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Tickling involving our sons/daughters (18+)
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This. I 100% agree with kenny, and I likewise resent the PC paranoia about anything mentioned under 18. I never met, heard of, or had the slightest concern about a pedophile while growing up. I did, however, tickle and get tickled all the time. That it's currently in vogue to overreact about this is utterly WRONG
I'm pretty sure being against posting fetish material about kids transcends political boundaries.
Oddjob0226
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In the old days of the TMF folks wrote about family & teacher tickling fairly often, male & female posters.
Not only is that how a lot of fetishes manifest but it showed even fetish people could separate the appropriate & inapprorpiate use of tickling.
Not only is that how a lot of fetishes manifest but it showed even fetish people could separate the appropriate & inapprorpiate use of tickling.
Please feel free to peruse the stories section as there is
"an ALARMING amount of garbage that shouldn't be on there." (another members words upon seeing the shit I bumped in stories section.)
It actually took me a very short amount of time, unfortunately.
"an ALARMING amount of garbage that shouldn't be on there." (another members words upon seeing the shit I bumped in stories section.)
It actually took me a very short amount of time, unfortunately.
Yeah, kinda puts the whole "random news items from radio station sites are giving this community a black eye" thing in perspective, doesn't it?
What perspective does it give when the mods tell me to stop bumping those threads instead of just freaking deleting them?
A clearer but unfortunate perspective, I'd say.
Exactly thank you im glad im not the only one against this crap. There was a movie with Wesley Snipes where if you swore in the street you were issued a vioaltion. Were not far from that, and it scary as hell.
What rights do you feel are in danger?
I mean, what specifically would you like to talk about that you don't feel safe in doing so?
Okay. Then why have the rule, at all?
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Beats me, it’s certainly not my rule.
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Chicago is correct in pointing out the problem and showcasing the extent of it through her thread bumping, all of these stories are against the rules and need to be removed. The constant slow boil of underage content on a fetish forum is icky. Our moral compasses should really need no adjustments on posting this kind of stuff.
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Hello.
Mic's on? Good.
"Why do we have the rule in the first place?"
Good question. And one that many members probably have no clue about. Because Said rule was issued when they were probably still working out basic addition or how to walk. It was that long ago.
When we started the TMF the web as we know it today was a dream in a lot of programmers minds. Dial up was the way we connected, video files couldn't even be hosted, and fetish based communities were not a few clicks away on Fetlife. In fact there was no Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and so on. Google was brand new, just another search site. Myspace was just starting to rock. AOL was king of the ISP's.
It was a new world. And one that none of us fully understood.
So we opened the forum with an eye to communication, and an ability to interact with others that shared your likes. And let things rip.
In those early days one of the big things that people wanted to discuss and understand was "How did I get like this?" They wanted to see if others were like them, and if what they experienced was common or not. And 'Early experiences' were common posts here. People spoke about things that had happened to them. And so forth. It was useful.
And there was a huge thread of early experiences that was pages long.
So far all was cool.
But that was not to last. I was made aware that there were some members on site that were fishing for minors interaction here. It was mostly in the chatroom, but it was also in PM and sprinkled across threads. I created a few accounts that had some very specific profiles that indicated that perhaps the member was a bit young, and made some story posts with some, visited the chat room with others.
I got a lot of responses. And some of them were decidedly NOT COOL.
We had a problem.
There were people on the forum that we did not want here.
So I took steps to be rid of them. First was the iron clad we know you are not yet 18 years old and your account dies rule. 18 was chosen because it's the one age that in the US all states agree is 'legal'. So that line was dropped there for that reason. Sorry other countries where a 17 year old can consent. Sorry states where that was true. We are US based so we picked a US based line.
Next came the blanket 18 year old media rule. Images, video of a minor were forbidden. Stories about minors went next, and the same for art. You can still see the 'artificial aging' thread stoked at the top of stories which was placed to handle a reach around of taking a minor and making them old 'Big' style to get sexual. It also introduced the endless BS about if a fictional character is a minor or not and how and when they can and can't be used. But that is a time pit for another day.
The reason these media rules were added was because of a concept called 'Atmospheric policing'. Minor content attracted the sort of people that were problems. By removing the content said problems would move on to other places. And to this end it worked.
The one area of exception that was left was posts where discussion took place, and most specifically the early experiences thread. We felt there was honest merit to the community for people to be able to discuss this stuff, and decided to allow it to continue with periodic review.
Well a year or so later I made said periodic review. And read the early experience thread. And about 80% of the posts that had been made in that year were, to be frank, bullshit. Thinly veiled tickling porn involving minors. It was detailed to a level that was literary. This wasn't people discussing things that happened to them, it was people typing with one hand and jerking off with the other.
