Tickling Videos Ruining Fetish

[Dirkman]

Let me explain. This fetish to me is about nonconsentuality. I have accepted that a tickling fetish is abnormal and would be considered weird by mainstream society, and I've also come to grips with the fact that if I were to act out the true ideas about this fetish as it means to me, it would make me cruel and evil and overall immoral. So I don't plan on kidnapping any girls and tickling them under their will or capturing the hot bitchy secretary at my office and tickling her feet while she screams and curses at me. While this is appealing to me, I'll stick with tickling my girlfriend, she hates it but takes it and its good enough for me.

But I've noticed that in the last few years, my "drive" for tickling has greatly decreased. The reason is because I see so many tickling videos and clips and pictures where tickling is not used as a means of torture but as a means of consentual playful fun. This may appeal to some of you out there and thats great. I don't know how many of you feel the same way I do but I don't like this kind of thing at all. I watched a video the other day with amazingly hot girls who were actually quite ticklish. However, given the scenario which was simply the girls tied up and smiling and having a grand old time while getting tickled, it did absolutely nothing for me. I've read a bunch of stories that you all have written in the last few years and they all have one thing in common: they have nonconsentual plots; The cheerleader who gets tied up, the spy that gets interrogated, the girl who gets kidnapped, etc. Never once did I see a story about two girls who decided to have a slumber party and playfully tie each other up and tickle each other.
So thats why I feel like maybe more of you are with me on this. Sure there's going to be a good load of you who have to stand up and look like the true moral heros and say "I think tickling should not be torture and the thought of nonconsentual tickling disgusts me", but I'd say that 99% of those people are giving 100% hypocrit bullshit. We all know that.

I think a major part of this fetish is the idea that the victim getting tickled does not want to be tickled. Simple. Its the idea that they have no control. Even if they are a bitchy dominating hot young attractive girl, as long as they are tied up tightly with your fingers on them, they have no control and you do.

So why am I ranting this? Half because I think some people need a wake up call. Get off your "moral hero" pedestal and join the rest of us pervs (and it feels quite refreshing to call yourself that, try it, its great) and dive into what this fetish is really about. The other half is a plead to the small businesses who make tickling videos. How about having nonconsentual video plots like the ones in almost every tickling story I've seen. As of right now I feel like a person with a nicotine addiction born into a world with no tobacco. I haven't ever truly satisfied that craving, and I don't plan on actually acting these cravings out because unlike my fantasies, I am moral. But it couldn't hurt to have some other people pretend for an hour and to record it on a VHS tape.

So as a disclaimer, don't kidnap the cutie next door and torture her. BUT, admit to yourself that it would be pretty appealing to you in the world of your own little mind. So how about a little more drive towards the video companies? If we can get Howard Stern to tickle Pam Anderson, why can't we get the video companies to put out more nonconsentually plotted vids?

 

[Oblesklk]

I see your points here. I too grew up without having the influence of the internet, and had many nonconsensual fantasies involving people I knew, and people I didn't.

It's partially why I started a comic book tickling company, because it's the closest I'll come to actually living out those fantasies (even though they're with fictional characters, but that's neither here nor there).

The problem is that it can't really be done. Not legally anyhow. If you had an honest to God nonconsensual plot, the model can put forth all sorts of allegations about the nature of the shoot, and the validity of a contract signed under such conditions is questionable at best. There's also a moral problem with it. Nonconsensual fantasies are great, and the stories on these boards about such are often well written and well thought out.

However, transferring this particular fantasy to reality is sick. You're talking about kidnapping, assault, and torture to an innocent human being. Now if you're just talking "make believe" tickle torture, then that's something else. There's no harm in that, but at that point, you're no longer really hiring a model, you're hiring an actor, to pretend like it's nonconsensual...I'm assuming that's the point you were making 🙂

The closest thing I've ever seen to nonconsensual good tickling were the Ren faires in Italy. Some amazing stuff, but none of it is "hardcore tickling" naturally. It's a family event, and all done in good faith and humor. Nonetheless, it is nonconsensual for most of the people in the stocks, which makes it really fun, but isn't perverse.

But I have experienced this falling off of my tickling interest too, compared with how it was when I first logged onto the net. Of course, I was 18 then, so it wasn't too tough to get aroused over everything. I think constant exposure to tickling, coupled with age have contributed most. But that's just tickling on the net, real life tickling is something I won't ever get tired of 🙂

 

[primetime]

i hear what you're saying. nonconsentual plots do appeal to people. like you said, it's exciting hearing about the spy who gets interrogated, or the tickle revenge plot on some arrogant person. morally, i will never condone it, and i will never personally go out and tickle someone completely against their will.

