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Very interesting interview on HDNET with Hulk Hogan which aired 5-20-11

Yes Shawn's best match was Wrestlemania 25 it was likely the best match of all time, check it out.. But you still didn't defend your thinking on the x had a good match with y and not c so c sucks, that still makes no sense

Why would it have mattered to Ric Flair? Seeing as he wasn't even in the company in 96. and ive never said Flair was the greatest or anywhere near, just stating the MSG "incident" is nowhere near as big a deal as your trying to make it seem



It's simp math. Ricky Steamboat has worked programs (not just matchs but fueds) with Ric Flair. Randay Savage had a series of matchs with Ric Flair. Yet despite the fact that Ric Flair is supposed to be the "Greatest Wrestler of all Time" none of his match with two other great in ring perfomers is considered the greatest match of all time. How ever Steamboat vs Savage is considered to one of (if not the) greatest match of all time.

Ah, you see there is the thing about the MSG incident. Flair does care about, he says it was disrespectful to the company... unlike bringing the WCW title to the WWF I guess. He also runs down Hall and Nash for their part in it, but seems to forget that HBK and HHH were there as well. I guess it's hard to bash somebody when you are kissing their ass to keep your job.

I will check out the Shawn/'Take match from WrestleMania 25 match.
 
I don't give two shits about New Jack. What kool-aid have you been on?




We seem to have the same idea on some of this. I'm well aware of the 'hype machine'. Actually it's called marketing, but that machine only works if the wrestler makes it work. Ironic as it sounds, pro wrestling has very little to do with actual wrestling. Good looks, charisma, attitude and the right gimmick with proper marketing will get you further ahead than if you had the wrestling skills of Kurt Angle x3.

Do you think people actually filled arenas to watch Andre the Giant wrestle? Hardly.

Do you think millions of ppv buys at Wrestlemania were because fans wanted to see Mr. T wrestle? Hardly.

Did Sunny become the most downloaded diva on the internet because she could wrestle? Um, no.

Most of the hostility comes from the changes in the industry which took place when Vince had the brainstorm that celebrity and hollywood were what people wanted to BUY and WATCH instead of so-called wrestling. The bottom line is getting butts in the seats. Much like the NFL became a totally different game in the mid 80s than in the 70s, pro wrestling did also. Problem is a lot of the veterans weren't happy about it.

Flair, Orndorf, Piper, Koloff, Mulligan, Brisco, Gagne, Backlund, Atlas, Patera, Wahoo - the list is endless - everyone of those guys busted their asses to make the business work and survive. They didn't have the luxury of a ppv every month or t-shirt sales or toys and video games and websites and wrestling shown 5 times or even more a week. They didn't have every performer you can name publish a book with their versions of 'what really happened'. Back in those days you would have been roasted if you would have even entertained such a crazy idea.

All these guys had was wrestling on saturday mornings. Yet they survived and endured when you actually had to make wrestling entertaining without the help. Those guys would get a two minute promo then go out and wrestle from 30 mins to an hour. They didn't waste time talking for 20 minutes just to have interference during the next 30 seconds after 5 minutes of pay for my time ads.

So you think Piper and Orndorf and probably just about every wrestler in the backroom was mad at T for invading their space? You're damn right and with good reason. But it wasn't personally directed at him because of him. They didn't like the idea of any celebrity waltzing in and getting the spotlight on their watch. It could have been Stallone or Arnold and it wouldn't have mattered.

That said - it's probably because of Vince's foresight the business has endured. If not for his celebrity intervention and proper marketing, WM would have probably been no better than Starrcade or any other ppv you've seen and pro wrestlers would have little or no jobs today, or at least ones with decent pay. Vince has his faults, but no one can deny he has done what it took to make pro wrestling mainstream and lucrative.

Good examples of marketing: Stone Cold is probably one of the top five names known in the business. But can he wrestle? If you call drinking fake beer and flipping people off and wrecking your pelvic area dropping yourself on a mat wrestling. Yet he's sold more t-shirts than any wrestler in the business.

Can the Rock wrestle? Actually he probably could if needed. He does have an athletic background. But he would rather raise his eyebrow and flip the crowd an elbow pad and talk smack on the mic even more. He is the most electrifying man in the business - but it isn't because of actual wrestling skill.

Hogan? We won't even go there. Open his wrestling routine playbook and you might find 6 moves, maybe 7. Hogan sucks. Yet he is the most popular wrestler on the planet even this many years after his prime years. Again, because of the proper marketing. He's been on every toy and just about every product aimed at anyone under age 10. Almost every kid and every adult today at some point has heard his name. But the man can't wrestle a lick.

But again, to be successful in the business you have to be able to work the marketing. Lots of guys have wrestling and athletic ability but lack the ability to speak publicly and the charisma to actually make people want to listen to what they have to say on the mic. Sadly because of this, most become mid-carders and underachievers. Then they blame politics, everyone and everything for their failure. Truth is, they can't make the marketing work because they lack the skill and bottom line - they can't put butts in the seats.

Again, looks, charisma and attitude and the right gimmick with proper marketing will get you way farther than any wrestling skills. Don't get me wrong, you still need some wrestling skills to pull it off completely. You can't look nice and talk forever. Eventually you're going to have to do something 'wrestling related' in the ring - but if they wanted actual wrestling skills it wouldn't be scripted.

Vince ruined everything, and gradually destroyed the industry. He wiped out all of the territories, so the guys could only work for him. Now anybody who wants to be in pro wrestling, and make good money doing it has no choice but to work for him (where is the SEC on this?) . This basically allows him to abuse his employees with an unreasonable work schedules and basically forces them to take pain killers and steroids or risk "Losing Their Spot". Grant it Vince is to smart to tell anybody "Use steroids or you'll never get anywhere.", but all you have to do is look at guys like Batista, Triple H, and John Cena and see what Vince is looking for in his "wrestlers" and know what you'd have to do to advance in that company.

Owen Hart died because the WWE was too cheep to take 5 minuets of air time to take off a back up harness they probably would have saved his life. Defend that.

After he died Eddie Guerrero's death was turned into a marketing campaign to push his "friend" Rey Mysterio. Defend that.

Lance Cade died when he was 29... need I say more.

And I still think Ric Flair & Hulk Hogan suck!

