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tickling as a "spiritual" aid?

TklDuo-Ann

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We've had a few threads again lately discussing tickling as a sexual thing or as a purely platonic fun thing. But, what about as a "spiritual" thing?

Now, before people get all nuts on me, please hear me out. I'm not talking about anything crazy here. First of all, allow me to give a bit of background of where I'm coming from and then to define what I'm refering to as a spiritual aid. We all know that people exist on many different levels. Those levels all interact and play off of one another to varying degrees. This will also be the case within this discussion. This is often refered to as being a holistic way of approaching things. (For more info. on this, you can check this site, among others.)

I'll take a quick look at the physical and emotional before getting into the spiritual.

There is, of course, the physical level, which seems to be what most of us concentrate on when we think about tickling. Whether it be sexual or platonic fun, we (as a lee) generally enjoy the sensations of being tickled. As lers, we may also enjoy the sensations of touching the other person. Let's face it. Human beings tend to be very tactile. It's a part of our makeup that I don't think anyone would argue with. For those who are into this as a sexual thing to some degree or other, that goes yet another step as we become physically aroused. Arousal or not, tickling just plain feels good to us from some angle.

There is also the emotional/psychological level, which is also a popular topic to discuss. Depending on our personality, we could be talking about the Dom/sub relationship that can take place between a ler and lee. The many non-con stories we see in our story forum tend to illustrate this, esp. from the ler side. Or, we can simply be refering to the sense of euphoria a lee may feel during a tickle session. Or, we can be talking about the joy that's brought about by the sense of affection shared with the other person. Whatever the specific angle, there is very definately an emotional involvement in it.

The part of this whole thing that is least often considered, the one I wish to discuss here, is the "spiritual" side of it. First of all, by "spiritual" I do NOT mean religious. For many of us, the spiritual side of us leads us to religious practices. But, what I'm talking about here is not that. What I'm talking about is that part of us which goes beyond the purely physical and emotional level to something else...something that can't really be defined properly because it goes beyond words. Because of this, some meaning may be lost. So, please feel free to ask for clarification and I'll do my best to respond in a way that can be understood. (It may well prove to be that we find more meaning in the identification of what we do NOT mean in some of this.) Defined as such, a "spiritual aid" is anything that helps us find a deeper sense of completion in this area.

Now, I know that there will be some who simply don't see us as being spiritual beings. That's cool. But, for those who do, I'd like to explore this side of things. How can tickling be an aid to this part of who we are?

Those who have taken part in organized religious practice of some form likely are familiar with various ways of quieting or centering ourselves. It may be through mantras, repetative prayer, meditation, etc. But, the goal is generally to get our conscious physical and emotional side out of the way so that we may get in touch with that part of us that rests on an often less conscious level. For some it is simply to rest there. For others, it's focused on an entity outside of ourselves...whether you call it God, the Great Spirit, Allah, Yahweh, the positive energy of being or whatever. We recognize that there is more than the here and now, that someone or something is out there to guide us and aid us. How we get in touch with that part of us is a matter of much debate. Everyone has their own way of seeing what's out there (or in here). So, we all have our own ways of getting in touch with it.

Have you ever considered that tickling/being tickled can be an aid to this? I never did until I actually experienced it.

In considering the spiritual aspects of this, one of the things that occurred to me was that those who are lees can benefit greatly on a spiritual level by learning to let go of control and learn to trust. The helplessness that one can feel during a good tickle session can actually lead that person to a greater strength in facing other situations simply because they've overcome, to whatever degree, that natural fear that most people have of being helpless. That's a very empowering thing.

A good tickle session can also take us to a place where everything around us seems to disappear. All we're aware of is a sense of being. We may even lose touch with the tickling sensations themselves. It is at this point where we can find something more. We can finally let go of our conscious self and either simply be or get in touch with whatever else we find out there. In either case, we find a deep sense of being alive, a sense of well-being that is often elusive when our consccious mind is in control of things.

(I'm primarily a lee. So, for lers who've experienced this, I invite you to weigh in here.) On the flip side, those who are lers can grow considerably by learning to focus on the other person and not themself. They can learn empathy and compassion, among other things. Again, this can carry over into everyday life and make them a better person. On a more spiritual level, the ler can get in touch with the positive force of being in control of another person and aiding them in their journey.

Of course, either side of this (as with anything else) can be used for good or evil. So, caution is always highly recommended. Lees should slowly build a sense of trust with their ler before moving into this area. If you aren't sure of the lers intentions, I would not recommend trying this. The ler must be open to this area and have enough experience to know when to ease up or stop a session completely. They should not be someone for whom their own edification is the primary goal. That person would be more likely to abuse the position. But, for those who focus on a more positive light/force/energy/spirit, it can be a source of much good.

