Tickling clip pet peeves

[primetime]

I never said the complaints weren't valid, BUT, keep in mind that what you didn't like about the product, many others DID like. You mention Tickling Paradise. If they truly sucked, would they still be in business? It costs money to put these clips/videos together. Do you really think if the majority of the customers complained about the product, they would still be in business? Yet, here they are STILL making the same type of videos and will continue to do so. Ever wonder why they continue to do so, even though there has been negative feedback written about them?

People can complain, but keep it in perspective.

 

[saratk]

when you can barely hear the lee laughing over the ler's talking.

 

[chevyhs]

-When the Ler is laughing over the Lee
-When the Ler is blocking the view of the lee
-Some clips from tickle haven and they are just starting to take the shoes off and they view it from the front and you can't see the feet being tickled with their shoes on.
-Lees that look like they are in pain when they are tickled

 

[turtleboy]

These threads always crack me up. I realize there is a need for people to vent about clips that do not meet their specifications on what they want to see. The usual response is "we're giving feedback so the producers can do a better job." Completely understandable. Producers need feedback and they, more than likely, look for it.

The problem is, is your feedback representing what the consuming public really feels? Each producer knows how much they are selling in terms of quantity. Now, if I am a producer and I am using a technique that people on this thread are griping about (I will use the use of a Male ler), but my sales are through the roof, am I really going to listen to it? Let's say I sold a 1000 clips. The clip is about a male ler being a part of the "story", but the only negative feedback I get are the ones posting in this thread. Would I really follow their feedback?

After working in a customer service organization dealing with certain products, I learned that the vast majority of the buying public do not gripe over the product. Sure, you have people calling bitching and moaning over a certain product, calling it a lemon and such, but the amount of complaints compared to the actual number of units sold is minimal. It's actually pretty funny because the people complaining really think the majority of people who purchased the product feel the same way. The same can be said with people complaining about tickle clips. People like to bitch and moan more than give praise. The people satisfied with the product never say much because they're satisfied. Reading these "pet peeves" threads about clips and people making lists is just hilarious.

Continue to provide feedback. Producers really do like feedback. However, to those who make these lists, have you ever made a tickling video? Make one for yourself, just one with all of your specifications that YOU like. Place that video on this forum and you will find some people complaining that what you made sucks. You will see people who like it too. How would you feel that you came up with a video that you felt was great because it is how you like tickling, then you have some people saying it sucks? Just think about that for a moment.....Now ask yourself, if that one video you made sold 500 units, but 10 people bitched that it sucked, would you really care too? Probably not.

Just some food for thought...

I couldn't have summed it up any better myself Primetime so thanks for trying to get these points across!

As a producer, I get emails every day (more than I can easily respond to) with suggestions, requests, feedback. The fact is they are often very different and more often than not completely contradictory - i.e. the one thing that person A wants to see is exactly what person B would like to see and so on. I am pretty sure that all producers get this, and yes what makes the difference is an awareness of what actually sells.

To give one example, that pops up in this and the multitude of other similar threads quite frequently, I personally don't favour the scripted/storylined clips. This is because I (personally) think they look a little phony and confuse the 'lees genuire reactions with the acting. As such, I don't produce scripted clips. Some buyers don't like them for the same reason but that doesn't mean there is not a market for them - people do buy them, and they request them from producers like myself all the time. That is why those who produce them continue to do so, and why certain producers continue to be successful whilst producing this sort of content.

The same goes for many of the other things that pop up here - nylons/socks vs barefeet, feet vs upperbody, the use of tools vs fingers (I get requests for feathers all the time!), close camera angles vs wide angles, baby oil, M/F, F/F etc etc......I've said it myself before in these threads but people can buy the clips they want and ignore those they don't - and this is what most people do. As Primetime says, producers do like feedback, however it is does seem a little pointless for people to keep producing lengthy hate lists (which actually have nothing positive to say about anything) and then stating that '...producers would sell more clips if they made clips in this way' as these views do not represent those of everyone who buys clips. Sales figures are a very good measure of what people are liking or not liking, as is customer feedback and I'm pretty sure most producers would pay attention to that first and foremost. I'm pretty sure other producers do view these threads but I have to be honest and say that as a producer myself, I don't think they really encourage a response. I'm certainly not trying to bash anyone here for expressing their views but please be aware that others out there will have different opinions!