BUT, i would like to see some nonconsentual tickling videos. now, i am going to be specific. i dont condone a video where the actress or actor has no clue they are going to get tickled, but why not act out the part. i hope the video companies decide to perhaps make a video from one of our stories (by the way, i recommend Dave 2112 or TQLR's stories. and hell, my own!!). i think us tickle fans would love to see that.

if you do, can i direct the films? doesnt hurt to ask....

but, i think all of us like nonconsentual tickle torture. i personally also like the playful, erotic, consensual tickling as well, but nonconsentual does have its place...

 

[Krokus]

Yea

I can see where you are coming from. I also prefer the torture side of tickling.....I like non-consensual stuff. Of course, I would NEVER even think about doing it in real life, because that would be horrible. I love the fantasy though, and that is why I visit the story section quite often!! If you really like it though, you should check out "Non-Consensual Tickle" by Paradise Vision. I understand your position. 😎

 

[TicklingDuo]

While I truly believe that non-consentual tickling is wrong, I do sometimes enjoy fantasizing about it (in my case from the lee standpoint). I guess that's part of what's influenced themes for some of my stories that involve it. But, overall, I truly enjoy the more playful side of the game more. Would I like to have a person(s) take me to the edge of sanity in an intense tickle session? While it's tempting to say yes, I think my history would get in the way and spoil the fun if it got that intense. (Flashbacks tend to ruin it for me.)

AFA videos, my own personal taste is rather demanding. Videos don't really get me going much...though there are times when I do enjoy them. I tend to be very picky about the quality when it comes to the lee being responsive. I'm not too concerned aobut particular types of response, as long as it's genuine. For example, when I do get in the mood to watch one, I enjoy Jeff's videos. There are a variety of styles and types of response. Some, I enjoy more than others. But, they're all genuine. He's to be congratulated for that.

I haven't seen videos from a lot of other places and won't start trouble by naming names. But, there are two other companies whose videos I've seen a fair amount of. Neither is worth the tape it's on in my opinion. Yes, the girls may be "hot". But, they sure the heck weren't ticklish! I'd be demanding my money back!

I bring that up because I fear that, if these same companies put out non-c videos, they'd be even worse. If the girls can't even truly act like their ticklish, how are they going to act like it's truly non-c and torturous for them?

just my

Ann

 

[Neutron]

Dirkman..

Congratulations man. In that one post you've achieved more honesty than many who have posted hundreds of times. A real though provoker. 🙂

I like non consensual stories. In fact I prefer them. But in real life if someone did it non consensually I'd rip their skin out.

If I saw it in a video, hmm I guess I'd watch simply because the tickling might be non consensual, BUT the girl had to sign a release in the end for the video to be released. As for getting a video company to release one. Hell I'm not sure the video companies are making any videos anymore. But that's just an opinion.


Again good post, and good reponses by those who have done so. It's nice to see some honesty and openess for once.

I really loved the moral soapbox and come back to the rest of us pervs comment. LOL You sounded like me my friend.

Be Safe


Tron

 

[TicklingDuo]

Re: Dirkman..

LOL You sounded like me my friend.
Tron

Uh oh! We're in trouble now! hehe just teasing 😛

Ann

 

[dodger]

in the last few years, my "drive" for tickling has greatly decreased. The reason is because I see so many tickling videos and clips and pictures where tickling is not used as a means of torture but as a means of consentual playful fun.

Coments have been removed. It appears to be flame bait and contributes no value to the thread. If this was meant as sarcasm, then removal is a chance you risk.

If you'd like further explanation of why your comment was removed please feel free to email me.

 

[dodger]

Let me rephrase then. In my "opinion" Dirkman I find it insulting to all the video producers that you claim they (yes THEY) are ruining your fetish! I mean. Come on. This sounds like a personal issue to me. Saying video companies are ruining your fetish is really unbelievable.

This is my opinion which I thought I was entitled to on this forum. No flames. No name calling. Just like my last post. Just my opinion. Sheesh. 😀

 

[JoBelle]

I'm all for admitting to yourself what you like! Give yourself a pat on the back for knowing what gives you your jollies. I also like that you're mature enough to know where to draw the line as far as imposing your tastes onto other people where that would cause them damage. Erotic hsotility is good,though. IMHO 😛

I have that streak in me that wants to torture a helpless man! *yummy* But, only to the point that I know I'm not doing him harm. An injured 'Lee, mentally or physically, is not a good 'Lee.

