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What are model's experiences working with producers?

mabus

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There have been a few threads over the years wondering what it was like for producers to work with models.

A thread by CuntTard got me thinking about what it was like for models to work with PRODUCERS?

What's the MODEL'S stories?

How do they differentiate between a great producer and a crappy producer, or a fantastic producer to a "creepy" producer?

(There was a survey recently, and the worst insult a woman can call a man is "creepy." Which makes sense.
They'd rather be called liars, cheats, assholes....because in today's world, that'll STILL get you women!
"Creepy," ...you're pretty much screwed. Hell, a guy would go out with a "creepy" girl before a girl would even consider a creepy guy!)
 
Well the problem is that women use "creepy" lazily as a catch-all for "I don't want to go out with that guy." I remember reading about this once on some website. All these women chimed in with guy traits that would count as "creepy." There was clearly no easy definition of "creepy." Everything was "creepy." Guys with long toenails were "creepy." Guys who owned cats were "creepy." Guys who were shorter than 6'0 were "creepy." I think women feel bad telling guys why they're really not into them, so they make up this word "creepy" as an excuse. But it would almost be better just to tell the guy the real reason, because "creepy" could mean anything from being too fat to being a child molester.
 
I think women feel bad telling guys why they're really not into them, so they make up this word "creepy" as an excuse.

No. That's not it. Someone who is not my type is not necessarily creepy. But he can become creepy if he doesn't get the hint and creeps around me (there you go definition wise 😉 ) still trying to sneak in physical contact and shit like that. Creepy and sneaky are pretty much on the same sheet of music.
 
No. That's not it. Someone who is not my type is not necessarily creepy. But he can become creepy if he doesn't get the hint and creeps around me (there you go definition wise 😉 ) still trying to sneak in physical contact and shit like that. Creepy and sneaky are pretty much on the same sheet of music.

So creepy essentially means that the girl isn't into the guy, but the guy refuses to take no for an answer and continues to pursue the girl?
 
Okay I'll bite and give you a creeper story. This was my 2nd ever photo shoot and this guy(who I believed was in his 60s) contacted me on Fet. He sent me pictures from his portfolio and they were nice plus seemed legit. We had set up to meet at a restaurant and then shoot at a near by hotel. I was nervous as hell, but he seemed like a nice guy. When we got to the room he had ordered a bottle of wine. It felt a little off and I couldn't help, but wonder if he was trying to get me drunk. I didn't drink a single drop. Well we started shooting and so far everything was going great until we started chatting. I found out his wife wasn't doing it for him anymore. He talked about how they use to have wild and crazy sex all the time. Well I asked if she knew about his fetish photography? He said, "Hell no." I just went silent. Plus he talked about how he played with his other models. I got naked and he started commenting on how hot I was and that my clit was gorgeous. At one point he asked if he was turning me on? I just politely said no you're too old for me. I was getting so scared. I just wanted it to be over. We finally left to go to an ATM to get my 300$. He said he'd throw in an extra 100 if I ate with him at a restaurant naked only wearing my long winter coat. I declined and this is what got to me the most. He told me I was a nice kid and to be careful. Said someone could easily take advantage of me. He said he could've taken advantage of me. The look in his eyes when he said that. Oh I know this wasn't tickling, but hopefully it still works. I can tell you that his Fet profile is long gone. I can't help, but wonder if the wife found out.
 
I haven't had any "dangerous" modeling encounters but I have had 2 creepy/odd ones.

The first one happened about 6 years ago. I was in a grocery store and a fellow approached me and told me he was a photographer, wanted to shoot me, etc., etc. It was a line I'd heard quite a few times before but this guy had a business card, portfolio, references, etc. He was primarily in architectural photography but wanted to shoot some art nude/glamour stuff. We chatted a couple times on the phone and arranged a 2 hour shoot at a studio in London- staffed front desk, other studios in use, etc., so all safe. So far so good.
About halfway through the shoot, he started saying "what a sexy young lady I was" and asking if I had a BF, etc- (Libertine and I were engaged at the time). I told him I was engaged. He began asking what he did, if he made good money, etc. He then started telling me how "he could be very generous" and "arrangements could be made for the right woman" and asking me, basically, if I would be interested in a "discreet arrangement on the side" in exchange for financial compensation! Obviously this was NOT of interest to me! I told him this- and to be fair he was polite enough when I did, said my guy was very lucky, etc. He paid me the shoot fee and I left. No actual harm done, but it certainly felt pretty icky.