Before closing, I'd also like to point out that this does not necessarily negate or contradict any other spiritual practices/belief systems. Used in the means I refer to, it can actually go hand in hand with what we already believe.

There is more I'd like to explore with this. But, I'll leave it at this for the moment. It's already a bit more verbose than I'd originally intended. All opinions are welcome. But, I ask that they be shared with respect and openness. I'd also ask that those for whom this is seen and used as a means towards "negative" control and manupulation respect the fact that this is not the point of this thread. So, while it's good to look at that side, I hope that it will not take over this thread.

Ann
 
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I think there's something to this, Ann. A similar experience of immediacy and focus is found in many SM scenes.
 
Agreed. There are many things in every-day life that can lead one to a deeper sense of well-being and spiritual awareness. I just thought it might be interesting to toss this out there since it's something we all have in common. Thanks for the response! 😉

Ann
 
Ann I believe there can be and is a spiritual side of this depending on how you look at things, and maybe I am off base but I know it helps me when I need my spirits lifted, there is 1st the kind of euphoria and then the calm inside. Relaxing, releasing like meditation. For me it can almost become a therapy! yes there is times when I can see it as sexual or other things but for some I believe there is truly a spiritual side of this!
 
I'm not a big spiritual person so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the centredness and what-have-you what the Buddhists refer to as Zen or enlightenment or something? If so, isn't it also true that meditation, breathing exercises and fasting etc. are simply considered to be the best methods of attaining Zen rather than a comprehensive list of things YOU MUST DO to attain Zen? As in, meditation and stuff is what works best for the largest number of people, but not neccisarily for everyone. I dunno. You might be onto something, or it might just be something unique to yourself.
 
JPie1 said:
Ann I believe there can be and is a spiritual side of this depending on how you look at things, and maybe I am off base but I know it helps me when I need my spirits lifted, there is 1st the kind of euphoria and then the calm inside. Relaxing, releasing like meditation. For me it can almost become a therapy! yes there is times when I can see it as sexual or other things but for some I believe there is truly a spiritual side of this!

Yes. This is one of the many areas where the "holistic" aspect of things comes into play. This can be emotional or spiritual or both.

Headsnap said:
I'm not a big spiritual person so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the centredness and what-have-you what the Buddhists refer to as Zen or enlightenment or something? If so, isn't it also true that meditation, breathing exercises and fasting etc. are simply considered to be the best methods of attaining Zen rather than a comprehensive list of things YOU MUST DO to attain Zen?

Every formal spiritual system has some form of this, along with their own terms for refering to it. But, I bleieve you are correct in relating it to enlightenment. Many things in life can be aids to this. Each person has their own unique set of things that works for them. Often we find that different things work more or less at different times in their life. It is for each person to discover what things work for them at any given time...and to decide if they even want to bother with it to begin with.

Headsnap said:
As in, meditation and stuff is what works best for the largest number of people, but not neccisarily for everyone. I dunno. You might be onto something, or it might just be something unique to yourself.

Agreed. I have yet to see any one thing that works for everyone. That's why I love exploring other ways of doing things. As with other areas in life, we take what works for us and leave the rest to others. It is possible that this is unique to me...though I think we'll find at least a few others for whom it bears witness. I thought I'd share it to discover the answer to that question and to put the possibility out there for anyone else who may not have considered it in this light.

Thanks to those who've responded so far. I think it's great that we can discuss these things openly and honestly.

Ann
 
Ann, I don't think your assessment is far off the base whatsoever!! I think a lot of that 'spiritual' quality you can derive from a pleasant tickling experience has a lot to do with WHO you're sharing the experience with...you talked about the trust factor; trust with tickling/being tickled is usually best associated with someone who you trust most. And, a sense of spiritual enhancement through tactile means (I've found) is best experienced with someone you're truly connected to....be it a lover, a good friend, or a beloved family member (the latter might be a slightly different story, depending on one's perspective).

I know for myself, that whenever I was in the throes of tickling a lady I was very close or even intimate with; that as a 'ler, I felt something far more than just merely a playful/sensual means of conveying affection and kittenish attention. When you consider part and parcel of the reaction involves laughter, I have a belief that you can be very much in touch with the soul of another individual when you've made them laugh just as you would from looking them in the eyes (..."the eyes are the windows to the soul"...). I like to think if the eyes are the windows, the laughter would be the 'soundtrack' of the soul's expression; a by-product of sharing what the soul's "human shell" is experiencing. And, as a 'lee...I find the sensations I get from being tickled aren't just relegated to what my body is feeling or how it may arouse me, but it also taps into my OWN spirit...allowing its truest essence to radiate....the essence being abject joy, happiness and the expression of it, sharing it with the applying 'ler.