Perverts Unite!
Joby

 

[MistressMia]

Dodger,
Seems to me like you could have gotten it right the first time! Sheesh😀 No one is taking your right to an opinion so you can put that worry to rest.

Just to clarify Dodger, I never said your post was a flame or name calling. I said it was "flame bait" you also said nothing to explain your "opinion" which is a poor move. Flame baiting whether intentional or not, will invite the other person/or group to get defensive and hostile in a reply to your post.

I'm trying to prevent a misunderstanding. I hope I am clear.

This is a very thought provoking thread and somewhat contraversial but this is healthy. Keep up the good dialogue people😉

 

[Dirkman]

Let me rephrase then. In my "opinion" Dirkman I find it insulting to all the video producers that you claim they (yes THEY) are ruining your fetish! I mean. Come on. This sounds like a personal issue to me. Saying video companies are ruining your fetish is really unbelievable.

Well, I hope that no video companies were injured during the context of my post, but it is true IN MY CASE. Modern tickling videos, with their playful as hell plots and their overall easy going attitude have taken away the MYSTERY, TABOO, EROTICISM, and EXCITEMENT that are the pillars of this fetish in my opinion. Given the fascination of torture and non-consentuality within this fetish, I am amazed that there are no companies that only put out vids with ticklish actresses who act out the many wonderful non consentual plots that everyone has fantasized about since they knew they had this fetish. It doesn't make sense to me.

Like I said before, FIND ME a story that is about two girls having fun at a slumber party tickling each other. Might take you a while. Now find me a story written by ONE OF US that is about either a kidnapping, an interrogation, or simply where the victim isn't consenting to being tickled. Should be pretty easy. So if that is what we are fantasizing about, why is it that 99% of the videos that are produced "for us" do not reflect these fantasies? I'm simply asking for a bit of acting, a bit of plot, a bit of excitement. Of course you go and buy the videos just like I have because that is all that is out there, you don't really have a choice. But we should have a choice, and anyone who has a good business mind should see that.

A good tickling video should have a good plot (and there are tons of stories already with great plots) and an insanely ticklish girl who can act and who cares more about money then 1 hour of extreme torturous discombfort. Sure it might be a little more involved, but it would be worth it and I bet your pants that sales would show this.

So unless things change, I personally will stop buying videos in fear that tickling will become so boring to me that I will lose interest in it altoghether, because I don't want that. For now I will try to reflect on my earlier fantasies of this fetish, and hopefully one day someone will catch on and make a product that reflects these fantasies. While I appreciate that some companies are TRYING to please people and are TRYING to make a good product, I just think they are falling short of meeting the desires of much of this population and hope that they can IMPROVE. I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm just trying to be HONEST.
Dirk

 

[venray]

A man went to a doctor and said "Doc it hurts when I do this" The Doctor said " Dont do that"

Simple ... If you dont like whats out there dont buy the product.



Ven

 

[Dave2112]

As someone who writes pretty dark fiction, I can tell you why I do...at least one of the reasons anyway. Take any one of my stories...no video company is ever going to film it. Sad, but true. There are several reasons for this, lack of desire probably not even being in the top 5.

First, the settings in a lot of these stories would be prohibitively expensive to reproduce. Second, ask any company who has hired models and ask them how many of them they think could really act. Not to slam tickling models...but that's the point, they are models, not generally actresses. They are getting paid a relatively nominal fee to be tied up and tickled. Many of them are college students or such, trying to earn some extra scratch. Very rare is the gifted actress who is going to do a tickling video, or any other fetish video for that matter. Now, given this circumstance, I'd rather see a young lady being really tickled, and me knowing that it's real, even if it is a bit light-hearted...than some dark setting that is jokingly fake.

There are a few instances where you can get close. In the Realtickling video "Of Sweet Suffering", the model Crystal consented to do the vid, but was told ahead of time that it would be long, intense and wouldn't stop. According to TiB, in an E-mail conversation we had on this topic, Crystal knew it would be pretty bad, but did the shoot anyway. There have been some challenges to this, but it's my opinion that she was really hating it by mid-point, or that she was one of those aforementioned "gifted actresses". Either way...not a bad shoot. They are out there, but you have to look a bit.

