What do you really want to see in a C4S store?

[BigJim1]

Kuj, any further developments?

 

[birdburdy]

God Almighty, I'm surprised she didn't end up needing to see a chiropractor. That was the MOST viscious dunking I have ever seen in my misguided life. Lol Definitely an English one too, judging from the accent of the guy on the mic.

There is another video of a blonde girl being dunked (technically: ducked) somewhere on youtube.

And yes it's English. It's from the now defunct "Alnwick Fair", which up until a couple of years ago was held in Alnwick in last June for one week. Unfortunately I never went, but I do have a female friend who went. For some strange reason she decided to stand right at the front and essentially heckle the town crier so much that the militia grabbed her and hauled her on-stage for her punishment. It's funny that they didn't formally ask her permission, but since she sat on the ducking-stool when asked I guess that was permission enough! Apparently the water was pretty cold!

Just out of interest BB, would you go for reconstructions of that sort of thing on a C4S site? I just ask, because it didn’t have much to do with stocks or foot tickling or torture on anything I’d normally associate Kuj with.

Yes and no. I wasn't saying that medieval duckings should feature in KJ's videos I'm just trying to portray the idea that a situation can be pleasant to watch. Especially something as out-there are a full-sized ducking stool in the market square of a small town! There's a kind of coarse reality to this that's appealing, entertaining.

I like to imagine a sandy village where a young lady is subjected to a long series of punishments without respite in between. She might be paraded around the village, wearing just a robe and iron shackles. Then she's taken off to a stone dungeon and ignored for a while. Then she's taken out and ducked for the entertainment of the villagers. ... Then placed in the stocks for some evening entertainment. Then at night when she's back in the castle her feet are locked through holes the in brickwork to make them accessible from outside, for people to do what they like with. You get the idea.

 

[BorisandNatasha]

I guess I am alone here. I love to see male victims! Middle-aged men, off the charts insanely ticklish that fear the sight of a feather, placed in strict ,creative positions(anything but spread eagle loose bed bondage), preferable nonconsensual-like predicaments with taunting sadistic evil tormentors(male or female) that really mind-f*ck their victims. My charge card is always ready to get used for such material, problem is, I can't find it!! sadly as I echo in my lonely world I will keep searching............:blush Natasha.

 

[birdburdy]

I guess I am alone here. I love to see male victims! Middle-aged men, off the charts insanely ticklish that fear the sight of a feather, placed in strict ,creative positions(anything but spread eagle loose bed bondage), preferable nonconsensual-like predicaments with taunting sadistic evil tormentors(male or female) that really mind-f*ck their victims. My charge card is always ready to get used for such material, problem is, I can't find it!! sadly as I echo in my lonely world I will keep searching............:blush Natasha.

No not totally alone. I'm completely straight but I do quite like seeing a male victim at the hands of a female tormentor.

Actually it would be interesting from an educational point of view. You often see female bottoms ('lees) bound in difficult strenuous positions which require a lot of flexibility while exposing many vulnerable part of the body. It would be great to learn about new things that can be done to us guys!

 

[BorisandNatasha]

Real Ticklers who know what they are doing would be a nice start. Real and genuinely ticklish victims would be even nicer.
Spread eagle bondage is fine so long as it is done with the right amount of leather cuffs and rope and the victim IS TRULY immobile and not flailing around practically able to just get up and walk out let alone having enough movement to protect themselves!
LONG evil and unmerciful tickle torture torment...victim begging hysterically not having a conversation with the tickler(s). Ticklers showing no mercy and the person being tickled having no control at all in the scene.
That is a very good start.

Sinisterly,

Boris

 

[BorisandNatasha]

I guess I am alone here. I love to see male victims! Middle-aged men, off the charts insanely ticklish that fear the sight of a feather, placed in strict ,creative positions(anything but spread eagle loose bed bondage), preferable nonconsensual-like predicaments with taunting sadistic evil tormentors(male or female) that really mind-f*ck their victims. My charge card is always ready to get used for such material, problem is, I can't find it!! sadly as I echo in my lonely world I will keep searching............:blush Natasha.