So people couldn't handle the toy. So I took it away. And I killed discussion of underage activity in any organized fashion.
I left a carve out for people to still discuss things about how they became aware of how they got interested in tickling. This included detailing some memories and such as long as it wasn't slavish prose that was designed to arouse. And there was not central repository thread for it anymore. Posts came and went. It worked well enough. Every now and again we get a poster that goes on a rip posting minor oriented threads. Very quickly they vanish as does said poster.
It's a balance that I struck with people being able to connect and discuss and attracting folks that no one wants about.
And that is how we got here.
We are a SEXUALLY oriented community in the eyes of the law. Thus our content is viewed in that light. It doesn't matter how any one individual might view it.
In an age where children, and the correct word IS children are having sex, have access to the hardest core porn made, and able to interact from behind a screen with people decades older it might seem quaint or stupid that we here hold the line at 18. But it's a line we chose for our own survival and also for our communities comfort. Time and again members have told us clearly they don't want minor content here by a vast majority. They don't want minors here. And they certainly don't want those that prey upon minors about.
And there is all sorts of legal BS that is about also that is an ever present risk factor for our existence.
So that's why things are the way they are.
There are lines you can walk up to, and it's allowed. Cross them and things get vanished. Cross them a lot and you get vanished.
And that is the background that all of you are operating in but might not know.
Myriads
Mic's on? Good.
"Why do we have the rule in the first place?"
Good question. And one that many members probably have no clue about. Because Said rule was issued when they were probably still working out basic addition or how to walk. It was that long ago.
When we started the TMF the web as we know it today was a dream in a lot of programmers minds. Dial up was the way we connected, video files couldn't even be hosted, and fetish based communities were not a few clicks away on Fetlife. In fact there was no Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and so on. Google was brand new, just another search site. Myspace was just starting to rock. AOL was king of the ISP's.
It was a new world. And one that none of us fully understood.
So we opened the forum with an eye to communication, and an ability to interact with others that shared your likes. And let things rip.
In those early days one of the big things that people wanted to discuss and understand was "How did I get like this?" They wanted to see if others were like them, and if what they experienced was common or not. And 'Early experiences' were common posts here. People spoke about things that had happened to them. And so forth. It was useful.
And there was a huge thread of early experiences that was pages long.
So far all was cool.
But that was not to last. I was made aware that there were some members on site that were fishing for minors interaction here. It was mostly in the chatroom, but it was also in PM and sprinkled across threads. I created a few accounts that had some very specific profiles that indicated that perhaps the member was a bit young, and made some story posts with some, visited the chat room with others.
I got a lot of responses. And some of them were decidedly NOT COOL.
We had a problem.
There were people on the forum that we did not want here.
So I took steps to be rid of them. First was the iron clad we know you are not yet 18 years old and your account dies rule. 18 was chosen because it's the one age that in the US all states agree is 'legal'. So that line was dropped there for that reason. Sorry other countries where a 17 year old can consent. Sorry states where that was true. We are US based so we picked a US based line.
Next came the blanket 18 year old media rule. Images, video of a minor were forbidden. Stories about minors went next, and the same for art. You can still see the 'artificial aging' thread stoked at the top of stories which was placed to handle a reach around of taking a minor and making them old 'Big' style to get sexual. It also introduced the endless BS about if a fictional character is a minor or not and how and when they can and can't be used. But that is a time pit for another day.
The reason these media rules were added was because of a concept called 'Atmospheric policing'. Minor content attracted the sort of people that were problems. By removing the content said problems would move on to other places. And to this end it worked.
The one area of exception that was left was posts where discussion took place, and most specifically the early experiences thread. We felt there was honest merit to the community for people to be able to discuss this stuff, and decided to allow it to continue with periodic review.
Well a year or so later I made said periodic review. And read the early experience thread. And about 80% of the posts that had been made in that year were, to be frank, bullshit. Thinly veiled tickling porn involving minors. It was detailed to a level that was literary. This wasn't people discussing things that happened to them, it was people typing with one hand and jerking off with the other.
So people couldn't handle the toy. So I took it away. And I killed discussion of underage activity in any organized fashion.
I left a carve out for people to still discuss things about how they became aware of how they got interested in tickling. This included detailing some memories and such as long as it wasn't slavish prose that was designed to arouse. And there was not central repository thread for it anymore. Posts came and went. It worked well enough. Every now and again we get a poster that goes on a rip posting minor oriented threads. Very quickly they vanish as does said poster.