PS
Ever hear of a guy named Ed "Strangler" Luise, he is the greatest wrestler of all time, because when he had matches the only person who knew they were fixed was him and the promotor. He was so good, he could beat everybody, unless his bosses told him to. Look him up, and then explain to me why he isn't in the WWE Hall Of Fame, unlike that loser Flair.

It's so bad Mr. T doesn't even want in the hall of fame...
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Vince ruined everything, and gradually destroyed the industry. He wiped out all of the territories, so the guys could only work for him. Now anybody who wants to be in pro wrestling, and make good money doing it has no choice but to work for him (where is the SEC on this?) . This basically allows him to abuse his employees with an unreasonable work schedules and basically forces them to take pain killers and steroids or risk "Losing Their Spot". Grant it Vince is to smart to tell anybody "Use steroids or you'll never get anywhere.", but all you have to do is look at guys like Batista, Triple H, and John Cena and see what Vince is looking for in his "wrestlers" and know what you'd have to do to advance in that company.

Owen Hart died because the WWE was too cheep to take 5 minuets of air time to take off a back up harness they probably would have saved his life. Defend that.

After he died Eddie Guerrero's death was turned into a marketing campaign to push his "friend" Rey Mysterio. Defend that.

Lance Cade died when he was 29... need I say more.

And I still think Ric Flair & Hulk Hogan suck!

PS
Ever hear of a guy named Ed "Strangler" Luise, he is the greatest wrestler of all time, because when he had matches the only person who knew they were fixed was him and the promotor. He was so good, he could beat everybody, unless his bosses told him to. Look him up, and then explain to me why he isn't in the WWE Hall Of Fame, unlike that loser Flair.


There is so much wrong with this statement, that it would take me a good 30 minutes to correct it all, so i will just respond to the things i caught off the bat

First, Vince didn't kill or hurt the industry in anyway. He made wrestling what it is today, he took it from bingo halls and small arenas and highschool gyms to stadiums and large venues with Wrestlemania. Wrestlers have to work for Vince because he puts on the best product because he has the most money, because he earned it by putting wrestling on the mainstream map, not because he is the only game in town. He isn't stopping any company from competing. Its not his fault TNA is incompetent and that ROH cant get a tv deal

Second Batista and HHH don't wrestle anymore, HHH is done and Batista quit over a year ago. Look at the WWE main event scene/upper mid card. Cena,Miz,Mysterio,R-truth,Orton,Christian,Sheamus,John Morrison,Mark Henry,Wade Barrett, Alberto Del Rio. Only one of those guys (Cena) is big and muscular, so much for that only big "roided" up guys theory eh?

Owen Hart died because of an equipment malfunction, not due to negligence, The harness was designed to cut loose and let him fall a few feet above the ring, to go with the goofiness of his character. They rehearsed it several times with no problem. During the event when he was being hooked in, his cape got caught in the device and made it cut loose prematurely, it was an accident...they happen

Eddie Guerrero's death was not used as a reason to push Rey Mysterio.....wrong again. The WWE had no intrest in pushing Mysterio to the level he got to, they did it because he and Eddie were real life best friends as a tribute/honoring Eddie not as an excuse

Lance Cade's death was from an overdose because he mixed alcohol,depression drugs and heart medicine that he was prescribed. So thats WWE/wrestlings fault? In what way? Its not

Please stop talking out of your ass because you dislike Vince/ and or the wrestling industry in general
 
Vince ruined everything, and gradually destroyed the industry.

Yet as Michael Cole made sure we knew every week, it is the longest running weekly episodic show in tv history. Look up what the word 'destroyed' and 'ruined' means. Obviously you have no clue.

Owen Hart died because the WWE was too cheep to take 5 minuets of air time to take off a back up harness they probably would have saved his life. Defend that.

I do not need to defend anything, but I will give you my thoughts on the matter. Owen Hart died from a tragic accident. Reality check: they do happen. Dale Earnhardt died because up until 2001 NASCAR was too cheap to mandate their drivers in a 5 minute class to wear a safety shoulder harness that would have probably saved his life. What's your point? Intelligent fans realized accidents happen as tragic as they may be. They didn't boycott stock car racing or demand the president resign because it was all his fault. They do not post on forums and websites over 10 years later that nascar killed Dale Earnhardt. NASCAR moved on. Even today, Dale Jr all but refuses to answer questions regarding his father's death. You know why? Because his father would have said "It's time to let it go" and the greatest honor and tribute he could show his father is to do just that. Owen has been gone even longer than Dale E, but Junior can get over it and get on with life and the man was his actual father. You still can't get over Owen? There is such a thing as 'gone but not forgotten'. Maybe you should try it or seriously consider therapy.

After he died Eddie Guerrero's death was turned into a marketing campaign to push his "friend" Rey Mysterio. Defend that.

After Dale Earnhardt died his son was promoted the next face of nascar and has been the most popular driver in nascar for eight consecutive years. I believe that qualifies for a lot longer than Rey winning the title. Every year at Daytona where his father died, there is always tribute or remembrance of Dale senior, and every year he dedicates the race to his father. He has no bitterness against NASCAR and has never spoken negatively about the sport and those who run it. He understands ACCIDENTS HAPPEN as tragic as they might be and you learn from them. He didn't pout and sulk and say he would never work for the company that killed his father and/or they alone were directly responsible for his father's death. That's just asinine and completely stupid. Again, what is your point?

Lance Cade died when he was 29... need I say more.

Derek Boogaard of the New York Rangers passed away at age 28. Austin Box of the Oklahoma Sooners passed away at age 22.

Youth, alcohol, drugs and sports can be a lethal combination if misguided. By your logic, maybe we should ban NHL and college football because they are the ones directly and solely responsible for these tragic deaths. It's not like the individuals or their mental state of mind had anything to do with it.

PS
Ever hear of a guy named Ed "Strangler" Luise, he is the greatest wrestler of all time, because when he had matches the only person who knew they were fixed was him and the promotor. He was so good, he could beat everybody, unless his bosses told him to. Look him up, and then explain to me why he isn't in the WWE Hall Of Fame, unlike that loser Flair.

There are several wrestlers not in the pretend near meaningless HOF that could very well be there. My guess is one reason he isn't is because most fans aged 14-21 would have no idea who he is. Who knows? Maybe one day he might get his plaque on the wall and thousands of visitors can.. ah forget it.
 