 

[solesonface]

primetime, in the very first post the thread starter said this thread was for VENTING. Did I miss a post where it turned into feedback for producers? Venting is just that, letting off steam, its not a call to action. For instance, if everything *I* mentioned I dislike, a producer does and his sales are through the roof, by all means KEEP DOING THEM, I didn't tell him/her to stop. I don't think anyone did. I will either 1) buy them and edit out the parts I dislike, or 2) go elsewhere. Most folks do #2 I'd wager. But either is my right, just like producers listening to sales over the complaints of the minority who dislike certain things is THEIR right. No one's fighting THAT dichotomy, unless, again, I missed a post.

 

[primetime]

Then you must have missed the point of my post. I did mention people venting. Let's face facts. When people "vent", especially on a messageboard type forum, they are in fact wanting to give feedback. You and I both know producers will read these threads. So yes, this is all about feedback. People are venting about what is wrong with the clips that are being sold. That my friend, is FEEDBACK.

But read the overall thread. Look at all the people "venting" and providing lists of what they don't like. It is comical to me. I think it has to do with me being around for a long time. You go back about 15 years or so, and tickle fans would KILL for the clips that are out now. To find anything tickling related back then that they could view was like finding gold in the hills of California. Now, I see people whining about clips. Funny, it is amazingly funny.

People really should put themselves in a producer's shoes. I have directed some custom clips before and it is hard to put fantasy into reality. Keep in mind that although you think people are "venting", they are really trying to get producers to stop doing certain things so the clips can fit into their specification of what is good. There is nothing wrong with "venting", but some people take it further. That's the problem I have. Make sense?

 

[powerslideX]

My dirty 2 cents....

My personal peeves....

1. Female lers that are just there for eye candy, but have no idea what they are doing. (Unfortunately common, male or female, ugly or hot, i want to see the lee WORKED! I don't get off whatching some one tickle, I am looking at the lee's reactions to tickling) which leads to number...
2. Extreme close ups ~ there is a huge foot taking up my screen and i hear a woman laughing.... for all i know, that could be any woman laughing. Lets see those reactions.
3. Smoke and Mirrors ~ Scripts, costumes, etc... just tie her up good and make her beg!
4. Just feet, ribs and pits ~ Actually try to figure out what makes your lee go nuts. I have found in my experience that knees, hips, inner thighs, and back of thighs just below the cheeks get some of the best reactions. Especially in a girl whom is used to the 'regular spots' If you find her a spot she didn't know she had that is real intense, it'll really freak her and add to the unpredictability factor that adds to ticklishness.
5. WORTHLESS PREVIEWS!!! ~ Ok, everyone desc.ribes the lee in the vid as 'extremely' or 'off the charts' ticklish. they won't say 'Eh, this girl is lame and faking it, go ahead and watch if you want..'So put your money where your mouth is, show me 10-20 seconds of real action. not 30 seconds of a conversation or the lee being tied to a device. If it looks good, i'll buy the vid!! but if i have to just take a crack at it because your previews blow and end up wasting money on some bs vid, i'll go find a producer that i can trust!

 

[solesonface]

Then you must have missed the point of my post. I did mention people venting.

And apparently dismissed it out of hand.

Let's face facts. When people "vent", especially on a messageboard type forum, they are in fact wanting to give feedback. You and I both know producers will read these threads.

I "know" if the shoe doesn't fit why respond? If they're making bank doing everything that's on the list, why get upset? Why is this kind of "comedy" necessary?

So yes, this is all about feedback. People are venting about what is wrong with the clips that are being sold. That my friend, is FEEDBACK.

I disagree. That's why those two words exist. If you want to believe its feedback disguised as venting that's your business, I just don't see any evidence of that. I have seen folks at least say it goes both ways, but I HAVEN'T seen anyone say "Well, the jig is up it IS feedback hee hee".