It's a balance that I struck with people being able to connect and discuss and attracting folks that no one wants about.
And that is how we got here.
We are a SEXUALLY oriented community in the eyes of the law. Thus our content is viewed in that light. It doesn't matter how any one individual might view it.
In an age where children, and the correct word IS children are having sex, have access to the hardest core porn made, and able to interact from behind a screen with people decades older it might seem quaint or stupid that we here hold the line at 18. But it's a line we chose for our own survival and also for our communities comfort. Time and again members have told us clearly they don't want minor content here by a vast majority. They don't want minors here. And they certainly don't want those that prey upon minors about.
And there is all sorts of legal BS that is about also that is an ever present risk factor for our existence.
So that's why things are the way they are.
There are lines you can walk up to, and it's allowed. Cross them and things get vanished. Cross them a lot and you get vanished.
And that is the background that all of you are operating in but might not know.
Myriads
My kids are under age 18, but I would never write a story or brag to someone on this site about tickling them. I may tickle kids from time to time, and I may kiss my kids from time to time. I tickle and kiss my wife as well, but it is a whole different type of kissing and tickling. The tickling of kids is simply an innocent bonding activity between a father and his children; not the type of tickling that is a sexual turn on. I certainly would never ever plan any type of "tickling session" with my kids, and I do not think that is going to change when they reach age 18.
Now, this thread devolved into critiquing early "age experiences" story. In my view there is a huge difference between a guy in his 30's writing a story about him going out and tickling a 15 year old and him writing story about tickling a classmate when he was 15. Speaking as someone that has kids, I would be more concerned with my kids being around the former than the latter. My view is one predatorial and the other is a coming of age story. I know in my case that my sexuality did not begin when I turned 18. Now, I think the site no longer allows these type of stories, and that is fine. I don't own this site and I have no right to tell the owner what type of content he should have on his site.
Now, this thread devolved into critiquing early "age experiences" story. In my view there is a huge difference between a guy in his 30's writing a story about him going out and tickling a 15 year old and him writing story about tickling a classmate when he was 15. Speaking as someone that has kids, I would be more concerned with my kids being around the former than the latter. My view is one predatorial and the other is a coming of age story. I know in my case that my sexuality did not begin when I turned 18. Now, I think the site no longer allows these type of stories, and that is fine. I don't own this site and I have no right to tell the owner what type of content he should have on his site.
If you find these type of material offensive or think its morally wrong, you can always leave and you never have to come back. There is absolutely no requirement that you have to be here. You could also create and own website or forum and not allow such content. Look, there are some things that bother me on this forum, but they have never annoyed me enough that I have decided to go ahead and leave. And I certainly do not want to spend the money to host my own website.
Chicago isn't the problem, those stories are. I think that sending the mods a PM about them would have been the better alternative but I think we should go to a zero tolerance policy on any content involving a minor. Myriads stated it well, discussing the origins of our fetish is too much for some people. Give the powers that be some time and I'm sure they'll get rid of this stuff as much as humanly possible.
Totally agree
magic fingers
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You're thinking of Demolition Man starring Snipes, Stallone, Dennis Leary Rob Schneider and Sandra Bullock. Snipes had the best line when he said "You can't take away people's right to be assholes."
Warden Keller
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Changed one word, see the problem?
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No, he said tickled, used on a fetish forum that is all about tickling in a sexual sense.
Man, when the founding fathers penned the first amendment they really should have clarified that it is protecting our right to have kids in our wank bank. Let’s keep fighting those PC Nazi SJWs, they can take my ephebophile erotica from my cold dead windowless van.
Man, when the founding fathers penned the first amendment they really should have clarified that it is protecting our right to have kids in our wank bank. Let’s keep fighting those PC Nazi SJWs, they can take my ephebophile erotica from my cold dead windowless van.
smokinj
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Unfortunately the pc police always make it a problem. As far as I’m concerned if you can’t handle reading a story about underaged kids getting tickled as it relates to ‘coming of age’ without becoming aroused then that’s your sick problem. Some people like to share how their fetish came to be and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Thanks for the background, Myriads. It really is helpful to see how things have evolved and you've had to try to adapt with them. Especially because a lot of it is behind the scenes for most of us.
I would quibble with your "when we started the TMF" characterization as wholly new and uncharted, because this was by no means the first or only. Some of us remember the pre-internet days, and then various precursor attempts all the way back to ASFT. But the TMF became by far the largest and most enduring. You and the other mods are obviously doing something right, so let me begin with simple appreciation: thank you. It cannot be easy, but your hard work has enabled this wonderful forum for a topic that is highly awkward, sensitive, and difficult--yet important to us, or we would not be here.