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It's simp math. Ricky Steamboat has worked programs (not just matchs but fueds) with Ric Flair. Randay Savage had a series of matchs with Ric Flair. Yet despite the fact that Ric Flair is supposed to be the "Greatest Wrestler of all Time" none of his match with two other great in ring perfomers is considered the greatest match of all time. How ever Steamboat vs Savage is considered to one of (if not the) greatest match of all time.

This still makes no sense. The Chargers play the Steelers. The Dolphins play the Steelers. The Chargers and Dolphins play one of the greatest and most exciting games ever in NFL history. This means the Steelers are not one of the greatest teams of all time? Put the kool-aid down and step away.

Ah, you see there is the thing about the MSG incident. Flair does care about, he says it was disrespectful to the company... unlike bringing the WCW title to the WWF I guess. He also runs down Hall and Nash for their part in it, but seems to forget that HBK and HHH were there as well. I guess it's hard to bash somebody when you are kissing their ass to keep your job.

Flair brought the WCW belt to WWF because it was his belt. His deposit (which was to guarantee the champ would show up for his match and not be a no-show or refuse to lose the belt) was never returned so he was the rightful owner of that belt since he had pretty much paid for it. Since WCW had tried to screw him over and completely ruin his reputation in wrestling by muddling him in gimmicks which were completely un-marketable and totally stupid (like a gladiator character to compete with WWF), isn't it only fair that Flair do what he did to smudge WCW at that time? Wouldn't you?
 
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Slaver, stop with this ridiculous nonsense. Just so I can be clear, you consider a wrestler "overrated and terrible" by his in-ring skills, not by his charisma, personality, and marketability?

Ric Flair is considered one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. I am waiting for you to point out some of the greatest wrestlers YOU consider great to AGREE with you. We have seen legends in the business all give Flair accolades and consider him a legend. Only YOU think Flair is not a legend.

I also laugh at your pure blind rage for Vince McMahon. For YEARS you gave us the virtues of Bret Hart. Now, you hate Hart just because he works in the WWE again. Bret Hart lost his brother and even he found a way to work with Vince again. But you? More Vince-hate. I am curious. WHY do you hate Vince so much? Did he do something PERSONAL to you? My goodness man, your obsession with McMahon is borderline physchotic. You need some serious therapy to resolve this McMahon hatred. Despite obvious facts, you are so blinded by this rage, you even hate the guy you sucked balls on (Bret Hart) for years, JUST BECAUSE he forgave McMahon.

Hate to break this to you. You're not the wrestling expert. You are so wrong about things (Flair's legacy) that you lost a grip on reality.
 
Slaver, stop with this ridiculous nonsense. Just so I can be clear, you consider a wrestler "overrated and terrible" by his in-ring skills, not by his charisma, personality, and marketability?

Ric Flair is considered one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. I am waiting for you to point out some of the greatest wrestlers YOU consider great to AGREE with you. We have seen legends in the business all give Flair accolades and consider him a legend. Only YOU think Flair is not a legend.

Thats your's and there opinion. I think Flair stinks, and I will say it whenever the fuck I want to. So you can go back to the People's Republic of PrimeTime, and wave your comie flag all you want, and drink the Kool Aid all you like.

I also laugh at your pure blind rage for Vince McMahon. For YEARS you gave us the virtues of Bret Hart. Now, you hate Hart just because he works in the WWE again. Bret Hart lost his brother and even he found a way to work with Vince again. But you? More Vince-hate. I am curious. WHY do you hate Vince so much? Did he do something PERSONAL to you? My goodness man, your obsession with McMahon is borderline physchotic. You need some serious therapy to resolve this McMahon hatred. Despite obvious facts, you are so blinded by this rage, you even hate the guy you sucked balls on (Bret Hart) for years, JUST BECAUSE he forgave McMahon.

My rage for vince isn't blind, it's eyes open and wide awak. It's your loyalty to him thats blind. Obviously I was miss led regarding the "virtues of Bret Hart", because anybody who would go back to work for somebody who's greed and ignorance led to the death of a member of his family has no virtues. What Hart did was sell out, pure and simple. He took everything he ever said he believed in, put it in a sack and traided it to McMahon for 7 pieces of silver, just like the Judis that he is. I never sucked on Bret's balls, I leave the ball sucking to the McMahonites like yourself. I respected the man's talent as a performer, and used to admire what apeared to be his integraty. I could never forgive anybody who caused the death of a family memeber the way McMahon and the WWE did.

Hate to break this to you. You're not the wrestling expert. You are so wrong about things (Flair's legacy) that you lost a grip on reality.

Galileo, PrimeTime, Galileo.
 
This still makes no sense. The Chargers play the Steelers. The Dolphins play the Steelers. The Chargers and Dolphins play one of the greatest and most exciting games ever in NFL history. This means the Steelers are not one of the greatest teams of all time? Put the kool-aid down and step away.

Your actually compairing foorball games to pro wrestlig matchs... wow you are as thick as flock of seaguls. I have no more use for you.
 
The Fallen Angel said:
There is so much wrong with this statement, that it would take me a good 30 minutes to correct it all, so i will just respond to the things i caught off the bat

Well you tried and failed.

The Fallen Angel said:
First, Vince didn't kill or hurt the industry in anyway. He made wrestling what it is today, he took it from bingo halls and small arenas and highschool gyms to stadiums and large venues with Wrestlemania. Wrestlers have to work for Vince because he puts on the best product because he has the most money, because he earned it by putting wrestling on the mainstream map, not because he is the only game in town. He isn't stopping any company from competing. Its not his fault TNA is incompetent and that ROH cant get a tv deal

Ok, you work for Vince McMahon, the writers go to him and say "we can't come up with an idea for this guy right now." so Vince lets you go. Where do you go now to make a decent living in the career of you choice? TNA, they don't pay like McMahon, ROH, nope not real money there either. However back when they had the territory system if a guy wasn't working out in one place anymore, he could jump to another, or even get traded for another talent (as in the case of Steamboat and the One Man Gang). There were alo plenty of big show in places like "The Boston Gardens", "Maple Leaf Gardens" and of course the big one "MSG". So all Vince did was invade other people territory, buy off their tv time, and their talent. Forget about TNA or even ROH, just look at the shitty stuff Vince is doing in with his own company. How stupid does a person have to be to call that shit entertaining.

The Fallen Angel said:
Second Batista and HHH don't wrestle anymore, HHH is done and Batista quit over a year ago. Look at the WWE main event scene/upper mid card. Cena,Miz,Mysterio,R-truth,Orton,Christian,Sheamus,John Morrison,Mark Henry,Wade Barrett, Alberto Del Rio. Only one of those guys (Cena) is big and muscular, so much for that only big "roided" up guys theory eh?

