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@ Kalamos- Are you blackmailing me?
@ cosmo- I won't repeat myself.
@ cosmo- I won't repeat myself.
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-> DJ
Blackmailing? Oh, you mean "obtaining by means of threats, extorting something by exerting pressure"...
Do you feel under pressure?
I sincerely apologize: I meant to bring no harm to you in any way.
Besides, I have no reason why, and no way to. Especially through a web forum.
😀 😀 😀
I was just repeating what you had just typed.
Maybe you are just over-reacting.
My regards, DJ.
Blackmailing? Oh, you mean "obtaining by means of threats, extorting something by exerting pressure"...
Do you feel under pressure?
I sincerely apologize: I meant to bring no harm to you in any way.
Besides, I have no reason why, and no way to. Especially through a web forum.
😀 😀 😀
I was just repeating what you had just typed.
Maybe you are just over-reacting.
My regards, DJ.
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Oh, I'm not over-reacting at all. I didn't have anything to worry about then, I won't have anything to worry about now. I just find your choice of capitalizing on what I said interesting. 😉
If you fail to repost the question, one that i obviously can't see you asking, that is your choice. and since you refuse to answer mine, i'll have to assume once again.
Two scenarios. First one, you make comments because you want to help. Fair enough. Here's the problem though. Not all artists feel your being helpful. Your comments upset them. Now, this is counter productive and cause more harm then good. So, if people are obviously displeased with yuor comments, then thats a good sign your comments are unwanted. If people liek your commentes, find them helfpful, then thats fine. Your being helpful. Carry on. If they obviously don't like it though, then perhaps you should do the curtious thing and simply stop.
Second scenario, even though it';s obvious that people don't want your critisism, you still do, only upsetting them more and bringing them down, because your either oblivious of the fact, or are simply doing it to upset others.
Two scenarios. First one, you make comments because you want to help. Fair enough. Here's the problem though. Not all artists feel your being helpful. Your comments upset them. Now, this is counter productive and cause more harm then good. So, if people are obviously displeased with yuor comments, then thats a good sign your comments are unwanted. If people liek your commentes, find them helfpful, then thats fine. Your being helpful. Carry on. If they obviously don't like it though, then perhaps you should do the curtious thing and simply stop.
Second scenario, even though it';s obvious that people don't want your critisism, you still do, only upsetting them more and bringing them down, because your either oblivious of the fact, or are simply doing it to upset others.
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Read my last two posts. The question is there, you are pretending its not and are overlooking it on purpose.
Assume what you want. It doesn't change anything. You obviously put alot of effort into this for nothing and I'm not going to humor you. Those two scenarios were pre-prepared, and they are not the only two one could arrive at. This isn't even about me, its about him. How he reacts. I have very little to do with it save for my words which are very much still an opinion.
EDIT: They are no longer in the last two posts. Look at the top of the page and start from there, at the bottom of the posts. I asked you a question when you asked me one.
Assume what you want. It doesn't change anything. You obviously put alot of effort into this for nothing and I'm not going to humor you. Those two scenarios were pre-prepared, and they are not the only two one could arrive at. This isn't even about me, its about him. How he reacts. I have very little to do with it save for my words which are very much still an opinion.
EDIT: They are no longer in the last two posts. Look at the top of the page and start from there, at the bottom of the posts. I asked you a question when you asked me one.
If the question is why your opinions matter so much and why people take them to heart, i honestly don't know. Perhaps some people are senstive, or perhaps they just get tired of your comments. I don't pretend to know. Obbvioulsy Gripped has gotten tired of your comments, so, the questions is, will you stop, or continue to bother him, simply because you can. If you think your helping him, it would seem he doesn't want your help, so there is little point in posting yuo comments on his work. If your trying to antagonize him, well your doing that already.
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If you have been following along I already answered most of your worries. He doesn't need my help. He is a case where nothing could be given to him because he's the type thats too stubborn to take advice anyway. Tomato Dragon, who is a far better artist, in my opinion, than GC did take my advice. He proved to me thats its not just me. Lots of people have taken my advice both on site and off. So this isn't a question about the quality of my advice or whether or not it helps when I give it, this is about my opinion on MY impression of HIS art.