Not a bad request my dear evil Natasha!
As for us, we can find a way to make spread eagle bondage on a bed immobile but I wish we had the right "furniture" to make it happen on our own.


Sinisterly,

Boris

Ps. There are apparently no males out there who will appear in vids that fit what you seek and what should be. All the producers want are "looks". No substance or reality, just looks. No intensity and genuine torment tickling. Just actors who fill the room with fake ha ha's . Sad but true. More "dead fish" on film.

 

[BigJim1]

There is another video of a blonde girl being dunked (technically: ducked) somewhere on youtube.

And yes it's English. It's from the now defunct "Alnwick Fair", which up until a couple of years ago was held in Alnwick in last June for one week. Unfortunately I never went, but I do have a female friend who went. For some strange reason she decided to stand right at the front and essentially heckle the town crier so much that the militia grabbed her and hauled her on-stage for her punishment. It's funny that they didn't formally ask her permission, but since she sat on the ducking-stool when asked I guess that was permission enough! Apparently the water was pretty cold!

They probably assumed that she was volunteering through her actions. Someone who didn't want to volunteer at a public thing like that would not go to the front and heckle.

However, I think it's a bit off that they did it to someone that they didn't know had a change of clothes or wasn't wearing something that would be permenantly ruined by the treatment it was about to get.

Just out of interest, what did they use as a tank for this ducking thing? It would have to be pretty huge, because at the speed they were dropping them there would have had to be plenty of room on all sides of the duck-ee, and plenty of depth under them, to ensure no-one got injured. If someone collided with the side or bottom of a solid tank at the speed they were doing it, they would have been bones broken, so it must have been quite a size.

Btw, your friend wasn't called Dorothy, was she?

 

[birdburdy]

They probably assumed that she was volunteering through her actions. Someone who didn't want to volunteer at a public thing like that would not go to the front and heckle.

However, I think it's a bit off that they did it to someone that they didn't know had a change of clothes or wasn't wearing something that would be permenantly ruined by the treatment it was about to get.

Well they way she told me the story it sounds like she was more than happy to be ducked. I think they read her pretty well. She was given a change of clothes afterwards - it's pretty cold in Alnwick at that time of year!

Just out of interest, what did they use as a tank for this ducking thing? It would have to be pretty huge, because at the speed they were dropping them there would have had to be plenty of room on all sides of the duck-ee, and plenty of depth under them, to ensure no-one got injured. If someone collided with the side or bottom of a solid tank at the speed they were doing it, they would have been bones broken, so it must have been quite a size.

It used to be a metal skip - like the construction yard type of skip. The water was also not that clean. In more recent years I think it was a custom built device, which was deeper.

Btw, your friend wasn't called Dorothy, was she?

Nope.

 

[BigJim1]

It used to be a metal skip - like the construction yard type of skip. The water was also not that clean. In more recent years I think it was a custom built device, which was deeper.

No kidding? Health & Safety would probably be all over that these days.

Just out of interest, do you know how they emptied it? How would they have tipped that up on one end before the collector came?

 

[BigJim1]

Kuuuuuuuuujjj, what's a-happenin'? Deviant minds need to know!

 

[bigboldbat]

i likes the harsher stuff. not so caring about the restraint device just want it to really hold the victim tight. no safeword play with tickling and endurance torments 😀 when will the store open?

 

[stroker]

obviously it should look and feel real with genuine laughter and struggling not mindless screaming or chanting OMG,OMG... ad nauseam .secondly a sense of occasion, mystique and erotisism too many scenarios look like a couple of pals filling in time before they weed the garden, denim and loose t shirts are not sexy ! And lastly ticklers who know when to shut up! trust me its victims reaction we are interested in

 

[LionKing08]

It is time for that kind of store to open, I just wonder will KJ every get around to opening a store?