What makes you so sure that Randy Orton isn't on the juice, or any of those other guys? I'll probably give you Christina, Henry, and Morrison. But hey you would probably have to check out Jeff Hardy's sale record to see who he was selling his stuff to.

The Fallen Angel said:
Owen Hart died because of an equipment malfunction, not due to negligence, The harness was designed to cut loose and let him fall a few feet above the ring, to go with the goofiness of his character. They rehearsed it several times with no problem. During the event when he was being hooked in, his cape got caught in the device and made it cut loose prematurely, it was an accident...they happen

Owen Hart died becuase the WWE went out of it's way to find people who to work that rigging with out proper safety back-up. Everytime they rehursed, until the day of the show, they used a different rigging set up. The day of the show they changed it, and they also chainged the plan that he would carry a midget wrestler between his leg. But hey lets assume that your right, if thats the case why hadn't Vince ever risked his own son in such a manner? Because his son is more important then Stu Hart's was that why.

The Fallen Angel said:
Eddie Guerrero's death was not used as a reason to push Rey Mysterio.....wrong again. The WWE had no intrest in pushing Mysterio to the level he got to, they did it because he and Eddie were real life best friends as a tribute/honoring Eddie not as an excuse

Wrong again, wrong again. How many times can you say "Do it for Eddie, Rey, do it for Eddie" sounds to me like they used his death

The Fallen Angel said:
Lance Cade's death was from an overdose because he mixed alcohol,depression drugs and heart medicine that he was prescribed. So thats WWE/wrestlings fault? In what way? Its not

No, it's Shawn Micheals fault for training a guy with a fucked up heart.

The Fallen Angel said:
Please stop talking out of your ass because you dislike Vince/ and or the wrestling industry in general

No, no, please stop making an ass out of yourself becuase you keep drinking the McMahon Kool Aid.
 
Well you tried and failed.



Ok, you work for Vince McMahon, the writers go to him and say "we can't come up with an idea for this guy right now." so Vince lets you go. Where do you go now to make a decent living in the career of you choice? TNA, they don't pay like McMahon, ROH, nope not real money there either. However back when they had the territory system if a guy wasn't working out in one place anymore, he could jump to another, or even get traded for another talent (as in the case of Steamboat and the One Man Gang). There were alo plenty of big show in places like "The Boston Gardens", "Maple Leaf Gardens" and of course the big one "MSG". So all Vince did was invade other people territory, buy off their tv time, and their talent. Forget about TNA or even ROH, just look at the shitty stuff Vince is doing in with his own company. How stupid does a person have to be to call that shit entertaining.



What makes you so sure that Randy Orton isn't on the juice, or any of those other guys? I'll probably give you Christina, Henry, and Morrison. But hey you would probably have to check out Jeff Hardy's sale record to see who he was selling his stuff to.



Owen Hart died becuase the WWE went out of it's way to find people who to work that rigging with out proper safety back-up. Everytime they rehursed, until the day of the show, they used a different rigging set up. The day of the show they changed it, and they also chainged the plan that he would carry a midget wrestler between his leg. But hey lets assume that your right, if thats the case why hadn't Vince ever risked his own son in such a manner? Because his son is more important then Stu Hart's was that why.



Wrong again, wrong again. How many times can you say "Do it for Eddie, Rey, do it for Eddie" sounds to me like they used his death



No, it's Shawn Micheals fault for training a guy with a fucked up heart.



No, no, please stop making an ass out of yourself becuase you keep drinking the McMahon Kool Aid.

So Vince putting on the best show when he did, and making wrestling what it is, is bad because not everyone can make it in the business? Sounds like any business ever to me

Orton isnt on the juice because steroids don't make lean muscle, the guys are big and thicker, not lean

and as far as "risking" someone goes Vince has had Shane McMahon jump off the titan tron on 3 different occasions, which isn't much shorter of a fall than the height Owen was at, and he had no harness or rope/cord

So who is to say that Cade didn't lie about his heart condition? He was obviously capable of working in the industry even with it, its not the business that killed him it was an accidental overdose, which could have happened whether he was a wrestler or not

and i by no means drink the kool-aid as you put it, just tell it like it is, instead of making things up because you hate Vince
 
Thats your's and there opinion. I think Flair stinks, and I will say it whenever the fuck I want to. So you can go back to the People's Republic of PrimeTime, and wave your comie flag all you want, and drink the Kool Aid all you like.



My rage for vince isn't blind, it's eyes open and wide awak. It's your loyalty to him thats blind. Obviously I was miss led regarding the "virtues of Bret Hart", because anybody who would go back to work for somebody who's greed and ignorance led to the death of a member of his family has no virtues. What Hart did was sell out, pure and simple. He took everything he ever said he believed in, put it in a sack and traided it to McMahon for 7 pieces of silver, just like the Judis that he is. I never sucked on Bret's balls, I leave the ball sucking to the McMahonites like yourself. I respected the man's talent as a performer, and used to admire what apeared to be his integraty. I could never forgive anybody who caused the death of a family memeber the way McMahon and the WWE did.



Galileo, PrimeTime, Galileo.

Here's the sad part. For all the years you have blasted Vince McMahon, I noticed no one ever seems to agree with you. Dude, get a freakin clue and calm down. Your hatred of McMahon is borderline psychotic. Why on earth would ANYONE believe what you have to say? Seriously. Why should anyone agree with you? You said Ric Flair sucks. The same Ric Flair that is known WORLDWIDE. The same Ric Flair that countless of top wrestling stars respect and admire. So we are supposed to believe Flair sucks because YOU think so? We're drinking McMahon Kool-Aid because YOU say Flair sucks?

In the words of a Snoop Dogg song, "B Please"

For years, you have blathered about the greatness of Bret Hart. Now that Bret has gone forward with his life and got rid of the hate towards McMahon, you flipped on Bret. That simply means you are a very bitter guy. The strange part is WHY do you hate McMahon so much? I mean, I don't see you rambling on about evil dictators of the world killing innocent people. I don't see you rambling about how society in general treats other people because of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc. No. You ramble on about a freaking entertainment industry. Never mind the fact that McMahon has built the WWE into a worldwide recognized entity. Never mind that McMahon consistently has special shows to the men and women of the US Armed Forces. That includes service personnel get FREE tickets. Never mind the fact that the WWE usually tops the list in the Make A Wish Foundation for sick kids. Noooooooooooooooooooo, Vince McMahon is so evil that everything he touches is just pure wrong.