In all, you've definitely touched upon something there....very profound and astute...Bravo!! 🙂
 
Ummmm.....OK. I really don't have any comments to add in response to that. It's too well put to add to. Thanks!

Ann
 
Ann, I definitely think there is something to that. Even if it doesn't center you, I believe it could almost be used as a spiritual cleansing. A lot of the stress from daily life comes from built up emotions. If you allow yourself to lose control completely and submit to the natural reactions that tickling causes you will in turn have an emotional release that would probably ease the stress on your inner-self and leave you feeling almost refreshed. Yes indeed, I definitely think there is something to this.
 
Headsnap said:
I'm not a big spiritual person so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the centredness and what-have-you what the Buddhists refer to as Zen or enlightenment or something? If so, isn't it also true that meditation, breathing exercises and fasting etc. are simply considered to be the best methods of attaining Zen rather than a comprehensive list of things YOU MUST DO to attain Zen? As in, meditation and stuff is what works best for the largest number of people, but not neccisarily for everyone. I dunno. You might be onto something, or it might just be something unique to yourself.


From my novice's understanding of zen, zazen (meditation) is considered perhaps the most time-tested and reliable way to achieve satori, and so, is central to zen buddhism. However, zen prides itself on being non-dogmatic, and often anti-dogmatic. There is more than one story of a zen monk attached to "things" like the recorded teachings of his roshi, only to have them tossed into a fire by one of better understanding... Teachings, zazen, an occasional use of a keisaku to the head -- these are all oblique tools to nudge one toward enlightenment, but none are guaranteed nor required nor necessarily sufficient. There's very little -- in fact, nothing I'm aware of explicitly that is said, that you MUST DO to attain zen... In fact, a large part of getting there is "not doing"... It's difficult to explain in logic-based language. Consider reading some koans to see how language is used to break logic down in the Rinzai Zen tradition...

That said, I think this (Ann's proposal) is an interesting area for consideration... Humans have often sought means of altering their minds, whether for spiritual enlightenment or simply for a new experience. What is seen as enlightenment, or communicating with God, or what have you, often is the result of intense focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others. Ann mentioned mantras, repetitive prayer, meditation, but it would be interesting to see if such a thing could be brought upon another through tickling... When the mind can grasp nothing other than the incessant physical sensation, I imagine an exclusion of other external stimuli analogous to that which happens during intense focus during zazen and the like may occur in some people... Is it the inability to perceive or focus on anything else, or the intense focus stimulated in an attempt to block the tickling sensations out, I wonder?

Things to think about.
 
I like this thread a lot Ann!

It's funny, I was talking to a dear friend from TMF who lives in another country, just today...He commented that he can always tell when I've had a really fun session because I sound so energized on the phone--he's used to me sounding exhausted...

XOXO
 
shadow365 said:
If you allow yourself to lose control completely and submit to the natural reactions that tickling causes you will in turn have an emotional release that would probably ease the stress on your inner-self and leave you feeling almost refreshed.

Agreed. I think this aspect is even more true for those of us who tend to be control freaks. Tickle sessions are one of the few ways that I find myself actually wanting to give up control. Those who've tickled me in the past know that I restrain myself from reacting. That has sometimes been mistaken as resisting the tickling itself. But, it is precisely so that I don't resist the tickling (or get too quickly out of breath or start cramping and have to stop) that I hold back much of my reaction. I've found that it also tends to intensify what I'm feeling if I allow it to. There is a very definate release of stress, anxiety, etc. that goes with it...all very good for getting things out of the way and allowing ourselves to focus on the deeper realities of life.

Capnmad said:
What is seen as enlightenment, or communicating with God, or what have you, often is the result of intense focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others. Ann mentioned mantras, repetitive prayer, meditation, but it would be interesting to see if such a thing could be brought upon another through tickling... When the mind can grasp nothing other than the incessant physical sensation, I imagine an exclusion of other external stimuli analogous to that which happens during intense focus during zazen and the like may occur in some people... Is it the inability to perceive or focus on anything else, or the intense focus stimulated in an attempt to block the tickling sensations out, I wonder?

First, thanks for the lesson on zen. I was kinda hoping someone would pop in who knew what they were talking about. 😉

I've actually experienced this where, if the tickling is consistant and the sensations intense enough, I get to a point where nothing exists but the tickling. If it then continues, I can go beyond that to a place where all conscious awareness ceases. It brings me to a state of pure contemplation. So, at least for me, the answer to your question would seem to be the lack of ability to focus on anything else. I'm sure that could be the exact opposite for some, though.

