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Tickling strangers WITHOUT permission....WTF?

In my experience, the "vast majority of normal people" would laugh out loud at the suggestion that harm can be inflicted by being rude to a cashier - or leering at a woman - or a quick tickle. Normal people aren't harmed by such things.

The key words in the above are "vast majority." All it takes is one young woman [perhaps the niece of a judge or the daughter of a cop who is working as a cashier] who takes offensive enough to swear out a complaint against you. You likely won't be prosecuted but you will have to hire a lawyer until the case is dropped and you might even spend one night in jail until your bail hearing.
 
But this is a new era for sensitivity and morals.
Morality is tricky business especially on a forum in which virtually every page is framed with pornographic imagery. I don't have a problem with the imagery, but then again, I'm not pushing morality.

But imagine if you will that some special interest group stumbles across the TMF and begins criticizing the members and the vendors for the "shameless exploitative degradation of women" depicted in the tickling videos. I strongly suspect that the pious pharisees who've been preaching morality in this thread would be the first to tell that special interest group where they can stick their morality.

Legality becomes a coloring book when harm and emotion and privacy and personal space get mixed together.
I agree. And to extend the metaphor, there is a wide variety of crayons at work in this thread.

Go be a cashier. Come back in about two years time and post about it.
Been there. Done that. The cashiers I've worked with will tell you that if they suffered actual harm every time a customer was rude to them, they'd be dead inside of three months.

People who interface with the public understand that there are polite people, and there are rude people. When somebody is rude, you shine them on and forget about them. If you can't do that, you're in the wrong job.

DAJT is living in an alternative universe where no rules apply to him and everyone functions completely differently than they actually do in real life. Seriously, scientists should study him because he's clearly the gateway to another reality! 😉
Actually, I'm very rules oriented. For example, it's only because of the TMF rules that I'm so nice to you. Otherwise, we'd be having a very different conversation.

No, it's those who resort to name calling that act like the rules don't apply to them.

As for my reality, it's a world where normal people understand that a simple touch is nothing to cry about and that there are much worse things that can happen to a person than a brief tickle from a stranger. I live in a world that doesn't guarantee that I will never be offended, and I'm okay with that. So, yeah, I can see how from YOUR world that would appear like an alternate reality.

The key words in the above are "vast majority." All it takes is one young woman [perhaps the niece of a judge or the daughter of a cop who is working as a cashier] who takes offensive enough to swear out a complaint against you. You likely won't be prosecuted but you will have to hire a lawyer until the case is dropped and you might even spend one night in jail until your bail hearing.
Sure, you run that risk (such that it is) everywhere you go in public. Somebody may not like the message on your T-shirt and decide to use whatever means they have to make life difficult for you.

It's a moot point. I'm never rude to cashiers, ever. My only point was that rudeness does not equate to harm, and that anybody who criticizes somebody for not emulating "the vast majority of normal people" just might be throwing stones in her proverbial glass house.
 
Touching someone without permission is called simple assault and it is against the law. If you touch someone and they don't like it, you could get in big trouble, even if you think it is nothing more than a simple tickle. By the way, I asked the criminal attorney who works at my firm and he told me this.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.22.htm

Simple assault in Texas consists of:
•intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing bodily injury to another person
•intentionally or knowingly threatening another person with imminent bodily injury, or
•intentionally or knowingly causing physical contact with another that the offender knows or reasonably should know the victim will find provocative or offensive. (Tex. Penal Code Ann. §22.01.)

(That legally means the toucher doesn't decide what is offensive or provocative. The victim and the court does.)

A compilation of U.S. state laws pertaining to assault and consent can be found here. That page only lists the statues, however, with no links, but the full texts of each citation can be tracked down by using this site.
 
The key words in the above are "vast majority." All it takes is one young woman [perhaps the niece of a judge or the daughter of a cop who is working as a cashier] who takes offensive enough to swear out a complaint against you. You likely won't be prosecuted but you will have to hire a lawyer until the case is dropped and you might even spend one night in jail until your bail hearing.

This post made me LOL and LOL like crazy!

Milagros, know this here and now, pal ... if that cashier is a cop's daughter or a niece's judge or the goddamn daughter of a Pentagon General, no one person will NEVER, EVER go to jail or be Arrested for being *rude to a cashier*. HAHAHA!! OMG!