But read the overall thread. Look at all the people "venting" and providing lists of what they don't like. It is comical to me. I think it has to do with me being around for a long time. You go back about 15 years or so, and tickle fans would KILL for the clips that are out now. To find anything tickling related back then that they could view was like finding gold in the hills of California. Now, I see people whining about clips. Funny, it is amazingly funny.

Okay, and are these same people popping up in producers' update threads airing these same grievances?

People really should put themselves in a producer's shoes. I have directed some custom clips before and it is hard to put fantasy into reality. Keep in mind that although you think people are "venting", they are really trying to get producers to stop doing certain things so the clips can fit into their specification of what is good. There is nothing wrong with "venting", but some people take it further. That's the problem I have. Make sense?

Nope, cause I don't understand how they're "taking it further". In a venting thread no less. Again if you want to stretch the paremeters of what venting is thats your business I just don't see it myself. And, again, if producers are making bank doing everything that's on these very same lists, again why does it matter that these list even exist?

You say put yourself in producers' shoes...okay, I would do 1) what I'd want to see and 2) follow the sales. If I got people saying "oh I don't like that video" or creating lists like the ones here, I'd shrug and keep doing what makes me money. Plenty of times I've asked for things as a customer and the producer has told me they can't/won't do it because it doesn't fit either #1 or #2. And I get that, because, surprise, I know how to empathize with them. It'd give me incentive to one day create what I like myself someday, too.

I understand producers annoyance when they put up a free preview and someone (what we would call a troll) has nothing to add other than "it sucks" or "that's not real tickling/she's not really ticklish". I get that 100%. Producers popping up HERE, though, no I don't get cause if I was one there's ways to send me actual feedback (I'd have an email box) and I don't conflate venting and feedback. Even if they call my NAME/STUDIO NAME, I'd still be of the mind if you have something to say to me, you know how to get a hold of me cause my email would be on my site.

The people putting money in the producers pockets, seem to FAR outweigh the ones who aren't (presumably the ones who are making these lists). I don't understand worrying about the latter. At all. Let them do their thing. I can find my comedy elsewhere.

 

[mindy]

I am surprised no one has mentioned all the rape fantasies. I find it irritating and a little disturbing how many "stories" involve someone being kidnapped or otherwise forced into tickling against their will. I can't imagine why so many "fans" are fantasizing about not being able to tickle someone voluntarily.

Most of the personal likes/dislikes (feet vs. ub, fingers vs. brushes) can be chalked up to personal preferences, but the whole involuntary thing seems to say a lot about the audience for these vids.

 

[krispyrice222]

lolll

 

[krispyrice222]

lol

 

[sclubtickle]

I am thinking about starting a thread on music I don't like. I'd hazard a guess that there would be a fair amount of disagreement over that subjective topic as well.

 

[mindy]

Well your comment says a lot about you! "Rape"? NO that involves forcing someone into sex. Whole different ball park! Someone could label non-con tickling as assault if they really wanted to be annoying but rape, no.

You really don't know much about rape then, do you?

And if you want to split hairs, what's the difference? If the fantasy is about taking someone against their will and doing what gratifies you, then it is rape. just not in the degree you normally think of it. And saying "it's just tickling" is no defense any more then tying up a child and caressing him or her all over is "just rubbing" and not molestation. If my examples seem too extreme, maybe you need to re-examine how you approach your fetish.

 

[primetime]

And apparently dismissed it out of hand.



I "know" if the shoe doesn't fit why respond? If they're making bank doing everything that's on the list, why get upset? Why is this kind of "comedy" necessary?



I disagree. That's why those two words exist. If you want to believe its feedback disguised as venting that's your business, I just don't see any evidence of that. I have seen folks at least say it goes both ways, but I HAVEN'T seen anyone say "Well, the jig is up it IS feedback hee hee".



Okay, and are these same people popping up in producers' update threads airing these same grievances?



Nope, cause I don't understand how they're "taking it further". In a venting thread no less. Again if you want to stretch the paremeters of what venting is thats your business I just don't see it myself. And, again, if producers are making bank doing everything that's on these very same lists, again why does it matter that these list even exist?