You are taking this beyond the subject at hand. This is about GC. I don't see how I'm antagonizing him. Thats silly talk. You just seem to be throwing random stuff at me now to see if any of it will work. I can sense how desperate you are. Why not quit while you are ahead? I'm not backing down from this because I'm not doing anything wrong. You may call it merely a technicality, but I call it following the rules. I am following the rules, and that is to say I'm not crossing them either.
The longer this thread continues the more it deterioriates. Thats not my doing. Its people responding to me in angst instead of reasonable debate or discussion about the topic itself which is his art. If I was either ignored or was dealt with in a professional manner this wouldn't be a problem and I wouldn't have had a, then, reason for posting again.
This situation is no different that King Midriff's thread. I give an opinion there, that opinion is attacked, I defend myself, the administrator of this forum no less comes forward, agrees with me, and closes the thread.
Now tell me why that shouldn't happen again if you people are going to antagonize me and make my opinion seem like a personal insult? I gave my opinion about his artwork, but you want to make it about more than that. You want to creates this pedigree, this history to build momentum in the claim that I am always like this and that I have been like this forever. You need to wake up and realize there is nothing wrong with me.
I am NOT responsible for how people feel or how people react.
You are taking this beyond the subject at hand. This is about GC. I don't see how I'm antagonizing him. Thats silly talk. You just seem to be throwing random stuff at me now to see if any of it will work. I can sense how desperate you are. Why not quit while you are ahead? I'm not backing down from this because I'm not doing anything wrong. You may call it merely a technicality, but I call it following the rules. I am following the rules, and that is to say I'm not crossing them either.
The longer this thread continues the more it deterioriates. Thats not my doing. Its people responding to me in angst instead of reasonable debate or discussion about the topic itself which is his art. If I was either ignored or was dealt with in a professional manner this wouldn't be a problem and I wouldn't have had a, then, reason for posting again.
This situation is no different that King Midriff's thread. I give an opinion there, that opinion is attacked, I defend myself, the administrator of this forum no less comes forward, agrees with me, and closes the thread.
Now tell me why that shouldn't happen again if you people are going to antagonize me and make my opinion seem like a personal insult? I gave my opinion about his artwork, but you want to make it about more than that. You want to creates this pedigree, this history to build momentum in the claim that I am always like this and that I have been like this forever. You need to wake up and realize there is nothing wrong with me.
I am NOT responsible for how people feel or how people react.
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I have made up my mind. Don't try and put what I said at two different times in this conversation when things were different, together in an effort to make me sound contradictive. Because its really quite simple.
But just so it doesn't seem like a cop-out I will explain, yet again, when I shouldn't even have to. But here it is-
The key is balance. Meaning that, if someone wants to talk about my opinion, thats fine. If they want to disagree with it, thats fine too. That is what this board and the art itself calls us to do. It is what is done. People discussing the topic.
Now your second quote (taken from me of course), about being professional, has just been answered. Clearly there is a right and a wrong way to do things. I have been working within the rules. GC openly insulted me. He is trying to make this personal to legitimize what he says. He even said he'd stoop to my level. Well, I didn't do any stooping, he did that on his own. He met his own personal low. He slipped up and said something he probably shouldn't have because now its biting him in the ass. Not my problem.
As for me, I've already told you all before what I think is ideal and what I think is acceptable. These 'long essays' as some people call them weren't for nothing. I don't just talk to hear myself talk. I need not go over this again. My intentions and my wishes are already known and if you can't get that through your head, yet again, after all thats happened, I don't know what to tell you.
But just so it doesn't seem like a cop-out I will explain, yet again, when I shouldn't even have to. But here it is-
The key is balance. Meaning that, if someone wants to talk about my opinion, thats fine. If they want to disagree with it, thats fine too. That is what this board and the art itself calls us to do. It is what is done. People discussing the topic.
Now your second quote (taken from me of course), about being professional, has just been answered. Clearly there is a right and a wrong way to do things. I have been working within the rules. GC openly insulted me. He is trying to make this personal to legitimize what he says. He even said he'd stoop to my level. Well, I didn't do any stooping, he did that on his own. He met his own personal low. He slipped up and said something he probably shouldn't have because now its biting him in the ass. Not my problem.