Grow the fuck up and get over the stupid hate. You're never going to convince anyone that McMahon is worse than Osama Bin Laden. You are never going to convince anyone that your wrestling knowledge is superior to anyone else's. You appear to be delusional and so bitter over Vince McMahon for some weird reason, that you make no sense. Notice that many of us laugh at your wrestling knowledge. You just flap your gums and people see you that you spend way too much time hating a man you don't even know on a personal level. I can understand disagreeing with how he runs HIS company, but dude, you are way over the top.
 
Here's the sad part. For all the years you have blasted Vince McMahon, I noticed no one ever seems to agree with you. Dude, get a freakin clue and calm down. Your hatred of McMahon is borderline psychotic. Why on earth would ANYONE believe what you have to say? Seriously. Why should anyone agree with you? You said Ric Flair sucks. The same Ric Flair that is known WORLDWIDE. The same Ric Flair that countless of top wrestling stars respect and admire. So we are supposed to believe Flair sucks because YOU think so? We're drinking McMahon Kool-Aid because YOU say Flair sucks?

In the words of a Snoop Dogg song, "B Please"

For years, you have blathered about the greatness of Bret Hart. Now that Bret has gone forward with his life and got rid of the hate towards McMahon, you flipped on Bret. That simply means you are a very bitter guy. The strange part is WHY do you hate McMahon so much? I mean, I don't see you rambling on about evil dictators of the world killing innocent people. I don't see you rambling about how society in general treats other people because of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc. No. You ramble on about a freaking entertainment industry. Never mind the fact that McMahon has built the WWE into a worldwide recognized entity. Never mind that McMahon consistently has special shows to the men and women of the US Armed Forces. That includes service personnel get FREE tickets. Never mind the fact that the WWE usually tops the list in the Make A Wish Foundation for sick kids. Noooooooooooooooooooo, Vince McMahon is so evil that everything he touches is just pure wrong.

Grow the fuck up and get over the stupid hate. You're never going to convince anyone that McMahon is worse than Osama Bin Laden. You are never going to convince anyone that your wrestling knowledge is superior to anyone else's. You appear to be delusional and so bitter over Vince McMahon for some weird reason, that you make no sense. Notice that many of us laugh at your wrestling knowledge. You just flap your gums and people see you that you spend way too much time hating a man you don't even know on a personal level. I can understand disagreeing with how he runs HIS company, but dude, you are way over the top.

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This still makes no sense. The Chargers play the Steelers. The Dolphins play the Steelers. The Chargers and Dolphins play one of the greatest and most exciting games ever in NFL history. This means the Steelers are not one of the greatest teams of all time? Put the kool-aid down and step away.

Your actually compairing foorball games to pro wrestlig matchs... wow you are as thick as flock of seaguls. I have no more use for you.

I'm making a simple relative comparison to show you how idiotic your reasoning abilities are when two competitors share a common denominator, and yet you still can't get it. Are you really that fucking stupid or did something that simple just go way over your head?? Then again your spelling is a reflection of your education level (what the hell is foorball and wrestlig?) so why should I expect any different with your logic and reasoning abilities.

Turn off the sci-fi channel, put away your crayons and comic books and go back to school and get your GED. Or at least take a spelling course to help prove you are over age 9. If you have somehow conned the system into actually giving you a diploma then I also feel really bad for the teachers that passed you through school. You should hate them 10x as much as you hate Vince. They actually screwed you over.
 
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Here's the sad part. For all the years you have blasted Vince McMahon, I noticed no one ever seems to agree with you. Dude, get a freakin clue and calm down. Your hatred of McMahon is borderline psychotic. Why on earth would ANYONE believe what you have to say? Seriously. Why should anyone agree with you? You said Ric Flair sucks. The same Ric Flair that is known WORLDWIDE. The same Ric Flair that countless of top wrestling stars respect and admire. So we are supposed to believe Flair sucks because YOU think so? We're drinking McMahon Kool-Aid because YOU say Flair sucks?

In the words of a Snoop Dogg song, "B Please"

First off, Snoop is pimp, and all a pimp is good for is land fill.

It's also obvious that you didn't get the Galileo reference so I will explain it too you. He was the guy who told everybody that the world revolved around the sun, when everybody else said that the sun revolved around the earth. That means that just because everybody in the known world (or in this case Pro Wrestling Fan's) say it's so, doesn't mean it's so. Also if you will be kind enough to re-read my post I said that it was "their's and your opinion, and that mine is that Ric Flair sucks." I am simply expressing my view. It's not my fault that you can't handle somebody having a difference of opinion. As for my dislike for McMahon... what exactly is there to like. He's and adulterer, he as lied and cheated his employees (including a Toronto based Limo company owner my sister knew), and whether you like it or not, he does have some degree of accountability in the death of Owen Hart. While Owen agreed to do the Blue Blazer bit at Over the Edge, as his employer McMahon was obligated to ensure every safety measure was taken. Instead he went out of his way to find a company that would do the rigging without the safety back-ups. So yeah, great guy, I should put him on my Christmas card list this year.

For years, you have blathered about the greatness of Bret Hart. Now that Bret has gone forward with his life and got rid of the hate towards McMahon, you flipped on Bret. That simply means you are a very bitter guy. The strange part is WHY do you hate McMahon so much? I mean, I don't see you rambling on about evil dictators of the world killing innocent people. I don't see you rambling about how society in general treats other people because of race, religion, creed, gender, sexual orientation, etc. No. You ramble on about a freaking entertainment industry. Never mind the fact that McMahon has built the WWE into a worldwide recognized entity. Never mind that McMahon consistently has special shows to the men and women of the US Armed Forces. That includes service personnel get FREE tickets. Never mind the fact that the WWE usually tops the list in the Make A Wish Foundation for sick kids. Noooooooooooooooooooo, Vince McMahon is so evil that everything he touches is just pure wrong.

Yet again I will rebut this stupid Bret Hart nonsense. Bret Hart was without a doubt the greatest in ring worker of his era, perhaps of all time. In fact he was so good that he never felt the need to sandbag a match to protect his spot on the card. Unlike Ric Flair who did was so insecure about his skills that he did just that to Scott Steiner. However when you draw a line in the sand and say something is wrong, you don't change mind about it just because somebody else does, you might change your view of that person, but if you have any real conviction you stand by what you believe and don't let others sway you.

