it, you will. So just enjoy them for what they represent.
 
poopface12 said:
Exactly why I'd love to hear your side. I'll cut to the chase, was Tasha vs Kelli staged?
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Tasha seemed pretty licklish! There are probably som models who a re very ticklish.

Nevertheless I enjoy good acting so some lines such as "Not between my toes Please!!" or not between my wrinkles!! " sound very very fake..but if we have a good time watching thats ok
 
Speaking about lines, I love it so much when some lines come out naturally 🙂
Just want to share one clip as an example. I hope no one will ever think she was faking 🙂 As this was one of the most ticklish girls we had fun tickling.

Tickle Therapy - Ring girl Tanya tickle therapy by Elya
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Preview clip with interview and tickling on Youtube channel Tickle Therapy
 
tickltulz said:
I believe this comment. Unless they are a masochist or a hardcore player the truly ticklish do not put themselves into such situations. Models are there to make a living. Not to really be tortured.

I've had an opportunity to meet and speak to several models who have done tickle shoots and none of them are ticklish by their own admission. It's paid entertainment. They've said its one of the reasons they agreed to do it. It's not a torture for them and they get paid well. One of these girls was a heavy s/m model who had worked for hogtie for years. She hated a few things like nipple torture and breast suspension and a couple others. So she would only pick the jobs that didn't require that because she would have really been going through torture. She was absolutely fine with spanking as she had a high pain tolerance on her butt so she did a lot of that instead. I asked her how she handled that and she said it was simple. Just screech out when the paddle hits, shake your head a lot, and they wet you down with a water bottle, and it looks like you're really suffering. She said the same about tickling clips. Just shake your head a lot and try not to pull your feet loose from the stocks. That comment mad us chuckle because there sure is a lot of rotten bondage in these films which tells you that a person who was really ticklish could easily escape should they need to. All these clips are about the suspension of disbelief. If you want to believe it, you will. So just enjoy them for what they represent.
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I think you're misinterpreting some of my comments here a little. I find that models who are very ticklish are more likely to put themselves forward (and enjoy the shoots) than those that aren't (being non-ticklish is not a lot of fun when you are there to be tickled).

It is not necessary for someone to be 'tortured' (in the sense of pain) to be ticklish - if someone finds tickling so unpleasant that it is simply like pain then it is not a fun shoot for anyone involved and the results are usually not very good. They look freaked out, uncomfortable, upset and don't generally laugh. People who are crazy-ticklish, go into fits of hysterics etc generally make for the best models - they also tend to enjoy the experience as it is intense but also fun. These are the models that often apply for shoots and that producers like to work with...there is no need to hire actors.


tickltulz said:
That comment mad us chuckle because there sure is a lot of rotten bondage in these films which tells you that a person who was really ticklish could easily escape should they need to
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A person can most easily escape from any commercial fetish shoot (bondage, tickling etc), just by uttering a safe-word or saying they wish to leave. They are consensual situations at the end of the day - models are there by their own free will.
 
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