Torture themes are a lot easier to do in Fiction and Art, as you don't have a real person to worry about...and that's what makes fantasy...fantasy.

I understand where you're coming from, though, as I would also like to see a step taken toward some darker themed vids, perhaps throwing heavy tickling into harder bondage films with great ties that never seem to go where you want them to go. You know the type, we've all sat through at least one vid where you're just screaming "Tickle Her Already!" to yourself. And it never happens.

Good point on your disclaimer, by the way. It's nice to know that people are separating thier fantasy from reality. The only other suggestion I can make is to hook up with someone along your lines of thought. I know that's not as easy as it sounds, but if you can, it's better than any video. One of my ex's was into heavy bondage and role-playing and the line between play and non-consensuality was very fine indeed.

😎

 

[Seraph777]

I for one like real tickling. I guess what I mean to say is I like playfull tickling. Tickling, in my opinion, should be fun. That is not to say that I do not like tickle torture but tickle torture that is done in fun and when the ticklee does not hate you afterwords. What I don't like is tickling a person till they cry or wet themselves. This holds no appeal for me.

As for stories, I love the real stories as opposed to the tickling fiction. The fictional stuff is way too over the top for me. The kidnapping, executions, and interrogations are just too outrageous, but stories about tickling friends, girl friends, cousins, etc. and you got me hooked.

The same goes for the videos. I don't want fake plots in my videos because in my opinion fictional plots lead to fictional tickling. Keep the tickling real.

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Seraph777

As for stories, I love the real stories as opposed to the tickling fiction. The fictional stuff is way too over the top for me. The kidnapping, executions, and interrogations are just too outrageous, but stories about tickling friends, girl friends, cousins, etc. and you got me hooked.

I hope you read and enjoy my story in the PUBLIC TICKLES Thread...

To add to this subject... in fantasy... No lie... I would love to be completely and thoroughly tickle tortured past all of my boundaries. My favorite fantasy (even wrote a story about it) occurs when I am working overtime at my middle school late at night. A security guard who I have never seen before stomps into my classroom... handcuffs me to the chair and ties my feet up on the desk... and then proceeds to tickle me until I am about to go insane with sensations. SIGH! Damn! You just don't know!!!

Anyway... And Like JoBelle said... sure I would like to strap a guy up and tickle him senseless... but this is all fantasy. I am not particularly a video person (don't even own a VCR)... but I do enjoy roleplay and involved scenes. I realize how expensive it would be to create such a scene... so if any of you would like to use my classroom... JUST LET ME KNOW! Free of charge! LOL

Live, Laugh and TICKLE
Sunriseticklee

 

[P.H. Tickler]

I get it....

I can see the point being made by the original post... to take what may appear to be harsh at first into a calmer context...

Probably 99% of us have had nonconsentual fantasies, it reflects in the stories written by the community members. Video companies could do more to cater to this... how? ACTING!

It's real simple... Model signs consent form as usual a few days BEFORE the shoot to forego even the appearance of impropriety.
the storyline is set up to be non-consentual when in reality it's business as usual. Now of course the models will be ACTING, not just sittin' pretty with a permanent smile on their face. Look at all of the people "Rambo" 'killed' in that series... was he ever charged? of course not... it was ACTING, and nobody would argue with that.
producers need not go out and terrorize innocent victims, they just need to produce films that make it look that way.
what's the stigma with nonconsentual role playing? in bondage vids, people really get their asses whipped... double standard?

I know there have been several good vids done where the plot was non-consentual... i think the original poster just wants more of the same.

my $0.02

 

[Neutron]

Ann...

Note he sounds ALMOST like me. LOL There is no other who sounds exactly like me. (although my 3 brothers and nephew are DAMN close)


Be safe


Tron

 

[Neutron]

I'm Not Sure..

Anyone took offense from Dirkman. From what I can see we're all in basic agreement.

PH Tickler summed it up very well.


Tron

 

[soleshine]

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY DIRKMAN
So why am I ranting this? Half because I think some people need a wake up call. Get off
your "moral hero" pedestal and join the rest of us pervs (and it feels quite refreshing to
call yourself that, try it, its great) and dive into what this fetish is really about.

I don't really feel like I fit into this dichotomy very well, so maybe I represent that 1%. If so, then I'd just like to share another way of looking at this.