As for me, I've already told you all before what I think is ideal and what I think is acceptable. These 'long essays' as some people call them weren't for nothing. I don't just talk to hear myself talk. I need not go over this again. My intentions and my wishes are already known and if you can't get that through your head, yet again, after all thats happened, I don't know what to tell you.
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Celtic_Emperor said:
Oh sure I can: I just love having a friendly chat with my pals over an open forum, that's why I come back for more niceties. 🙂
By the way, I found the other Golden Feather nominees.
Here, this should help your memory -> http://www.ticklingforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=69
The other nominees were Ozzy [Yenny's author], Okari, [who hosted a link in his site to your group], and PhilJ [who has a personal forum over Tickle Theater].
I thought they were still active, especially Ozzy - who is a published artist. Maybe I was wrong. 🙂
Now, I wonder why nobody posted a nomination for you.
Dave2112 felt Gripped Chimp was a good nominee: he posted his nomination, after all...
Maybe he was wrong too.
You might ask him, and maybe even notify him you have been insulted by GC.
Reporting a rule breach is within your powers and rights. You shouldn't let a transgressor get away with it.
Unreported rule violations only make the forum worse.
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You are being petty again. I remember this from last time.
And oh, for the record, nobody posted a nomination for me because I didn't even know at the time there was even an awards presentation at all. I wasn't advertizing myself like GC was, and I didn't see that until it was too late either. I wasn't nominated because I wasn't running. How can you run for something you don't even know exists?
See now, you are being pety. You are trying to say that I think it was wrong for GC to win and the people that supported him were idiots or something. Thats not true and thats not how I feel at all. I don't think it was wrong. Thats not what I said or implied. I questioned whether or not the voting process was legitimate and people voted for the right reasons. The factors were in his favor AT THE TIME. Sure, NOW you can say this stuff and it would hold some weight, but we're talking about something that happened some time ago when the circumstances were different. Also, remember, you brought it up, not I.
You know as well as I do, because I'm sure you're an intellgent man with all the undead skeleton joking gimmick aside, that you know that what happened with this thread should not have happened. But it has. Funny how you were apparently defending me before. It was convienient then, wasn't it? When less people were involved. But as soon as you are endangered you jump ship and switch sides. You're a hypocrite, and a coward. There is no way you can say you are neutral.
And oh, for the record, nobody posted a nomination for me because I didn't even know at the time there was even an awards presentation at all. I wasn't advertizing myself like GC was, and I didn't see that until it was too late either. I wasn't nominated because I wasn't running. How can you run for something you don't even know exists?
See now, you are being pety. You are trying to say that I think it was wrong for GC to win and the people that supported him were idiots or something. Thats not true and thats not how I feel at all. I don't think it was wrong. Thats not what I said or implied. I questioned whether or not the voting process was legitimate and people voted for the right reasons. The factors were in his favor AT THE TIME. Sure, NOW you can say this stuff and it would hold some weight, but we're talking about something that happened some time ago when the circumstances were different. Also, remember, you brought it up, not I.
You know as well as I do, because I'm sure you're an intellgent man with all the undead skeleton joking gimmick aside, that you know that what happened with this thread should not have happened. But it has. Funny how you were apparently defending me before. It was convienient then, wasn't it? When less people were involved. But as soon as you are endangered you jump ship and switch sides. You're a hypocrite, and a coward. There is no way you can say you are neutral.
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-> DJ
I wasn't nominated because I wasn't running. How can you run for something you don't even know exists?
Dave2112 posted GC's nomination on 12-19-2003 02:33 PM.
You joined on November 2002, and started posting your pics shortly after.
But I suppose none took notice of your pictures until much later. 🙂
See now, you are being petty. You are trying to say that I think it was wrong for GC to win and the people that supported him were idiots or something.
I'm not trying to say anything. I was just helping your memory.
But you know them better than me.
Oh, by the way, FF7tickler seconded Gripped Chimp's nomination. 😉
You know as well as I do, because I'm sure you're an intellgent man with all the undead skeleton joking gimmick aside, that you know that what happened with this thread should not have happened.
In case you haven't noticed, I've changed my avatar, lately. 😉
Now I sport a rather classy italian renaissance helm.
YOU turned your avatar into a vampire.
Details...