You say put yourself in producers' shoes...okay, I would do 1) what I'd want to see and 2) follow the sales. If I got people saying "oh I don't like that video" or creating lists like the ones here, I'd shrug and keep doing what makes me money. Plenty of times I've asked for things as a customer and the producer has told me they can't/won't do it because it doesn't fit either #1 or #2. And I get that, because, surprise, I know how to empathize with them. It'd give me incentive to one day create what I like myself someday, too.

I understand producers annoyance when they put up a free preview and someone (what we would call a troll) has nothing to add other than "it sucks" or "that's not real tickling/she's not really ticklish". I get that 100%. Producers popping up HERE, though, no I don't get cause if I was one there's ways to send me actual feedback (I'd have an email box) and I don't conflate venting and feedback. Even if they call my NAME/STUDIO NAME, I'd still be of the mind if you have something to say to me, you know how to get a hold of me cause my email would be on my site.

The people putting money in the producers pockets, seem to FAR outweigh the ones who aren't (presumably the ones who are making these lists). I don't understand worrying about the latter. At all. Let them do their thing. I can find my comedy elsewhere.

Apparently I am not making myself clear. What I am essentially doing is pointing out to these "venting" people that it is comedy to me. We are talking about tickling clips. If somehow a tickling clip frustrates people that they need to vent to the whole TMF world, then I laugh. Simple as that. People want to vent about tickling clips, I want to laugh at their frustration.

I guess the issue I am having is that what they are venting about is fixable. Don't buy from that particular producer. As for your comment about feedback, if you don't understand how venting is feedback, then you really shouldn't comment on it. What do you think feedback is? Feedback is giving your opinion on something. When someone asks for feedback, what do they want to hear? What they like, and what they didn't like. So, these "venters" are providing feedback to the producers on what they do not like about tickling clips. True, the producers didn't request it in this thread, but it is feedback nonetheless. I thought that was pretty easy to tell, but I guess not....Fine, call it venting. I'll call it feedback. Call it a day.

Um, what point are you trying to make about, "Okay, and are these same people popping up in producers' update threads airing these same grievances?". I'm sorry, I thought I made it clear that people whining over tickling clips, when in the past, this stuff would be a tickle fan's heaven is funny was clear. I have to learn to know who I am dealing with....

I will give you credit though. At least you understand something I wrote. "You say put yourself in producers' shoes...okay, I would do 1) what I'd want to see and 2) follow the sales. If I got people saying "oh I don't like that video" or creating lists like the ones here, I'd shrug and keep doing what makes me money. Plenty of times I've asked for things as a customer and the producer has told me they can't/won't do it because it doesn't fit either #1 or #2. And I get that, because, surprise, I know how to empathize with them. It'd give me incentive to one day create what I like myself someday, too."

That's my whole point. The reason why I decide to call out the people complaining has more to do with countering their venting than anything else. Once you work inside a customer service organization and deal with people whining all the live long day about a product, you tend to have a whole different point of view about people complaining. Different story if their money was stolen from them, but trust me, the people I deal with get bent out of shape for the most innocuous things. Put it this way. This is my way of "venting".

 

[giggle-maker]

You really don't know much about rape then, do you?

And if you want to split hairs, what's the difference? If the fantasy is about taking someone against their will and doing what gratifies you, then it is rape. just not in the degree you normally think of it. And saying "it's just tickling" is no defense any more then tying up a child and caressing him or her all over is "just rubbing" and not molestation. If my examples seem too extreme, maybe you need to re-examine how you approach your fetish.

As much as I would love to further ridicule those who would like to believe that non-con tickle clips are real (I used to be one of them before I applied my own common sense and that of others here)

I would actually like to say I sorta agree with mindy on a portion of her post. I have seen these "non-con's" and I understand the fantasy of it and those who like that fantasy. This is the part that mindy doesn't dig. And further, she is entitled to her opinion. Whether it is staged fantasy or not, she doesn't like rape senarios. And thats her opinion and that is cool. Whether she needs to dictate her likes/dislikes on the masses is another debate entirely. Further, I don't believe that Non-Con Tickling senario fit the same bill as a rape victim scenario. At least not as a fantasy genre.