Steph said:
I like this thread a lot Ann!

It's funny, I was talking to a dear friend from TMF who lives in another country, just today...He commented that he can always tell when I've had a really fun session because I sound so energized on the phone--he's used to me sounding exhausted...

Me too! lol :xpulcy:

I can understand where he would sense this. Even if you're totally exhausted for a bit on a physical level, it's actually very invigorating on other levels.

Luv2Tickle69 said:
I like to think if the eyes are the windows, the laughter would be the 'soundtrack' of the soul's expression; a by-product of sharing what the soul's "human shell" is experiencing. And, as a 'lee...I find the sensations I get from being tickled aren't just relegated to what my body is feeling or how it may arouse me, but it also taps into my OWN spirit...allowing its truest essence to radiate....the essence being abject joy, happiness and the expression of it, sharing it with the applying 'ler.

I just had to return to this one! The entire post rang so true that I was just going to let it be. But, I couldn't. LOL

(long pause) I don't even necessarily have anything to say other than that. It goes beyond words. :happyfloa :twohugs:

Ann
 
this is really an excellent thread, I think if the public at large can view this they would see tickling as something else then wierd. Those of us in the community that can feel it as spiritual and like it in that sense are no different then people that use meditation or yoga or any other form of bodywork that would release the spiritual nature. I think in today's crazy world we all need ways to "detox", "destress" etc...this for us is our way!

I love this Ann, I really love this thread...it puts it into wonderful light!
 
JPie1 said:
this is really an excellent thread, I think if the public at large can view this they would see tickling as something else then wierd. Those of us in the community that can feel it as spiritual and like it in that sense are no different then people that use meditation or yoga or any other form of bodywork that would release the spiritual nature. I think in today's crazy world we all need ways to "detox", "destress" etc...this for us is our way!

I love this Ann, I really love this thread...it puts it into wonderful light!

I agree. But, I also think it's more important that WE see it as something other than weird. If we don't come to accept ourselves, how can we expect others to accept us? I've never been one to view this as something that the muggles have to understand or accept. They either will or won't. And, though it may be nice if they did, that's not necessary in order for us to be able to continue to enjoy it.

Even among those here, I would imagine that there will be many who can't relate to this aspect of things. And, that's fine. We're all different. I tossed it out here to share my own experience/ideas, not to "convert" anyone to that way of thinking. So far, I'm amazed by the positive responses.

Ann
 
TklDuo-Ann said:
I agree. But, I also think it's more important that WE see it as something other than weird. If we don't come to accept ourselves, how can we expect others to accept us? I've never been one to view this as something that the muggles have to understand or accept. They either will or won't. And, though it may be nice if they did, that's not necessary in order for us to be able to continue to enjoy it.

Even among those here, I would imagine that there will be many who can't relate to this aspect of things. And, that's fine. We're all different. I tossed it out here to share my own experience/ideas, not to "convert" anyone to that way of thinking. So far, I'm amazed by the positive responses.

Ann

well again in all nature of things spiritual you will either have people that believe, think its wierd, accept, etc. It even takes a while to accept it in yourself, that liking certain things for certain reasons wether it be spiritual, religious or just plan different. Sometimes I think I am just starting to except it is ok being me, maybe it just comes with age.
 
Sometimes, when I'm tickle tortured beyond the limits of my endurance for a significant duration, there is a certain euphoria that does go beyond simple pleasure, joy, or happiness. I've described this experience in previous posts as feeling that "all is right with the world." It's a state in which there is no room for depression, dissatisfaction of any kind, worry, etc. I never thought of it as spiritual, but it sure seems to apply.
 
drew70 said:
Sometimes, when I'm tickle tortured beyond the limits of my endurance for a significant duration, there is a certain euphoria that does go beyond simple pleasure, joy, or happiness. I've described this experience in previous posts as feeling that "all is right with the world." It's a state in which there is no room for depression, dissatisfaction of any kind, worry, etc. I never thought of it as spiritual, but it sure seems to apply.


Actually, Drew, part of what you're experiencing is probably attributed to large amounts of the hormone, Beta Endorphin, secreted by the pituitary gland in the brain, which has similar properties to that of Opiates (aka Endogenous Opiates). The initial "rush" which comes from a combination of Adrenaline and Endorphins, eventually turns to a feeling of euphoria, contentedness, and ultimately, complete relaxed satisfaction after prolonged secretions. So, there is definitely a physiological contributing factor to this feeling of euphoria.