But it has. Funny how you were apparently defending me before. It was convienient then, wasn't it? When less people were involved. But as soon as you are endangered you jump ship and switch sides. You're a hypocrite, and a coward.
Things are only as apparent as you can see them.
To quote a reliable source, "I am NOT responsible for how people feel or how people react", or what people presume. 😉
Again, if you feel GC slighted you, by all means, report him and have his posts deleted.
I won't report yours, though, since I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt. You were clearly upset and you probably didn't mean what you typed. 🙂
Before I forget... I checked Tomato Dragon's pics.
He actually modified a pic after a comment of yours.
But I suppose suggesting a bit more colour on the breast is the same as calling an artist's whole repertoire "redundant". 🙂
Reg's.
I wasn't nominated because I wasn't running. How can you run for something you don't even know exists?
Dave2112 posted GC's nomination on 12-19-2003 02:33 PM.
You joined on November 2002, and started posting your pics shortly after.
But I suppose none took notice of your pictures until much later. 🙂
See now, you are being petty. You are trying to say that I think it was wrong for GC to win and the people that supported him were idiots or something.
I'm not trying to say anything. I was just helping your memory.
But you know them better than me.
Oh, by the way, FF7tickler seconded Gripped Chimp's nomination. 😉
You know as well as I do, because I'm sure you're an intellgent man with all the undead skeleton joking gimmick aside, that you know that what happened with this thread should not have happened.
In case you haven't noticed, I've changed my avatar, lately. 😉
Now I sport a rather classy italian renaissance helm.
YOU turned your avatar into a vampire.
Details...
But it has. Funny how you were apparently defending me before. It was convienient then, wasn't it? When less people were involved. But as soon as you are endangered you jump ship and switch sides. You're a hypocrite, and a coward.
Things are only as apparent as you can see them.
To quote a reliable source, "I am NOT responsible for how people feel or how people react", or what people presume. 😉
Again, if you feel GC slighted you, by all means, report him and have his posts deleted.
I won't report yours, though, since I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt. You were clearly upset and you probably didn't mean what you typed. 🙂
Before I forget... I checked Tomato Dragon's pics.
He actually modified a pic after a comment of yours.
But I suppose suggesting a bit more colour on the breast is the same as calling an artist's whole repertoire "redundant". 🙂
Reg's.
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You know, that post of yours right now helps me in every way. Are you so sure thats what you want to be doing, or was that an accident and you meant it to provide a means to question me further?😛
And why do you think my memory would need refreshing? I remember everything. Saying you thought I would need it is just an excuse to post it again. You are looking for an excuse to carry this on. Have I made any new points past the original? No. I don't have to. Why? Because what I said was as solid as gold. Its untouchable. Why? Because its the truth. Why? Because I gave my reasons for my opinions, just like I did before in the other threads. It was the same then and its the same now.
And why do you think my memory would need refreshing? I remember everything. Saying you thought I would need it is just an excuse to post it again. You are looking for an excuse to carry this on. Have I made any new points past the original? No. I don't have to. Why? Because what I said was as solid as gold. Its untouchable. Why? Because its the truth. Why? Because I gave my reasons for my opinions, just like I did before in the other threads. It was the same then and its the same now.
your the type of guy who likes to come on here and type para after para in so called "debates" to try and best everyone else, huh? Must not have much of a life....but, by all means, continue, it's really funny shit. Whatever makes you feel better, bud. Point out them weak points, lol. 😀 😉
"Oh yes, I noticed that the color starts to slightly fade at the tips of the fingers...."
"it's ok....I just wish it were as good as mine...but thats impossible"
"I noticed that the left eye seems to be slightly larger than the right...I highly suggest that you correct this mistake, the picture largely suffers because of it."
These would be so funny, yet oddly believable....
"Oh yes, I noticed that the color starts to slightly fade at the tips of the fingers...."
"it's ok....I just wish it were as good as mine...but thats impossible"
"I noticed that the left eye seems to be slightly larger than the right...I highly suggest that you correct this mistake, the picture largely suffers because of it."
These would be so funny, yet oddly believable....
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Do you really think I give a damn what you think?
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-> DJ
You know, that post of yours right now helps me in every way. Are you so sure thats what you want to be doing, or was that an accident and you meant it to provide a means to question me further?😛
I'm just enjoying the chat. Don't you think it would be a pleasure for anybody to talk with you? 😉
And why do you think my memory would need refreshing? I remember everything.