I think it's great that Vince sends the wrestlers over seas to entertain the troops. It's wonderful how he is exploiting the brave men and women of you military to get publicity for his company, and at the same time sells you the G.I. Joe flavoured Kool Aid. However that still doesn't change the fact that Oje Hart's father won't be at his graduation, nor will he be at his little sisters wedding. Not that something like that means anything to you, after all you getting entertained every Monday and Friday correct?

Grow the fuck up and get over the stupid hate. You're never going to convince anyone that McMahon is worse than Osama Bin Laden. You are never going to convince anyone that your wrestling knowledge is superior to anyone else's. You appear to be delusional and so bitter over Vince McMahon for some weird reason, that you make no sense. Notice that many of us laugh at your wrestling knowledge. You just flap your gums and people see you that you spend way too much time hating a man you don't even know on a personal level. I can understand disagreeing with how he runs HIS company, but dude, you are way over the top.

You need to "grow the fuck up" I would never compare a corrupt business man to a terrorist. That’s simply the stupidest comment I think you have ever made... and in all fairness I don't think you've made any before. I would be more inclined to compare him to the old style trucking bosses who pretty much worked guys to death. Get it from A to B by this time Tuesday or your fired. The difference is, unlike the wrestlers, the Truck Drivers actual found their balls and fought for their rights (in fact my grandfather was a teamster back in the early days). Then there was that time in 1986, just prior to WrestleMania 2, when Jessie Ventura was on the verge of organizing the company into a Union and you pal Hulk Hogan ratted him out to Vince. I guess there really is a reason why he ware's yellow, because he is a backs stabbing gutless piece of shit.

I'm pretty much a 3rd generation Union Man PrimeTime. Grandpa was a Teamster, my father is in a Trade Union, and so am I. To me the rights of the worker to have a safe working environment are paramount over somebody who is already a billionaire making more money. In fact with all the money he has there is no reason for the people who work for him to die the way they do. Car accident, plane crash, hey who can for see that, but stuff like what happened to Owen Hart, there was no reason for it. I will always hate him, I can't help it, it's in my upbringing to hate people who treat the very ones who enable them to make their money so very poorly. If you can't understand that, then their is no further reason for us to continue this discussion.

Frankly I am tired of you trying to tell me what my opinion should be, who I should like, and what I should say. That type of shit belongs in 3rd grade, and even in third grade I never let people tell me who or what I should like. The Roman Catholic Church could accuse me of heresy for saying it, and I would still tell them Flair sucks. I’ve watched his matches, they are boring. I’ve heard his promos, he sounds like an idiot. His book was the longest blow job Vince McMahon ever received, and worst of all, he is an insecure and petty excuse for a man, who has probably fucked more people then the Bunny Ranch Nevada.

That’s my opinion, you don’t like it, tough shit.
ST
 
You don't get it do you? First of all, Snoop is not a pimp. That's a persona. Get it right.

Second, dude, you have no idea on what you're talking about. What you are failing to realize that you may have your opinion, but we all disagree. You continue to insult us by saying we're "drinking McMahon Kool-Aid" and such. Every single time a wrestling thread comes up, you usually interject some anti-McMahon drivel in the thread. Get a clue. No one gives a flying...... about what you think. No one cares. You seem so hell-bent on insulting McMahon, but yet, his organization just keeps on running. For all this crap about he's responsible for Owen's death (he's not, it was an unfortunate accident no matter how much you try and spin it), wrestlers are not leaving the WWE are they? If McMahon was such a evil man, his company would have folded a long time ago.

Oh wait. We are all drinking McMahon Kool-Aid and Slaver tickler knows the truth! This guy who can barely spell and write coherent sentences has such insight on the true workings on the background of professional wrestling, we should all heed his warnings about McMahon. Yes, he doesn't know McMahon personally and has never worked with the guy, but hey, it's his opinion and he must be right! Where did he get his info? Who the hell knows, but Slaver is a wrestling expert. McMahon has made pro-wrestling a household name, but he has no idea on how to run a wrestling business.

Don't forget. Slaver loved Bret Hart. I mean, he used to brag about Hart so much, I actually started to despise Bret Hart. Then lo and behold Bret Hart started working with McMahon again. Did this make Slaver realize his blind, unfounded rage against McMahon may be a *bit* over the top? Nope. He turned his back on Bret Hart. I guess Bret Hart has drank the McMahon Kool-Aid now too.

Slaver, we don't give a flying... about your opinion. You say tough shit? We agree. Just like we want to tell you, you don't like our fanship of McMahon and the WWE? Well, tough shit. Learn to live with it. You are so way off base, it is getting quite sad....
 
You don't get it do you? First of all, Snoop is not a pimp. That's a persona. Get it right.

Second, dude, you have no idea on what you're talking about. What you are failing to realize that you may have your opinion, but we all disagree. You continue to insult us by saying we're "drinking McMahon Kool-Aid" and such. Every single time a wrestling thread comes up, you usually interject some anti-McMahon drivel in the thread. Get a clue. No one gives a flying...... about what you think. No one cares. You seem so hell-bent on insulting McMahon, but yet, his organization just keeps on running. For all this crap about he's responsible for Owen's death (he's not, it was an unfortunate accident no matter how much you try and spin it), wrestlers are not leaving the WWE are they? If McMahon was such a evil man, his company would have folded a long time ago.

Oh wait. We are all drinking McMahon Kool-Aid and Slaver tickler knows the truth! This guy who can barely spell and write coherent sentences has such insight on the true workings on the background of professional wrestling, we should all heed his warnings about McMahon. Yes, he doesn't know McMahon personally and has never worked with the guy, but hey, it's his opinion and he must be right! Where did he get his info? Who the hell knows, but Slaver is a wrestling expert. McMahon has made pro-wrestling a household name, but he has no idea on how to run a wrestling business.

Don't forget. Slaver loved Bret Hart. I mean, he used to brag about Hart so much, I actually started to despise Bret Hart. Then lo and behold Bret Hart started working with McMahon again. Did this make Slaver realize his blind, unfounded rage against McMahon may be a *bit* over the top? Nope. He turned his back on Bret Hart. I guess Bret Hart has drank the McMahon Kool-Aid now too.