Too much aggression in a fantasy personally turns me off. No big deal, just not my taste. But, neither do I think of myself as being on a moral pedestal above anyone who does. The essence of the fetish, for me, is quite plainly (and please forgive my bluntness, but it's the honest truth) my sexual attraction towards a ticklish girl who is being tickled...period, whether she's in a video, a story, or my head.

Adding much aggression to this simple equation (like kidnapping etc.) only detracts from the experience for me. Because of the sexual nature of MOST fantasies (nudity or more), I prefer the consensual set ups a lot more because they seem more realistic. In fact, I have written several stories in the past six weeks (plug: which I have posted in the TMF's excellent stories section) that are either mostly or entirely centered on consensual tickling. They've actually gotten a fair number of hits, which says to me that I am not entirely alone.

However, I should say, too, that I can enjoy other, more aggressive, themes as well. I just am not drawn to these kinds of fantasies as much as I am to more consensual themes. In fact, I have noticed that the ones I like (videos or stories) always end up with the ticklee eventually enjoying the experience. I agree with primetime with his praise of Dave 2112 and TQLR. I think they are masters at constructing these kinds of fantasies.
All I am trying to say is that I prefer more consent in the balance (I say balance because I love for restraint to be involved). As long as she is ticklish and struggling, it's all good to me. If she volunteered to be there...even better.

Maybe the comment that I quoted wasn't addressed to someone like me at all, or maybe I have mistaken the meaning of the original post in some way (if so, my apologies for the rambling 🙂), but it seems to me that a pretty significant viewpoint has been brushed over. That is: that one's attraction to or choice of more consensual scenarios CAN be thought of as more a question of preference than of morality.

EVERYONE who has posted in this thread appears to have admirable morals (in my opinion), since the line between fantasy and reality has been mentioned repeatedly. I think as long as it's just a fantasy and not acted on, it's always moral. In fact, I find the use of the words "clean and dirty" to describe a fantasy, completely meaningless.

BTW, I totally agree with the comment about calling myself a perv. I think fetishists should take that word back. I AM a perv!

 

[NYCity]

Sure there's going to be a good load of you who have to stand up and look like the true moral heros and say "I think tickling should not be torture and the thought of nonconsentual tickling disgusts me", but I'd say that 99% of those people are giving 100% hypocrit bullshit. We all know that.

One of the best things about this forum is the variey of ways there are to enjoy tickling. We all have VERY different tastes, from 'lers to 'lees, from upper body to feet, from different gender tickler preferences to playful vs intense, nylons vs bare feet, the importance of attractiveness in a ticklee, sexual vs. non-sexual, etc. The list is endless. And what's great is that we are all welcome here despite those different tastes, unlike the days of the AMT, when people got slammed for liking the "wrong" kind of tickling, or liking the "wrong" video.

Personally, I'm no moral hero, I LIKE the idea of merciless, torturous tickling. But, first of all, like others who have posted here say, it's only in fantasy, never in reality. And like you, most videos DON'T do it for me for that reason. (Every once in a while, you come across a gem like "Safeword" by TJ Productions!) I usually prefer stories, because they deal with the torturous stuff that could never exist in reality.

Second of all, it's important to recognize diversity of taste of our members. Nobody here slams me because I prefer upperbody to feet, or because I only enjoy beying a 'ler, not a 'lee, even though to some, that must sound really weird. And it works the other way, too. For example, although I have no desire to be a 'lee, I completely respect the desires of those who enjoy it. What's more, I actually ENJOY hearing about it (OK, not THAT much, but a little.)

One thing having this fetish does, since we are considered weird by the mainstream, is make most of us more open-minded to other peoples desires, even if we don't share them.

If anything I've said strikes anyone as "hypocritical bullshit", you're certainly entitled to that opinion. But I'd like to hear why.

 

[Dirkman]

Re: Re: Tickling Videos Ruining Fetish

One of the best things about this forum is the variey of ways there are to enjoy tickling. We all have VERY different tastes, from 'lers to 'lees, from upper body to feet, from different gender tickler preferences to playful vs intense, nylons vs bare feet, the importance of attractiveness in a ticklee, sexual vs. non-sexual, etc. The list is endless. And what's great is that we are all welcome here despite those different tastes, unlike the days of the AMT, when people got slammed for liking the "wrong" kind of tickling, or liking the "wrong" video.