Dude, come back to us, please.
 
This post made me LOL and LOL like crazy!

Milagros, know this here and now, pal ... if that cashier is a cop's daughter or a niece's judge or the goddamn daughter of a Pentagon General, no one person will NEVER, EVER go to jail or be Arrested for being *rude to a cashier*. HAHAHA!! OMG!

Dude, come back to us, please.
You have mistaken the context. This thread is about tickling strangers without their permission. The offense would be simple assault after tickling a cashier who is a stranger to you. This is what the OP described as happening to her in a bakery.
 
Living in NYC, I think about how many women who are strangers to me, I see on a regular basis, that I just hold doors for, etc.. who merely say "Thank you", smile, or look at me. It's a nice feeling when that happens. Then I think to myself,. what would these women be saying to me.. if I took those smiles,. and used them as opportunities to tickle them. Er.. They wouldn't be smiling like that, I guarantee..

I also think about how Milagros has been attacked in this thread.. by a certain person who I will not name. Milagros is one of the most positive, and supportive,., people on this forum. I've known him more than 11 years, and have never, until this thread.. see him exhibit any (justified) anger. The attacks against Milagros are unjustified.

Maybe this is the way to calm this whole discussion down.. If the people in this thread who claim they do so, really want to tickle women without their permission, that's their business. I certainly don't agree with it, have never done it, and would never do it. . My view..they are putting themselves at risk to be in trouble for harassment, assault, etc etc. If they continue to do this, and one day such does happen to them, I don't think they will be getting any sympathy from anyone on this forum, both for the actions themselves, and the manner in which they have attacked people in this thread.
 
I also think about how Milagros has been attacked in this thread.. by a certain person who I will not name. Milagros is one of the most positive, and supportive,., people on this forum. I've known him more than 11 years, and have never, until this thread.. see him exhibit any (justified) anger. The attacks against Milagros are unjustified.

My view..they are putting themselves at risk to be in trouble for harassment, assault, etc etc. If they continue to do this, and one day such does happen to them, I don't think they will be getting any sympathy from anyone on this forum, both for the actions themselves, and the manner in which they have attacked people in this thread.

"Attacked" ? Hardly.
"Disagreed with" ? Definitely.

While Milagros has made some pretty outlandish claims / threats, being a long-time top poster does not give him carte blanche status.
This is not your personal thread, so what you perceive as a personal attack (aka everyone who does NOT agree with you) doesn't necessarily exist here.

Despite the weight you feel your personal endorsement of a fellow forum member carries, the reality is ... it doesn't much matter to those of us who are not "lifers" w/ less than 10 Billion posts, or even the long-time members who are tired of the lecturing and *posturing* around here.
 
I've tickled strangers plenty of times. I don't walk up and tickle people on the street. But if I'm at a bar or restaurant and I go to the ladies room and come back and find a guy in my seat I know how to get him out of it real quick. lol.
 
I've tickled strangers plenty of times. I don't walk up and tickle people on the street. But if I'm at a bar or restaurant and I go to the ladies room and come back and find a guy in my seat I know how to get him out of it real quick. lol.

Sounds like a nice innocent tickle to get someone's attention. But, since you did not know him and he is a stranger, according to some here, you just "assaulted" that guy.....You should have asked permission....

Silly isn't it?
 
Sounds like a nice innocent tickle to get someone's attention. But, since you did not know him and he is a stranger, according to some here, you just "assaulted" that guy.....You should have asked permission....

Silly isn't it?

No, it's not silly, and it is an assault. Her being female makes zero difference. Is she more likely to get away with it being female? Probably. Doesn't make it any more okay.
 
No, it's not silly, and it is an assault. Her being female makes zero difference. Is she more likely to get away with it being female? Probably. Doesn't make it any more okay.

Exactly. The fact that you will likely get away with a simple assault and battery of this nature does not make it an ethical thing to do nor a smart thing to do.
 