I should admit to having a problem with moderation in general, because I reserve the right to form and express my own opinions, and I deeply resent censorship. But I recognize that we cannot have a civil discussion if we are too destructive towards each other, as we obviously sometimes become. Nor, I now understand better, if it leads to an atmosphere drawing too much of the "wrong attention" (but be careful with this!), lest it incur the wrath of authorities or subtly change the focus over time into something never intended (i.e., from tickling to pedophilia).
All that said, I am left with two fundamental problems:
1. Many times if not always, a tickling fetish begins very young. Some "legal age" is arbitrary and means nothing at all to nature. So I join kenny and smokinj in strongly protesting any holier-than-thou stance by someone who suddenly decides that at one age this is right and at another wrong. No, it wasn't. It was simply the way we were biologically programmed. And I and many, many others grew up with tickling throughout childhood with absolutely nothing nefarious. We should be able to talk about that! At least if done carefully (no veiled porn for pedophiles). This should be the easy part.
2. It actually can be sexual at a young age. This part is more difficult. My tickle fetish was in full swing by age 4-5, and aimed only at girls. I learned to masturbate thinking about this, years before puberty. (Yes, this was possible. It produced pleasure only, of course no ejaculate.) I grew up seeking any tickling references or media for years before I even learned of porn. It was an innate drive. Can there not be some safe way to talk about this too? In my teen years the rest of my sexuality caught up, and it became a normal fetish (though it felt anything but). My desire as a teen to tickle girls my age was definitely about my sexuality all along, even though no actual sex became involved until my 20s. So I maintain there is nothing bad about "underage" tickling (in fact, I deny that concept) as long as the kids are all about the same age. It can be anything from innocent fun to very sexual. I myself experienced that full arc, and suspect you all did too.
If we cannot discuss it in this forum, where can we? For us, it was normal and ok. That someone old might now view that inappropriately doesn't make the kids doing it wrong. A bad person could stab his neighbor with a pencil. Should we overreact and try to control them as dangerous weapons?
I would quibble with your "when we started the TMF" characterization as wholly new and uncharted, because this was by no means the first or only. Some of us remember the pre-internet days, and then various precursor attempts all the way back to ASFT. But the TMF became by far the largest and most enduring. You and the other mods are obviously doing something right, so let me begin with simple appreciation: thank you. It cannot be easy, but your hard work has enabled this wonderful forum for a topic that is highly awkward, sensitive, and difficult--yet important to us, or we would not be here.
I should admit to having a problem with moderation in general, because I reserve the right to form and express my own opinions, and I deeply resent censorship. But I recognize that we cannot have a civil discussion if we are too destructive towards each other, as we obviously sometimes become. Nor, I now understand better, if it leads to an atmosphere drawing too much of the "wrong attention" (but be careful with this!), lest it incur the wrath of authorities or subtly change the focus over time into something never intended (i.e., from tickling to pedophilia).
All that said, I am left with two fundamental problems:
1. Many times if not always, a tickling fetish begins very young. Some "legal age" is arbitrary and means nothing at all to nature. So I join kenny and smokinj in strongly protesting any holier-than-thou stance by someone who suddenly decides that at one age this is right and at another wrong. No, it wasn't. It was simply the way we were biologically programmed. And I and many, many others grew up with tickling throughout childhood with absolutely nothing nefarious. We should be able to talk about that! At least if done carefully (no veiled porn for pedophiles). This should be the easy part.
2. It actually can be sexual at a young age. This part is more difficult. My tickle fetish was in full swing by age 4-5, and aimed only at girls. I learned to masturbate thinking about this, years before puberty. (Yes, this was possible. It produced pleasure only, of course no ejaculate.) I grew up seeking any tickling references or media for years before I even learned of porn. It was an innate drive. Can there not be some safe way to talk about this too? In my teen years the rest of my sexuality caught up, and it became a normal fetish (though it felt anything but). My desire as a teen to tickle girls my age was definitely about my sexuality all along, even though no actual sex became involved until my 20s. So I maintain there is nothing bad about "underage" tickling (in fact, I deny that concept) as long as the kids are all about the same age. It can be anything from innocent fun to very sexual. I myself experienced that full arc, and suspect you all did too.
If we cannot discuss it in this forum, where can we? For us, it was normal and ok. That someone old might now view that inappropriately doesn't make the kids doing it wrong. A bad person could stab his neighbor with a pencil. Should we overreact and try to control them as dangerous weapons?