I will completely acknowledge that there are a good number of people who really don't get off on the nonconsentual stuff and that have different tastes and I can respect that. In retrospect, I came across too hard in my initial post. However, I do believe that if you knock through some of the walls in people's heads (and some have fewer layers of walls then others), the real core of this fetish has to do with a fantasy of control, defiance, and nonconsentuality. I would imagine that the majority of folks in here can dig that. However, it appers that some people are more open to admit this then others.

I would love it if the "tickling industry" would mimmick its more fantasy satisfying brother, the "S&M" industry. When you break S&M down, it is about defiance, control, domination, and sexual gratification from the agony of others. So lets repeat that in English. Its about torturing and whipping people when they are tied up or locked up, folks. Might sound kind of gruesome to someone unfamiliar with it, but its a wonderful thing from the inside, and no one has to REALLY get hurt, and even the red-assed submissive can end up with a smile on her face when the day is done.

The videos usually have great sets, with a bit of a plot, and in many cases, nonconsentual themes. A great SM vid I remember had a hot model playing the role of a reporter doing a story on an S&M dungeon and they tricked her into getting into the bondage apparatus and whipped her and smacked her for an hour while she pleaded. Of course this actress was really fine, but the fantasy was hot. If there was tickling in it, it would have been the greatest thing. There was lots of dialogue between the dominatrix and lots of pleading from the "reporter". Overall, I'm sure if my tastes catered more towards the SM thing, I would be a satisfied customer. I'll stop this by saying this fetish ideally (for me) is 50% fantasy, 50% tickling. The vids out there are simply 100% tickling, 0% fantasy. Cool for some, not for me. It misses the point. I'd love a change.
Dirk

 

[drew70]

Here's a viewpoint for whatever it's worth. I think that most lers want their victims to be ticklish. The more ticklish, the better the lers like it. They are getting more bang for their buck so to speak. It takes a certain sadistic streak to be a ler, so I can't imagine a ler that doesn't at least fantasize about nonconsensual scenarios.

The lees are more complex, it seems. We are walking contradictions. We want to be tickled yet at the same time we can't stand it. I used to go to great lengths to coerce women to tickle me, only to be begging them to quit when they're just getting warmed up. Having been a lee since the early sixties, you'd think I should be able to explain this phenomemon, but it's a total mystery to me. It makes no sense. I absolutely love for a woman to tickle me. No drug in the world could ever match the euphoria. Yet the awful sensation is overwhelming. I guess it's more the idea or the fact of the tickling that sparks me more than the sensation itself. That would explain why I dig tickling from women exclusively.

But I digress. I seem to like both the consensual and nonconsensual tickling scenarios. I love a woman who tickles playfully and affectionately, but I also love an evil woman who tickle-tortures her helpless victims in the most ruthless and sadistic scenarios imaginable. Isn't diversity a cool thing?!

 

[soleshine]

However, I do believe that if you knock through some of the walls in people's heads (and some have fewer layers of walls then others), the real core of this fetish has to do with a fantasy of control, defiance, and nonconsentuality. I would imagine that the majority of folks in here can dig that. However, it appers that some people are more open to admit this then others.

Dirkman, when you say things like this, I get the feeling that you think someone of my "tastes" is somehow holding back the advancement of the tickling community towards it's "true core".
I believe that what you are describing is the core of YOUR fetish and of others, as well. It just simply is not the case for me. I find nothing more satifying than a truly ticklish woman OFFERING herself to be bound and tickled. I don't know how else to put it. It just gets less attractive for me from there.

I acknowledge the elements of power and control over her experience...after she is bound. However, I believe that saying a woman has to be tricked or forced into the situation in order for it to reflect the "real core" of the tickling fetish (whatever that is), somehow misses the reality of the diversity in human experience.

In short, I don't feel like I need to pull my head out of the sand or that I am holding back the community. On the contrary, I believe that I am enriching it by mixing MY experience in with everyone elses.

 

[U.N.Owen]

Hear, hear, Soleshine. Dirkman has backed off from his initial claim that all people who say they like consentual tickling are liars and frauds, so I will moderate the irritation I was going to display.

But I must agree with Soleshine that people with a particular taste should not assert that they and they alone represent "truth." Nonconsentual fans are no problem to me (as long as they don't actually try it in real life), although that's not what I like. They should feel the same about people who like playful tickling.

I don't subscribe to Dirkman's opinion that his tastes are somehow more valid or "honest" than mine. I like what I like. He likes what he likes. Can't we just leave it there? This is supposed to be a community, and communities have diversity of opinion.