Actual true experiences might very well be equally horrendous, but that is not what we are discussing here!

Remember...the title of the Thread is "Tickling Clip Pet Peeves"

To put it another way, most FANTASIZED rape scenarios involve the "victim" being brought to orgasm by her "assailant". This would lend to the idea that the "victim" secretly harboured a desire to be taken this way. This is exactly opposit of what "Non-Con" genre represents. In a "rape scenario" the victim gets off on the assault. This is just not the case when filming a non-con tickle vid.

That's the difference.

BUT

I watch tickle vids because they turn me on. The part that turns me on is a lee who enjoys the torture. Example: Czech Tickling has a tons of material where the ler is useing tickling to bring the lee to orgasm. Foot Worship Studios has this as well. Matter of fact, the most erotic thing is a girl who is deathly ticklish and gets off on it!

Which brings us to the 'Non-Con' material. FIRST OFF, I respect those who like this genre. It's just not my cup of tea. Having seen a few of these vids, I can seriously say that watching a girl suffer a mental breakdown, whether staged or not, looks disturbing at best especially if the lee does a great job of acting out her roll. Again, this is my opinion here. Yours may vary.

 

[monstertickles]

Masks are my pet peeve. Like, I'm ok with masquerade masks and small ones, but when you put on ridiculious ones like the kinds meant for halloween, it absolutely KILLS it for me. You could have the HOTTEST lickle tickling video by Tickle Abuse, and throw some masks on them, and it would absolutely do nothing for me.

 

[Sandisk444]

one of my favorite spots to tickle on a girl is her belly button and I get aggravated when the ler is tickling the girl all around her navel and just as the ler is about to go inside her belly button the scene shifts to something else

This! I sit there waiting for it then it instantly switches. ugh i hate that.

All the ones i thought of have already been said. Especially when the 'lee is completely open on the upperbody yet never gets tickled there.

 

[solesonface]

Apparently I am not making myself clear. What I am essentially doing is pointing out to these "venting" people that it is comedy to me. We are talking about tickling clips. If somehow a tickling clip frustrates people that they need to vent to the whole TMF world, then I laugh. Simple as that. People want to vent about tickling clips, I want to laugh at their frustration.

That's nice. Never told you to stop, just said I don't get how that's comedy. Different strokes.

I guess the issue I am having is that what they are venting about is fixable. Don't buy from that particular producer. As for your comment about feedback, if you don't understand how venting is feedback, then you really shouldn't comment on it.

Likewise I don't think you understand the difference between venting and feedback. Though I'm not arrogant enough to say you should or shouldn't comment on it. I couldn't stop you either way, just like you apparently can't stop me from commenting on what you think *I* don't understand.

What do you think feedback is? Feedback is giving your opinion on something. When someone asks for feedback, what do they want to hear? What they like, and what they didn't like. So, these "venters" are providing feedback to the producers on what they do not like about tickling clips. True, the producers didn't request it in this thread, but it is feedback nonetheless. I thought that was pretty easy to tell, but I guess not....Fine, call it venting. I'll call it feedback. Call it a day.

If I vent about a bad day I had, is that feedback, or is that me letting off steam? One implies something should happen as a result of whatever I'm talking about, the other doesn't. If you think its one in that same, your business, call it a day.

Um, what point are you trying to make about, "Okay, and are these same people popping up in producers' update threads airing these same grievances?". I'm sorry, I thought I made it clear that people whining over tickling clips, when in the past, this stuff would be a tickle fan's heaven is funny was clear. I have to learn to know who I am dealing with....

I was clear the first time, but I'll try again: you said "for the whole world to see." Really, in one thread that people can choose to ignore or participate in? That's why I asked are these same people popping up in respective producers threads with these same "vents" or not. If the answer is "no", how the heck is that "for the whole world to see"?

I will give you credit though.

How generous of you.

That's my whole point. The reason why I decide to call out the people complaining has more to do with countering their venting than anything else. Once you work inside a customer service organization and deal with people whining all the live long day about a product, you tend to have a whole different point of view about people complaining. Different story if their money was stolen from them, but trust me, the people I deal with get bent out of shape for the most innocuous things. Put it this way. This is my way of "venting".