 

[Kujman1]

It is time for that kind of store to open...

Do you and the few others posting here really think it's time for a store that offers such intensity and genuine "real time" torture sans any models or scripted acting?

Or... do you feel as I do that TK producers will once again do anything, start any story or lie, just to quell any sales of such a store? After all, wouldn't it flatten their sales? They certainly couldn't call any of their films "real" or "torture" in comparison.

It's not a matter of making material. That's a cinch. Already done. It's a matter of who's going to buy it in such an over-saturated market.

With all due respect to everyone who's posted here: it doesn't seem very optimistic or hopeful. You're but a sparce 8 or so posters in comparison to the majority of the 250 gazllion that are members of this board-- whom by their silence on this issue must prefer the feather dusters, ridiculous bondage attempts, and faked laughter that current TK producers shovel out.

:cry

 

[LionKing08]

stop holding back, i feel the real deal will sell like hot cakes. If you are waiting for everyone to like you, than you got a long wait ahead of yourself.
Stop caring what others think and just bring the real tickling to life.There is nothing better than real tickle torture.

 

[birdburdy]

With all due respect to everyone who's posted here: it doesn't seem very optimistic or hopeful. You're but a sparce 8 or so posters in comparison to the majority of the 250 gazllion that are members of this board-- whom by their silence on this issue must prefer the feather dusters, ridiculous bondage attempts, and faked laughter that current TK producers shovel out.

:cry

The Tickling Discussion subforum here isn't that popular, people head straight to the clips section. This thread is actually one of the most popular currently on the first page in this section (and it hasn't been around for as long as the other threads).

Plus TK isn't your only market, some of your videos would appeal to anyone in the BDSM scene. If you want a reaction you could maybe try posting a preview clip to the Videos subforum?

 

[Rox_My_Sox1]

I'd like to see naked hawt women bound on racks and gagged and have itching powder put on their feet and light matches applied between their bound toes...and yes I'd love to see a fair amount of tickle torture as well. ^_^

 

[saggio]

Saw this discussion earlier and thought I’d add my two cents. for what it's worth, here goes:

It is long overdue, and thus also the perfect time for genuine, real-life, intense b/d tk to make a comeback, or entryway, or what have you! Like others here, I appreciate utter reality and true torments, and not models, fakeness and such. Yet I can only second what people here have already said, and I think ghosthunter, bigburdy, Big Jim and others hit the nail on the head. First, it's doubtful that the number of responses in this thread can serve as any real indication of how accepted or successful such a proposed store or site would be. In general I would think it more significant that the ticklepalace group on yahoo has many, many members; surely that says there are a lot of people out there who share these interests. Then, it seems extremely likely that a lot of tk-oriented people would absolutely love Kujman’s style of play and material but have never ever been exposed to it, let alone imagined it. Like the Ragu sauce situation that ghosthunter described, they probably don’t know such things exist, and have never once been offered such a choice. But life has a way of attracting the right people to the right things once something is put out into the world. And when the word gets out, such things can only grow, even from humble beginnings.

As far as the subject of video producers sabotaging such a store, did that actually happen? If so, it goes without saying that such behavior is totally contemptible, and there ought to be a way to expose it should anything similar ever occur again. In any event, regards and best to you, Kujman, and to everyone who’s posted, good night!

 

[Kujman1]

The Tickling Discussion subforum here isn't that popular, people head straight to the clips section.

That's the point exactly, my longtime friend.. Look what type of material they run to.

Plus TK isn't your only market, some of your videos would appeal to anyone in the BDSM scene. If you want a reaction you could maybe try posting a preview clip to the Videos subforum?

Well, if I was ever going to open a C4S (though I'm sure producers would shoot me down as I said), as you guessed, I had already banked on the BDSM crowd that I'm a part of.