Certain cultures have used psychotropic hallucinogenic opiates as a means of stimulating spiritual awareness. Indigenous people of Mexico used Peyote, which contains Mescaline as a way of achieving this divine state of mind, West Indian people use Cannabis, Peruvian Indians used Coca, etc. All of these substances are opiates. In some people, prolonged endorphin secretion can parallel, to a lesser extent, similar feelings of enhanced awareness and focus.

Interestingly, the rush of Endorphins is also looked at closely by psychologists as a possible contributing factor to explain how some people can become "addicted" to activities like exercise, extreme sports, and even pornography. This would suggest that there is much to be said about the potency of Endorphins as well.

So, it is, at least, possible that much of this feeling of "Zen," if you will, achieved through prolonged tickling, may have a perfectly legitimate physiological association. I’m just saying maybe.
 
I know exactly what you mean, Drew. Wonderful, isn't it? :veryhappy

ShadowTklr said:
So, it is, at least, possible that much of this feeling of "Zen," if you will, achieved through prolonged tickling, may have a perfectly legitimate physiological association. I’m just saying maybe.

Good point, ST. As with fasting and various other penances practiced in many cultures, the physiological effects can contribute to a physical and emotional state that tends to get everything out of the way in order to allow, when desired, a deeper spiritual awareness. Whether it uses external or internal sources, it gets the job done.

In the case of tickling, it doesn't necessarily have to be prolonged, either. It depends upon the person. Personally, if someone gets me the right way in the right spot (one easily accessible to anyone), it's almost instantaneous. If it's prolonged in that spot, I'm off to lala land at a conscious level. So, it gets all the normal resistance, etc. out of the way and allows me to move beyond.

Ann
 
I agree too Ann. If a person has a fondness for being tickled then that person can hopefully find their "center" while enjoy being tickled. Endorphins could also help a person reach a higher level of consciousness or focus or contentment.

Tickling could be the next massage.
🙂 :santasmil :feets:
 
TklDuo-Ann said:
We all know that people exist on many different levels. Those levels all interact and play off of one another to varying degrees.

I think this IS the key. Most everyone would acknowledge that we are more than what simply exists in the physical sense. A person's "availability" so to speak, to certain spiritual occurances or opportunities, etc. would depend a lot (maybe entirely) on how conscious they are of their spiritual selves. For example, a logical person sees logic in many things; an emotional person sees or feels emotion in many circumstances; so a spiritual person would see more things in a spiritual sense.

I've heard lees over and over describe a deep peaceful calm and relaxation occuring after being taken "beyond their limits" via tickling. Because we are multi-faceted beings, I don't think this would be possible if there wasn't some sort of emotional, mental and spiritual release. For instance, one can have their muscles manipulated by a massage for hours and still not be relaxed if their mind is troubled. Likewise, your mind can be at peace, but the body generally will not sleep if it's in pain or otherwise distressed.

Some of us in the community are highly tuned in to the emotional aspect of tickling. I think the lines between emotional and spiritual cross often. I've never seen people bond so quickly and in such a special way, when there was not some sort of spiritual element present. I believe the door gets opened emotionally, but bonding, lasting thing is due to something else.

All of this is to say I suppose, to me, tickling has always contained a spiritual aspect, but it would depend upon each person's availability and spiritual self awareness to recognize it as such. There's so much to say on this topic - maybe a little later I can put words and thoughts together more cohesively.
 
terorizer said:
All of this is to say I suppose, to me, tickling has always contained a spiritual aspect, but it would depend upon each person's availability and spiritual self awareness to recognize it as such.

Absolutely. Everything in life is dependant to some extent on our openness to it. I would imagine that anyone reading this thread for whom the belief in a spiritual level of being (in whatever context) does not exist would think us nuts. Not that we aren't. :woot: But, those for whom spirituality is a central part of who we are and what we desire in life will likely find that this is one of many things that give us opportunities for exploring that.

terorizer said:
There's so much to say on this topic - maybe a little later I can put words and thoughts together more cohesively.

It's rather difficult to really explain things on this level of being. Isn't it? For some things, there simply are no words. All we can do is relate a general sense of wht we mean. Until you experience it for yourself, words never quite do the trick. Here's an analogy you'll enjoy. It's kind of like explaining what a nice fudgy brownie tastes like. You can describe it in many ways. But, if someone has never tasted chocolate or cake or fudge or any one of a number of other things, they just cant quite grasp it.

Ann
 
Just bumping this back up in case any of the weekend crowd hasn't seen it yet. 😉

And, a question for those who've already responded. Have you ever had a tickling session primarily for this purpose? If not, is it something you'd ever consider?

Ann
 
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