You forgot of Okari. He posted a link to your group from his site.
I'd remember this, and consider him a friend - or at least a good neighbour.
Because what I said was as solid as gold. Its untouchable. Why? Because its the truth. Why? Because I gave my reasons for my opinions, just like I did before in the other threads. It was the same then and its the same now.
Truth is subjective.
Or did you really mean to say I am petty, hypocritical and cowardly?
🙂
You know, that post of yours right now helps me in every way. Are you so sure thats what you want to be doing, or was that an accident and you meant it to provide a means to question me further?😛
I'm just enjoying the chat. Don't you think it would be a pleasure for anybody to talk with you? 😉
And why do you think my memory would need refreshing? I remember everything.
You forgot of Okari. He posted a link to your group from his site.
I'd remember this, and consider him a friend - or at least a good neighbour.
Because what I said was as solid as gold. Its untouchable. Why? Because its the truth. Why? Because I gave my reasons for my opinions, just like I did before in the other threads. It was the same then and its the same now.
Truth is subjective.
Or did you really mean to say I am petty, hypocritical and cowardly?
🙂
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Okay, now you're switching out on me.
1. If thats true, and you are enjoying the chat, then hopefully you can stop being sarcastic. That wouldn't be much to ask. And no, not everyone would want to talk to me. What a silly question to ask in this situation.
2. I didn't forget him, I forgot to add him however. As for a link of his being posted to my group, I don't recall an "Okari" posting any link, unless of course they are using different names at different places.
3. This fact is not subjective- I gave my opinion. Thats all I'm saying there, it has nothing to do with you.
@ Bra-
Sure I replied. And so has everyone else. No one is avoiding anyone here. And trust me, people care. If they didn't this wouldn't be happening. You contradict yourself in posting. The truth is, you care that I don't care that you don't care that I care. See, I didn't say I didn't care to comment. I just said I didn't care what you think. So are two different things. You've injected yourself into this conversation as a faceless newbie. I have no relation to you, so we'll see what develops.
1. If thats true, and you are enjoying the chat, then hopefully you can stop being sarcastic. That wouldn't be much to ask. And no, not everyone would want to talk to me. What a silly question to ask in this situation.
2. I didn't forget him, I forgot to add him however. As for a link of his being posted to my group, I don't recall an "Okari" posting any link, unless of course they are using different names at different places.
3. This fact is not subjective- I gave my opinion. Thats all I'm saying there, it has nothing to do with you.
@ Bra-
Sure I replied. And so has everyone else. No one is avoiding anyone here. And trust me, people care. If they didn't this wouldn't be happening. You contradict yourself in posting. The truth is, you care that I don't care that you don't care that I care. See, I didn't say I didn't care to comment. I just said I didn't care what you think. So are two different things. You've injected yourself into this conversation as a faceless newbie. I have no relation to you, so we'll see what develops.
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-> Brafus
No, sorry Brafus.
Everybody is free to express his or her own mind in a civil manner.
Mods would never allow people to single out an artist and harrass him or her with unsolicited criticism.
So, please abstain from this kind of comments: your behaviour will only jeopardize the forum's harmony, and turn this lovely chat into a nasty argument.
Nasty arguments turn into flames. Flames make the threads close. Closed threads hurt the original posters.
🙂
-> DJ
Have a look yourself.
-> http://www.okart.privat.t-online.de/13687.html
Reg's.
No, sorry Brafus.
Everybody is free to express his or her own mind in a civil manner.
Mods would never allow people to single out an artist and harrass him or her with unsolicited criticism.
So, please abstain from this kind of comments: your behaviour will only jeopardize the forum's harmony, and turn this lovely chat into a nasty argument.
Nasty arguments turn into flames. Flames make the threads close. Closed threads hurt the original posters.
🙂
-> DJ
Have a look yourself.
-> http://www.okart.privat.t-online.de/13687.html
Reg's.
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@ BRA- You can't speak for a whole forum, nor represent them. Thats foolish. There are plenty of people that want me here, more than those that don't. I wouldn't get mail upon mail messeges, people wouldn't reply, people wouldn't IM me, people wouldn't request picture after picture after picture, etc. etc., if I wasn't wanted here. The fact I am here and my art keeps on coming is a testament to how wrong you are. You have no idea just how wrong you are. You take one little thread you weren't even involved in and that makes what you say so? Don't make me laugh.