Releasing a preview vid would be suicide.

As many people (who would sincerely wish to also see my style released) have told me in email: in this day and age of faked tickleporn, topless f/f encounters, lightweight tickle seekers, and over-the-top consensualty issues... it's probably not worth the aggravation, flames, and lies, to get all wrapped up in the TK world again and go through what I already have for the last 30 some years.

I thought the tide had changed a bit, and was weighing the options, getting valid, intelligent opinions. But it always comes right back to the above paragraph. We'll wait and see how this thread goes... and how the TK world goes.

I do appreciate all the input from everyone. I'm listening 🙂

 

[Kujman1]

All good points (below) and from others- I totally agree on everything.

I do feel however that threads such as this and the responces (or lack thereof) are a very good representation of the TK world and what it seeks.

Silence speaks volumes. And while there is any number of people who would love to see and have such material... it's risky as best in a fetish world where people have come to expect fake scenes and relish the inner knowledge that the paid model was acting and always in control.

People write and dream about out-of-control, real time tickling-as-torture. Where the bondage is tight and unforgiving, and there aren't safewords or a way out if it's too much- thus the torture aspect.

However-- writing about it and dreaming about it are one thing. When people actually view the reality of it... they freak out.

Thus the risky nature. If I were to open such a vault of material- I'm the one who gets attacked, flamed, and lied about over it. No one else. And as the past has shown, I'm usually left to battle it alone. Everyone who was encouraging me suddenly vanishes because they want to 'fit in'.

Is it worth it?

And to answer you- yes, producers have done this to me.. using multiple fake names to spread some really stupid lies online .. until they were found out. But by that time I'd already pulled all my materials off the WWW. I'm simply not so anxious to put my head on the chopping block again. I'm sure you see why.

But I'm not playing head games here--I'm sincerely listening and weighing all options.

Kuj

Saw this discussion earlier and thought I’d add my two cents. for what it's worth, here goes:

It is long overdue, and thus also the perfect time for genuine, real-life, intense b/d tk to make a comeback, or entryway, or what have you! Like others here, I appreciate utter reality and true torments, and not models, fakeness and such. Yet I can only second what people here have already said, and I think ghosthunter, bigburdy, Big Jim and others hit the nail on the head. First, it's doubtful that the number of responses in this thread can serve as any real indication of how accepted or successful such a proposed store or site would be. In general I would think it more significant that the ticklepalace group on yahoo has many, many members; surely that says there are a lot of people out there who share these interests. Then, it seems extremely likely that a lot of tk-oriented people would absolutely love Kujman’s style of play and material but have never ever been exposed to it, let alone imagined it. Like the Ragu sauce situation that ghosthunter described, they probably don’t know such things exist, and have never once been offered such a choice. But life has a way of attracting the right people to the right things once something is put out into the world. And when the word gets out, such things can only grow, even from humble beginnings.

As far as the subject of video producers sabotaging such a store, did that actually happen? If so, it goes without saying that such behavior is totally contemptible, and there ought to be a way to expose it should anything similar ever occur again. In any event, regards and best to you, Kujman, and to everyone who’s posted, good night!

 

[Kujman1]

I'd like to see naked hawt women bound on racks and gagged and have itching powder put on their feet and light matches applied between their bound toes...and yes I'd love to see a fair amount of tickle torture as well. ^_^

..sure you would.

 

[dnc2423]

I think you should do this and let the sales speak for themselves. I've always been a big fan of your work, and it's great to see you back.

 

[saggio]

It may be that I am not aware enough about what happens these days on the popular forums or goes on in the tk world, or popular tastes, so my impressions may well be distorted or worthless. If so, I apologize and maybe shouldn’t have posted. But as far as the producers doing that to you, Kujman, it is totally shitty, and I doubt anyone here would expect or want you to have to deal with online attacks and lies, from producers or anyone else. Is all I can say is I am deeply sorry you had to deal with that, it should never have been that way. One of the truly sad things in life is we often can’t prevent idiots and those of poor character from treating others like shit. Much of the time we can only deal with things after damage has been caused. Yet hopefully, we don’t let them stop us from doing what we want or need to do.