The second incident- and this one was just more odd than creepy- happened a couple years later. I was contacted via a model site by a man who wanted to do some artsy/pinup shots at the local Camera Club. He gave a model who was a friend of mine as a reference. She told me "he was fine, safe, I wouldn't get anything from the shoot I could use for my portfolio but ok guy". I booked the shoot, and we met at the Camera Club.
While I was getting ready, makeup, etc., he asked if I would like some tea. I said I would, and when he brought it, he asked if I would mind getting undressed and having the tea without my clothes on. I asked "so you want to shoot me drinking tea naked? Ok" He said no, he just wanted to chat to me while I drank tea naked, because that was his "thing". He had a fetish for socializing with naked ladies while they did normal activities, especially drinking tea- a sort of naked tea party! Except he would be clothed... What could possibly be a more English fetish than that?

It was an odd request, though harmless. But as I was there to model, and not to get someone's rocks off, I did request that he took a few shots while I drank the tea and chatted- that way, I was modeling, NOT providing a fetish service. There is a HUGE difference between ANY type of modelling, fashion OR fetish, and working, say, a foot party, or being a pro-domme or pro sub, etc...I have no issue with those that provide these services, but it is NOT modelling! If they aren't shooting photo or video, and you aren't signing a release for some sort of usage, you are not modeliing. Period.

Anyhow, we did the rest of the shoot. As it happened, he lived quite a solitary existence, and used these photoshoots primarily to indulge his fetish, by introducing the "naked tea party" after the shoot was booked and begun. When I saw the woman who'd provided the reference and told her about the shoot, her reaction was "Oh, I am so sorry- I forgot to tell you about the tea thing! Hope it didn't weird you out too much!" Takes all kinds...

So, the similarity in these 2 occasions? In both cases, the photographers booked me for one purpose- being photographed- and tried to introduce things not previously agreed upon. This is not the behaviour or a professional. The No. 1 complaint about photographers/producers, especially with fetish- that which bestows the label of "creepy" upon them- is when they try, by deception or omission, to inveigle the model into activities that are not within the parameters of the shoot, especially if they want to do them without the camera running. Or if they tell the model she'll be working with another model, say for a tickling video, and then when the model arrives, they tell her "the other girl couldn't show- I'm doing the tickling with the camera on auto". Or she agrees to partial nudity, or a bikini, etc. in advance, and then they try to convince her to show more than agreed. You get the idea!

Porcelaindoll2-hope to see you again at NEST, or other events, if you are going to do paid tickling or any type of BDSM sessions with a total stranger- speaking from zero experience of doing any myself, but my advice would be not to just rely on a chat beforehand. Have a "safe call", make sure that the client knows that another person knows where you are, actually have a friend close by, and if you don't know them, avoid bondage. Even better than using a hotel, have the client rent space at a pro dungeon or something, that has someone on reception. Same as you would do for shoots, playdates, etc.
 
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I should add, that these 2 instances of odd behaviour were isolated instances, only 2 out of over 100 shoots. I did not feel frightened at all on those 2 occasions, as I'd been careful and checked references, and in both cases the shoots were in staffed studios. I would even have given the second photographer mentioned an ok reference, though I would have warned the model about the "Tea Party" and let her make her own decisions about it.

A couple bad experiences don't make models suspect all photographers- even most GWCs (Guys-With-Camera) are perfectly nice and genuinely want to make some good images! We just tend to go by the old maxim of better safe than sorry, which is why references, safe calls, and careful choice of locations are important.
 
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Fantastic post, KittenToes! Maybe these guys are afraid the model will turn them down if they gave all the details (except the first one, that's a whole 'nother
situation!) but I always wondered what the percentage of women wouldn't be totally creeped out by being asked to be in a tickle shoot!
How does a producer try to hire models, while sounding professional, but about a fetish shoot?

(I'm sure it depends on the model - one will run away screaming, or call the cops...the other will ask what time to show up and that she's bringing an escort...)
..and that's a whole nother topic I've seen debated on ModelMayhem, about bringing escorts, and a lot of photographers there were against it!
 
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Photographers DO often have their reason for not wanting the escort in the room during the shoot. It could break concentration of both the model and photographer, and I have known photographers who have been physically threatened by models' boyfriends (bf didn't like what she was doing/shooting) and have had equipment stolen as well by an escort.

But if the studio has a waiting room, the photographer should never be bothered by the escort staying there during the shoot, or if it's a home shoot, dropping the model off/picking her up at the agreed time.
 
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Plus he talked about how he played with his other models. I got naked and he started commenting on how hot I was and that my clit was gorgeous.

This would have been the very moment I would have ended the shoot! Girl really, be more careful and take an escort next time!
 
Not that it really matters anymore because I have a girlfriend but wow weird guys really ruin it for the normal ones.
 
Not that it really matters anymore because I have a girlfriend but wow weird guys really ruin it for the normal ones.

No they don't. People who deal with this stuff are very well aware that there are weirdos and normal people. 😉
 
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