Weird, I've worked in customer service too and still think there's a difference between venting and feedback to the point I can tell the difference between the two almost instantly. Again, different strokes.

 

[Destrucity]

Thanks for paying attention to this. Many producers don't.

I'm with TickleRelish. Thankfully, I'm innocent on a vast majority of these charges. But taking mental notes, nonetheless...

 

[maniactickler]

When socks are involved.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Every clip producer could use what has been said to their advantage

Not really. Most of these aren't "pet peeves" as much as personal preferences. They're very subjective and vary widely from person to person. What one person hates is what another person loves. It's impossible for a producer to please everybody. So all this feedback, while interesting, isn't as useful as you might think. At least I can't say it's helping me. If anything, I find it more frustrating than anything else. There's little consensus as to what's good and what's bad (aside from a few obvious issues). Some of the things I do in my videos are apparently both enjoyed and disliked, depending on the person. So what am I supposed to do with this information?

 

[Candis20]

When they have shoes on but have no socks. >.> What's the point!?

 

[1golfer]

1. Girls who are not ticklish (this is about 90 percent of the clips you see by the way)
2. Interviews (It's a great idea--the interviewers are generally abysmal)
3. Tickle clips that only tickle the feet (especially the producers that only show the feet--waste of time, waster of $)
4. BBW tickling (Tickling is a turn-on for me--girth is not)
5. Discussion threads over non-con tickling (It doesn't exist in the clip industry)
6. Companies that use the same models over and over again (Brea, Veronika, Brittney, Emily--enough already!)
7. Anime (WTF!)

 

[ShiningIce]

1. Socks. NO FUCKING SOCKS EVER!!!

2. Lers that don't know wtf they're doing. Do me a favor. Just don't put them on camera.

3. DON'T TRY AND TICKLE THEM WITH THEIR FUCKING SHOES ON!!!

 

[primetime]

That's nice. Never told you to stop, just said I don't get how that's comedy. Different strokes.



Likewise I don't think you understand the difference between venting and feedback. Though I'm not arrogant enough to say you should or shouldn't comment on it. I couldn't stop you either way, just like you apparently can't stop me from commenting on what you think *I* don't understand.



If I vent about a bad day I had, is that feedback, or is that me letting off steam? One implies something should happen as a result of whatever I'm talking about, the other doesn't. If you think its one in that same, your business, call it a day.



I was clear the first time, but I'll try again: you said "for the whole world to see." Really, in one thread that people can choose to ignore or participate in? That's why I asked are these same people popping up in respective producers threads with these same "vents" or not. If the answer is "no", how the heck is that "for the whole world to see"?



How generous of you.



Weird, I've worked in customer service too and still think there's a difference between venting and feedback to the point I can tell the difference between the two almost instantly. Again, different strokes.

*Sigh* I think I will help you out since you seem to be having quite the difficulty understanding what I am trying to say. Venting is feedback. When you are venting about a SPECIFIC thing about a product (tickling clips), you are providing feedback. You are telling the producer exactly what it is that is causing you such distress. Notice the producers in this thread consider this thread a FEEDBACK thread.

Now, if you're having a bad day and are screaming "I am having a bad day! My car broke down! my dog died! There is war across the planet!", that would be "venting". However, if you are screaming "This product is not good because it lacks XYZ! This product is terrible because it includes ABC!", that is "feedback". Now, for the million dollar prize (monopoly money), guess what people in this thread are doing? Are they discussing something very specific or are they venting about something that's general? Guess, what, they are venting about specific issues related to a specific type of product. That is feedback. In your eyes, it is "venting", but their venting is actually considered feedback.

Why do I get this feeling you won't get it? If you worked in customer service dealing with a specific product (let's use cell phones for example) and customers are "venting" that their specific handset uses battery power way too fast for their liking and they are not happy, is that feedback or simply venting? Again, what are the people in this thread doing? They are venting about very specific likes and dislikes of a product. If I am a producer of clips, I would consider this entire thread feedback....