Anything put out into the world or done in a public way has certain risks, especially if it’s personally meaningful. Is it worth doing in spite of possible bullshit and negativity? Are you able to put things out there in such a way as to not be affected by the potential behavior of scum, or is that just not possible. Would it make a difference if a bunch of like-minded people totally loved it even if small minority hated or tried to ruin it? Only you can know or perhaps find out, as it is relatively easy for me to sit here & write this. I was never screwed with in such ways, and have never been in a similar situation. I wish there was some way to help, though. Either way, you must do what’s best for you. And either way, you have my respect and admiration, and apparently others here feel similarly.

Since that was more than two cents, at least a nickel, I’ll go away now and retreat, slowly, into the darkness.

 

[birdburdy]

Releasing a preview vid would be suicide.

I think I see what you mean. Some things are worst taken out of context. If you post a 2 minute clip of an intense foot roasting it would look sadistic and frightening, mostly because you'd be missing the dialog and build up to that. Perhaps it would be better to make sections of the post-tickling interviews as previews. People will see the girl saying "Oh my god I didn't think you'd tickle my feet", "I couldn't move at all", "You scared me - but it was a ride!". You'd have these genuine reactions from real girls, and it would all show that everybody involved was happy in the end.

As many people (who would sincerely wish to also see my style released) have told me in email: in this day and age of faked tickleporn, topless f/f encounters, lightweight tickle seekers, and over-the-top consensualty issues... it's probably not worth the aggravation, flames, and lies, to get all wrapped up in the TK world again and go through what I already have for the last 30 some years.

I thought the tide had changed a bit, and was weighing the options, getting valid, intelligent opinions. But it always comes right back to the above paragraph. We'll wait and see how this thread goes... and how the TK world goes.

I do appreciate all the input from everyone. I'm listening 🙂

Ok but you've surely learned a lot since the last time you tried to sell videos. You are older and wiser than you were. The internet has changed a lot in the last ten years: broadband is commonplace and the old ticklepalace would now download instantly. By going through C4S you're also taking steps to pre-emptively defend yourself against possible flames: someone else is doing the video distributing and it's being done online and instantly.

Plus you have a group of people who'll defend you even if you are unfairly flamed.

 

[Powertickle]

Things i'm tired of:

- Models with huge boob implants who are questionably ticklish. Seriously, some girls look nice in stills, but seeing a clip of fake boobs bounce is crap. Can't believe people post "great stuff" on such rubbish.

- The exactly same position, location and rack in every clip. True It's nice to have a studio that is well lit, soundproof, and has sturdy bondage equipment. But seriously, I'm tired of seeing the exactly same rooms with the exact same racks. Plus it prevents you from changing your script, or having any script.

- Fantasy - or rather the lack of. Just look at the drawings section. People yearn for kinky scenarios. Most of today's clips are anything but. Obviously I wouldn't want all the clips to have a story. But there's almost none today. There's something nice about having some story element, which makes me appreciate really old 80s stuff, even though its poorly lit, cheaply produced, and the tickling fake.

Even with subpar tickling, a good fantasy scenario can improve the clip, because it helps me imagine stuff.

This doesn't have to involve lots of locations and intricate script. You had people like tkltkltkl (what ever his name was) doing clips featuring a closeup of feet, with all the story and taunt by voice over. It probably cost nothing to make, but the taunting itself made it better than "Ashley is bound in our studio naked" clips who were all boring to watch, even though they feature boobs.

Speaking of fantasy - would you stop it with the secretaries getting punished? It is overused and if you're going to use a fantasy, this is probably the least inspiring or titillating one.