Slaver, we don't give a flying... about your opinion. You say tough shit? We agree. Just like we want to tell you, you don't like our fanship of McMahon and the WWE? Well, tough shit. Learn to live with it. You are so way off base, it is getting quite sad....




well said

No matter what the wrestling subject is at some point slaver will bring up Vince . You don't have to like Vince to watch his product . :shock:
I have said it many times I always preferred NWA/ WCW to the WWF/WWE . Here are your choices . Watch WWE or TNA or don`t watch wrestling .

Owens accident was terrible and everyone was/is saddened by his loss. But he felt confident about his safety to do it ; nobody made him . Truth is if his last name wasn't Hart that Slaver wouldn't beat a dead horse.

Slaver , nobody has ever said you need to like Vince or watch the WWE . But for someone who SAYS he doesn't watch or follow it you sure seem to be fanatical about it . whats up with that ?? :cynical:
 
I have said it many times I always preferred NWA/ WCW to the WWF/WWE . Here are your choices . Watch WWE or TNA or don`t watch wrestling .
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well ROH did just get a tv deal, and will be on the channel smackdown used to be on in September, so theres that
 
well said

No matter what the wrestling subject is at some point slaver will bring up Vince . You don't have to like Vince to watch his product . :shock:
I have said it many times I always preferred NWA/ WCW to the WWF/WWE . Here are your choices . Watch WWE or TNA or don`t watch wrestling .

Owens accident was terrible and everyone was/is saddened by his loss. But he felt confident about his safety to do it ; nobody made him . Truth is if his last name wasn't Hart that Slaver wouldn't beat a dead horse.

Slaver , nobody has ever said you need to like Vince or watch the WWE . But for someone who SAYS he doesn't watch or follow it you sure seem to be fanatical about it . whats up with that ?? :cynical:

Exactly. Maybe one day, Slaver will get over this obssession with hating McMahon and realize how silly it is...

To me, WWE is just "ok" at this point. I watch it because of habit. There's a few guys who keep me amused, but it is nothing like the Hulkamania era, or the Attitude era.
 
You don't get it do you? First of all, Snoop is not a pimp. That's a persona. Get it right.

Second, dude, you have no idea on what you're talking about. What you are failing to realize that you may have your opinion, but we all disagree. You continue to insult us by saying we're "drinking McMahon Kool-Aid" and such. Every single time a wrestling thread comes up, you usually interject some anti-McMahon drivel in the thread. Get a clue. No one gives a flying...... about what you think. No one cares. You seem so hell-bent on insulting McMahon, but yet, his organization just keeps on running. For all this crap about he's responsible for Owen's death (he's not, it was an unfortunate accident no matter how much you try and spin it), wrestlers are not leaving the WWE are they? If McMahon was such a evil man, his company would have folded a long time ago.

Oh wait. We are all drinking McMahon Kool-Aid and Slaver tickler knows the truth! This guy who can barely spell and write coherent sentences has such insight on the true workings on the background of professional wrestling, we should all heed his warnings about McMahon. Yes, he doesn't know McMahon personally and has never worked with the guy, but hey, it's his opinion and he must be right! Where did he get his info? Who the hell knows, but Slaver is a wrestling expert. McMahon has made pro-wrestling a household name, but he has no idea on how to run a wrestling business.

Don't forget. Slaver loved Bret Hart. I mean, he used to brag about Hart so much, I actually started to despise Bret Hart. Then lo and behold Bret Hart started working with McMahon again. Did this make Slaver realize his blind, unfounded rage against McMahon may be a *bit* over the top? Nope. He turned his back on Bret Hart. I guess Bret Hart has drank the McMahon Kool-Aid now too.

Slaver, we don't give a flying... about your opinion. You say tough shit? We agree. Just like we want to tell you, you don't like our fanship of McMahon and the WWE? Well, tough shit. Learn to live with it. You are so way off base, it is getting quite sad....

Like I said, if you don't understand it, then there is no point in us talking about it anymore.
 
well said

No matter what the wrestling subject is at some point slaver will bring up Vince . You don't have to like Vince to watch his product .

Maybe not, but I have to at least be able to respect somebody to show support for them and their company. Why would I want to add to the ratings of show run by somebody who is the exact opposite of what I was raised to believe in.

Again, like PrimeTime (who I consider to be allot smarter then you), you don't get it either. Then again I never thought you did, or ever would.

ST
 
I had planned to walk away from this but then I gave this another look...

Second, dude, you have no idea on what you're talking about. What you are failing to realize that you may have your opinion, but we all disagree. You continue to insult us by saying we're "drinking McMahon Kool-Aid" and such. Every single time a wrestling thread comes up, you usually interject some anti-McMahon drivel in the thread. Get a clue. No one gives a flying...... about what you think. No one cares. You seem so hell-bent on insulting McMahon, but yet, his organization just keeps on running. For all this crap about he's responsible for Owen's death (he's not, it was an unfortunate accident no matter how much you try and spin it), wrestlers are not leaving the WWE are they? If McMahon was such a evil man, his company would have folded a long time ago.

First of all I know exactly what I am talking about, because I have researched everything I have commented on. I am fully aware of the fact that you disagree with me, but in your mind the world is flat and the sun revolves around it. You are drinking the McMahon Kool-Aid and I rarely initiate any opinion on Vince McMahon. Normally it's you who brings up McMahon. I don't simply insult McMahon, I in fact speak the truth about the guy. No matter how much ass kissing bull shit you want to try, Owen Harts death was a result of negligence on the part of Vince McMahon and the WWE that means his death was Vince's fault because it was his responsibility to take every precaution to ensure Owen's safety. Something he failed to do when he went out of his way to hire a company that would do the rigging with out the proper safety back ups. Just because something is an accident doesn't mean somebody isn't at fault... maybe I've been giving you to much credit in the intelligence department all these years.

Negligence law- the failure to exercise that degree of care that, in the circumstances, the law requires for the protection of other persons or those interests of other persons that may be injuriously affected by the want of such care.

Wrestler's are leaving the WWE all the time, and even if they weren't it wouldn't necessarily reflect on McMahon's disposition or what type of person he is, it reflects on the performers ability to make a good living in his/her chosen field. When you basically have a monopoly in an industry you can pretty much get away with treating people like shit. I guess you don't have enough common sense or sense of values to see or understand that concept.