I wouldn't advocate doing it in general no matter what, but as pointed out earlier, if you're going to do it, at least say something playful afterward to the person to let them know you meant nothing by it and it was all in good fun. At least just eye contact and a smile that expresses "gotcha" or something like that. Doing it and then basically running to avoid being "caught" just makes it seem like you are acknowledging you're ashamed of what you did, therefore making the "victim" feel uneasy or uncomfortable about it. Also, I think how good looking the guy is also plays a part in how the girl will take it. If he's at least decent looking, it's seen as being playful or flirty. If he's ugly, then it becomes "creepy". Even if he was trying to pick her up through a conversation without touching her at all, if he's good looking, then it's flirty. If he's ugly, then it turns into "this creepy guy just tried to pick me up."
 
This thread has devolved into a game of molasses-paced ping pong... and about as interesting.
 
This thread was more .....sensible when it was just about stranger danger. Tickling tickles because the surprise element makes it into a sensation....
 
No, it's not silly, and it is an assault. Her being female makes zero difference. Is she more likely to get away with it being female? Probably. Doesn't make it any more okay.

lol wow really? Again, how is it wrong if the "victim" does NOT mind it? Here is the thing. Just because YOU think it is wrong, does not make it wrong. Does the art of flirting and playfulness escape you? Do you really think they guy she tickled will scream "she assaulted me!"

Not everyone sees tickling as sexual contact. Once you figure that out, you can see how outlandish it is to say that tickling a stranger in ALL situations is wrong. There are some instances where it is wrong and then there are some situations where it is not. Figure it out....
 
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE VICTIM WILL FEEL UNTIL AFTER IT TAKES PLACE! It doesn't matter if some people would be okay with it! The action takes place BEFORE the reaction. Therefore, anytime someone does something like this, they are taking a risk that it could upset the person and if it does, it's too late by then to undo the action.

It really is baffling (and disturbing) that anyone could NOT understand that.
 
Yea but I think what you're missing is, are you going to just live in fear?? Does it really do yourself any good?

I'm not saying just run out into the streets and tickle with reckless abandon but unless it's a complete stranger you have no ties/shared words/prior experience seeing....shit, if it feels right, maybe the risk is worth it.

I've done the "permission" thing countless times too, to see how people will react (online dating...I admit I like it). A couple times it worked out but when it didn't and the person was totally freaked out by their own reactions? Major backfire. And in some cases both parties feel stupid.
 
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE VICTIM WILL FEEL UNTIL AFTER IT TAKES PLACE! It doesn't matter if some people would be okay with it! The action takes place BEFORE the reaction. Therefore, anytime someone does something like this, they are taking a risk that it could upset the person and if it does, it's too late by then to undo the action.

It really is baffling (and disturbing) that anyone could NOT understand that.

And here is where reality escapes you. Nearly ALL forms of touch can be construed nowadays as giving a possible negative reaction. Simple pat on the shoulder? Someone gets upset when people touch them PERIOD. So, is patting on the shoulder wrong?

You don't know how people will react, that is correct. But why is TICKLING wrong, when other forms of touching can also be offending to a person? Touching someone's hand while it rests on a table can get someone upset because someone touched them. Is touching someone's hand wrong? Don't say there is a difference because it isn't. Tickling/simple touching involves TOUCHING someone. That is why it is NOT wrong in EVERY SINGLE SITUATION.

Do you get it yet? Probably not...
 
This thread has devolved into a game of molasses-paced ping pong... and about as interesting.

I was thinking the same thing, but kept it to myself. The parties that are continuing their circle of thought with one another should just agree to disagree at this point. You can totally continue to argue/defend your point 35 more times if you wish... but you made it once, strengthened it a second time . . . and after that, if no one agrees with you, it's okay. Not everyone is going to agree. There is clearly a difference of both opinion and fact all over the place and it's beyond the point of reason to continue rolling down the hill with it. For the love of life, please stop flogging the dead horse. It's pretty much hamburger at this point. *ha ha* However, do as you wish. I'm only making an observation. 🙂
 
Fun fantasy, but that's all is should be. Guess the closest I've ever come to that was tickling exotic dancers. Sometimes they hated it, so I would stop, but most times they seemed to enjoy it and, for some reason, thought it OK to tickle back (the nerve of some women!). Over all nobody got hurt, and I respect the word no, unless she started tickling me after I stopped.
 
WoW. On behalf of men, sorry about that. 🙁 I am a submissive lee, but I can be a pretty aggressive ler too, but that isn't the same thing. At least ask!! lol Honestly if a stranger asked me if they could tickle me, and I felt that my decision would be respected...I don't know.?
 
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