@ Kalamos- Yes. And that is what I have done. Theres no real issue here. Its all about an opinion.
@ Kalamos- Yes. And that is what I have done. Theres no real issue here. Its all about an opinion.
yea, your right kala....but you would be hard pressed to find any of the reg artist here who disagree with my analogy of this guy. But I will do it in his fashion.
CE:
The main thing I don't like about this guy is the fact that he feels the need to point out the "negative" aspects of everyones artwork here at the TMF. This is rather silly, especially considering that most who browse this forum are only using the art to jack off, and aren't looking for "masterpieces" of art. They are fuggin tickling pics. As long as it looks semi-ok and involves */f tickling, people that look here will enjoy it.
He also obviously has a "Im better than you" type attitude, which is also extremely annoying. He types para after para in a vain attempt to make himself look better, when in reality, he is just making himself look like more of an asshole than people already think he is. He is the type of guy that always has to have the last word, always has to have that secure feeling like he "won" the day. These types are strange, I guess it's because they don't have any friends, or don't have anything else better to do. My analogy is that he feels like his artwork is the basis of which all should be judged by, even though he hardly has any tickling pics (odd, since he post here at a tickling forum) and he feels that since nobody gets picky with his art, that it is in essence, perfect. The reality of the matter is that nobody cares about trivial things like that. All most here are looking for is the next release. This isn't a major art forum or a well known art forum. This a a forum where people that have tickling fetishes come and view artwork drawn by fellow tickling fanatics that will satisfy thier wants and needs. Simple as that. Most artists here understand that....CE does not.
Also, Ive been here far longer than you CE, so your the n00b ...and no, they dont really like you, they just want you to draw more pics for them so thew will have more whacking material. Most of them, anyhow.
CE:
The main thing I don't like about this guy is the fact that he feels the need to point out the "negative" aspects of everyones artwork here at the TMF. This is rather silly, especially considering that most who browse this forum are only using the art to jack off, and aren't looking for "masterpieces" of art. They are fuggin tickling pics. As long as it looks semi-ok and involves */f tickling, people that look here will enjoy it.
He also obviously has a "Im better than you" type attitude, which is also extremely annoying. He types para after para in a vain attempt to make himself look better, when in reality, he is just making himself look like more of an asshole than people already think he is. He is the type of guy that always has to have the last word, always has to have that secure feeling like he "won" the day. These types are strange, I guess it's because they don't have any friends, or don't have anything else better to do. My analogy is that he feels like his artwork is the basis of which all should be judged by, even though he hardly has any tickling pics (odd, since he post here at a tickling forum) and he feels that since nobody gets picky with his art, that it is in essence, perfect. The reality of the matter is that nobody cares about trivial things like that. All most here are looking for is the next release. This isn't a major art forum or a well known art forum. This a a forum where people that have tickling fetishes come and view artwork drawn by fellow tickling fanatics that will satisfy thier wants and needs. Simple as that. Most artists here understand that....CE does not.
Also, Ive been here far longer than you CE, so your the n00b ...and no, they dont really like you, they just want you to draw more pics for them so thew will have more whacking material. Most of them, anyhow.
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@ BRA-
Its your right to say that, but its wrong. You do not know what I am thinking and you do not know what I mean to imply. So long as that is so, you are wrong. Everything you said was an assumption of my character. You are not me, I am me. You are you.
You are just repeating what a few others have already said. What do we need you for? No one here needs a recap. And I hope you know what you are doing isn't helping, its making it worse, and that will reflect on the outcome of this thread.
@ Kalamos- I didn't know he added my link. When did that happen?
Its your right to say that, but its wrong. You do not know what I am thinking and you do not know what I mean to imply. So long as that is so, you are wrong. Everything you said was an assumption of my character. You are not me, I am me. You are you.
You are just repeating what a few others have already said. What do we need you for? No one here needs a recap. And I hope you know what you are doing isn't helping, its making it worse, and that will reflect on the outcome of this thread.
@ Kalamos- I didn't know he added my link. When did that happen?
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