Every time we bang heads on this topic you bring up bullshit. Vince sends the WWE to Iraq to entertain the troops. What if there was a wrestler who refused to go because he didn't agree with the war? Vince would probably fire him (or her). On what grounds would he have the right to do so, unless it's in the performers contract that he has to go, he has no legal right to fire the guy. He would do it because of the bad press. Besides it's got nothing to do with the troops other then exploiting them as a P.R. move. You bring up the Make a Wish Foundation... now that is a GREAT organization, I respect what they do for the kids. However for McMahon it is simply another P.R. move. You bring up my spelling and grammar all the time, yet if I were to create a 2nd account, come on this thread, and agree with you on everything you wouldn't even mention it would you?

The one thing that might have saved Owen would have been a union, but your other hero Hulk Hogan, dropped the big leg on that when he ratted out Jessie Ventura for trying to get one started.

So if you are going to debate me then at least make an effort to try an stay on topic. Don't bring up spelling and grammar, don't bring up the Make a Wish Foundation, and please don't bring up those poor buggers in Iraq who are risking there lives so Halliburton can make another billion. None of it has to do with the fact that on May 23 1999, in Kansas City Missouri a good man died because of a bad man's greed, and to make matter worse, they kept the show going. A staged athletic exhibition, and they kept it going after somebody died doing a stupid bit he never should have been asked to do. All because the boss failed to ensure his safety. I wonder how that would have worked out had it been Shane McMahon.

Then again, as your Congress once said in September of 1939, "It's not our problem.".

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid
ST
 
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I had planned to walk away from this but then I gave this another look...



First of all I know exactly what I am talking about, because I have researched everything I have commented on. I am fully aware of the fact that you disagree with me, but in your mind the world is flat and the sun revolves around it. You are drinking the McMahon Kool-Aid and I rarely initiate any opinion on Vince McMahon. Normally it's you who brings up McMahon. I don't simply insult McMahon, I in fact speak the truth about the guy. No matter how much ass kissing bull shit you want to try, Owen Harts death was a result of negligence on the part of Vince McMahon and the WWE that means his death was Vince's fault because it was his responsibility to take every precaution to ensure Owen's safety. Something he failed to do when he went out of his way to hire a company that would do the rigging with out the proper safety back ups. Just because something is an accident doesn't mean somebody isn't at fault... maybe I've been giving you to much credit in the intelligence department all these years.

Negligence law- the failure to exercise that degree of care that, in the circumstances, the law requires for the protection of other persons or those interests of other persons that may be injuriously affected by the want of such care.

Wrestler's are leaving the WWE all the time, and even if they weren't it wouldn't necessarily reflect on McMahon's disposition or what type of person he is, it reflects on the performers ability to make a good living in his/her chosen field. When you basically have a monopoly in an industry you can pretty much get away with treating people like shit. I guess you don't have enough common sense or sense of values to see or understand that concept.

Every time we bang heads on this topic you bring up bullshit. Vince sends the WWE to Iraq to entertain the troops. What if there was a wrestler who refused to go because he didn't agree with the war? Vince would probably fire him (or her). On what grounds would he have the right to do so, unless it's in the performers contract that he has to go, he has no legal right to fire the guy. He would do it because of the bad press. Besides it's got nothing to do with the troops other then exploiting them as a P.R. move. You bring up the Make a Wish Foundation... now that is a GREAT organization, I respect what they do for the kids. However for McMahon it is simply another P.R. move. You bring up my spelling and grammar all the time, yet if I were to create a 2nd account, come on this thread, and agree with you on everything you wouldn't even mention it would you?

The one thing that might have saved Owen would have been a union, but your other hero Hulk Hogan, dropped the big leg on that when he ratted out Jessie Ventura for trying to get one started.

So if you are going to debate me then at least make an effort to try an stay on topic. Don't bring up spelling and grammar, don't bring up the Make a Wish Foundation, and please don't bring up those poor buggers in Iraq who are risking there lives so Halliburton can make another billion. None of it has to do with the fact that on May 23 1999, in Kansas City Missouri a good man died because of a bad man's greed, and to make matter worse, they kept the show going. A staged athletic exhibition, and they kept it going after somebody died doing a stupid bit he never should have been asked to do. All because the boss failed to ensure his safety. I wonder how that would have worked out had it been Shane McMahon.

Then again, as your Congress once said in September of 1939, "It's not our problem.".

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid
ST

i hate to be this guy but- Hart had performed the stunt only a few times before and was worried about performing the stunt at Kemper due to the height involved. He only practiced this stunt one time before. Hart's wife Martha has suggested that, by moving around to get comfortable with both the harness and his cape on, Hart unintentionally triggered an early release

it was owens fault just as much as Mcmahon's or anyone else for that matter. Its a shitty situation that was an accident. Can some blame fall on Vince, sure it can. But its almost like you think he purposely killed Owen.

and on your tribute to the troops rant, several wrestlers over the years have refused to go for one reason or another and haven't been fired. Which is why if you watch it, its always the same core of talent, there are a lot of superstars who have never gone
 
I still watch wrestling, but if you are all that badass go to mixed martial arts and get a total reality check.
 
i hate to be this guy but- Hart had performed the stunt only a few times before and was worried about performing the stunt at Kemper due to the height involved. He only practiced this stunt one time before. Hart's wife Martha has suggested that, by moving around to get comfortable with both the harness and his cape on, Hart unintentionally triggered an early release

it was owens fault just as much as Mcmahon's or anyone else for that matter. Its a shitty situation that was an accident. Can some blame fall on Vince, sure it can. But its almost like you think he purposely killed Owen.

and on your tribute to the troops rant, several wrestlers over the years have refused to go for one reason or another and haven't been fired. Which is why if you watch it, its always the same core of talent, there are a lot of superstars who have never gone

Yeah, your right, it was Owen's fault that the WWE chose to go out of their way to hire a company that would set up the rigging with out the proper safety back ups that would have prevented his death... wow... that was the stupidest comment you have ever made. Regardless of the fact that some guys have or haven't gone, it doesn't change the fact that it is done for PR, and not for the troops. If it was about the Armed forces Vince would put on shows in Afghanistan to, but he doesn't because the media doesn't talk about Afghanistan as much in the United States. All in all it is irrelevant to my reason for disliking Vince witch is the manner in witch he treats his employees.

So unless you can defend cheating people out of money, needlessly endangering peoples in an already dangerous industry, or flat out lying to them, you can pretty much go away. Instead of looking at the man as some sort of Messiah of sports entertainment see him for the dirt bag he is.
 
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