kyhawkeye said:
Not to sound patronizing, but have you ever taken an anatomy and physiology class? Everythng about you is in your DNA. Even pesonality traits are passed on in your genes.
Have to cut you off at the pass here. The Bible was written by 40 different authors over a 1600 year period. It has not been 'written and rewritten'. That's the standard cop-out phrase for people who want to ignore it and bash believers like myself. I'm sure even you can do better than that lame stance.
Oh really? Riddle me this Batman, show me a society on this planet that is purely matriarcal. Even if fashions, ways to earn a living and surive, and social orders change, one fact is a constant. Every soceity on earth is a patriarcal society. Socialologists have frustrated themselves forever trying to find one. If your premeise was true, there should be matriarcal societies all over the place. None exist.
Male and female energy? Is this some new 'New Age' concept? Gender DOES influence and can define a person's personality. Men and woman are differenent, even TIME Magazine finally figured that out in a cover article (I was quite amused at how long it took them to figure out that men and womena are different because they are born that way...any parent could have told them that! 🙂 ) My daughter didn't start playing with dolls because I forced her to, she did it naturally on her own as part of the (nurturing) nature that GOd created women with. No blast of "male" or "female energy' is going to change that basic fact.
Well Kyhawkeye, I had been going to give a more lengthy reply to your post, but it seems that evertyone else is doing half of it for me! lol.
Also, your reply made me feel as if I had offended you in some way, particularly "I'm sure even you can do better than that lame stance."
Even me? Have I developed a bad reputation with you during this discussion for something I said? I apologise if this is the case; it certainly wasn't my intention.
About the Bible comment, I didn't mean anything by 're-written' specifically, and I completely admit that it is not my area of expertise. I was intentionally trying to be vague as I do not have a wealth of knoledge on the issue, and was not trying to give a dismissive or 'anti christian' stance. I have never said I have anything against christianity, and I do not.
As for non-patriarchal societies, the ancient Celts are one example. They had female rulers far more often than other societies, and their armed forces were often up to 50% women. If you read Celtic mythology, it reflects this. Queen Bodecea of the Iceni was one of the last British leaders to revolt against the Romans. lol They're where us Scottish come from
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Apart from that, yes, you are right, most post-tribal civilisations have been patriarchal. However, one could argue this came about artificially with the rise of 'states' and power-centralising institutions, and the increased dependance on armed forces as civilisations grew beyond tribes, through which power was unbalanced towards those who had greater physical strength. Many argue that we are only now, in the age of technological armies, beginning to shrug off this fundamental bias.
EDIT: Just thought to add that the family unit and its traditional patriarchal form, is thought by many to have come about because of the creation of wealth oriented socieities (as opposed to early communal or subsistance societies). This is because with the creation of money based societies, the man, who did the hard labour, more of the farming, soldiering, were the statesmen etc, and hence made the money, while the woman still had to, in the days of high infant mortality, have children through most of her life, which while it contributed just as much to society, was no longer valued as much by the 'system'. And so, since the man had power over the money, he automatically had power over many other things, and it all sprouts from there. Once again, this has been changing over the last century with the development of medical technology. It can be no coincidence that Universal Sufferage and all the rest of it happened in conjuction with these advances.
Also, I only used the word 'energy' as a collective term for all things 'masculine' and 'feminine' within a culture, not as anything supernatural etc. And the whole doll thing, yes, a lot of it may have to do with gender and genetics, but you also have to take into account cultural influences, 'it's what the other girls do' etc. As I have said many times, the genetics and biology of gender DO make up a BIG part of how men and women act... but by no means all of it, or perhaps even most of it.
Please do not take any argument I give too personally. I'm only 20, and have yet to truly form my own opinion of these things, and I just like to explore all avenues. I completely respect your views, and once again apologise if I ever gave the impression that I didn't.
I do not claim to be right in anything heh. I just like to give every idea a shot. :happy:
